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Can people please stop being raised with the thought you have to be sexually attracted to someone to truly like them
Cause it fucks with you, it really does
There’s been people I dated and while I was, felt guilty that I couldn’t even picture myself sexually with them, nor did I ever want to.
I’ve broken up with someone I really liked because I wasn’t attracted to them sexually.
And its not just “a phase” or an “age thing” because plenty of other people younger than me, older than me, and my age are sexually active and sexually attracted to people.
But there’s also plenty of other people younger than me, older than me, and my age, thinking theyre broken, or somethings wrong with them, or are undeserving of love because they aren’t attracted to people in that way.
theaceminds I’m tired and that post is old news so tl;dr:
read that diagram again and fuck off you don’t belong simply for being ace/aro that doesn’t make you lgbt shut up and listen to an actual lgbt person about who should and shouldn’t be in the community
i have lgbt friends and they defend asexuals. i have a bisexual friend who tells me asexuals have it harder than anyone, and it’s people like you that are part of the reason why she says that. we are not heterosexual/heteroromantic, and thus we are a sexual orientation in the minority, and we DO get discriminated against, just like you, and just like other lgbt members. we belong in the community, because we certainly dont belong anywhere else. if anyone should fuck off, it’s you.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/without-prejudice/201209/prejudice-against-group-x-asexuals
Today’s Bi Headcanon of The Day is: Aromantic Bisexual Lydia Martin
jfc reducing bisexuality down to ‘people you wanna fuck’ is so effing gross holy shit. Like you realize bisexuality is an orientation in and of itself and changing its meaning to reduce it to sex is super fucking gross especially considering how long same gender attracted ppl have been told our orientations make us dirty gross perverts right? stop this shit. If you need to divvy up romantic and sexual attraction then, whatever tbh but find a new word and stop this shit.
idk I could see this for her character since she’s an extremely sexual person tho?
that response is kind of :// too bc there are rl ppl who id that way and like ok idk for sure but I think the person who submitted this is most likely one of those ppl so????????
tbh all im getting out of lesbianinternetmoms response is that aromantic bisexual people are “dirty gross perverts” lmao thanks (sarcasm for thanks)
and also hi im an (occationally) sex repulsed aromantic bisexual , my sexuality isnt just about who i want to fuck?? sexual attraction doesnt just mean “who i want to fuck” for everyone even if we dont attach romantic attraction to it and even if it was just about sex that doesnt make it a bad identity lmao sex isnt a bad thing
you cant blame oppressed people for their own oppression and the stereotypes used against them
+ ur not even bi no one cares what u have to say about bi stuff, back off
as an aro bi person im?? really hurt lmao that people somehow feel im the one responsible for fucked up stereotypes surrounding the assumptions of hypersexuality in bisexual individuals and not you know gross as fuck biphobic people???
It forever amazes me that people still manage to somehow blame bi people for their own oppression and the oppression of others just by existing.
It’s blatent arophobia and biphobia and I’m not having any of that “allyship”, aro bi people are not the ones that oppress me, you’re orientation is valid and hurting nobody.
I’m an aro bi person who was v excited to see neir fave teen wolf character headcanon’d to be like nem and now feels like garbage for neir orientation lmaaaaaooooooooooo
The only person who should feel like garbage is lesbianinternetmom and their ilk who think aro bisexual headcanons are reducing characters to “dirty sex perverts”.
They are wrong and aromantic bisexual Lydia is a great headcanon, your orientation is just as valid and awesome.
Got bored and made some asexy pics. Follow my facebook page too;) https://www.facebook.com/pages/Asexual-Humor/1009273962420987
Love you all my ace friends (and allies)!
If you think aro and ace people aren’t part of the queer community please get your ass away from me as fast as possible and block and unfollow me so I don’t ever have to see your bullshit again (also if your against demi and bi people too ill fuckin fight you you piece of human trash like your as problematic as the westboro Baptist church, bye!!!!)
people can be dbags…
I’ve been thinking about the whole debate over het aros/aces And I’ve come to a conclusion: Het aros/aces don’t get to reclaim the q slur because it’s never been used against them historically; it’s used for people who are, or are perceived to be, same gender attracted or trans. If you’re cis het aro/ace, you don’t get to reclaim it because you are straight to some degree, the same way a gay aro/ace person is still gay They are welcome in aro/ace spaces! Very welcome because they’re still aro/ace. However, when debates are going on about homophobia/transphobia/etc you need to be quiet and let other people speak because it doesn’t effect you
Conclusion: cis het aros/aces aren’t queer and don’t get to reclaim that identity. But they are very welcome in aro/ace spaces
http://notsoshem.tumblr.com/post/123002253343/autismserenity-oodlenoodleroodle
ACE/ARO PEOPLE ARE QUEER. STOP ALIENATING ACE PEOPLE FROM THE QUEER COMMUNITY. STOP BEING ACEPHOBIC. QUEER QUEER QUEER.
1) I’m not just talking about ace people, acknowledge aros thanks thanks 2) ‘ace people are queer no matter their sexual or romantic orientation’ um. um. first of all: queer is used for same sex attraction or trans people. If someone is cis het aro or cis het ace they’re literally not queer they can’t reclaim the q slur there’s no argument against this???? What are you saying??? 3) ‘queer community’ don’t label people as a slur, don’t refer to it as queer community 4) there are communities where ALL ace people are welcome, as I mentioned. I’m not being acephobic. 5) ‘not an attack on the person who made this post’ so?? What is your point here if not to attack me and call me acephobic???
First of all. It was a pain in the butt to keep writing ace/aro, it should have been clear I meant both.
Second. Queer has historically been used as a slur against ANYBODY who is not having heterosexual sex on the regular. This includes asexuals and aromantics.
Cis/het is generally understood to mean cisgender/heterosexual/heteroromantic. That means that once ONE of those three is changed, that person is no longer cis/het. A person who is cisgender/asexual/heteroromantic is just as queer as somebody who is agender/polysexual/panromantic.
Anybody who falls outside of the cisgender/heterosexual/heteroromantic category is unequivocably queer. And maybe if you’d read that link in my reblog you’d get some facts about why exactly that is.
And if not the queer community, what should we refer to it as? The ‘LG’ community at large already disrespects asexuals and aromantics, so I personally don’t feel comfortable using that term. MOGAI is better, but not enough people use it or know it.
Lastly, that tag that you misquoted was ‘not an attack on the person I reblogged this from’. I dislike getting into fights with people I follow personally.
And you’re saying you’re not being acephobic, but it sure feels like I’m being shuttered out of a community because I’m not allowed to use the word queer so therefore I’m not actually queer. It’s been used as a slur against me, I am reclaiming it as a cisgender/asexual/akiroromantic woman. If it being used against me doesn’t qualify for my reclaiming it, what does?
1) pain in a butt to recognise aro ppl? Okay 2) ‘not having hetero sex on the regular’ so…. Being mistaken for being non-hetero? I read the link, it’s been debunked; I reblogged a post debunking it. 3) nope. Hetero aces and hetero aros only experience hetero attraction, like someone who is heterosexual heteromantic. This means they’re hetero and there’s no other attraction to divert that fact. This is not a bad thing and I don’t know why people are so ashamed to say this. 3) ‘the ‘LG’ community’ nice homophobia, blaming the evil gays. Call it the LGBT+ community, which you’re still welcome in. 4) okay, I apologise for misquoting 5) I’m not shutting you out. I LITERALLY said in the quote you’re still welcome in spaces meant for you. You don’t have to reclaim a slur!! It’s not compulsory in life!! It’s not a terrible thing to not be able to reclaim a slur!! You’re not queer, that’s okay!! Jesus Christ
Woah, okay, you’re seriously excluding aroaces from the queer community? Seriously? I’m pan and nb, so even by your INCREDIBLY NARROW definitions I’d still be considered queer, and your understanding of that word contradicts everything the queer label is supposed to stand for. You’re excluding marginalized identities from a label that is meant to be an INCLUSIVE alternative to the more exclusive LGBT or gay labels.
Aroaces experience marginalization and oppression for their identity. In a society that upholds a stable romantic relationship as the ultimate (and almost sole) indicator of fullfillment and deems people “unnatural” and “broken” for not wanting to have sex, how could you deny that aroaces are oppressed by the same heteronormative apparatus that oppresses YOUR version of “real queers”? And at the same time they deal with this kind of shit from THEIR OWN COMMUNITY. If aroaces aren’t queer, what spaces ARE for them? What magical aroace-specific spaces exist where you live, because I don’t see them.
If aroaces and similar don’t want to identify as queer, that’s fine. But if they DO, possibly because, you know, hetero society HATES THEM, then they’re more than welcome, because that’s what queer is for. This used to be a good blog before it marginalized aroaces from queer spaces. Fuck your acephobic bullshit. Aroaces are queer if they want to be and welcome in queer spaces.
“ your understanding of that word contradicts everything the queer label is supposed to stand for. You’re excluding marginalized identities from a label that is meant to be an INCLUSIVE alternative to the more exclusive LGBT or gay labels. “ I stopped reading after this because your entire premise operates on the idea that queer is a label and not a slur. Fuck your homophobic/transphobic bullshit, it’s not supposed to be inclusive because it’s a slur. I don’t particularly care about being inclusive with regards to a slur. It isn’t meant to be shit besides something used to insult sga people or trans people. Learn that then try to talk about this again.
Along with what cronuts said, how dare you just claim right to a slur that, historically, has not been used against you. Wow, you’ve been called queer, big fucking surprise, anyone who cishets don’t like could be called queer, that doesn’t MAKE you queer or give you the right to use it. While you never SAID gatekeeping, you’ve been using the same rhetoric, so here I’ll put it in simple terms.
What IS gatekeeping: keeping a cis gay person or a straight trans person from the LGBT+ community for not being “queer enough”
What ISN’T gatekeeping: keeping a cishet ace from the LGBT+ community because you aren’t LGBT+
As cronuts said, queer is not a label. I believe some people do use it as one, because they cannot/don’t care to fully identify, but that does not make it a label for anyone to use. It’s a slur used against trans individuals and same gender attracted individuals, nothing more. If you think getting called a slur means you can use it for yourself, then congrats, that logic lets anyone who’s ever played a game online reclaim the r- or f-slurs. Great job!
The argument isn’t “are you lgbt+ (using this rather than “are you queer enough” because stop using a slur that isn’t yours) enough” the argument is “are you lgbt+” which, if you’re a cis man attracted to women, and are either aromantic or asexual, you are not lgbt+, do not belong in lgbt+ spaces, and cannot expect for there to be aroace spaces already in place/as easy to find as lgbt+ spaces.
Think critically for a moment, would you. Trans people are just now REALLY being seen and heard, in 20-fucking-15 thanks to celebrities coming out and transitioning. Times are JUST now changing. You cannot expect there to already be a framework for aroace spaces to exist, your community must work to build those because you do not belong to ours. End of discussion.
I literally do not know where to begin with this. First of all, what do you THINK the “+” in LGBT+ stands for? The A doesn’t stand for Ally, you know.
Also, queer has its historical roots as a slur, but today it’s also widely used as “a political statement, as well as a sexual orientation, which advocates breaking binary thinking by recognizing both sexual orientation and gender identity as potentially fluid”. So hey, again, fuck your INCREDIBLY NARROW definitions of “queer”.
But the MOST IMPORTANT part of all this is this quote of yours: “your community must work to build those because you do not belong to ours”. You couldn’t be more right, actually. I, a multiple-gender-attracted non-binary person of color, am not part of your community. The White Cis Gays ™ have always hated queer People of Color. We get it. Thanks for reminding me why we have to make QPOC spaces. And our spaces actually try to be inclusive of all queer-identified people of color.
(Also, when have cis gays ever been excluded from the LGBT+ community?? What fictional history is this from?)
I’m here, I’m real fucking queer, so fuck off, white boy.
The A stands for Agender as far as I’m concerned, since many nb people don’t want to be lumped in with the trans community. Also, get off dictionary dot com with that shit, I don’t care what some textbook definition, that isn’t what queer is.
I really, just, what are you trying to say here? When did I ever specify “your community” meaning your race. When did I ever specify “your community” meant you specifically. You made a post on why cishet aces are queer. I assumed, then, you were a cishet ace. I was talking, surprise surprise, about cishet aces. You, a polysexual nonbinary person, do indeed, belong to the LGBT+ community and belong in LGBT+ spaces. Sorry you took a general statement as a personal insult.
And, really, when did I ever insinuate cis gays were excluded? I never fucking said that, don’t put words in my mouth. I’m the community I belong in from people who don’t belong in it.
There is no fucking point to bring race in here. I’m sorry if I caused some microaggression or something, but I never once brought race into it, it has no baring on the discussion at all. You’re just using it to make yourself out to be the victim to a crime that we’re not even talking about.
“The White Cis Gays ™ have always hated queer People of Color.We get it. Thanks for reminding me why we have to make QPOC spaces. And our spaces actually try to be inclusive of all queer-identified people of color. “
I understand the need for QPOC spaces as much as I understand the need to address lesbophobia in addition to homophobia. However, again, I never said anything about race, why did you bother bringing this up. I’m glad your spaces include whoever you want, that’s great! I’m glad you, like I, are allowed to use and reclaim queer and have chosen to do so! But cishet aces aren’t queer no matter how much they want to be special snowflakes to belong. They’re straight people. End of story. “Queer-identified” is not a thing. Please stop using a slur multiple people have asked to be buried as an umbrella term. Besides the fact that the term “queer identified” sounds like a MOGAI thing to let kinksters and pedophiles in, since, by your description, queer is anyone who’s orientation or identity is marginalized. Here’s a handy little chart for you:
i dont think you really have any right to say cishet aro/aces dont belong in the lgbtqia+ community. they are NOT straight, that is the whole point of them identifying as ASEXUAL. there is a whole part of the heterosexual experience that they don’t relate to and feel ALIENATED, EXCLUDED, and BROKEN for. they are not just trying to be “special snowflakes”. these people get discriminated against, by family, friends, etc. you can argue that they shouldn’t identify with the reclamation of the slur “queer”, but don’t you dare tell us that we have no place in a non-straight/cis community, because we’re not heterosexual/romantic, we get discriminated against, we don’t identify with the rest of society, and we need a safe-place. that’s the whole point.
recently, i’ve been thinking about my journey through labels and why representation is so important and it’s because for 9 years i said i was bi, not because i was, but because i had no idea anything more than LGBT existed and i knew i looked at girls the same way i looked at boys
then i said i was pan because i never considered someone’s gender in whether i deemed them attractive because it didn’t matter to me and well, that’s what i learned pansexual was
but i finally settled on asexual because i was never taught (until i taught myself) about different types of attraction. logically, i knew the difference between romantic and platonic and familial, but in many cultures, aesthetic=sexual and the separation isn’t considered, so for years, i was thinking just because i found someone attractive, i should want to have sex with them even though i never even considered sex an option for me
and this is why we should be teaching about what exists because for 10 years of my life, i didn’t understand myself because i never had the resources to show that asexuality existed
Ok, so, no. Asexuals cannot claim the word queer for their own use. Asexuals can feel broken and hurt and like they don't have a place and uncomfortable, but this isn't based on systematic oppression through power. LGBT people have been beaten up, murdered, abused, denied reproductive rights, denied marriage, denied adoptive rights, segregated, suffered violent language (incl queer). Heteromantic Asexuals are made to feel bad for not having sex. No comparison. You do not get to take queer.
I am so tired of having to fight this fight but the fact is, somebody’s gotta do it, and this keeps coming up in here because I don’t know, our blog is apparently a magnet for invalidating, identity policing acephobes.
Anyone who is not cisgender, heterosexual, and/or heteroromantic is free to reclaim queer at their discretion.
Asexuals have experienced all the same sorts of oppression you just listed off. Sometimes because of being asexual - have you ever thought about domestic violence, marital rape, corrective rape, and specifically acephobic language when you think of oppression? Because that’s our reality. Sometimes the oppression an asexual faces looks a lot like the homophobia you’re used to - because some aces are in relationships with someone of the same gender. Do not try to play the oppression olympics. It’s bullshit. All oppression is bad. It doesn’t matter “who has it worse” - we all have it bad, and in very similar ways.
Then to go a step further and say that specifically heteroromantic asexuals don’t get to reclaim queer… you are identity policing. You are saying “I’m sorry, the fact that you like people of a different gender in some capacity means you are too straight to be here.” Do you say that to bisexual folks? To pansexual folks? No? Oh, right, because it’s a load of bullshit. A person can still be attracted in some capacity to people of a different gender and still be queer.
Do not come into our space and tell us that we aren’t oppressed or oppressed enough. We are erased. We are beaten down and broken to the point where asexuals are afraid to even realize their own sexuality because of how they will be treated and the rights they will be denied.
Asexuals are specifically excluded from non-discrimination laws in many places, where the identities that people can’t be discriminated against are listed out and asexual is not included in the list. Asexuals experience more bigotry from straight people than homosexuals do, and we get the added bonus of bigotry from other queer people too. Asexuals have been subject to corrective rape. Asexuals in relationships are subjected to domestic violence and marital rape. Asexuals are bullied and insulted - maybe “inhuman” and “broken” don’t sound like the insults you’re used to, but that doesn’t make them hurt less. Some young aces experience anxiety and depression and suicidal thoughts like many other queer people because of their orientation. Asexuals who come out are sometimes disowned, cut off, thrown out of their houses, etc by parents. Wow, when it’s laid out, it sounds like… we experience the same thing other queer people do!
Give me a break, anon. Pull your head out of your ass and learn some fucking empathy.
-Kiowa
ace people can't identify as queer IF they're heteroromantic or aromantic and cis... Queer is a slur born out of hatred towards people who weren't straight or cis, and those are the only people who get to reclaim it. I would be super glad if you could change your FAQ to include this. Not all ace people are queer!
Not gonna happen.
Queer as it’s been reclaimed is for anyone who is not cisgender, heterosexual, or heteroromantic. All asexuals are not heterosexual. Therefore, all asexuals can identify as queer if they so choose.
What you’re doing is identity policing and erasing the oppression that even heteroromantic and aromantic aces face. You’re saying “because you appear to be cishet, your oppression isn’t enough to count.” You’re telling people “your experiences don’t count“ and that’s garbage, anon. What you’re doing is a different flavor of the same erasure asexuals face from cishets.
Just because an asexual appears to be cishet to the uninformed observer doesn’t mean they are, or that they’re treated that way. Asexuals can have a really hard time interacting with cishet folks because we don’t understand their feelings and motivations, and they don’t understand ours - but we are expected to figure it out and pretend to behave like them, while they get away with belittling and bullying us. We’re discriminated against at a higher rate than other non-heterosexual orientations - and this is regardless of romantic orientation. Yes, homoromantic, biromantic, panromantic, and different grayromantic orientations have it “worse” in that we get homophobia on top of acephobia, but this is not about who has it worse. It’s about the fact that we all have it.
When you say that only some asexuals can reclaim queer, you’re ignoring the fact that all of us face erasure, discrimination, invalidation, abuse, assault, and other mistreatment at the hands of cishets - and sometimes at the hands of our fellow queer people. You’re making attraction to the same gender, in some capacity, or not identifying with the gender assigned at birth the requirements for being queer, and you’re isolating people who don’t fit those requirements, but still aren’t cishet and still don’t fit in there. You are taking a safe space and a community of sympathetic and empathetic people away from folks, leaving them out in the cold.
Don’t be that asshole, anon. Don’t abandon people because they don’t fit your narrow view of what queer should be. Recognize that the world is run by and for cishet folks, and all asexuals are, by definition, not cishet. We don’t belong there; we belong here. Asexuals are queer, regardless of their romantic orientation.
-Kiowa
Adding onto this because I agree with Kiowa 100%. I also think it’s important to note that this Anon specifically states that it’s a slur for people who “aren’t straight or cis.” You know who’s not straight? Heteroromantic Aces.
Yes, heteroromantic and cisgender aces get to “pass” as straight, whether they like it or not. You know who also gets that? Pan, bi, and poly people in relationships with people of a different gender, especially cis ones. Does that make them any less queer if they have a partner of a different gender? No. It’s the same for ace people.
We will not tolerate this hate and invalidation on this blog. I 100% support all aces. Every. Last. One. This is a safe space for them.
-Kieren
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Hey
This is great.
I am honestly so supportive of young women and girls who don’t want to present themselves as sexual, whether they’re asexual, sex-repulsed, politically celibate, women who don’t want to feel or be sexy, or women who just don’t want to discuss it. I’m supportive whether this is something temporary or permanent, whatever the reason for it. If sex isn’t liberating for you, that’s great. There’s nothing wrong with that and I’m sorry you’re being sold the lie that you’re repressed and/or unfeminist.
Thank you
Don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise!
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This is a message to all spectrums of ace peeps out there, from the Ace Trainers: Me, kynimdraws and shoelesscosmonaut!
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Person: of course I support everyone !! :) heteros, lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgenders and... (looks at smudged writing on hand) avocados
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