#viserys plumm

[an-artist-who-loves-got]

Well, there was some old Plumm in the Sunset Kingdoms who wed a dragon princess. My grandmama told me the tale. He lived in King Aegon's day.

(A Storm of Swords, Daenerys V)

[rynnthefangirl]

I will always believe the theory that Viserys Plumm is a bastard son of Aegon the Unworthy, because I think it is funny that you have a guy who could have been another Daemon Blackfyre (both bastards born to sister Targaryen princesses via King Aegon) but instead just got to be a chill dude who minded his own business and lived a happy Plumm life.

[puddingdemonlair]

Hi! Apologies for the unfortunate timing of this ask (the art theft turned generative ai is utterly sickening, I'm sorry this is happening to you). I wanted to ask this now before I forget about it.

Do you have any headcanons/a vision for Baela's children, Rhaena's daughters and Elaena's children? Since several of them are around Visenya's time and would be considered cousins...

Also, I gotta say I got attached to Visenya and her little targfyres children. Are their deaths/exiles preventable in your AU? Please please please 😭🙏🥺

Thanks for the support, the art theft has been frustrating but I'm not about to let it get to me. I hate AI, and I'll never let it kill my passion for art or sharing my art with others. Here's to hoping the AI bubble pops soon T_T. Also, I'm pleased u like Visenya's kiddos so much! For all my ASOIAF OCs, I technically put them into two AUs; one that (mostly) follows canon events, and another that is basically a "fix all the issues" AU, cuz I'm a softie who needs to see my OCs experience happiness as well lol. While the kids do suffer in canon events, I'll probably make art n stuff of the happier AU as well, so don't worry! :)

Now onto your question! As for the children of Baela, Rhaena and Elaena, they would be Visenya's cousins (well technically, Baela and Rhaena's kids would be Visenya's aunts/uncles more like). I've never thought too hard about their children tbh, mostly because we know so little of them (George give us more lore!!!!). But sure, I'll try to compile my thoughts on them. (WARNING, this is a long one T_T)

Baela's children - Okay, so we don't actually have a lot of info on how many children Baela has with Alyn Velaryon for sure. We only know that they have two confirmed children, their firstborn daughter Laena, and a second child we were given no info on. I'll focus just on Laena for now, since the second child is barely a character. I personally rrly like the idea of the Velaryon line descending from Laena, I feel like it just makes so much sense that bold Baela's eldest girl gets to rule her parent's seat in her own name (especially since her grandma and great-grandma were denied their own right to rule based on sex). Although, I greatly doubt the bloodline will descend through her (George is probably gonna make the second child a boy), I wanna cling to my headcanon for now of Laena Velaryon, Lady of the Tides. I imagine Laena to be a proud, bold, and stubborn young woman, very similar to her mother, who is unafraid to speak her mind. I also think she has a deep longing for the dragons, especially since her own hatchling was such a total disaster, and that she often dreams of what could've been. I think there would be a relationship between her and Visenya, very aunt-and-niece-like since Laena would be close in age to Visenya's parents, but I don't think they were particularly close, since I feel Laena was more often at Driftmark than at court. I think Laena would see some of herself in her niece, this stubborn, outspoken, bold girl who has a strong longing for a dragon, but I also think there is some mild tension, as I like to think the Velaryon's favored Daemon Blackfyre a bit and Visenya's aggression towards him was something she didn't approve of (I have no idea if the Velaryons sided with Daemon during the rebellion, but I do think it makes sense for them to at least favor him a bit due to his blood relation). I definitely think she felt torn between a child that is her family and a child she saw a lot of herself in, and was one of the few ppl at court that tried not to pick a side during their fights. I don't think she lived long enough to see Visenya marry Daemon, but I do think she lived long enough to see their relationship slowly repair as they aged. Interestingly, despite their lack of closeness, her and Visenya would end up being bound together as closer relatives through the engagement of her grand-daughter, Valaena, to the princess' son, Viseryn.

Rhaena's children - Okay, so we know that Rhaena has six daughter's by her second husband, Garmund Hightower, but we're never given names for any of the girls. It is also unknown if they dwell within the Crownlands or if they live in the Reach, at the Hightower. Because we have zero information on them it's kind of hard for me to come up with headcanons with so little to work off of. I'm going to try and think of what kind of upbringing they would've had as Hightowers in Oldtown with Rhaena Targaryen for a mother. I think they would've been a healthy amount of pious (their Hightowers so ofc) but not strict due to Rhaena's presence. I think they would've been rather spoiled by their loving parents, especially since both parents come from houses of great wealth, so I can see them sharing in their mother's taste for glamour. I can also see them inheriting Rhaena's famed beauty as well. I definitely think that Targaryen hot-bloodedness still runs through their veins, setting them apart from other Hightowers, so their very charming yet fierce young ladies. The older girls are probably the most calm, capable of controlling their tempers, but the younger girls are far more emotional. I do think they are, however, very disconnected from their Targaryen/Valyrian heritage and culture. Assuming they live in Oldtown, they're so removed from court and the rest of their Targaryen relatives, that they don't have much of an opportunity to experience their own heritage, and Rhaena's attempts alone aren't enough as they live surrounded by Andal/the Faith's culture, and that overshadows a lot of what she teaches. Ofc, this means that when they're at court, it's an awkward experience for them as they feel a bit like outsiders in their own family, as they stand out as being more Hightower-ish than Targ amongst their relatives. The girls long to feel more connected to their mother's side of the family, but struggle due to their lack of knowledge and experience with the family's heritage. Even their interactions with their niece, Visenya, feels awkward as she is so distinctly Targaryen in her appearance and attitude, something they struggle to connect with. Because of these issues, they interact a lot easier with the less Valyrian-like members of House Targaryen; Queen Naerys, Aemon the Dragonknight, Septa Rhaena, & Baelor for example. As a result, I also don't think they are particularly close to Visenya, as while they have similarities due to the Targ blood they share, their Hightower upbringing is so distinctly different from Visenya's dysfunctional, Targaryen upbringing at court, that they struggle to connect with/understand their young niece.

Elaena's children - Now we've gotten to Visenya's ACTUAL cousins. Since it seems Elaena lived at the Red Keep and remained prominent at court all her life, I definitely think Visenya grew up alongside her aunt's children and has much more established relationships with them than she does her prior aunts. Starting with Jon & Jeyne Waters, based on what info we're given, they're probably the same age as her and were likely playmates as a result. While bastards are usually looked down upon, I think the twins had life a little bit easier than other bastards due to their mother's presence. Elaena was clearly a clever and intimidating woman who loved her children deeply. Thanks to her strong personality and status as a Targaryen princess, she shielded her children from most of the hardship and humiliation bastards get from court, but she couldn't protect them from it entirely, so while their lives we're certainly pleasant for bastards, they still endured stigma. I also think that they were born after Baela had already passed (so Elaena's affair with Alyn did not take place during her aunt's marriage), but that Baela's children still disliked their bastard half-siblings. In early childhood, they likely got along well with Visenya, before she was capable of understanding what it meant to be a bastard. But as she aged, and tensions rose between her and Daemon, I think a distance grew between the cousins, as while Visenya never insulted or mocked them for their bastardry, there was certainly a level of discomfort that formed. Unintentionally, Daemon had painted a perception of bastardry in Visenya's mind, and while she didn't buy into the nonsense of bastards being born inherently evil, she did understand that the difficult upbringing many bastards endured could make them desperately and dangerously ambitious, hence her hesitation towards her cousins as she's now very uncertain of them. I do think much of that wariness fades into adulthood though, and of the two, Visenya remains closest to Jeyne. Her cousin Viserys Plumm, he's another one who was a childhood playmate and there was far less tension that followed in their relationship growing up together. I think Viserys, like his siblings, lived a cushy, charmed life at court, facing little difficulty as he was acknowledged as trueborn. But as a child, the jokes about his father, the late Lord Plumm, and the rumors regarding his paternity (that he was actually Aegon IV's bastard) rrly upset him and was a point of insecurity for him. As he aged, however, I think he developed a thick skin and a sense of humor towards it all, going so far as to even joke about it himself sometimes, showing how little he thought of such nonsense. As for the Penrose children; Robin, Laena, Jocelyn, & Joy, they would've been born far too late to be playmates of Visenya (she would've been around 13 to 15 when the eldest child was born). As a result, I think she would've treated them less like peers/friends and more like little siblings to care for, and they probably saw her as an older sibling figure at court. I think they probably had a close bond to their elder brother Viserys, but I feel like they'd be rather distant to their eldest siblings Jon & Jeyne. By the time their in their teens, the twins would probably start to feel the weight of their born stations, and distance themselves somewhat from their trueborn siblings. I also think Laena Penrose's name cause scandal at court, as Laena Velaryon most definitely did not appreciate Elaena's homage.

[teen-spirited-away]

House Plumm

"Come Try Me"

Colors: Gold and Purple

Sigil: Three Purple Circles on Gold

Seat: Name Unknown

"This old Plumm was a lord, though,... begging your royal pardon, he had himself a cock six foot long"

House Plumm is a noble house in the Westerlands most famous for the very brief marriage between Lord Ossifer Plumm and Elaena Targaryen.

[vesper-the-solitaire]

The Nine Mistress of Aegon IV

Though Aegon IV the Unworthy had countless lovers, he claimed to have loved only nine of them, and that his wife, Naerys Targaryen, was not among them:

Falena Stokeworth. She had been a candidate for the second wife of Aegon III, Aegon's uncle, but broke her leg the day before the presentation. She became Aegon's first lover, who "made him a man" when he was fourteen. The affair lasted three years, and when discovered by Aegon's father Viserys, Falena was married to Lucas Lothston, later made Lord of Harrenhal, but is said that Aegon to have continued to visit her for several years.

Megette. A blacksmith's wife whom Aegon bought for seven gold pieces and the threat of his guards. They had a four-year affair during its she bore Aegon four daughters: Alysanne, Lily, Willow, and Rosey. When Viserys found out, he sent Megette back to her husband, who beat her to death within a year, and gave their four daughters to the Faith.

Cassella Vaith. Cassella was the daughter of Lord Vaith and came to court as a hostage during Daeron I's Conquest of Dorne. She became Aegon's mistress but he soon grew tired of her and had no problem handing her over when, upon Daeron's death, the hostages were supposed to be killed (Baelor I decided to send them home instead). Cassella never married and lived in the belief that she was Aegon's one true love and that he would soon take her back.

Bellegere Otherys. A Braavosian merchantess and piratess, she met Aegon when Baelor sent him to Braavos to give Naerys some respite from his near-death experience after a stillbirth. They had a ten-year affair and three children, Bellenora, Narha, and Balerion, though many claimed that Bellegere had lovers everywhere and that the children could have been anyone's.

Barba Bracken. She had been a lady-in-waiting of the Maidenvault at the end of Baelor's reign, and met Aegon when the princesses were freed. She was his mistress when he rise as king and bore him a son, Aegor (Bittersteel), two weeks before Queen Naerys give birth the princess Daenerys and a stillbirth son, after a painfull labour that brought her to the brink of death. At that point Barba and his father, the Hand, began to speak openly of marriage, and this led to their downfall: Aemon and Daeron, Naerys's brother and son, forced Aegon to send them away.

Melissa Blackwood. Considered the most gentle, kindhearted and modest of the Aegon's mistresses, Melissa, who bore him three children, Mya, Gwenys, and Brynden (Bloodraven), was well loved by court and even managed to become friends with Naerys, Daeron, and Aemon. When, after five years, she realized she was losing the king's favor, she retired gracefully, and the nice memory she left behind at court facilitated the rise of her son Brynden.

Bethany Bracken. Sister of Barba, she was trained with the specific purpose of replacing Melissa and avenging her sister. However, she was caught cheating on the king and executed with her father and her lover.

Jeyne Lothson. Daughter of Falena Stokeworth and her husband, many believed that she was actually Aegon's own daughter, and this led to all sorts of rumors spreading, including that Aegon was having threesome with both mother and daughter at the same time.

Serenei of Lys. Aegon's last mistress, she was considered the most beautiful of them, but the coldest, despite Aegon's calling her "Sweet Serenei", and was accused of being a witch. Last descendant of an ancient and noble but poor Valyrian Lyseni family, she died given the king his last known child, a daughter named Shiera Seastar.

Honorable mention goes to Daena and Elaena Targaryen, who were sisters and Aegon's cousins. Daena had by Aegon a natural son, Daemon Blackfyre, while, although not proven, it is likely that he was also the father of Viserys Plumm, Elaena's son.

[sarcasticsweetlara]

Viserys Plumm being Elaena's mini me, that being why no one could truly confirm Aegon IV was his father. And then Elaena ensuring he marries a Plumm cousin so everyone can be happy and self assured the next generation will have Plumm blood.

Rhaenyra would have been so proud of her.

And Aegon IV being rumored to be Viserys P's father makes sense since in the moment of the conception he was still young and strong, as well as representing some sort of escape for Elaena. (Edit:) I think the rumor started once people wanted to exacerbate Aegon IV's capability of having children and how he benefited from the disregardment of the royal claims of Aegon III's daughters.

And Elaena truly representing the motto of the Plumms is gold: "Come Try Me"

[chic-beyond-the-wall-oc-acct]

Another Daeny ask bc I know you were asking for pairing recommendations, Daeny and Viserys Plumm baby???

Daeny DEFINITELY bullied that poor boy...

Name: Elaena

Gender: female

General Appearance: a round, cherubic face, pale purple eyes and blonde hair

Personality: much like her name sake, Princess Elaena, I think she's definitely the wild child. Strong willed and doesn't take shit from anyone

Special Talents: she's a fantastic tracker. I think she would have picked up going on hunting trips with Daeny but she's just brilliant at it

Who they like better: Viserys

Who they take after more: Daeny

Personal Head canon: she has the most exaggerated laugh in the seven kingdoms. It's not even on purpose. Just the slightest thing will make her turn purple

Face Claim: Bebe Cave

[highgardenart]

Lord Ossifer & Lord Viserys Plumm

“Her first marriage was in 176 AC, to the wealthy but aged Ossifer Plumm, who is said to have died while consummating the marriage. She conceived, however, for Lord Plumm did his duty before he died.”