Guys, listen it’s a small detail but I need to talk about it.
In the episode 23, MC recalls this flashback of Kaito from the episode 20.
But she remembered a different version of Kaito: HE WEARS A HAT. Yes, I know it might be dumb because it’s just a fckng hat but the thing is: From the very first chapter of the boat arc, neither Lucas nor Kaito wore a single hat! (Tohma and Jin too).
Why would the developers add this tiny detail? It's the same scene, so the picture should be the same! I want to believe they just wanted to add Kaito a hat for fun but I know that the developers always have something in mind. I mean, they actually took the time to add the hat, which means it wasn't a mistake, right? Maybe it was on purpose…. Or maybe not. (I’m going crazy for a tiny detail, imagine I’m just being delusional but we never know)
So, perhaps it’s a hint about the Time Loop/Parallel Universe Theory? Does this hat-wearing Kaito belong to an alternate memory? The Kaito with the hat could be Kaito from a slightly different timeline.
Listen, I would like to believe that there are no mistakes in this scene and I’m just being crazy but it might be a theory that MC remembers a different memory of Kaito compared to the scene we saw.
Also the prologue of the episode 23: MC had a nightmare about k1lling Lucas and transformed into the Kyklos. I was thinking….. IF this nightmare is actually A MEMORY OF A DIFFERENT TIMELINE? I know I might be insane because maybe it’s really JUST a nightmare but…. I mean, MC never dreamed of this kind of thing, right?
Besides, I remember from the B’s LOG where the developers said: "Please take in every detail carefully" and I wonder if the things I pointed out were part of their details.
Anyway, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the new episode. You don’t need to take this seriously because I’m not psychic 😭 I’m just theorizing. I would like to know what you all think about this. (And I want to know if I’m the only one who is delusional af lmao)
Damn like Towa is better than me because if Haru was in my room I'd make sure Peekaboo won't be his only child.
Like I've said before, I believe Haru was punished as a child, like being locked in a room or closet and he somehow developed a "trauma bond" with that experience, which is why he occasionally went to Dionysia and slept in that locker. Or if the theory that he used to live on the streets is true, I feel like he would sleep in any enclosed place he could find, including trash cans because it made him feel safer. That habit probably stayed with him even in adulthood.
guys. i know elias is back and all but genuinely what the fuck does he do. he’s a FOURTH year like what classes does he even follow? isn’t he supposed to be doing an internship? why the hell did they remove his probation? to give him nothing to do????
I've been following this Japanese TKDB player for a while because I absolutely love their theories about the story and the characters' lore. And today, they posted their interpretation of Kyklos's words from the final episode of Season 1. And Guys. GUYS!!. You need to check out their post because it completely blew my mind. Thank goodness X has a translation feature so I was able to understand the main points of their post despite the language barrier.
Which is. Yk. Smth that NEVER happens with me. It's just so rare! Who coulda thunk!
Anyways, spoilers beyond the cut, one B-log thing and some source material conjecture.
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So, I think MC is gonna become a ghoul in the next few episodes, and I think I might know what her stigma will be.
Starting off, you may ask, why do I think MC is gonna become a ghoul at all? From a narrative perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the MC separated from the supporting cast?
It might, I'll give you that. But Tokyo Debunker has already, at least in my eyes, broken quite a few narrative stereotypes that one might expect.
One being that things happen off-camera a lot. We don't know what the Kyklos-Combat-Crew was talking about in the meeting in episode 21, Taiga losing the Kyklos all the way back in the Prologue, as well as why him and Haku were after it in the first place seeing as interdorm missions weren't a thing yet, the deserters getting caught and having been caught for over half a year now without us knowing what happened to them, and the entire... Ren's break in thing.
Another being that they aren't afraid to have real, in-universe mysteries. Why are ghouls different to other contract makers? They don't know. Where's Yamato? No clue. What exactly is the Sage Ring capable of? The book about it doesn't say. What was up with the Sky King? We still don't know.
Plus Kyklos genuinely getting away. Likely permanently.
They have no problem stomping on expectations. Why not stomp on one more?
So, fine, maybe they might break expectations, you might be thinking, but lunchboxe, you still haven't explained why she'd be a ghoul. Just why it'd be possible.
Well, I'm glad you asked! Y'see, there's a few reasons. First of all, assuming this next line was translated correctly, it can be seen as evidence.
This is a (hopefully accurately) translated version of a twitter preview for the next B-log.
This likely takes place next episode. Or at least in the next few. My belief is that "one of us" refers to MC becoming a ghoul. But I have more evidence, if that's not substantial enough for you.
The following are two screenshots taken from the original Kisaragi forum, (translated as is a feature on my chrome) a link I got from someone with actual access to 2ch. (2ch, or 2channel, is the website on which the original Kisaragi thread was posted. The website is usually inaccessible to those outside of Japan. In case you don't remember, Kisaragi is the name of the train MC was transported to in both the prologue and episode 21/22. The beginning of the thread creator; Hasumi's, story also aligns with MC's... Slightly.)
(Hasumi, the thread creator, while on the train she usually takes to get to work, suddenly realizes her train is taking longer than usual. By a lot. When it finally stops, she gets off to see where she is. The train leaves before she can get back on. The station she's at is unmanned, and called "Kisaragi" station. According to the above comments, Kisaragi may mean "demon". Hasumi leaves the station, eventually entering a tunnel. She hears drums. She runs through the tunnel, at one point seeing a one-legged man who "disappeared", until she finally got out of the tunnel. A kind man then appeared to help her, and called a train to the nearest station. His speech slowly devolved into nonsense, before he stopped talking entirely. They were heading towards the mountains for a while. He said the destination was "Hina". After that, Hasumi was never heard of again.)
The significance of this is the supposed meaning of Kisaragi. MC never actually leaves her train while in this "other dimension". The first time, Haku plays his flute, and they're out. The second time, it's MC's warding card that gets them out. The only people who ever actually leave the train while in what could very well be another dimension are Haru and Taiga, and while we don't get any story from Taiga about it, the one we do get from Haru isn't much better.
All it really mentions is that he "chased the Kyklos like a bloodhound, but still somehow ended up back at Lockburn Castle". That, and the fact he ended up at the top of the hill. No mentions of the landscape on the way, how far he went, or which direction.
So we're not really sure how far the seemingly different landscape of Kisaragi station goes, how much away you have to be for the moon to stop being red, or... Anything else regarding its relation to reality. Much like the original thread.
But that's not the most pressing matter here. The most pressing matter here is this:
We do not know who or what these are, and they seem to disappear when Haru follows the Kyklos through the window.
Why do I care about this? Well, Kisaragi station might mean demon station, right? What if those are demons?
Another thing I noticed is the number of figures. It matches with the number of non-MC non-Mina members of the prologue group chat.
So, we've established the possibility of MC running into a demon. Now for MC being chosen by one.
(they mention in the prologue that ghouls are handpicked by demons. Obviously, the criteria is never mentioned, but the ghouls are clearly chosen for a reason.)
I believe the main reason behind a demon choosing a subject to make a deal with is likely desperation. This isn't a controversy.
MC seems the most desperate of all. With each episode, she's only getting more desperate, to the point of crumbling to the ground in relief at any perceived breakthrough.
I believe she even has a line somewhere in the main story mentioning point-blank that, given the opportunity, she would absolutely make a deal with a demon to rid her of her curse.
She has a wish ready.
Now—this next bit isn't confirmed or even really implied, but I do believe it would make sense. I believe the difference between those who do and do not survive making a pact may be as simple as just strength of will. MC has been working all this time just to get out alive, if a failed pact means all of that goes to dust, I doubt she'd give in easily.
I also mentioned a theory about what her stigma would end up being. Well, that part's easy.
I believe in wishing for her curse to be cured, MC may become immune to curses in general. Hell, maybe even immune to all anomalous afflictions.
Why immune to curses though? Outside of her wish being to cure hers, of course.
Well, for one, she is currently residing in Clementia. Clementia was the go-to house for all things curse-related, was it not? I see many people reasoning that her supposed stigma, should she become a ghoul, would be plant related. I disagree.
In my personal opinion, I feel it would seem rather shallow writing to water her down to her curse even after it's broken.
Another reason I believe it's curse immunity is the flower at the beginning. The flower at the beginning cutscene of the game is a white lily. After some very quick research, I found that white lilies usually symbolize purity and rebirth.
Purity. It's a stretch, but assuming the flower relates back to MC, it could be purity of curses.
... Cough cough. Back on topic.
If MC becomes immune to curses, it would also mean she would be able to touch Rui.
[This post is subject to the possibility of editing post- well, post-posting. I am very tired, and may be forgetting things that I may feel like adding in the future.]
MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS. Kind of a theory, but not really? My hcs of MC's role in the story based on the wedding motif/theme of MC's artifact. I spend the first half of the post attempting to establish facts, but end up letting my imagination go wild and making things up that only loosely or barely align with canon LOL. LET ME COOK !!! Feel free to fact-check me and critique in comments. It's been a hot minute since I read the season 1 finale. Sorry in advance for mistakes and stuff, this is rlly a word vomit post.
TKDB MC as Sacrificial Bride
TLDR;
MC is the prophesized champion or will choose/make one of the ghouls the champion. She and the champion she chooses will defeat/overcome the "profound tragedy" mentioned in the prophecy by using her stigma-enhancing ability granted by the Sage's Ring. I believe the profound tragedy is the opening of the Rinfone. MC was not coincidentally cursed by the kyklos and brought to Darkwick, but is part of a larger plot to seize power. MC had to get cursed to keep her at Darkwick and to be chosen by the ring. Whoever has control of her has control of the ring and therefore controls who becomes the champion and/or gets enhanced powers.
What we know in canon:
MC gets cursed by a Kyklos (wrong place, wrong time, or as part of sinister plot?)
MC is coerced/forced to stay at Darkwick bc they're her best chance for a cure and bc she's now considered a threat to the general public (may eventually become a kyklos)
MC (coincidentally?) gets the Sage's Ring artifact, which she is physically unable to remove from her ring finger
The Sage's Ring was initially disguised as Hera's Snakes - a black veil
The Ring gives her the ability to enhance the stigmas of ghouls through physical contact
There is a prophecy about (a) champion(s) whose presence at the academy will "keep the world sheltered/safe", and it is a commonly accepted in-game theory that the champion(s) refers to the/a ghoul(s)
The Prophecy:
"The whisper of the new moon shall lead the champion to the Academy in the solitary isle. So long as the champion resides there, the world shall be sheltered from profound tragedy ..."
What we know in mythology:
In Greek mythology, Hera is the goddess of marriage, women, family, and childbirth, reigning as the Queen of the Gods alongside her husband Zeus, the King of the Gods
"Hera's Snakes" is most likely a reference to the time Hera sent snakes to kill infant Hercules (Zeus' child from cheating on Hera)
The wedding/marriage/bride motifs:
The ring's initial disguise as a veil, commonly worn by brides
Mention of Hera - goddess of marriage
The ring binding to MC's ring finger
How I think this all ties together:
In many cultures, marriage is a sacred/divine "pact" of lifelong commitment between two people
Whichever ghoul MC chooses/is closest to enters a pact with her, much like how they entered pacts with demons to gain their stigma
A pact (wedding/marriage; literal and/or symbolic) with MC will permanently enhance the champion's (chosen ghoul's) stigma without requiring constant physical contact and/or removing or decreasing the debuff that comes from overusing their stigma
Maybe there is something innate about MC that attracts anomalies to her, such as the kyklos, and this quality is also why the ring chooses her, empowering her to choose which anomalies (including ghouls) can get close to her
MC is set up by shadowy forces (the traitor(s)) to be a "sacrificial bride" / lamb to slaughter, symbolically or literally wedded/entered into a pact for "a greater purpose"
Sacrificial brides are a common trope across myth, folklore, and horror
The role of the sacrificial bride is to appease, seal, or redirect the power and/or calamity of whomever she is bound to
Okay, I have a fever, I'm bored and I need some more Benkei in my life. So let's ponder him and Clementia a little.
Now as we know (if you're past ep.4) he's the former Clementia advisor/professor and now runs the campus shop under a cat manager (hilarious). His name is taken from a Japanese monk, very fitting for the advisor of a curse/church/temple/magic centered house.
It's of course for tension building reasons in the story that the we know so little of Clementia and by extension Benkei at this time. Like, Clementia would prolly be one of the best, if not THE best house to take care of MC's curse, so they can't have been a part of the arc yet to just magically solve the problem early on.
BUT THIS ROBS US FROM SUCH COOL THINGS and I honestly hope we'll see Clementia guys and their cards this year after Dionysia sits down. To further thicken the soup that is the plot.
Haku and Rui have been part of the house before. It honestly makes sense for both of them; Haku is the heir to a temple and Rui knows his shit with anomalous plants and herbs and has an interest (and contacts) in witchcraft. But both are spiritual and magical skills and interests and I need ALL of that in my life IMMEDIATELY.
We know quite little of Benkei, but he does sell all sorts of anomalous medicine and magical items in his shop. Even the shop background has those Japanese curse dolls (wara ningyô) on display that MC used in her performance in the haunted house, mimicking the Ushi no toki mairi-curse ritual.
So Benkei knows his shit, prolly having been a monk before getting a teaching/advisor job. But to just openly have curse items for sale in his shop for students to buy...? That's ballsy and dangerous as fuck, especially now since Clementia is defunct and Benkei isn't teaching anymore.
Does Darkwick's curriculum even have curse or straight up magic related classes anymore?
(Off topic kinda but I hate the steel blue waistcoat and salmon tie on Benkei, he looks like a fucking sushi or a cheap hotel auditor lol. He looks so much better in the shop apron, the green and the gold really suit him and I swear to fuck if Twist doesn't make Clementia's house colour green I'll explode something in Minecraft wwwwwww)
Now, the poor guy is super worried he's being creepy towards students that he does indeed come off a little creepy, to his own detriment. I believe the game devs tried to write a fresher take on the 2000's "pervy monk" trope and turned it to um... You know how when you go through airport security checks, you've made sure you have nothing on you and something still beeps and you panic like "oh shit what if I'm accidentally a drüg mule??"
That. They made the poor guy that.
Sure, as per the later episodes he's involved to at least to some extent with the academy's bullshit like the other professors, but honestly? I trust him more than I trust Nicolas at this point. Even if we know so little of him.
(I just think Nicolas is a sus henchman that keeps fucking up and feels guilty for dancing to Darkwicks tune lol)
And I have a stupid little theory why Benkei is so worried about coming off as creepy towards students. Being the advisor of a magic/spirituality/herb etc. forward house, he might've been involved with an accident involving love spells or love potions, even love related curses before Clementia got shut down.
I don't think it's anything related to the main plot, but who knows.
But why would a guy like him ALSO be the advisor to Ultio? A house literally named "revenge" that runs a fucking prison/holding facility??
It doesn't really fir his personality and vibe, at least knowing what we know so far of the facilities, but then again, all the professors are sus as fuck. Benkei just less so. I kinda hope he's in kahoots with Haku to throw Darkwick's plans off. Maybe he's one of the people Haku calls so often? Or the Institute? Dunno, just spitballing.
So far he just seems like a more straight up kinda guy than any of the other faculty members. Maybe I'm holding on to false hope for ONE professor to not be a conniving asshole lol
What was the point of this? Was this fruitful or full of new ideas? No. Heh.
So I feel very bad for Taiga. Taiga totally has a stigma that make him able to see the future or something. I'm pretty sure of it, otherwise he wouldn't have tried to warn us about it as at the start of the gala in chapter 24. And that's probably why he was so "numb" in the entiere chapter he knew what would happen.
Another interesting thing we learn in chapter 23 is that Taiga opened the casino for Romeo. For some reason Romeo went to Italy in second year. Probably because of the Clash. Taiga and Romeo have a very toxic relationship. I love them but Taiga does lean a lot on Romeo, as if romeo and Him are the only real people in the world in his eyes in a way, i don't if it make sense. But he is very possessive of Romeo. Romeo isn't the same about Taiga.
I think Taiga was searching for someone that wouldn't use him and would listen to him. That why he liked the MC because she didn't do that and That's also probably why he was tamed around Haku, since Haku does that. That's also why he didn't share the secret of his stigma, otherwise flies would come around him to not hesitate and abuse of it.
Romeo is another case, i love him honestly but he is a lot materialistic. He did get betrayed and manipulate by Hyde a lot and still trust him even at the end. That what infuriate and make Taiga sad, because Romeo isn't like that with him, je just yells at him. Romeo need Taiga not because of Taiga but because of what Taiga can give him, what he can win with him. After all Taiga had to open the Casino to make him come back.
Chapter 24 really points out all the problems between the houses. All their toxicity come crashing down. And in this case, Taiga is done with Romeo it's clear. And he tried to warn everyone about what would happen even in first year or second year. Haru mentions at some point that Taiga told everyone about a traitor among them and talked about conspiracy. That's probably why he is this close off, because no one listened to him before and still isn't. And in his eyes, it might be very hurtful that Romeo trust more in the words of someone who tried to kill him and betrayed him once already than him.
And that's also maybe why he is more tame lately with ritsu, because in chapter 23, ritsu admit to use him. He is honest about it, but tells him that's just because he isn't here that wouldn't stop him and what he want to achieve. I feel like that a start for Taiga, which might explain why he brought him with him at the end of chapter 24 to confront Romeo.
I also feel like haru tried to be that type of person that listen to him. In chapter 23, Elias reveal how is truly Taiga to Haru. Haru tells him that he is starting to believe what he was saying before about conspiracy and everything.
And i'm pretty sure haru tried to do so. But you can't fake liking someone. Even if Haru and Taiga seems friends now it's clear that they are mostly tolerating each other, especially from Taiga's perspective. He's not gonna trust an old ennemy overnight especially since he has trust issues. And especially because Haru may have not trust him in the past. From Taiga's view Haru must be using him, especially since Taiga seems to be one of the only one having connection to old students of Dionysia.
Also in chapter 22, Taiga clearly states that the only reason why Haru is still alive is because of Towa. Taiga knows he can't win against Towa.
Taiga need more than a year to trust Haru but Haru is too forceful in his way. We see that with Ren already. He's pushing others people boundaries, thinking that how they would trust him without noticing that he is pushing them away from him by doing so.
And about Haru we know that his cheerful personnality is a part of a lie. It's implied when he talks to Elias. That's also may play on why Taiga doesn't like him. So far the only character other than the Mc who tried to listen to Taiga without treating him as an idiot is Haku. Ritsu has also started to improved in this area. It's clear that he is trying to listen more to Taiga and realized that Taiga isn't an idiot. I still feels like Taiga cares in his own way for Haru, since he did points out that he was hurt.
It's clear he is struggling with his issues but doesn't voice it because no one listen to him and honestly that makes me so sad. That's also probably why he only tried to warn mc when he saw her, because he knew she would listen. And that's also why he was so unbothered by the gala, because he knew it would be useless in the end.
He is such a tragic and complex character and that's one of the reasons of why i love him so much.
