I've noticed a bit of a trend that runs through the above characters: they attract the ire of fans and critics of their canon works who determine that they're "badly written" as the brilliantly manipulative decievers they're meant to come off as becasue nearly all of their lies, ruses, gambits and emotional manipulation ploys are too stupid or convoluted or just so transparent in their fakeness and easy to poke holes in that anyone should be able to see through them and not fall for them, so the other characters just have to be made too stupid to do so in order for the lies and trickery to succeed. (Dahlia gets this less than the others because her frequent incompetence and failings are a very clear narrative point, but there are some detractors all the same.)
And if one wishes to critique the quality of the writing that they believe is not up to par and lets down the concept of these characters as great liars and manipulators, that's perfectly okay (lord knows there's a lot to criticize in the writing of where those bottom two characters come from!). But it gets bothersome to me when I notice that these sticking points are being used not merely to critique the writing but to hate on and fully dismiss the character. Like to claim that the character is just a really stupid, unimpressive, unlikable and unwanted one who has never said or done anything truly smart in their entire fictional existence and should never have been able to outsmart anyone else and should be held up as examples of how not to write a manipulative deciever.
And I really do not wish to jump to a conclusion, but it’s impossible to ignore that there's another trend that runs through all of these characters that just might be a factor driving this for some haters....
It just tends to reek of "hating to see a girlboss winning" energy, or accusing the female villain of being an author's pet or a Mary Sue protected only by the writer's favorable treatment that dumbs down other characters in order to make the blatant lies told by these blatantly shady characters work (and in Celeste, Dahlia, and Cozy Glow's case it's also "hating to see a girlfailure losing" since they do inevitably prove not very capable or successful!), like a female character cannot possibly have a truly high level of intellect, savvy and competency to be skillfully manipulative and successfully deceitful without their wrtiers "cheating" for them and making their prey into total dumb-dumbs to make it easy for them to get ahead. That the very concept of them being so smart as to make them formidable threats to be reckoned with is a dumb one that ought to have been discarded, with the lying bitches getting easily seen through and exposed and failing at every turn being the "correct" way to write them and their stories. It's sort of sussy to me since I don't think I've seen nearly as much of the same flak given to male characters who lie and manipulate and decieve others regularly, but I'm not going to make any judgment definitive and am always up for discussion on what these characters are convincingly good at and less convincingly good at, if not outright bad at, and what could've been done to improve the writing for them so that they do feel worthy of their own hype.
At the end of the day, can we at least all agree that whatever the faults in their writing, none of these girl liars are craptastic writing disasters like this character?
are there any Native people outside the Cession in the M:FS universe?
there's really no good answer here. if not- oh, they've been forced off their ancestral land and into a tiny single strip of the continent allowed them by the US government? wow that sounds uh. Not Great, although at least it's a sovereign nation
if so- does that mean Native witches have to serve in the US Army whether they want to or not? because of a treaty a British woman made with British colonial authorities on behalf of other British people? just so they can stay on their own land? y i k e s
someone didn't think this through in the writers' room
(also how does Cession citizenship work? if the Collars have been there since before it was officially formed, how were Raelle and Willa conscripted at all? the US is a foreign power; they shouldn't be under its jurisdiction. does the Cession not have birthright citizenship? or only for Native people?)
I'm not going to watch the show, but it does feel indicative of the whole project that Joanne's supposedly "more book-accurate" Harry Potter reboot has cast a Black man as Snape - seemingly without any thought whatsoever about how that will impact both her claim on why she is trying to reboot it in the first place; and on the story - now that Harry, the canonical slave-owner, will be repulsed on sight by having one (1) Black teacher in a position of power over him; who doesn't immediately fawn over him verbally.
He's going to spend 7 years being suspicious of the Black teacher & automatically thinking he's to blame for anything that goes wrong in the school - before growing up to become a cop! Yikes...
I don’t like disposal so I tend not to really imagine my Preds using the Bathroom. And I think this is a completely fair thing to ignore cause fetish fantasies are whatever you want them to be. But also if I were to think about the potential ramifications of this further. That would mean the Predator is selfishly stealing matter from the universe permanently every time they eat.
More Incorrect KISS Quotes (Revenge and Reunion years + Bonus: The Invasion)
Oops very gay except Robert
(Update: Mark is now in pretty blue uwu)
Eric: Anyone d-
Paul: Depressed?
Gene: Drained?
Bruce: Dumb?
Vinnie: Disliked?
Eric: -done with their work... what is wrong with you people ...
Ace: I’ve done a lot of dumb stuff.
Gene: I witnessed the dumb stuff.
Tommy: I recorded the dumb stuff.
Peter: I joined in on the dumb stuff.
Paul: I TRIED TO STOP YOU FROM DOING THE DUMB STUFF!!!
Eric: Bridge the generation gap by combining old and new slang into one!
Paul: Tubular AF!
Gene: Mood to the max!
Bruce, annoyed: Groovy, I hate it.
Vinnie, just as annoyed: If she breathes, she’s a square.
Ace: Rules are made to be broken.
Paul: They were made to be followed. Nothing is made to be broken.
Gene: Uh, piñatas.
Bruce: Glow sticks.
Vinnie: Karate boards.
Eric: Spaghetti when you have a small pot.
Ace: Rules.
Paul:
Paul: Eric isn’t answering his phone
Bruce: I’ll call
Gene: Paul and I have both tried six times each, what makes you thi-
Eric: Hello?
Eric: Okay, truth or dare?
Vinnie: Truth
Eric: How many hours have you slept this week?
Vinnie:
Vinnie: ...Dare
Eric: Go to bed.
Vinnie: I don’t like this game.
[The band trying to con someone for tax reasons]
Eric: Um, Vinnie, why are you pretending I'm this guy's family?
Vinnie: We need money!
Eric: You're scamming him?
Vinnie: I was thinking more like flat-out stealing from him?
Eric: What?! No way!
Vinnie: Why not? We already stole Eric!
Eric: Hey guys
Eric: No, we didn't. Kitty can think and talk for himself, he can do whatever he wants!
Eric: I wanna steal
Eric: What's a word thats a mix between 'sad' and 'mad'?
Vinnie: Disgruntled, miserable, desolated-
Eric: Smad.
Vinnie: Would you stab your best friend in the leg for 10 million gold?
Eric: You stab me, and then when my leg gets better, we buy a big-ass house.
Eric: You can stab me too, then we'll have 20 million.
Eric: Good thinking.
Vinnie: How did none of you hear what I just said?
Eric: I’ve been zoned out for the past two and a half hours.
Eric: I got distracted about halfway through.
Paul: Ignoring you was a conscious decision.
Gene: Truth or dare?
Eric: Dare
Gene: I dare you to kiss the hottest person in the room
Eric: Hey Paul
Paul, blushing: Yeah?
Eric: Could you move? I’m trying to get to Vinnie
Vinnie: On a scale from “damn Daniel” to “fre sha vaca do”, how are you feeling?
Eric: In between “it’s an avocado, thanks” and “how did you defeat Captain America”, but as a solid answer I would say “I don’t need a degree to be a clothing hanger”. How about you, Kitty?
Eric: Probably “road work ahead”.
Paul: I speak many languages, and this is none of them.
Vinnie: I just ended a four year relationship.
Bruce: Oh, I’m so sorry. Are you okay?
Vinnie: Hm? Oh yeah, I’m fine. It wasn’t my relationship.
*Eric and Carrie fighting from across the room*
Vinnie: We need more help. Maybe I should call my friends.
Eric: ... Your what?
Vinnie: My friends.
Eric: Is he saying “friends”?
Bruce: I think he’s being sarcastic.
Gene: No, no, no, this is delirium, he’s cracked from being awake all night. Hey, Vinnie! All of your friends are in this room.
Vinnie: I have other friends! You asked me to make new friends, I made new friends! It was a task. I complete tasks.
Paul: Screw you!
Vinnie: I'll have to check with my beloved, but I'll get back to you.
Bruce: I feel like doing something stupid.
Eric: I’m stupid, do me.
Bruce: How much you wanna bet Gene got a Lap dance from Vinnie?
Eric: If that happened, Kitty can drink free tonight.
Eric: As much as I love the thought of having free drinks I don't like the idea of Gene receiving a Lap dance from someone other than me.
Bruce: Hey Vinnie, did you give Gene a lap dance?
Vinnie: So what if I did?
Bruce, to Eric: I guess Kitty is drinking free tonight.
Vinnie: Be right back, I'm gonna go cry-
Gene, entering the room: What the f-
Vinnie: *sucking on a popsicle*
Dana: Pfft, you practicing for when Eric gets here?
Vinnie: *takes a huge ass bite out of the popsicle*
Dana: *Concern*
Alternatively:
Vinnie: *sucking on a popsicle*
Dana: Pfft, you practicing for when Paul gets here?
Vinnie: *takes a huge ass bite out of the popsicle*
Dana: *Concern*
Vinnie: You know my motto: carpe diem, carpe noctem, carpe coles.
Gene: Seize the day, seize the night, what’s the last one?
Vinnie: Seize the dick.
Paul: Go fuck yourself.
Vinnie, smugly: Sure, but only if you watch
Mark: Hey, what’s up?
Vinnie: The sky.
Mark: No, I meant like, what are you doing?
Vinnie: Oh, Eric.
Eric: *highfives Vinnie* Nice!
Paul: I spy with my little eye something that begins with the letter “s”.
Gene: *looks over at Vinnie and Eric* Gene: Is it “sexual tension”?
[Also applies to Spacecat really]
Eric: What are you in the mood for?
Vinnie: World domination.
Eric: That's a bit ambitious.
Vinnie: You are my world.
Eric: Aww...
Vinnie:
Eric:
Vinnie:
Eric: OH.
Dana: As top in this relationship, I think we should-
Mark: I can't believe you're pulling rank on me.
Gene: Sorry I'm late, I was doing stuff and got distracted.
Eric: I'm stuff!
Eric: I'm got distracted!
Vinnie: We had sex.
Dana: How is the most beautiful person in the world?
Mark: *blushing* I—
Vinnie, butting into the conversation: Eric is perfect, thanks for asking.
Vinnie: Having two partners is both amazing and complicated. But all our problems are solved with communication.
Eric: It’s my turn to cuddle Eric.
Vinnie: FIVE MORE MINUTES DAMMIT!
Vinnie: Do you want to explain the text you sent me last night?
Mark: It was autocorrect.
Vinnie: Autocorrect wrote "You're so hot. Please step on me."?
Mark: Yes.
Mark: We have a problem.
Vinnie: No, YOU have a problem. I have an idiot who keeps making them.
Dana: Pros and cons of dating me.
Dana: Pros. You'll be the cute one.
Dana: Cons. Holy shit, where do I begin-
Ace: I think I'm falling for you.
Peter: Then get up.
Vinnie: Just a minute. I need to go take out the trash.
Eric: Oh. We're going out?
Vinnie: Wh...
Dana: Love is weakness and an evolutionary mistake.
Vinnie: You are literally making a Valentine’s day card for Mark.
Dana, pointing his hot glue gun towards Vinnie: You’re on thin fucking ice.
Mark: Truth or dare?
Dana: Truth!
Eric: Do you-
Vinnie: I dare you to kiss me.
Eric: *kisses Vinnie*
Mark, to Paul: He said “truth”, right?
Eric: God, if only someone loved me…
Vinnie: *standing behind him with roses*
Gene: *holding box of chocolates*
Bruce: *has balloons and a card*
Paul: *facepalms* This is sad.
Paul: So, what is Eric to you?
Tommy: The reason I wake up every morning.
Paul: ...That’s adorable.
Eric earlier that morning, barging into Tommy’s room, smacking pans together: WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!
Mark: I think I just figured something out. I got to go.
Gene: Aren't you forgetting something?
Mark: Uuh...*hesitantly kisses Gene's forehead before running out.*
Gene: No, pay your bill! Damn, who raised you?
Dana: BE A BETTER PERSON!
Mark: WHY?!
Dana: BECAUSE SOMEONE NEEDS TO HAVE MORALS IN THIS RELATIONSHIP, AND IT SURE AS FUCK AIN'T GONNA BE ME, SWEETHEART!
Bobby: *about Eric and Vinnie* They make a cute couple, huh?
Dana: They certainly are standing next to each other.
Gene: Ooh, somebody has a crush
Paul: Pfft, I don’t have a crush on Tommy I just think he’s cool, it’s not like I stay up at night thinking about him.
*Later that night*
Paul, very much awake: Uh oh.
*playing twister*
Gene: Right hand red.
Vinnie: *ends up on top of Paul*
Paul: You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?
Gene: I stopped spinning like 15 minutes ago. Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't notice.
Peter: I’m proud to identify as morosexual. I’m attracted to dumbasses and dumbasses exclusively. Someone asked me what the Spanish word for "tortilla" was once, and now I dream of kissing them under the moonlight.
Ace: What kind of animal is the Pink Panther?
Peter, already taking off his clothes: God, Ace, you’re so fucking stupid.
Eric, with a headache: Advil me up, daddy.
Paul: I will short out the language centre of your brain if you say anything like that ever again.
Ace, throwing himself head-first into Peter’s lap: Tell me I'm pretty!
Peter, lovingly stroking his hair: You're pretty fucking annoying, that's what you are.
Gene: I committed all 7 deadly sins in 30 minutes.
Vinnie: Wow, I've gotta hear this.
Gene: I was angry and envious of my neighbor so I lazily seduced his wife and ate all his groceries and didn't share.
Vinnie: You forgot pride.
Gene: No, I'm pretty proud of this.
Vinnie: *banging a pen on the table out of frustration*
Paul: Stop that. How would YOU feel if I banged you on the table?
Vinnie: I—
I don’t know the correct answer to that question.
Paul: Did it hurt when you fell-
Vinnie: From heaven? Wow, I didn’t think you were such a flirt-
Paul: No, I meant when you fell down the stairs.
Vinnie: ...
Paul: You just laid there for 15 minutes.
Dana: Heh, Vinnie sneezes like a girl.
Vinnie: How about I pound you like boy?
That didn’t come out right.
Vinnie: I think we should kiss.
Paul: And I think you should die but we don’t always get what we want.
Mark: Do you think sex without love is a sin?
Vinnie: If it is, I’ll see you in hell.
Eric: Come on, I wasn’t that drunk last night.
Robert: You were flirting with Vinnie.
Eric: So what? He’s my boyfriend.
Robert: You asked him if he was single.
Eric:
Robert: And then you cried when he said he wasn’t.
Ace, setting down a card: Ace of spades
Peter, pulling out an Uno card: +4
Gene, pulling out a Pokémon card: Jolteon, I choose you
Paul, trembling: What are we playing
Ace: I’m an idiot.
Peter:
Paul:
Gene:
Eric:
Ace:
Peter: If you’re waiting for us to disagree, this is going to be a long day.
Peter: We just ate. Why are you making pancakes?
Vinnie: For the dogs.
Peter: Why are you making pancakes for the dogs?
Vinnie: They don't know how.
Vinnie: We’re getting married, bitches!
Eric: And we're about to make it everybody else's problem.
Vinnie: Norwegia. Is. Not. A. COUNTRY!
Ace: Then where are Norwegian people from!?
Paul: NORWAY!!
Eric, watching Ace and Peter from afar: Two Bros, Chillin in a hot tub. Five feet apart because they think they’re not gay, BUT THEY REALLY ARE-
Ace, talking about Peter: WHAT THE FUCK I WAS ARGUING WITH HIM AND I SAID “OOH YOU WANNA KISS ME SO BAD” AND GUESS WHAT? HE DID. HE KISSED ME. WHAT THE FUCK WHAT DO I DO.
Eric: Hey, babe, remember how I had to go to the pharmacy to pick up my ADHD meds?
Vinnie: Yes?
Eric: Well, it turns out they're all out for the next five days.
Vinnie: Fuck.
Eric: It's gonna be a fun week!
Vinnie: I'm going to Gene's house.
Eric: Nuh-uh. Through sickness and health, motherfucker.
Vinnie’s ass is getting destroyed
Gene: Wow, they really hate us.
Eric: Yes, perhaps they’re homophobic.
Gene: But we’re not gay, Eric.
Eric:
Gene:
Eric: We’re not?
Paul : You three, explain right now!
Tommy: It was Ace.
Eric: It was Ace.
Eric: It was Ace.
Ace:
Ace: …fuck
Eric, on the phone: I better go…kay, call me later… byeeee!
Bruce: Friend of Yours?
Eric: Nope, wrong number.
Bruce: ???
Ace: Peter, what do you have?
Peter : A KNIFE!
Ace: Okay, have fu-
Paul: NO!
Paul: So, Ace is no longer allowed to take the trash out at night.
Eric: Why?
Paul: Because I've caught him trying to train raccoons to fight five times in a row.
Ace, arms crossed and pouting: You'll be thanking me when the third raccoon battalion saves your ass.
*Gene holding Nick*
Bruce: Oh God, I can’t believe one of us actually has one of these.
Eric: I know, I still am one of these.
Ace: Hey guys, I’m making french toast sticks in the oven. I’m gonna take a quick nap, so wake me up in 5 minutes to flip them over.
*5 minutes later*
Bruce: Ace it’s been 5 minutes, time to flip your sticks.
Ace: snnnzzzz...
Bruce: ACE YOUR STICKS!
Eric: *Stands in trash can.*
Gene: Eric, not again! You're not trash, you're at least recycling!
Vinnie: I feel like I have died and gone to heaven.
Paul: I have that dream, too, but you go in the other direction.
Eric: So jellyshish-
Paul, laughing: JELLYSHISH!?
Eric: You know what I meant!
Tommy: Man, they look like a real handful. How do you deal with them?
Bruce, watching Peter screaming, Paul trying to set a sleeping Vinnie on fire, and Gene choking on air: I don't know either.
Eric: My favorite thing about big dogs is that when you push them over, they're all like "Oh, I'm lying down now! Someone might scratch my stomach! I might nap! Endless possibilities!"
Bruce: ...whereas, when you push little dogs over, they're all like, "Vengeance! Death before dishonor!"
Paul: So what’s for dinner?
Eric: I can’t tell you, it’s a soup-prise!
Paul: …
Paul: Is it soup?
Eric: I soup-pose it could be! *winks*
Paul: Please, enough with the soup puns!
Eric: Wow, you’re soup-per mean.
Paul: STOP!
*one hour later*
Paul: It’s fucking tacos?!?!?!
Peter: What? I'm not aggressive!
Paul: Last Tuesday, you wacked me with a pair of crocs and stole my chocolate chips?
Peter: Survival of the fittest, bitch.
ok so i have seen some chuckleheads try to defend this Epler, but holy shit...
Im very much NOT the guy who tends to jump on Bioware's take on the dalish/elvhenan(and to a lesser extent the Qunari) as Racist or unfortunate... but MAN this is just flat out... no not unfortunate implications, this is basically the argument the people who have been complaining that the elves were portrayed as a "Weak" people who's defeat to the tevinter imperium was innevitable due to inherint weakness on the part of their culture, and rather than showcasing the reality was a bit more nuanced and complicated than that, they instead said:
"Yeah that's about right. The Elven Gods, the cream of the crop of Elven kind, their god-kings who knew more than anyone about magic, the very nature their society ran on, the thing they used to reach such heights, knew absolutely nothing impressive about magic at all."
Like... this is so bad. because it says that no, the elves WEREN'T good at magic they DIDNT have any more innate understanding of magic than Tevinter. They were actually shit, and the only reason they were able to make anything impressive at all, is because they lived in the age before the veil, and they were able to mooch of the power of the titans.
The Elves who led their people to victory over the titans were not good magic users, or at least they didn't actually understand magic at all.
Now im not saying the titan's powers werent THE driving force of the Elven Empire greatest heights, but what Epler says here is that the elven rulers, after using magic for millennia, had no greater understanding of it whatsoever, which would put them beneath the most lowly circle apprentice who beat his harrowing.
It is, in fact, saying that the Archons who conquered the Arlathan remnants WERE superior mages to the greatest heights the elves could ever hope to reach, and yet another showcase of bioware shitting on the Dalish for daring to try to believe that their ancestors actually was great.
No Merill, the Elves were never great, they just had an inexaustible battery, Epler said so.
There's a lot about My Hero Academia that would be so good if it was good. But the biggest gap between how good something is and how good it could be is probably Himiko Toga.
In theory, Toga's existence is a criticism of hero society wrapped in a neurodivergence allegory. Toga's Quirk is creepy and gives her "deviant" urges. So she's just told to suppress it, mask, act normal. For the love of god, just be a good girl.
But she can't. She's not "normal". When Toga reaches her breaking point, begging for her parents to accept who he actually is and not what they want her to be...and they reject her. In the end, she runs away from home.
Eventually, she gets picked up by a supervillain preying on similar rejects, creating a sense of community among them so he can direct them to his own ends. None of which would have been possible if they hadn't been rejected in the first place.
...
But I left out the times Toga attacked people to drink their blood. We know for certain that she stabbed one of her classmates (that she had a crush on) and slurped his blood with a straw, and we're told that she's the primary suspect in several bloody murders. Also she attacks our heroes not just because her new friends are hostile to them, but because she wants to drink their blood too.
Toga's not just weird, she's dangerous.
Toga's "deviant" urges aren't just things she wants to do that polite society thinks are weird or gross. She's not a cute vampire who sucks your blood and leaves a vampire hickey; she drank her first crush's blood by cutting him with a box cutter and sucking blood out with a straw. Her deviancy has a body count.
Toga's parents aren't being insensitive when they call her a monster; they are stating the truth.
On its own, this turns Himiko Toga from a sympathetic neurodivergence allegory—one where Toga is isolated because she doesn't fit in the restrictive box her parents and teachers want all kids to fit in—into a horror story where allegorical neurodivergence is the monster. And that's just gross.
And it's not just neurodivergent people who get shafted. Toga is bixexual, but her attraction to women fits just about every predatory lesbian trope out there, with the bonus that her Quirk makes her a literal predator.
I don't want to say everything about Toga is bad. But a lot about her is, and she could have been so good if she was written better. Or if she was written mostly the same and the later arcs acknowledged the flaws in MHA's society enough to make her seem sympathetic even when she murders people to drink their blood.
(Someone needs to call the cops on whoever in that brothel taught Zevran those "skills" and also on any recipients of those skills prior to Zevran turning 18).