#thomas grayson

[cellularfish]

A reminder that DC canonically made Dick and Barbara's son took up the Red Hood mantle. I mean, the hell happened? Did Dick died and Jason became the dad that stepped up? Was Jason the favorite uncle? Why didn't he picked another hero's mantle? Why specifically Red Hood? So many questions.

Until DC confirmed it, I'm just going to assume Dick was a single father (because the kid went by Grayson) with Jason who moonlighted as housekeeper/caretaker/freeloader/cool uncle.

[variant-nightwing16]

[ligajusticajovem]

Quem é sua mãe Thomas?

Thomas: Sempre me perguntam isso, e eu acho que é porque eu não sou ruivo como ela. Talvez eu devesse pintar meu cabelo, pras pessoas notarem mais nossa semelhança. Mas, respondendo a sua pergunta, minha mãe chama-se Barbara Gordon.

[farewell-sanity]

Dick (proudly): OUR SON SAID HIS FIRST WORD!

Barbara: REALLY? What did he said?

Dick: HE SAID GLEEBA!

Barbara: What?

Dick: GLEEBA!

Barbara: Honey... I'm sorry but it is not a word.

Dick: No, gleeba is a word!

Barbara: Okay use it in a sentence

Dick: Thomas (their future child) just said gleeba.

Barbara: ...

[hood-ex]

I also hate when people are glad Dick's relationship end so he could go back to Kory or Babs. But I think we have to admit, even his relations with Babs and Kory ended before wedding. Raven being possessed at Dick's and Kory's wedding, Babs and Dick ending their engagement or her giving him back the ring... Poor guy is not allowed to have good life with a woman. I wonder who is the lucky girl who get to be Ellaina Grayson's mother in Batman Beyond!

You know what kid I still think about a lot? The Thomas Grayson who went by Red Hood. He had Dick’s last name but he took on Jason’s helmet and mantle. His armor also kinda looks like Deathstroke’s. Like? Hello? Dick’s (possible) kid taking on the Red Hood mantle? I need to know moreee. 

[redemptivexheroics]

“Look I’m not gonna pretend to be an expert on demons, I’m just a dhampir who’s sole reason of existing is protecting people I care about and even those that I don’t know, I’m not like my brother I wasn’t raised in the life of a hunter. I do what I do because it’s the right thing to do” 

[wellthatjusthappend]

In your divorce au, what's jason and dick's son's name? also can we see a bit more interaction with the kid? also also could we have insecure jason being reminded of dick all over the place? sorta missing him but also being mad at him? Sorry I know that's a lot packed into one request... feel free to just answer the name part.

No worries! I like questions :) 

Their son is Thomas Grayson (Tommy for sort). I know that in canon he’s supposed to be Dick/Kori’s kid, but since he grows up to be the next Red Hood... potential and all, you know? For some reason I’ve found I have a thing about making brand new fan-babies. It’s fun, but it’s always a little distracting for me. 

But enough of that, on to the story!

It was weird as hell living in the manor again. 

Alfred had moved him into a suite in the guest wing that had an attached room for his son to sleep in. Jason would rather he had his own apartment in the city, but his funds had dwindled from years of not working and he didn’t think he could support them. He was less than thrilled about having to share a roof with Bruce again, even if their relationship had improved slightly since Tommy was born. Didn’t mean that he wasn’t a little pissed when Bruce started taking over and detailing out every aspect of his life after he moved out of he and Dick’s old place. 

It felt like he’d moved out of one controlling Alpha’s house to another’s. 

Still, Jason did his best not to pick fights with the man. He wasn’t dumb; he knew Bruce was one of the few reason’s he was hanging on to custody of his son.  

“Going to the zoo!” Tommy bounded in, “Hurry papá! Going to the zoo!”

“Tomorrow,” Jason ephized, helping getting shoes on his son’s feet, “We’re going to the zoo tomorrow.” 

“But you said one more sleep!” insisted Tommy, wiggling unhelpfully.

Ah, Jason realized his mistake. But...

“Did you sleep at nap time?”

“Yes!”

“Really? So if I go ask Alfred…”

“No!” 

“Hmm,” Jason grinned as he set the little boy on his feet, “early bedtime tonight?”

“Zoo tomorrow!” Tommy said flushing. 

“Zoo tomorrow,” Jason agreed. 

“Will daddy be there?” Tommy asked, and Jason felt like the bottom had dropped out of his stomach.

“No.”

“But daddy’s going to show me the elephants,” Tommy said blinking up at him without comprehension, “he promised.”

Jason wondered how long ago that was. 

“We’ll still go find the elephants,” Jason promised, “Maybe we can get elephant popcorn too.”

“Elephant popcorn!” Tommy cheered and Jason breathed out a sigh of relief. Sometimes Tommy got into a one track mind and could not be derailed. ‘Daddy’’s broken promise to show him the elephants still had the potential to be a full blown meltdown later on though. 

Jason sighed and trailed behind his son as the little boy tried to run “super super fast!” down the halls of the Manor. Every day his steps became less of awkward stomping steps and more confident strides. 

Even if he did still wipe out on the floor pretty regularly. 

“Cookies!” Tommy announced excitedly when they reached the kitchen. 

“Only if you eat all of your dinner, Master Tommy,” Alfred said sternly moving them out of reach.

“Why don’t you show Grandpa how good you can kick your ball outside?” Jason suggested, spotting Bruce peaking in the doorway. 

“Oh, I’d be happy to-” Bruce began, his eyes getting that misty edge they always got whenever Jason told Tommy to call him Grandpa. Jason himself sort of found it funny, even if Bruce had ever really been much of a father to him or Dick, but he wasn’t unaware of what it meant to the man that Jason would consider them all family now. 

“Lets go,Letsgo!” Tommy said tugging Bruce out the backdoor. 

“I can’t decide if you’re being kind or enjoy watching Master Bruce fail to keep up with a child’s exuberance,” Alfred said mildly as Jason joined him at the counter to help with dinner prep. 

“A little of both?” Jason snickered, keeping an eye on the two out the window, “Bruce is even worse with small children than Dickie-”

Jason cut himself off and looked away, swallowing thickly. 

“Have you given any more thought to Master Bruce’s suggestion of marriage counseling?” Alfred asked, kindly not commenting. 

“Yeah, no, still not happening,” Jason snorted as he chopped vegetables, “counseling is for people trying to fix shit. There’s no fixing us Alfie.”

“Perhaps not,” Alfred inclined his head, “but a counselor could help verify the situation and your case for custody.”

“Don’t lie, Bruce wants us back together again,” Jason grumbled, handing his veggies over for some meat to cut.

“Master Bruce wants the two of you- and your son- to be happy,” Alfred corrected, “he may not be the best example of clean communication, but he is not totally unaware of its importance.”

“Right, sure,” Jason scoffed, “even if I did go, what would the point? Just one more person to be charmed by Dick and take his side over mine.”

“Hmm, that sounds dangerously like self contempt, Master Jason.” Alfred said, scraping the remaining ingredients into a dish and shooing Jason off to the table. 

“It’s just a fact Alfie,” Jason shrugged.

“Hmm,” Alfred hummed non committedly as he finished seasoning the dish and placed it in the fridge. 

Outside, Tommy took a huge kick at one of his balls, missed, and fell flat on his back. Bruce fluttered about anxiously as the boy picked himself back up and went at it again. 

“Have you given someone the chance to hear your side of the story?”

“Nobody would listen,” Jason said with certainty, “Besides, I’ve been told I’m not the greatest with words. At least not the kind that don’t piss people off.” 

“Why don’t you try writing a letter or an essay?” Alfred suggested as he checked the heat on the oven. 

“Huh?” Jason frowned, finally looking away from where Tommy was now happily chucking balls at Bruce to watch him deflect them all with ease.

It’d been one Tommy’s favorite games to play with Dick if he came home before the boy’s bedtime. The acrobat could twist dramatically out of the way in all different crazy positions while the toddler giggled in delight- Jason didn’t want to think about that. Not when it was over for good. 

“You’ve expressed some difficulty in laying out your case because of how emotionally charged the situation is, and I must say I agree with you there. I’m afraid that continuing to repeat that Master Dick is a ‘useless fucking Alpha prick’ as your sole argument is not going to help you much. However, I recall some of your teachers speaking very highly of the strength of some of your writing in school,” Alfred said, “as such, it may be wise to play to your strengths.”

Jason shifted uncomfortably and focused on Tommy abandoning his game to chase a bird in the yard. Writing it out… while it was true that he’d always been better at that, it still felt kind of lame. People should be able to just look at their situation and see that Jason was right. 

“Lawyers can do a lot, but we need your side of the story to even begin to figure out what’s best for Tommy. Not overarching insults and accusations, but a narrative that will bring support onto your side,” Alfred said, “Whatever the best method for getting that out, be it writing or perhaps telling a recording, you need to think about what you want to say.” 

“Like anyone would choose me over the Golden Child, no matter what I say,” Jason growled.

“I think that once you stop believing that the whole world is against you, you may find more allies than you expect,” Alfred said tapping a paper on the table. 

“What’s this?” Jason frowned, pulling it closer. 

“Information about some open positions at Gotham’s Public Library. Miss Gordon dropped it off the other day,” Alfred said with a small smile. 

“But… I don’t understand?” Jason said weakly, still staring at the paper. 

“It seems that although Miss Gordon loves Master Dick dearly, she is sympathetic to your position,” Alfred said going back to his meal prep. 

That… sort of made sense. She had almost married Dick at one point too, only to call it off later. 

“Really think about it,” Alfred said kindly, “I know you would not be pursuing a divorce lightly. Really think about the reasons why you want one. If Master Dick came in the door right now saying he wanted to get back together and promised to change, what might be your response?”

“Hell no,” Jason croaked, “I’ll never forgive him. He went too far, I can’t- I’ll never forgive him,” 

“Then why don’t you write me the reasons why that is,” Alfred said, “pick your top 3 reasons and write a couple paragraphs each flushing them out.”

“... that sounds so stupid,” Jason said uncomfortably. 

“Indeed?”

“... not really, but I just-” Jason rubbed his face in his hands. He already hated the hot acid-like feeling that twisted in his stomach when he thought of Dick. He didn’t really want to dwell on that feeling much less put words to it. 

“I think this will be good for you,” Alfred said finally setting down a cup of Jason’s favorite tea before settling next to him, “You’ve never… expressed your displeasure verbally about some of the things happening in your home during your visits, but between the few things that were hinted at and some of Dick’s comments when he called, I’d say this is a whole lot more complicated than the story currently circulating.” 

“Why the fuck would I have to- say fucking anything when none of them are going to believe me anyway?” Jason grumbled, which was really the heart of the issue, “They never have before, why the fuck would they start now?”

“This pack has not always- or often, I’m afraid- done right by you, I believe in the end they will stand by you,” Alfred said, then after a pause, “Perhaps even Master Dick.”

“Hah, I’ll believe that when I see it,” Jason snorted, finally lifting his head,  “but thanks. I’ll give it a shot, even if it’s just for you Alfie.”

“That’s all I can ask.”

[minie-mastermind]

Children Of Nightwing

Nightstar-mar'i Grayson

She first appeared in the elseworlds kingdom come and was the daughter of Koriand'r aka Starfire. Throughout the time before or Superman on tried to become a dictator and flew out she was acting as as a young superhero even when it was illegal. Due to a parentage she has close ties with the bat family and and is thought to have been in a relationship with Damian Wayne. In later Comics it is shown but she joins a new rendition of the Teen Titans.

Red Hood-Thomas Grayson

Only appearance was in the alternate future shown in Justice League Generation Lost and mother/grandmother unknown. He is stated to be a descendant of Dick Grayson so very well maybe his grandson. From a world where most heroes were killed by OMAC Thomas Grayson continues the fight with his allies. Since his mother/grandmother is unknown there are a few options of who it could be such as any of his previous partners on new partners we would not be aware of due to alternate timeline, Starfire could be a candidate if through every generation with a human they lose their powers and the most obvious answer of course would be Barbara.

Robin/Firepattern of Earth 2-John Grayson

Originally the name of Dick Grayson father and in this case the name of his son from Earth 2. His mother was Barbara Gordon and his family truck Haven in Chicago during apocalypses invasion. John's mother is badly hurt by debris and the whole family is whisked away by who they think is another refugee named Lottie. But inside Barbara is captured and Dick is taken hostage, however John is returned to the refugee stronghold. After his parents escape they all try and board an already overcrowded boat to escape Chicago. Tragically Barbara Gordon a shot in the chest well securing seats and John Constantine kills her killer. Dick Grayson gives his son up to Johnny Thunder so he can have a chance at survival while Dick waits for his end in Chicago. But Dick Grayson is rescued and goes on to try and save his son who he thinks is on a derailed train underground. When they find each other it turns out that the villain brainwave has been controlling refugees and Batman and huntress show up to stop him. After the villain is defeated John is lost in the crowd again. After finally finding his son again he is forced to give him away to a ship that is only allowing women and children first, he unknowingly hands his son to to Big Barda and K'li. The Ultra-Humanite kidnapped, brainwashed and experimented on orphans including John. Afterwards John would be known as Firepattern and would be tracked down by his still alive father who had recently taken the Batman title. After being saved he regained his personality and went on to become the next Robin. One thing worth of note is that he retained his powers of flight and energy manipulation.

New Order-Jake Grayson

From the New Order elseworlds story where his mother was Koriand'r aka Starfire. Born after the battle of Metropolis where Nightwing activated a device that got rid of 90% of the world's superpowers. Starfire left them when he was young, leaving Dick to raise him with the help of Alfred in Wayne Manor. Jake kid his powers for as long as he could from his father because his father was a leader of of an anti power movement. Eventually it was revealed and his father tried to save him from the anti power task force known as the Crusaders but was unsuccessful. After finally being rescued by his mother, father and the Teen Titans he brought to Superman and Lex Luthor so they could studying why the power dampeners did not work on him. This was done against dicks wishes and he called The Crusaders but went on to regret it. After finding how to give the world its powers back Lex Luthor betrayed them and almost blew up Metropolis with everyone inside it, luckily the Teen Titans and other heroes evacuated everyone before the explosion. Years after these events anti power laws were being lifted, Jake was leaving college and went on to have a wife we did not know the name of and a son named after his father Richard Grayson.

Damian Wayne adoption?

Although not appearing in any elseworlds stories it would be the most likely conclusion to any death of Batman. In most depictions of the future where Damian Wayne is involved he is rather an evil Batman that is making deals with the devil or the leader of the League of Shadows, I believe with with Dick Grayson and his father figure this would change. Jake later began to develop powers from his half Tamaranean DNA and his father

My own thoughts

There are lots of interesting opportunities that could come about from a writing standpoint with the idea of Dick Grayson having a child. Who has a child with of course with change the outcome and his only history can provide a lot of the hero titles. I will go on to list some interesting Concepts for the children of dick Grayson and what their titles could be.

Firebird was the original counterpart to the Nightwing persona on Krypton or in candor depending on continuity. This would be particularly relevant if there was a child with Starfire due to the flame effect Tameranians produce.

Talon was the title of his grandfather when he worked with with the Court of Owls. The most likely circumstance of child taking this name would rather be due to the death of of a parent and seeking vengeance or if they were neglect for due to their heroic it could be a villainess persona once more.

Steel Sparrow is not a title that has appeared but I could not think of a better way to express this idea. The armour one in project Batman being utilised by a a child of Dick Grayson would be an interesting idea if if the mother was also protect analogically advanced Barbara Gordon/Oracle.

Please tell me if I've missed any and and include any suggestions for a better name for steel sparrow if you wish. Have a nice day:)