Hello! I've been sesrcging for god examples of ENFP si-grip in fictional chars. Do you think Ten's sulking in S3 was a grip?
He may have been sulking, but he was still making friends, going places, doing things, saving people, and introducing himself to new concepts, so... kinda?
Si-grip is an over-focus on the past and dwelling on it, magnifying its problems and your mistakes and assuming that if you can just “fix” the past, your present will be all right instead of the hellhole you assume it to be. NPs tend to be idealistic, driven, and always facing forward -- but Si-grip wants to pull them back into things that are long dead, that other types have dealt with and moved on, but that the NP refused to deal with at the time. So how they attempt to deal with it is infantile and weak -- a childish notion about fixing the past, dwelling on it, and moping about it, rather than looking for opportunities in the present.
An example would be an ENP who is wallowing in the misery of a long-dead relationship and still trying to think of what they SHOULD have done or how to fix it, instead of looking around them for ways to connect to someone new and make a fresh start. An example would be an ENP who used to be creative, idealistic, driven, and excited about sharing ideas who now has a negative, pessimistic attitude and has given up trying because “it never works” -- uh, it did not work once or twice, which means translating it to “nobody wants me and never will want me” is a hyper-exaggeration. But ENPs are prone to extremes.
When healthy, they are the sweet cats. They like time to themselves, doing who knows what, they get upset if you don't let them in/out when they want, and they always come home at the end of the day. They don't pretend they're not emotionally invested, they sit on your lap and purr. They're curious and playful - kind of like small children.
They're deep and thoughtful, and will sometimes just stare out the window.
They don't like dogs 😋 They like pointless hunting. They're scared of change and visitors, and get upset if you spend too long with other cats. They meow at you until you feed them or give them what they want. They're very particular. Also stirrers who will sit on your kitchen bench while staring at you. They like to pretend they're lions. They like annoying forms of affection, like headbutting you and sitting on your face or licking you. You know they love you when they fall asleep on you and come home after a long day out - when they run to the front door when you pull in the drive way.
These cats are super easy to love and are low maintenance, but they can also be easily thrown off by stress. Which brings us further along in our analogy:
Entps in a Ne-Fe loop are kind of like feral cats 🙀
They hate everyone and believe everyone hates them. They are out to fend for themselves, and will be as nice as they have to be for food. If you try to pat them they will hurt you. They would rather sleep in the rain than in your cosy house. Usually, stray cats are put down, but you can't do that to humans, so I guess you'll just have to slowly tame them with food and small gestures of affection...?
Entps in a Si grip are like a stressed cat 🙀
(aka stereotypical cat. Possibly also stereotypical entp).
They refuse to use their litter box and urinate everywhere. They destroy everything they come across. They pick one spot to defecate in that isn't their litter box and keep going there, no matter what you do. They just won't use their litter box, because that ONE TIME something bad happened there. They groom themselves obsessively and refuse to eat unless IT'S JUST RIGHT. They jump on the kitchen bench and eat house plants and wires.
They are withdrawn and will hide behind furniture to avoid you. They don't care if you come or go, and look like they hate you (but they're actually extremely scared and insecure).
I guess the solution is the same as for a stressed cat: give them space, some new toys, good food, move the litterbox, and hope for the best.
"Stop telling me to be realistic! Leave me alone with my book, my imagination, and my heart. Being realistic is making me depressed! See the streets out there, you guys can have all of that and be realistic there. Leave me alone with my imagination."
—ENFP cousin ranting on Snapchat, probably was on an Si grip ...
Hello I’m 29 years old ENFP, I’m feel my Te just Burst out like I can handle task with efficiency, but also i have problem with looping, when looping I feels like I was judge everything and my thoughts to be wild like shows “ah he’s trying gonna to hurt me so i need keep guard” even sometimes locked myself to not being hurt (Ne I think?), also I impulsive to get things done according my thoughts cause often jump to conclusion without think twice about it and take Decisions so excessive. How to get handle this looping and sorry my English is broken because I’m not native English speaker, thank you
Generally speaking, struggling with tertiary loop and/or inferior grip indicates that the dominant function is unhealthy and the auxiliary function is underdeveloped. The remedy to this is to develop the functions properly, in the correct order of the functional stack. For example...
Starting with Ne: If you had more faith in your own creative powers, then you wouldn't take problems so seriously, because you'd be confident of being able to adapt and work around them. Life doesn't seem as hard and the past doesn't weigh you down as much when you can always maintain an optimistic and hopeful outlook.
Similarly with Fi: If you could be genuinely accepting, especially of the reality of yourself, then you wouldn't be so preoccupied with having to protect/prove anything, would you? Without the strong urge to protect/prove, would your decisions still be so "excessive"?
These concepts have already been covered in the study guides and previous ENFP related posts, I suggest you read through them to get more detail about function development.
Anon wrote: Just realized I've been following your blog for 8 years, so first of all thank you for everything that you have taught me. I sincerely appreciate your work here. I'm an ENFP (26), I moved countries 2 months ago and had a brief 3 month romance with another ENFP (29) before moving. We both have adhd, maybe useful to know. We’ve stayed friends, but we obviously can’t hang out and he’s not a frequent texter, so I find that I’m missing him a lot.
I have many close friendships and am good at building connections, but this one meant more to me somehow. He has certain qualities I adore, I’ve never connected with anyone else who expresses them quite the same way. He’s very spontaneous and creative in a way that you never know what he’s going to say. He also matches my curiosity and enthusiasm about literally everything, and to see my own expression/feelings mirrored by him was very special to me.
I am missing these qualities, and while I recognize them in myself too, it was in sharing them that I felt great joy. I also felt safe with him in a way I haven’t in any past romantic relationships. I suffered emotional and narcissistic abuse in childhood from my parents, so I’ve done a lot of healing work to get to a place where I notice when I feel safe and am attracted to people who make me feel safe, and this is the first time where that worked out for me.
As a person he felt totally unique, and I guess I’m just keenly aware of how special and irreplaceable our connection is, even though I’m confident I will find romantic love again eventually. I keep doing and seeing things that I wish I could have shared with him. Do you have advice for dealing with missing someone like this? Is this regular heartbreak, and time will do its healing? Are there healthy/unhealthy ways to miss someone and how can I tell the difference? Thank you <3
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You've been following for 8 years?? Not gonna lie, feeling a bit old at the moment, lol...
I was deeply touched just reading your description of the relationship, so I can only imagine how special it was to you. I think it's the perfect example of the advantages a same-type relationship can offer.
When does missing become "unhealthy"? I try to be careful using that word because I don't believe in pathologizing negative but normal feelings and emotions. It's not unreasonable or irrational to miss a relationship that enriched you and your life. You're feeling a deep sense of loss because you've actually suffered a loss.
Grief is the main emotional reaction to loss. Like every strong emotion, grief needs time to play itself out. The grieving process should be respected because, without it, it's hard to move forward. There are many different ways to express grief. Some people talk it out, some cry it out, some act out, some withdraw, some bury themselves in work, etc.
There isn't really a "wrong" way to grieve per se, but grief can become unhealthy in some cases, if: 1) emotions don't lessen in intensity after a long period of time, AND 2) it starts to interfere with normal activities to the point where it prevents you from living life as fully as you'd like to. Generally speaking, "harmfulness" is one of the main criteria psychologists use for determining whether an issue is serious enough to be classified as "unhealthy".
I think your situation is complicated because there are multiple things going on. You're not just grieving the loss of an important relationship, which is a difficult process in itself, you've also recently made a big move in life. No matter how healthy and adaptable an ENFP is, in practical terms, it still takes time and effort to adjust to a new environment. Being in a new place is exciting but it can also be disorienting, which means you can easily feel unmoored.
Existential instability often prompts Si types to lean on Si for comfort, to seek out the warmth of the known and familiar. While this is a natural process for grounding oneself, when Si is the inferior function, there is always a danger of inadvertently spiraling into Si grip. Si grip is unhealthy because it means Ne has shut down. It keeps you stuck in the past, unable to live life well.
You don't know what the future will bring, so it's pointless to speculate about whether you will or won't find another comparable relationship. Making unfair comparisons to the past is a slippery slope into Si grip. It leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy: you expect that things won't live up to the past, so you don't invest properly in the present, and then... nothing ever lives up to the past.
If you hope to keep having great relationships throughout life, it is of the utmost importance that you remain capable of treating people fairly. Nobody likes to live under the shadow of a mythological past, so don't force that upon others. You have to be able to approach a new relationship as a fresh start so that it has a fair shot of developing to its fullest potential.
In other words, you need to be careful about being in a headspace where the past starts to seem more appealing to you than the present and the future. Until that point, it's likely that your negative feelings and emotions are normal and you just need to work on accepting them (through Fi development). Grant yourself patience and compassion to grieve and say goodbye to the past.
Although he may still be in your life, the relationship needs to move into a new reality, which means you must adjust your mindset accordingly. Turning the page to a new chapter of life doesn't mean you lose your memories of the previous chapter. Allowing yourself time and space for a proper goodbye is actually a way of cherishing memories and recognizing just how important they were to your growth. And as grief fades with time, you can then move on to the next stage of growth with an open mind and an open heart.
Anon wrote: Hello mbti-notes, 28F ENFP here. I have written to you a few times, one of them about my relationship with my 27M INTJ boyfriend and the other about my childhood trauma regarding my ENTJ mother and how it was keeping me from pursuing my art career.
I have been on the road of Fi development and lately I have started to develop Te. Some major life events happened since the last time I wrote to you; I had gotten diagnosed with ADHD after suspecting having it for years; then, my younger cousins got diagnosed with level one autism (Formerly known as Aspergers), and after my mother conversed with their mothers, we reached the conclusion I and other members of the family are also autistic and ADHD, since I displayed symptoms of both as a child.
With this new knowledge, I have been making all the changes necessary to accommodate myself and do the best I can and pull my own weight. I am almost finishing University, and my boyfriend (he’s pretty much my husband at this point) started his doctorate and is now an art teacher at our local arts University. (those issues I had written to you prior were resolved and we have been very happy together and supportive of each other since).
I have been slowly tearing down my perfectionistic tendencies; I am no longer unhappy about my work or extremely self-critic to the point I put myself down. I have gained confidence and trust in myself and handling problems, crafting solutions, planning (even if short-term) and improvising. I have been re-enganging my Ne in a healthy manner, focusing on my projects and progress instead of being scattered and wanting to do everything and anything.
Despite that, and all the growth I have done already, I feel that I have an unsurnamable mountain of obstacles to pass through. Over the last year, I have realized just how little my ISTP, probably autistic and bipolar father and ENTJ, probably ADHD mother completely failed to prepare me for life. I was emotionally neglected, made a scapegoat for their problems, made to pick up after myself because of my autism and ADHD being seen as failures of character instead of disabilities.
They saw I was intelligent, and rationalized it as “not needing help”; then, when my problems with executive disfunction and organization started flaring up due to their neglect, they yelled and blamed it on me, worsening the situation. I grew up with no understanding of boundaries; I wasn’t allowed to advocate for myself and everytime I tried I was yelled at; I wasn’t allowed to discover myself and my identity properly so I clinged to my special interests like a moth to a flame; I was shamed for my way of functioning and that impeded me of developing proper knowledge of myself and what I needed.
I now notice my social differences, my trouble dealing with and regulating emotions (and why I put off dealing with them), and my lack of social skills and differentiating levels of relationships. I feel angry that the time I needed to be using to deal with these issues, during adolescence and early adulthood, was taken away by autistic burnout, depression, and dealing with a disfunctional family who had no idea how to care for me and never tried to, and spent pursuing bad relationships, hyperfixations and changing interests, all the while not being able to put effort into what I really wanted because of the shame and judgement they placed on me.
I have been trying my best to pick up the slack, but it’s hard. I can see now how I was unjustly punished for my differences my whole life. I finally understand now why people get upset with me with things like being unable to regulate tone or asking clarifying questions (when I’m just trying to understand them).
I have accepted myself; I know my difficultities now and I know what I have to do to regulate myself, but I still can’t stop feeling angry at this injustice. I do my best to be proactive and helpful in the communities I join and make friends, but people will turn on me the moment I do something impulsive like vent to chat about my parents doing something rude to me that day (which happens regularly). The bridges I put effort into building get destroyed in minutes, and I feel like all my progress is undone.
Family is a tricky issue for people, I get it. There are different times and places to say things, I get it. But It still happens. I know the way to fix it would be to leave, but due to the housing crisis, inflation and my expenses of trying to finish my degree, I can’t move out of this place and still currently live with them. Rent is unnafordable, my boyfriend is going through his degree and busy, and I’m already at capacity fully comitting myself to art and doing the best job I can with chores and house stuff.
I know my parents have issues and I try my best do understand and be empathethic, but they aren't doing anything to get better or to resolve them. My dad is on disability and unemployment aid right now, he does minimal chores and watches TV and sleeps all day. My mother is a pre-school teacher and constantly overworks herself because that's how she learned to get through life.
A few months ago, my mom almost ended her marriage because in her words, she developed a "platonic crush" for another man. It was a huge fight, and one they tried to drag me into. When they're not having outright fights, they act lovey-dovey; but they soon have another nasty fight, and the cycle goes on.
My dad is extremely misoginistic, judgemental, and cynical. Everytime he tries to engage me in conversation, I act uniteresting so he leaves me alone. I am uncapable of building a relationship with them after all they did to me.
I just can’t stop feeling I got dealt a sh*tty hand in life and there is nothing I can do about it. I realize this is Si grip talking, but this enviroment completely kills all my optimist, motivation and will to move foward in life, and I’ve been doing this dance for way too long and just want it to end once and for all so I can keep progressing. I know I’ve already come a long way, but I can’t stop feeling it still isn’t enough, and I’m afraid that feeling won’t ever go away. So I turn to you for guidance on what to do.
Currently I am sitting on a few unfinished projects (a comic and animation) that will be my portfolio só I can start working while I finish my degree. My parents are paying for the remainder of it (honestly, the least they could do after the horrible lifetime they gave me) but I plan to start paying for it myself as soon as I get some work. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I'm doing everything to try and make things better, but I feel like they never will, and I don't know how to deal with that.
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Whenever people tell me about how they're making progress, even trying to develop lower functions, but also suffering from inferior grip, the alarm bells go off in my head, because it usually indicates some form of troublesome denial. In terms of type development, inferior grip is one of the most serious signs that something is not right psychologically.
I never want to poopoo on people's efforts to improve. I definitely believe that you've been putting forth your best efforts. However, if the outcome is inferior grip, it means there's a problem with your approach or method.
The way that you're stuck in blaming your parents for your misfortunes is not just a sign of Si grip, but also Te loop. If you're suffering from Te loop, it means Fi development hasn't progressed to the point where you are ready for Te development. Being a lower function, trying to develop Te when you're not ready is only going to exacerbate Te loop and eventually lead you into Si grip.
I won't deny that the people around you every day have a big influence over you. As a Feeler, their moods can easily affect yours. When that happens, the best thing to do is to draw up boundaries, to try to shield yourself from those negative influences as much as possible. However, what you've done is the opposite.
You've been drawn into the negative influence through blaming them, fighting back (mentally), judging them for their flaws, indulging pointless "what if" scenarios about your past, etc. In short, you have been swallowed up by the negativity partly because you didn't do enough to protect yourself from it. This is related to Fi development because Fi should inform you about what is needed for self-protection.
Now, since you find yourself in a hopeless place and can't accept the feelings of helplessness, the recourse is Te loop. You wish to actively "correct" everything that you perceive is "wrong". However, this is a futile endeavor. Why? Because those things are not for you to correct. You have overstepped/violated boundaries by wanting to solve problems that aren't your responsibility. This only serves to entangle you in them.
Your mom and dad's flaws, your mom and dad's relationship, are none of your business, but you are all up in there. Even if they try to involve you, as an adult, you have the power to refuse. Because you care about them, it's hard for you to refuse, but refuse you must. That's what it means to draw healthy boundaries.
Yes, it's tragic to have been deprived as a child. One thing you realize more and more deeply as you get older (especially if you have children of your own) is that parents are human, their knowledge is limited, and people can only do the best they can based on what they know. Many, many people are ignorant about psychological issues because they have had no opportunity to learn about them. What's worse, sometimes what they have learned is misinformation or outdated information based on what was being taught when they were growing up.
I say this not to excuse the bad things that parents do, but to foster empathy for the fact that people can't do better when they don't know better. You are the same. You didn't think to change your behavior or didn't know how to do it in the right way until you learned about ADHD. You live, you learn.
Empathy for others starts with empathy for oneself. Instead of pitying yourself or being angry about your past, healthy Fi should prompt you to express empathy for your struggles today. There aren't enough signs that you possess this depth of empathy, which indicates Fi development has a long way to go yet. It's hard to feel empathy when you're in the thick of negativity, but that's the time when it's most important to practice it.
An important part of having empathy for yourself, aka self-compassion, is allowing yourself to move at a realistic pace in life, a pace that takes your challenges into fair consideration, rather than always trying to live up to unreasonable ideals. Feeling "not good enough" and being afraid of that feeling never going away is directly related to Fi development and lack of self-acceptance. You must accept the truth of yourself and the facts of your situation before you can move forward in a meaningful way.
Also, if you find yourself speaking inappropriately or not giving enough consideration to social context when your feelings get too big, it means you haven't done enough to set up a good social support system and create more appropriate opportunities to explore your personal issues. Expecting parents or colleagues to give you support that they are not capable of giving is basically wasting energy barking up the wrong tree. In other words, don't look for love in all the wrong places. This is related to Fi development in terms of doing what it takes to care well for your well-being.
You are well into adulthood. At some point, it has to be fully your responsibility to craft the life you want. By continuing to blame your parents for not living up to your ideals, you are the one keeping yourself tied to past unhappiness, rather than moving forward. It is a choice you make.
I always say that forgiveness isn't about other people. Forgiveness is something you do for yourself. It's not good for you to live in a state of resentment, anger, or hate. It's not good to keep revisiting and rehashing such emotions on an endless loop. Therefore, you have to learn to forgive the mistakes of the past so that you can have the emotional stability necessary to focus on improving your life today and into the future.
Forgiving your parents for being the imperfect human beings that they are is difficult but necessary, not for their sake, but for yours. You can set yourself free from the past at any time through learning how to be more accepting, empathetic, and forgiving, which is very much tied to Fi development. This would be a healthy way of lifting yourself out of Si grip and mending your mental health.
Hi. I’m an ENFP who broke up with her best friend. It’s been three years. I still can’t stop thinking about her. Everything is a trigger – the movies we shared, the music we liked, etc. We agreed to separate, we are amicable in our occasional encounters, I don’t *think* I want her back (nothing has changed), but I feel like I am in mourning for something lost that never lived up to its potential, and I can’t figure out how to move forward. Do you have any advice?
The decision to end a relationship is never easy. You are bound to have mixed feelings before and after the decision is made. I'm sure she was not an evil mustache twirling villain. She had some good qualities and you shared some good times together, though, in the end, the bad overtook the good and the relationship had to end. Ending the relationship doesn't magically make the good things disappear or erase the potentialities you envisioned, so it's not a crime to miss them, feel regret for losing them, or feel guilt for abandoning them. Dealing with the past is a common topic here, I suggest you read through previous posts.
That being said, since you are ENFP, it raises the question of whether this rumination on the past is a symptom of Si grip. ENFPs fixate on the past when they are unhappy in the present and not feeling particularly hopeful about the future. They start to delude themselves into thinking that fixing the past is the answer. The past can't be changed, and even if it can, changing it isn't going to get you the future you want. It is the decisions you make at present that determine your future. If you are suffering from Si grip, you're allowing your past to influence your judgment instead of using Ne to build a happier life for yourself today. Activate Ne to look forward instead of backward (consult the Type Dev Guide).
Hi mbti, i am an ENFP. I seem to have no problems with close friends and my wife but i have problems with more "surface" relationships and i cannot seem to "fake it" as well as the rest. What is wrong with me? I think this issue stems from teenage trauma where i was backstabbed by a very fake narcissist. He was very two faced and spreaded lies about me to the masses and tried to steal my girlfriend. I placed a lot of trust in the wrong person and got betrayed. The problem is that it became a
[con't: mental block. This is so stupid, i want to be able to be myself and be a better conversationalist to people, not just close friends or wife! Ps - another thing that makes me annoyed that i cannot fake it is this: i was talking to many friends and they mentioned wealthy high income earners who are working jobs they hate but still succeeded. I dunno if this is mbti related but this is sooo annoying! I am a high income earner myself but it is due to passion in my field and dedication. It is an inseparable part of my identity. IF i was ever in a profession i hated, it would show immediately and i would get kicked out. Which didnt happen.]
There are two issues to address:
1) Ego Development Problems: When people are at low levels of ego development, they do not see the world objectively. They are only able to see the world through the distorted lens of their unresolved ego dramas/traumas of the past. This woeful lack of objectivity should be of particular concern for NFPs because of the primacy they give to their past experiences when formulating their worldview. Having a distorted worldview enables faulty beliefs and poor decision-making.
For instance, your negative relationship experience of the past has led you to see new people as a potential threat to be defended against. You aren't able to show who you really are or see people for who they really are, so on what basis can you develop a healthy and satisfying relationship with them? Your past pain has hijacked your mind because, when you believe your "feelings" are an accurate representation of reality, you have no reason to question them, let alone act against them. You dutifully obey their every command to hide, evade, or run.
Worse yet, instead of doing the work of resolving and letting go of your past, the strategy you believe you should resort to is "faking it", which leads you even further away from your purported goal of having good relationships with people (a symptom of Te loop). When you wear a mask, nobody can see who you really are, which shields you from the pain of being hurt, but it also blocks you from forming meaningful connections - it is an unhealthy defense mechanism. You have made the choice, again and again, to forsake connection because you give first priority to your past pain during the decision-making process (a symptom of Si grip).
You have put the mental block in place and it is up to you to remove it by facing up to your pain and putting it in the right perspective. You call the block "stupid", as though you're smart/aware enough to know what's up, but it is just an empty performance as long as you keep choosing to let past pain run your present life. I have already written a lot about getting closure on the past, see the tags page.
2) Function Development Problems: Immature/unhealthy FPs generally suffer from self-esteem issues due to Fi development problems. Instead of facing up to those issues, it's easier for them to deflect and shift the focus onto others. It's quite common for FPs to blame/envy/resent others for the things they can't get a good grip on in themselves - their judgmentalness is a clear window into their soul. This is how FPs contribute to their stereotype of being moralizing and self-righteous.
Because you struggle with this issue of "faking it" and project it out into the world, all you see around you is how others fake it, without acknowledging how presumptuous and insulting it is to judge people like that. Are you claiming to understand people's inner thought processes when they make big decisions, or are your judgments entirely tainted by your own struggles with "authenticity"?
For instance, have you considered the fact that many people do not have the socioeconomic means to make their job "an inseparable part of their identity"? Have you considered the fact that different people approach life differently and some do not need/want to make their job a part of their identity because it would be unhealthy for them to do so? Failure to consider multiple possibilities reflects poorly on your Ne development.
You seem to equivocate about whether "faking it" is good or bad, but it's apparent you consider it bad. You chose the word "fake" which has obviously negative connotations, and you try to place yourself on moral high ground by claiming you are incapable of "fakeness". By concocting this moral hierarchy between yourself and others, you actively destroy the empathy you need for encouraging deeper mutual understanding, thus sabotaging your purported goal of having good relationships with people.
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In short, ego development and function development issues have come together to form the bigger problem of you not having the courage to be yourself, which leads you to have an unhealthy fixation on anyone who can't be themselves as you define it. This is a great example of having a distorted worldview.
One of the main purposes of learning about different personality types is to understand, accept, and honor individual differences. Instead of treating new people as individuals, with the trust, openness, and understanding they deserve at the start of a relationship, you allow your negative feelings and distorted judgments to take over and corrupt the socializing process.
Healthy Fi:
You fully accept yourself.
You admit your limitations and weaknesses.
You are sincere and authentic.
You trust your feelings to guide you well.
You have good moral judgment.
You always make an effort to better understand and appreciate what makes people unique and different.
You actively make space for everyone to express themselves authentically.
You take people's behavior in stride because you set and enforce appropriate emotional boundaries.
You need not depend on others for validation because you understand that self-worth comes from within.
Unhealthy Fi:
You frequently struggle with shame or self-reproach.
You fear having your limitations and weaknesses exposed.
You try to avoid/deny/circumvent the truth about yourself.
You are driven by unresolved negative feelings and emotions.
You have questionable/problematic moral judgment.
You can't understand those who are different from you and cast them in a negative light as necessary to soothe your ego.
You are afraid to be yourself (and feel jealous when others are braver than you).
You take people's behavior too personally whenever it triggers your low self-esteem.
You are deeply afraid of being invalidated and feeling like a nothing or nobody.
For ENFPs, socializing successfully requires developing mature Ne and healthy Fi, as per the Type Dev Guide. It seems like you have lots of work to do.
