#tbmc programming

[unwelcome-ozian]

[granulesofsand]

Respectability Politics in CDDs

🗝️🏷️ OEA flavored syscourse

I know that fawning is a survival mode, but survival modes have never been an excuse to cause harm. By trying to appease and fit into a social group that doesn’t want us, we are intentionally discarding our most vulnerable peers.

If you’ve been around long enough, you’ll have seen some of these themes thrown around in every wider community a subgroup belongs to:

In medicine, psychology is often considered a soft science. Practitioners don’t have to believe in any of the theories or evidence to do their jobs, so they discount the whole field as less than or a pseudoscience

In psychology, trauma care is often considered a specialty. Clinicians can find clients without building safe relationships for disclosure, so they don’t know about and don’t treat trauma. People with trauma disorders are passed off as too complex or volatile for most support people

In trauma care, dissociation is a niche that clinicians don’t need to know about. Many people, caregivers and patients alike, don’t believe in repressed (dissociated) memories.

If a caregiver is informed about dissociation, that doesn’t guarantee they know about DID. They can find clients without validating or believing in any CDD, and can be downright venomous towards clients with those disorders (or CD structures in general)

In CDD treatment, OEA is an often considered conspiracy theory. Regardless of the actual story, clinicians will pass by OEA survivors as too much, or simply delusional.

In OEA circles, not everyone believes in mind control. They treat it as a buzz word, denying its possibility while describing it in practice with slightly different words. Even OEA circles might not believe in dissociation or CDSs, let alone programmed CDDs

In programming survivor circles, any survivor whose group wore cloaks, used candles, had fancy machines, or called themselves a secret society or government (by name or not) is discounted in an attempt to gain wider recognition

We all throw each other under the bus in an attempt to board ourselves, and that bus does not want us as passengers. It’s almost always a means of looking more believable to the people who don’t care to believe us, to present ourselves as respectable so one part of our collective narrative can be heard.

And it doesn’t work. If you can gain recognition by climbing a pile of bait, you can only hope nobody else tries to climb up you. Sometimes the group you are trying to squeeze into notices on their own that you look a little too different from them, or a little too similar to the people you stand on.

If we can get a piece of our community recognized by research we can replicate and arguments we can reuse, that’s a good thing. But if you were lucky enough to be included in that piece, turning your back on the people who were you is nothing short of hypocrisy and betrayal.

The rest of us don’t go away because you got lucky. And it is luck; as much as I love a good essay, what we need to get the rest of us to that level is evidence. Evidence that requires brain scans and chemical linkage, because we aren’t believed when we testify ourselves. Do you see how this a resource problem? Do you see how it isn’t?

People with degrees are qualified to record our experiences because they have access to education, the academic formats and vocabulary, the multifocal background. If you aren’t using those same tools, you have no reason to require them of others. This is why community isn’t reliant on academia, and why the cultural group is different than the medicalized group. We were the same, and then we weren’t. Subgroups exist because you left us behind.

[hc-did-culture-is]

Questioning HC-DID system here.

Is it possible for someone who's already a victim of programming/ramcoa to experience more programming from other alters? i.e abuser introjects or malicitors "continuing the job". We have several more powerful alters that forcibly create others, and i was not sure if this was possible/common

Also, how do you figure out what each programs triggers are? we have several alters that closely fit the programming type(?), but the only 'trigger' I'm aware of so far is whenever we're asked to give our own personal opinions on anything spiritual related

Thank you!

- 🧠 hemlock

yes, it's pretty common to have alters split off and instructed to reinforce/control programming.

we personally use two terms: internal handlers and internal programmers. Internal Handlers may be put in charge of managing other programmed alters, or activating/deactivating certain programs. Internal Programmers have more power (in our experience) and are responsible for keeping programs running. They may hand out punishments and rewards, or instruct others to do so. They may be able to activate split programs, and add/edit/remove programs from alters.

Alters cannot create or destroy programs that impact the body or create entirely new programs. They also can't can't destroy programs without deprogramming, regardless of role.

As for identifying triggers, we're not entirely sure. The way we do it is... Extremely Hard to explain, and not something we've seen anywhere else so I doubt it would help even if we could explain it.

Maybe someone will respond to this with a better answer?

[wishiwasfiction]

Hey uh... what does fractaline mean because I've looked it up everywhere and can't actually find a definition...

tw programming, ramcoa, tbmc, forced splitting

(explanation under the cut)

Fractaline is a type of programming (tbmc) that causes the system to 'split endlessly'.

Basically the brain processes every new situation and/or environment as traumatic, and therefore splits off an alter (or multiple alters) in every new environment/situation.

[unwelcome-ozian]

Can you explain DID hierarchies in programmed systems and examples of rules different alters have to follow? And can you explain back up programming or do you know of a credible source online with information? Thank you

Depending on the system there can be various forms of hierarchies. Some system hierarchies are: Spiritual Hierarchies Classification Of Demons Hierarchy Of Angels Command Hierarchy (Military) Social Class Script

There are base programmes such as; no talking, callback, and access programmes. Alters would have different rules depending on their role within the system. For example a system protector would have different rules than a gatekeeper.

Backup Programming-If a base program begins to fail a backup program will begin to run. The backup program will be the same program but with different codes. There are usually two backup programs for each base program. (Base Program)

There are various types of backup programming depending on the type of programming involved.

Oz

[unwelcome-ozian]

What are the types of beta programming? I know there's princess & prince. But is there anything else that falls under this category?

There are several types of programmes that are under Beta programming. Here are a couple:

Type 2 Doll Programming-The alter can assume the ‘role’ of the doll. The programmer will place the doll in positions and have the alter ‘abuse’ the doll. The alter is trained to assume the same positions so they can be abused. (Beta Programming) Animal Programming-Alters are programmed to behave as if they are a specified animal. They will behave in a manner that will reveal their programming. Depending on the animal they can be aggressive, sexual, hunters, etc. (Epsilon programming, Beta programming)

I encourage you to click the ‘Beta’ tag for more information.

Oz

[hc-did-culture-is]

Hey I’m sorry if you’ve already answered this but could you explain what programming is and what hc- did is in a simplified way please? /nf /genq

Programming doesn't have a concrete definition that we can find, but here's our personal definition. (reminder: we are neither an expert nor a professional, this is based on personal experience and research)

A program is an intentionally trained behaviour, emotion, belief, or response that is primarily based on, implanted by, or functions via dissociative states caused by trauma/torture.

HC-DID (short for highly complex dissociative identity disorder) is a community term that refers to systems that were created via programming.

Being programmed causes complexities/struggles that non-programmed systems don't have to deal with, so we made a label for it.

Hope this is simplified enough /genuine

[unwelcome-ozian]

What are some anti-therapy programs that survivors should be on the lookout for and how to deal with them if they’re triggered? And do you have any recommendations for good therapists who are educated on RA/MC and offer secular therapy?

Also, what are your thoughts on hypnosis as a memory recovery tool? I’ve heard it can distort memories or create false ones. Would it be better for survivors to avoid therapists who use this method or can it be done safely?

Some of the programs that could impact therapy are:

Silence-Shut Down Programs-When enacted, such programs will cause the subject to "stop talking" and to cease revealing information. Though such programs may be triggered through awide variety of modalities, enactment via self-touch triggers are particularly common. Some shutdown programs will be directed toward specific alters, while others are meant for the system in general. Silence Programming- no talk programming.

Burning Programs-Burning programs are linked to Silence programs, and self punishment programs. Common modes of burning include: cigarettes, lighters, hot metal implements (i.e., knives, rods, wands), and/or a variety of scalding (or flammable) liquids and caustic chemicals.

Don’t Talk; Don’t Tell Programming- Triggers flooding, body memories, spinning programs if the subject attempts to talk about programming.

Nightmare-Night Terror Programs- Similar to flooding programs, subjects are conditioned to become overwhelmed with terrifying images/memories while asleep. They serve to keep the subject run-down and fatigued. Often, nightmare programs are triggered or tripped automatically when processing forbidden material in therapy.

Reporting Programs-Subjects are programmed to routinely contact and report back to their handler. These programs may be time-triggered (every month, full moon, etc.), date-triggered(i.e., corresponding to cult "holidays", etc.), or situational triggered (i.e., host personality enters therapy, reveals cult "secrets," etc.). Such programs keep the handler updated on the subject’s daily life.

Spin Programming-Designed to spread effects such as pain, painful emotions, and other feelings or urges globally throughout a subject’s personality system for purposes of either designing and building a young subject's personality system, or harassing older subjects and disrupting psychotherapy.

Therapy Interference Programs-Programs designed to interfere with the therapeutic process which trigger the subject to: (1) not see, (2) not think for self, (3) stay distracted, and (4) become resistant, mistrustful, and/or obnoxious toward the therapist.

Abreaction programming- Gives the subject topics to talk about in therapy or with other outside individuals who may be attempting to assist the subject.

The survivor may not know the programming is triggered during therapy. Often people leave therapy due to the programming feeling overwhelming and attributing it to therapy being ‘too much.’

I suggest working with a therapist to identify when a program has been triggered. This could be by identifying the symptoms of the program (cement mouth, feeling dizzy, flooding).

Focusing on safety. How to cope with the program. Ways to communicate. How to stay engaged in healing.

Some resources are:

Freedom of Mind

Treatment Centres for MPD/DID

Directory Of Cult Recovery Resources

I think hypnosis isn’t a good tool to use for those who live with dissociation.

Oz