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Genuinely baffled by arguments which insist that it’s only Jiang Cheng who has to improve himself instead of being jealous or insecure, that Wei Wuxian should heal away from him because Jiang Cheng is a source of toxicity.

First of all, they’re both dumbasses. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Second of all, Jiang Cheng’s parents were assholes who simultaneously made him believe he was inherently not good enough to save their shitty marriage and also that that was because of Wei Wuxian, his brother and best friend whom he chooses again and again to love in spite of all of this. He then had his entire clan and sect slaughtered; chose to sacrifice himself to save his brother, whom he loves by the way in case you missed that, thereby giving up the chance to avenge his family and sect; and had nonconsensual surgery performed on him (and lied to about it repeatedly for the next decade).

He then had to take over running a small nation all by himself because Wei Wuxian, his brother who promised to stand by his side, fucks off to demonic cultivation and pushes him away with absolutely no explanation; is extremely socially disrespectful while being a representative of their already vulnerable sect; causes a massive political scandal which includes threatening to kill a sect leader’s nephew and murdering a whole bunch of people with a zombie; and hits with pinpoint accuracy every last one of Jiang Cheng’s insecurities about not being good enough for the people he loves to stay with him while still refusing to offer an explanation. And in response to all of this, Jiang Cheng:

(1) Arranges for a staged fight so that Wei Wuxian can continue protecting the Wens without political ramifications to the Jiang sect. (Something that Wei Wuxian also wants by the way because the safety of their sect is important to him, too!)

(2) Brings their sister to Yiling for a surprise wedding dress and incoming nephew reveal so that Wei Wuxian can still be a part of the celebration, and then gives Wei Wuxian the opportunity to name their sister’s first born son and tries his very best to ask Wei Wuxian to come home.

(3) Is still perfectly agreeable to having Wei Wuxian, a year later, come to their nephew’s one-month birthday celebration and reinstated into their sect.

What Jiang Cheng gets in return is Wei Wuxian refusing to come home and walking away from him; Wei Wuxian losing control of his emotional support zombie who ends up fatally punching their brother-in-law through the heart and making their sister a grieving widow; Wei Wuxian recklessly taking on the entire cultivation world and losing control of his demon magic that he swore up and down that he had under control which gets their sister killed; and Wei Wuxian dying and leaving him alone with an orphaned infant nephew. And in response all of this, Jiang Cheng:

(1) Never gets any dogs.

(2) Doesn’t alert anyone that Wei Wuxian has returned to life.

(3) Allows Wei Wuxian to be near Jin Ling.

(4) Keeps Chenqing safe for 13/16 years, then returns it and not only allows but trusts Wei Wuxian to play it in front of their nephew without getting their favorite people killed again.

Did Jiang Cheng believe, do, and say some fucked up shit that he should reflect pretty hard on? Of course! Who didn’t? This was never a story about perfect characters.

But someone did most of the walking away in this sibling relationship regardless of how sympathetic and heartbreaking his reasons were, and it wasn’t Jiang Cheng. He has a right to be angry about Wei Wuxian’s reckless regard for his own life and the disastrous consequences it had for both of them and their family, and it isn’t because he’s fucking jealous.

Lastly, Wei Wuxian is not a hapless innocent victim who can do no wrong. Please stop treating my wonderfully complex and violently pragmatic disaster son with both a heart of gold and a kind of love that can destroy the entire world like he is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

thefandomcache

#jc is not perfect by any means #but pretending WWX is a saint or excusing everything he does while demonizing jiang cheng? #misguided at best and at worst hypocritical

#mdzs #the untamed #cql #jiang cheng #wei wuxian

bizarrelittlemew

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ladybonheur

Why I am so let down by live action Bumi

Let me start by saying this: Utkarsh Ambudkar is a hell of an actor. He nailed Bumi's mannerisms and brought this character to life in a way that I had previously thought impossible. I couldn't be happier about how the played the character and he is now the Bumi in my heart as much as the animated one.

My issue with Bumi in the ATLA live action series is (as many of my issues with this series are) the writing. And how Bumi was made much more callous and sometimes even cruel than his animated counterpart. I am not talking about his "tough love" approach to Aang and trying to teach him a lesson about how in war we must make impossible choices. This was a change, yes, but not necessarily a bad one; the message works, it makes sense. My problem is with how it was delivered and how Bumi interacts with people, including people other than Aang.

So let's back up a little. We meet Bumi and soon after he starts yelling a series of strange ingredients before clarifying it is for tea. So here the viewer is introduced to a bit of his eccentricity. So far so good.

The tea arrives, it taste terrible because of the ingredients Bumi himself chose. His reaction? Throw the glass on the floor, yell and the servant, and send him away rudely with simply a wave of his hand.

That was the first time that I was appalled by the live action Bumi. Because he was terribly rude, if not cruel, to a servant. For no reason other than establishing to the viewers "hey, this guy is kinda crazy right?". But of course, there are tons of ways of doing that without taking it out on the servants. So here we are given the impression that, besides being "kinda crazy", Bumi is also downright mean to those who are under his authority. Which is (1) not developed further, (2) not even acknowledged, and (3) entirely in contrast with the Bumi we see in the animated series.

Moving on to the feast. Unlike the animated series, Sokka and Katara are absent in this scene. But instead of having only Bumi and Aang share the meal, we have a lot of well-dressed people who laugh at whatever Bumi says and seem to have no idea what's going on. Actually, I have no idea what they are doing there. Are they nobles? Rich merchants? Palace staff? Why is Bumi entertaining them? We don't know. Nothing is said about, they are never acknowledged. They are just there. But their mere presence raises a bunch of questions about worldbuilding and characterization.

Can Bumi really spare his resources to offer these people a lavish meal when his city is going through a rough period and attacks against civilians are made on the streets in broad daylight? Are they connections that he needs to keep happy? Is this serving a greater objective? Does he simply not care?

And I am asking this questions because of Bumi's main characteristic, the one we see highlighted throughout the animated series: he's a genius. A mad genius. Yes, some of his actions seem random and difficult to comprehend but when we look back, they have all been extremely calculated and served a greater goal. We see that especially in season 2, when he apparently does nothing to contain the Fire Nation's taking over Omashu. So what is his goal in giving these people attending the feast privileges when the city is in such a dire situation? We don't know and probably never will because, again, the presence of these people is not even acknowledged. This is a stark contrast to the animated series, when we see only Team Avatar sharing the meal with Bumi. We see no mention of nobles or privileged classes in the animated series' Omashu. Simply put, in the animated series we are not given any indication that Bumi is the kind of king that cares about social privileges. So why would he care in the live action series? And if he does, doesn't that go against his whole "war is hard, tough choices" speech?

Lastly, there is the way he talks to Aang about the air nomads. Yes, I understand that he was trying to rile Aang up and later teach him a lesson about the cruelty of war. Which is why he starts by saying that it must have been nice to be frozen in ice for 100 years. But then Aang mentions the genocide against the air nomads. Bumi's reply?

This is more than just riling Aang up. To me, this is belittling an entire people that was decimated. He could have pushed Aang's without making fun of his people - could have talked about how Aang "abandoned" them, how Aang never had any sense of responsibility. But he turns the killing of air nomads into a joke. This goes beyond establishing Bumi as eccentric or tough. At least to me, this is cruel.

And the fact remains that the Bumi in the animated series was never cruel. Even when we don't know his true identity and still think that he might be an antagonist. And in the end, when everything is revealed, we learn that Sokka and Katara were never in real danger. There are some lines that animated Bumi never crossed. Live action Bumi? We don't see that kind of care. Actually, the callousness that he shows in these scenes gives me the impression that he might, in fact, be willing to put innocent people in danger to teach Aang a lesson. Anyway, that is a subjective impression but it doees not change the fact that live action Bumi was (1) cruel to people under his authority; (2) apparently favouring rich people with lavish meals when his city was struggling; and (3) making callous jokes about a people who were victims of a genocide. And I didn't like the Bumi that did those things. I didn't like it at all. That is not my Bumi.

#atla

cassassinated

I miss the days when, no matter how slow your internet was, if you paused any video and let it buffer long enough, you could watch it uninterrupted

mythicalwashrag

useful-info-haver

If you use Firefox, you can go to the about:config page, search for "media.mediasource.enabled" and double click on it to set it to false. After you restart Firefox, all youtube videos will load entirely even when paused! This also affects other streaming websites :)

versilperihelion

media.mediasource.enabled on its own didn't work for me, but with these two additions it seemingly loaded a whole 40 minutes test video in like ten seconds. seems this might not have worked fully for some so yall's mileage may vary i guess

transarsonist

the other two additions alone didnt work for me, i also had to disable the source so it seems like all 3 might need enabled? ymmv im gonna try turning off my internet and seeing what ACTUALLY loaded and what just Appeared to load. stand by for report back

transarsonist

reporting back: it actually buffered the ENTIRE video in 1080p like i told it to, 30 minutes of content in a couple seconds. wow. my internet is faster than i thought it was

#internet

slytherinzidian

One of my pet peeves in this fandom is the way the fandom acts like wei wuxian was raising a-yuan, not in fanfic (though there too depending on how it's done), but when they actually wholeheartedly believe this and use this in meta etc... They call wwx his dad/ father figure as if he didn't have a whole family with him who helped take care of him. Granny, Wen Qing etc would be the ones raising Wen Yuan (you know, the *women* who esp in a setting like that would likely be the ones in charge of child rearing?). Wei Wuxian was like the fun elder brother that played with him on occasion

This is what he was doing... playing. This does not a dad make. And he calls wwx brother - likely gege, he doesn't see wwx as his dad.

He did cry for his dad while in front of lwj, but he had literally been scared and lost after being separated from wwx... actually i kind of wonder what his real dad looks like bcuz 👀.. but uh while people around interpreted this as a-yuan calling lwj his dad, I actually saw it more as he was lost and scared and called out for his dad instinctively bcuz that's what little kids do, they want their parents when they're afraid...i also don't think he was calling lwj dad despite what wwx teased, bcuz of the simple fact that lwj scared him.. he was crying *for* his dad

This is heartbreaking honestly. A-Yuan wanted his dad and cried for him, yet his dad was no longer around.

I think a lot of people use him as a prop for wangxian's 'happy family' and they ignore that this child had a family and lost them. They use him and his lost family as mostly two things 1) a bludgeon to criticise the chars they hate like jc (ignoring how much a-yuan's life resembles both jc and jl's to an extent) and 2) to make wangxian seem like a complete family bcuz of course they need to have a child to make them a 'real' family right?

((Uh also, I have *thoughts* about how Lan Wangji literally gave Wen Yuan the name Lan *Sizhui* which was essentially him pining over losing wwx as it means something to the effect of to yearn for... lsz didn't get a name for himself (neither did jl bcuz wwx kinda hinted to lwj with the name he gave him...). I feel it was a really uncool thing to do on his part. This ended up being an homage to his dead crush which.. not a cool thing to do to a child when that's now his name...

There are so many other ways he could have honored and remembered wwx other than giving the kid a name that had nothing to do with him or his hopes for lsz in the future but rather bcuz 'wwx is dead and i am sad and pining for him and wy is the representation of what wwx wanted to protect so i'm just gonna name him yearning bcuz i yearn for wwx who can never come back'... This isn't romantic, it's just sad for all involved))

I kind of rambled a bit there but, point is, wwx was the fun brother not the responsible dad. He loved to tease wen yuan. He also got scolded a lot by wen qing for playing around and fooling a-yuan.

Aside from playing with a-yuan when he was free, he was holed up in his cave or running around. He certainly wasn't doing parenting.

And lwj took in lsz it's true, but it was mostly for wwx's sake cuz lsz was all that was left of wwx. Sure maybe he'd have helped anyway if he found a sick kid that wasn't connected to wwx, but the only reason he treated lsz specially was because of wwx. It's incredibly annoying to me therefore when people act like its canon that they are his dads, and before anyone jumps on to the post to say 'oh nobody believes this blah blah and how they've never seen it before' well buddy, bcuz YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I *have* seen it... many, many, mannyyy times... stated with all confidence that they are his dads in relation to posts about canon

Though of course there are also fanfics where u can tell the author actually believes this to be canon as well.

Wen Yuan had a whole family and lost them, yet fandom makes him out to be wangxian's kid so it's okay right? He lost them for a good cause apparently (going 'travelling' on night hunts with them together and having to be put in awkward positions and apologise to the client for them bcuz wwx wakes up late and they spent the night on 'everyday'.. peak kid energy for real) (this is sarcasm...a little).

Also uh wwx died in his early twenties, by the time he meets lsz they're probably like 6 years apart at most.. lsz def isn't going to be seeing him as a dad figure... and if he taught lsz anything it was this:

So.. yeah... big brother wwx was fun but not parent material.

slytherinzidian

Adding this solid comment

Because this is it exactly! And the fact that he makes the joke about a-yuan calling lwj dad is just that, a joke.. he was teasing a-yuan, it wasn't serious and both narration and a-yuan's denial show it's just wwx's teasing bcuz that's what he loves to do/ it's his personality... i also don't think he'd disrespect lsz's actual family like that by genuinely claiming parenthood of him (esp when wen ning is right there)

Not only was he teasing a-yuan, he was teasing lan wangji too! When he claimed a-yuan as his, it was bcuz he enjoyed riling up lwj, not because he viewed a-yuan as truly his kid. This wasn't him playing at being a parent, it was him pulling lwj's metaphorical pigtails.

ALSO, this scene here makes me sooo sad for A-Yuan

When wwx asks him who is higher in seniority than dad and brother (bcuz he teased wy and didn't want to be called brother), A-Yuan says Mom.

Poor thing. He cried for his dad upon seeing the scary stern face of lwj when he was lost and then shows that he thinks mom is higher than dad and brother :(

(love that he doesn't wanna call wwx mom though, like 'that's so weird' ahaha you tell him a-yuan XD)

edit: literally just saw another post claiming little wen yuan saw lwj as a dad and 🙃 of course the reblog tags etc call wwx his other dad (unless this is specifically cql which maybe this works for, then this just ain't canon ppl T-T have happy family aus all u want but pls...i beg... popular fanon does not canon make)

mikkeneko

One thing I wanna add here, is that I really don't think LWJ's motives for taking in A-Yuan need to be put under a microscope, since selflessness is not a requirement for fatherhood anyway (people have kids for selfish reasons all the time, the most immediately relevant to the story reason is to have an heir.) But Lan Wangji is not A-Yuan's father for a simpler reason: he says he's not.

Or rather, he says "Hanguang-jun was like a brother and a father to me," and that is just not something that anyone says about their actual parent, that they were LIKE A father to me.

Lan Wangji would not have been able to act in a fully parental capacity towards A-Yuan for the straightforward reason that he was both medically and behaviorally immobilized for multiple years during a critical period of Lan Yuan's development. Somebody else had to have stepped in, whether it be Lan Xichen, Lan Qiren, the never-mentioned-but-existence-implied Lan collective creche system, or most likely some combination of the three.

However.

While all this is true (and I am in agreement with the OP that WWX and LWJ are not A-Yuan's parents, for any typical nuclear family definition!) I feel that the text is actively trying to tell us something about these roles here. Because a consistent, repeated theme of MDZS is the blurring of roles between sibling and parent, the parentification of siblings, the way that older siblings try (and don't always succeed) at covering for their younger siblings when the parents, for whatever reason, cannot fill that role.

We see this SO MANY times in MDZS. So many. Jiang Yanli acts as a parent, primarily for Wei Wuxian but also to some degree Jiang Cheng, because their parents are not interested in doing so. Nie Mingjue acted as a parent towards Nie Huaisang, his younger half-brother, because their parents were gone. Lan Xichen acts parental towards Lan Wangji in addition to their primary caretaker being Lan Qiren, another parent-brother. Wen Qing acts as a parent towards Wen Ning. Even Wen Yuan had a sister, before the Jin killed her. All these siblings, doing their best to fill in for absent parents.

Wei Wuxian acted as an older brother to Wen Yuan. Lan Wangji was something like both a father and brother to Lan Yuan. Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are both parent and sibling to Lan Sizhui and I think the muddling of roles is entirely intentional. The thesis of MDZS is to say, over and over, there is not a solid binary division of the two.

slytherinzidian

And I agree with you! Mdzs has a lot of implicit commentary on parents and parenthood and siblings needing to take on roles the adults should be handling etc. and dysfunctional families and all that.

I'm just annoyed at the way fandom ignores A-Yuan's actual family simply because they want that happy nuclear wangxian family and they don't care that it's not as straightforward as all that. I dislike his birth family being treated as only a tool to hate on other characters with like oh look they died bcuz of *insert horrible terrible no good character here* and wwx *raised* him and was his dad (despite wen yuan himself not seeing him this way) and he saw lwj as his dad from the beginning how cute! Wx has a son together it was fate xoxo...

And someone else pointed out in another post that even in happy fix it aus, a-yuan is still an orphan... Yes this is fanfic but.. there's a telling attitude.. he's a prop for the fandom. Someone else made a very good point in saying that a happy fix it au for A-Yuan is to never have needed to be raised by wwx or lwj at all, but you rarely see this.

It just irks me lol because you see sooo many people just straight up considering this canon. Like in meta/analysis or posts that are about canon or just like it being said as if it's a given. I've also seen a few people, one commented on a dif post of mine just recently, say how they came to the novel bcuz the fandom made them think wx were married with a son (and felt baited when this was not the case).

Also saw a post tagged with the novel claiming that a-yuan took one look at lwj and saw him as dad material. It's just straight up not what happens in the novel though? He's scared of lwj when he first met him. And maybe they were saying it jokingly idk but the amount of comments agreeing with them, then there were people saying his other dad is the yllz so he wasn't afraid of hgj and... this is legit the opposite of what actually happened.

These are just fanon ideas that have taken over and are now widely taken as canon by the fandom.

TLDR: Wwx *helped* to raise a-yuan by being like a fun older brother. But he didn't raise a-yuan. And to make it seem like *he* was a-yuan's primary caregiver who was helped by the wen remnants to raise a-yuan as if a-yuan were his kid and he was just unable to raise him on his own...when it was exactly the opposite scenario, is what irks me.

Also, just clarifying that this was meant as a rant post about my annoyance and not necessarily an exploration of parental / sibling relationships on the whole in the novel which would take an entirely different and longer post to get into than I have energy for 😅

slytherinzidian

Re: The apparently common/popular interpretation that Yqy's reaction to SJ picking LBH at the trials being 'telling' and indicative of some sort of general reputation for abusing talented disciples, I suppose this is truly just a matter of interpretation, however I've always seen it as SY being the unreliable narrator he is and misunderstanding what yqy's reaction is about *because* he has foreknowledge and assumes that this is the case. SY actually never does know what YQY is thinking or feeling in that moment, he *guesses*. Again this is not clear cut but there are many moments in the narrative where SY does this exact same thing.

This is verrryyy clearly shen yuan's own feelings and thoughts. He actually knows nothing about what yqy is actually thinking and projects his own 'foreknowledge' and the things he takes for granted that he knows, onto the narrative. (I don't rem if at this point he even knows about yqy's history with sj either, so that means he is totally lacking backstory about sj and yqy and remembering how in the beginning he calls sj yqy's killer... well sy is incredibly unreliable and often posits his own feelings as what the other chars must be feeling and thinking.)

But my point is, yqy's expression isn't an indication that he shares SY's views. No, what is actually going on in this scene doesn't have anything contextually to do with sj's alleged abusive behaviours. What it *does* have to do with however, is sj's rivalry with lqg, which yqy disapproves of, and which, just a few minutes before lbh was chosen, was exactly the topic at hand.

When SJ says he wants LBH as a disciple, he just essentially 'stole' him from LQG who said he found LBH talented. It seems far more likely in my opinion, that *that* is what YQY is actually reacting to. We know that he has berated SJ in the past for antagonising LQG. Then we see him in this moment essentially going after a disciple that LQG found promising and using YQY to get his way.

Besides, the disciple selection trial is for the peak lords to find talents. That is literally what they're there for. To find talented disciples or disciples with potential to take into their peaks. If YQY didn't want SJ taking talented disciples in because he worried that SJ would abuse them, then he'd be worried about SJ being at the selection trials and intending to find a disciple in the first place, he wouldn't just stare only when SJ 'chose a good seedling' like SY is thinking here. The *entire* point of disciple selection trials is to find good seedlings!!! That's literally why they're all here doing this.

Thinking this way, that he is worried about sj taking in talented disciples, but is only reacting when sj decides to choose one rather than being anxious the entire time that sj *would* find one, doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any sense logically for yqy to only *now* be worried about SJ choosing a disciple. He would have been there anyway looking for a disciple with talent. So shouldn't yqy have been a well of anxiety the entire time standing there, hoping some talent didn't catch his 'abusive' shidi's eyes, rather than when he saw sj pointing specifically to one disciple.

The one disciple that his rival, lqg, pointed out first?

It isn't that yqy is worried that sj will abuse this disciple imo at all. It's that sj chose the boy lqg thought could make the cut.

SJ could have chosen another disciple. It's just that LQG spotted this one first and NYY wanted a shidi/shimei so he killed two birds with one stone and picked the kid that lqg pointed out so there would be no opportunity for the kid to go join bai zhan. Yqy did ask lqg if he wanted him and though lqg said he would find his way there if he wanted, he clearly thought the boy had merit and this was the way bai zhan did things, it's not a stretch to think that yqy has already thought of lbh as someone lqg will look out for on his peak.

When SJ 'scorns' talent as not guaranteeing any achievement, it isn't that he necessarily even believes this. He is saying this to *Liu Qingge* a man he enjoys going against. Anything lqg said, sj would have said the opposite.

And then of course Lqg pokes his sore spot and says compared to cultivating at 16, any achievement would be greater (that natural talent lbh would have)

Now, Sy also has another observation here. And *this* one is far more reliable. Why? Why this and not his other 'observations?'

Because contextually we actually have evidence for this. It *was* because of lqg that sj chose lbh. Whereas before all we had was sy's thoughts and feelings with no information to back it up save sy's 'foreknowledge' of lbh's treatment which clearly was poisoning the well here.

The reason sj was bent on getting lbh, was because of lqg.

Sy notices it now and has actual evidence for it because we literally see it play out.

So if Sy can see it and we can see it, what makes you think yqy can't see it? Yqy who is well accustomed to their rivalry and hatred of each other over the years. Yqy who well knows that sj is taking that specific boy in to essentially spite lqg so nyy can have a shidi and lqg can lose a talent.

(And this is speculation that i don't think yqy would be thinking but rather sj, but maybe he also took lbh so sqq could *prove* to lqg that innate talent didn't mean achievement hence the false cultivation manual etc. to hinder lbh.. which actually also doesn't prove that he abuses talented disciples in general, but would show it's lbh specifically *bcuz* of lqg poking sj's sore spot about the innate talent and reaching the right time to cultivate + sj's jealousy of lbh after hearing lbh talk about his mother)

Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself a hundred times, my point is that, at least in my opinion, the far more likely explanation for yqy's expression when he saw sj pointing at lbh and saying he wanted that one, wasn't bcuz he was concerned about sj abusing a talented disciple, but rather that he was not happy that sj chose to take the disciple lqg pointed out and might have expected to see try out for bai zhan.

It makes no sense for yqy to only behave strangely once he saw the specific disciple that sj picked when he's been talking about how there's no harm in looking to see which ones are good. Their entire purpose there is to see who is good. If yqy was worried about sj just picking a talent, he'd be worried the entire time. The only reason he was *suddenly* acting strangely when he saw who sj picked out wasn't bcuz of the boy's talent or for fear of him being in danger from sqq, it was bcuz of the rivalry once again between yqy's shidis that he hates and has scolded them for multiple times including literally just a few minutes ago.

Context is important. In this context the only person thinking of abuse and sj's rep is not yqy, but shen yuan, who knows what befalls all the characters here. Those feelings are projected very blatantly onto yqy. They're not rooted in evidence *in this moment* and the context itself does not support it imo.

Also just a bit of a fun headcanon here: when yqy sees who sj points at.. he 'started' ie got startled. And then began to mumble to himself, not really answering sj when he said he wanted lbh... so what if when yqy finally took a look at our boy lbh, he saw tianlang-jun's face staring back at him? he's the only one who participated in the siege (unless the rest of them did too but i just rem him?) so he's the only one who knows what the demon lord looks like. Maybe he just thinks of it as a coincidence, but the way he reacted... it didn't seem like it had to do with sj to me honestly. But there is no evidence for this really lol but i still think it's compelling.

rainy-days-and-cabbage

Doesn’t YQY later state at the Shou Hua Temple ‘We all had weird dreams’ meeting that he noticed that LBH resembled SXY who he had met at an immortal alliance conference previously? The startle might have been looking up and seeing a mini version of the woman who “died at the hands of the evil demon lord he helped imprison”. A mini version that would have been the right age to be her son with TLJ but of course her pregnancy wasn’t common knowledge so he might have shelved the idea as him being paranoid or having unresolved guilt on the matter.

slytherinzidian

I'm not sure, I don't remember if he did, some details of the book escape my memory, but if this is true then dang, I have evidence now for my theory that lbh looks like, well i said tlj but really any parent works! Maybe he *did* look over and see the ghost of sxy in lbh's face. I mean come on why would he look up and give a start to see who sqq picked when they've just been discussing that the boy has natural talent? It's just that lbh was digging in the dirt (i think? this is the trial no?) and he probably didn't take a good look at him until sqq pointed him out again.

He is visibly startled here and muttering to himself. This is out of the ordinary. He already knows of sqq and lqg's rivalry so why should he be so startled at sqq's choice? Even though I think that if he looks odd it def isn't bcuz of what sy thinks, the only other reason with evidence in the scene itself is that he's not exactly happy about the rivalry, but my other view which has less evidence (unless as u said, he does think lbh looks like sxy and always had) is that when yqy takes a proper look at lbh, he's faced with a face that he doesn't expect to see and is trying to work out something hence the muttering and seemingly 'ignoring' sqq who's talking to him.

At this point sy himself doesn't know who lbh's parents are and he also doesn't know much about these characters backstories so he would not connect yqy being the chief person to help seal tlj under a mountain for 'crimes' against sxy and humanity, with seeing lbh, who is an orphan, and thinking of his parentage. Esp. since that part of yqy's past is just vague backstory in pidw. Sy would never connect those dots. And even if he knew the backstory, he was too focused on the protag and scum villain so all his thoughts revolved around them which is why he projects his feelings about sj onto yqy here.

We never learn exactly what yqy is muttering. Even if that line about him thinking of lbh looking like sxy isn't canon, this is still fact. We don't actually know why yqy started upon seeing who sqq was looking at and why he started muttering to himself or what.

So yes, my hc is definitely that yqy got the shock of his life upon seeing lbh's face and that he was trying to calculate his age and what it might mean.

rainy-days-and-cabbage

I don’t have access to the official translation so had to use an online fan translation to find it. But Chapter 70: In Zhou Temple 3 { Yue Qingyuan's knuckles slowly brushed against the hilt of the Xuan Su sword as he spoke: "I have met senior Su Xiyan once a few years ago during the Immortal Alliance Conference. Luo Binghe certainly bears a strong resemblance to his mother. Initially, I put it off as mere coincidence. After all, in this whole wide world, there are many who share similar features. But for him to carry half of the blood of a demon, it can no longer be a coincidence." }

So yeah, YQY noticed the resemblence at some point between LBH joining and his trip to the Abyss. It’d make alot of sense with your headcanon if that point was when they first ’met’.

Just an instant ‘Huh? That looks like SXY.’ followed by YQY frantically tying to carbon date a tiny kid covered in mud.

slytherinzidian

Luo Binghe certainly bears a strong resemblance to his mother. Initially, I put it off as mere coincidence. After all, in this whole wide world, there are many who share similar features

Oh. my. god. 🤯

There's evidence.

My HC is solidly now my interpretation of what happened in that scene. Yqy muttering to himself and not even hearing sqq's words/ ignoring them, is him trying to figure out lbh's age and if it could possibly have anything to do with sxy. He sees lbh and starts. He startles. He's shocked. Taken aback.. there's no reason for him to react this way for sj choosing lbh, not for 'worries of abuse' sake or even very much for 'sj spiting lqg's' sake because their rivalry was common knowledge (and sy thinks abuse rumors at this time are also common knowledge tho there's no evidence for this)

Yqy upon actually looking at the disciple sqq wants properly: Wait a sec...

Sy who doesn't know any of these things / background: Ah he is worried about letting this good seedling go to the scum villain

#shen jiu #shen qingqiu #yue qingyuan #shen yuan

victortortor

But OMG. Can you imagine how much that verse's JGY must've appreciated JC calling him "my best person," how JC didn't abandon him after his admission. You can also see the how JC's more confident w/o the constant comparisons from his parents. So many ways if the Wens do attack, though. JGY could be to JC what he was to NMJ, or put that lying skill to use. And oh god, what if the truth comes out and JFM is alive to know it... So much potential drama! THIS IS SO GOOD. Thank you for writing this.

(rip the broken mobile read more)

fuck it i don’t know anything but i plotted out a plausible timeline

Keep reading

neil-gaiman

If I read something on the asks that feels genuinely threatening or dangerous, or that's actually abusive, I just delete it and block the person.

If I'm answering an ask here you can assume that as far as I'm concerned even if it's apparently threatening or angry, it's meant humorously or with love.

It's never appropriate to dogpile people. Never appropriate to threaten or abuse them, even if you think you are doing it for me and with the best of intentions. Don't.

If you are upset on my behalf, or on behalf of all Tumblr users, just think "this is probably a tone-deaf attempt at humour" and let it go.

neil-gaiman

Reblogging because I'm seeing people upset or offended on my behalf. To repeat, If I'm answering an ask here you can assume that as far as I'm concerned even if it's apparently threatening or angry, it's meant humorously or with love.

If I think something is actually unpleasant or bad, I'll just block them.

Don't dogpile on my behalf. I don't want you to, I think it's actively a bad idea, and it's bullying. (Remember: it can still be bullying when more than one of you turn up, even when you think you're in the right or the aggrieved party.)

Play nice, never attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to internet-caused text-based tone-deafness or misinterpretation, and everyone will have an easier time.

thefandomcache

Just highlighting this. It would be a better world in general if everyone gave the benefit of the doubt. Or if you think it really is too much, just block.

Play nice, never attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to internet-caused text-based tone-deafness or misinterpretation, and everyone will have an easier time.

tavina-writes

Hey, about the gui dao stuff. Is WWX, like, ruining all those corpses chances at reincarnating when he raises them from the dead?? Because that would in fact uh. be very bad.

Like, the autonomy re: dead people is already skeevy but if he’s also ruining their chances at a next life…

Well! Traditionally, the philosophy is that you can't reincarnate and will be doomed to wander the world as a hungry ghost never to enter the afterlife if you don't die and are buried with a "whole corpse."

This is why traditionally it's hard to get people to go for organ donation btw, it means you uhhhh you're giving up your ability to enter the afterlife. Since your organs are wandering around in someone else's body after you die, you will never be able to journey to the afterlife and onto the next and will end up a hungry resentful ghost etc etc.

(fun fact: imperial eunuchs kept their bits in a jar so they could be buried with those so they could reincarnate. This was so important to them because it concerned their next lives. That's how important this whole corpse thing was, and in some parts, still is!)

I assume that uh, if you know your corpse gets raised in necromancy and then you lose a hand in the war as a corpse etc you also uhhh do not get to go to the afterlife unless WWX came back to bury all those corpses and sort out whose limbs are whose. Which. Well I kinda doubt he was doing that and unless we get scenes or lines about him respectfully re-burying the bodies he raised uh, yeah those people are shit out of luck re: afterlife and the next life lmao.

(This is also why chopping up NMJ's fierce corpse was kinda bad btw.)

This is especially bad in a world where ghosts physically manifest and exist! Which! They do in MDZS!

tavina-writes

@poorlittleyaoyao so, (and people who know more about this please feel free to correct if I'm wrong) from my understanding it depends on if you've already been reincarnated! having a previous body wouldn't like, yoink you back from your new body or anything, but there's not like a specific "after you've been dead for x time you've already reincarnated!" my paternal grandfather has been dead for uhh like 20 years and we're still burning paper money for him every Qingming. This is because most of the time what living people are concerned about is keeping their body together to be buried so you get to the afterlife and what happens after you get your proper burial is a bit murkier since grave desecration real bad!

The issue is that if youuuu have enough resentment for wwx to raise you presumably you haven't made it to reincarnation yet! because you need to let those go to reincarnate into a new life! (Liberation is one of those things that helps you move off to the afterlife to be reincarnated). So if you get necromanced due to being resentful and then lose a hand in the skeleton war etc etc OOPS you're not getting freed from this plane! :D

thefandomcache

I've often wondered about this in terms of the timeline of how one would be able to know if someone has already been reincarnated or not and how it affects said reincarnation (like i am really curious if it's even possible to rouse the corpses of those then that have already reincarnated, because as you said they can't just be yanked back.. so maybe their bodies alone are trapped?)

But also, the fact that they are roused by wwx may not necessarily mean they have enough resentment to be roused by him naturally if we go by the quotes from the cr study arc mentioned here, where lqr talks about how wwx actually is speaking of increasing their resentment. So most humans die with some kind of resentment though it might not be that high, and wwx here is proposing to increase said resentments which... uh...not cool wwx.

#wei wuxian #gui dao #mdzs

scumplanecucumberaircraft

Shang Qinghua: Here's your soup, Shen-Shixiong.

Shen Jiu: Can I have a little spoon?

Shang Qinghua: Of course!

Shang Qinghua: *hugs SJ from behind*

Shen Jiu: *close to tears* I- okay

thefandomcache

This entire twitter thread gives some very good cultural information as to why WN and JC both did what they did (& even XXC) and I'm so glad someone posted about it because the English translation simply cannot give you the context that a lot of the intended audience would already be privy to.

Here's the link in case you don't wanna go through the pics on this post cuz this is only half since i can't attach more than 10 images.

Part 1 under the cut... it's a long post and will be split

Link to part 2 - https://thefandomcache.tumblr.com/post/665312757349007360/part-2-of-the-jc-wn-meta-from-twitter

asideoftrashplease

I'm glad you enjoyed my meta! When I returned to Tumblr I was too tired to repost all the meta I had written onto Tumblr from Twitter, so it's nice that people can still appreciate my meta through this post.

thefandomcache

I'm glad you wrote this! It was really informative for me and a lot of others as well.

clownxian

I truly believe Wei Wuxian wouldn't be able to live in a world where there is no Jiang Cheng. Throughout his life Jiang Cheng has always been a presence there, a figure that bleeds into the background on mundane days and outshines even the sun on the brightest. Wei Wuxian has always lived with the knowledge that Jiang Cheng was safe somewhere.

Even when he's Yiling Laozu, in the back of his mind he knows Jiang Cheng is out there, breathing, fighting. He sees him often despite exiling himself, has Jiang Cheng practically knocking on his front door even when the world sees them as enemies.

And even when he comes back as Mo Xuanyu, Jiang Cheng lurks in the background. He knows by filtered gossip that Jiang Cheng is safe, that he's in the highest position to be so, that the core that spins in him has kept that promise of protection. Wei Wuxian can keep his distance because he knows Jiang Cheng can protect himself, understands that being around him would only cause more pain for them both.

And yet if harm came Jiang Cheng's way, no matter how far across the land Wei Wuxian was, he'd know and he'd come running.

And if Jiang Cheng died then Yiling Laozu would show himself again.

Jiang Cheng, on the other hand, has to live. It's not just his pride that keeps him alive but his honour for his family, his sect. He cannot let his own life end when he needs to avenge theirs, when he holds a little Jin Ling in his arms and knows he needs to protect that child. But the death of Wei Wuxian? That kills his spirit, takes a small part of who he is away. That's the reason why he continues to hunt Demonic Cultivators, why he tries to reason with himself that Wei Wuxian isn't dead, that there's a way to find him, bring him back kicking and screaming if he has to. Jiang Cheng refuses to acknowledge the death of Wei Wuxian because if he does then that means it's real, right? And Jiang Cheng would have to live with the knowledge that the only last person to know who he was, Jiang Cheng and not Sandu Shengshou, A-Cheng and not Jiang-Zongzhu, was truly utterly gone.

They really are the soulmates born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

thefandomcache

*Jiang Cheng creating a play about his life*

Jiang Cheng: You can play the part of my father.

Lan Xichen: But I don't want to be your father!

Jiang Cheng: That's perfect, you already know your lines.

#jiang cheng #lan xichen #the untamed #mdzs

asksythe

Is there any deeper meaning to Lan Wangji stealing the fragrance pouch Mian Mian gave to Wei Wuxian?

Well, yes.

He's jealous of that Mianmian hussy and wants Wei Wuxian to marry him and not her.

Hahahahaha!

Ahem. Let me explain. Flower or fragrant pouches are one among the 12 proposal gifts of ancient China.

#asadsjkfkadkljsklas #lan wangjiiiii #omg #ahaha #wow

dduane

Fanfiction.net going/gone down?

Friends -- this is what fanfiction.net's front page looks like right now.

@beautifulfic advises (and I can confirm, I just checked it) that the mobile version of the site, m.fanfiction.net, appears still to be up. STRONGLY suggest that if you have material there that's not preserved elsewhere, you go in via the mobile gateway and archive it NOW.

Please reblog so others can take action.

ETA: @mylittleredgirl advises that if you attach “www.” to the front of the URL, the site displays correctly. But this is still concerning., and suggests somebody’s monkeying around with their .htaccess file, a fairly important piece of under-the-hoid operations for a website. Both versions of the URL ought to lead to the same page.

If I had anything there, I’d back it up anyway.

#wth

spriteofmushrooms

Why is everyone mean to Yue Qingyuan? Isn't that Shen Jiu's job!!

cum-villain

#''this fic is not yqy friendly'' NEITHER IS CANON. HASN'T HE SUFFERED ENOUGH 😭

lansplaining

so I am just saying

this is in fact… not what happens (go away donghua). he pulls himself together and fights for Jin Ling’s position and like… continues with his life.

it’s almost as if Wei Wuxian’s assessments of people’s characters are not always (or perhaps even often) entirely correct!!!!

I’m also just so struck this time about how the evasiveness is all on the part of Wei Wuxian, and is explicitly about no longer having the resilience to face the trauma of the core transfer and its repercussions. you might say he’s…… unable to face himself……..

finally:

WEI WUXIAN PLEASE JUST PAY A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION AND NOTICE WHO HE LEFT OFF THAT LIST

spaceshipoftheseus

#yes! this!#all of this#I've been having a lot of Thoughts that elude actually articulating lately#about how “jiang cheng can't handle it” became the last bulwark to shield wwx from really facing what he'd given up#how convenient that keeping up the lie entailed never telling anyone or revealing his vulnerability or talking about anything that happened#and how tragic it is that so much of what happened was rooted in keeping up the lie#that he 'had' to keep from jiang cheng. because 'jiang cheng can't handle it'#and then when jiang cheng finds out... he... does handle it actually#but let's forget the past and move on so we don't have to think about that :D

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