The Strippers Hate You

I don't consent to being called a "prostituted woman", being called "for sale" or "selling myself/my body", being told am "bought", or any other radfem buzzword that implies I am the purchased property of someone I have a sexual interaction with instead of a woman with agency and humanity. . Run by a sex worker who gives all non sex worker opinions on sex work all the respect and dignity they deserve...which is none. TW for dehumanising radfem ideology. 27. She/her. Queer af and not interested in biphobes and acephobes thinking that claiming I'm heterosexual will make it so.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radfems be like “your sex work job isn’t a valid job because you wouldn’t take that job to school career day and teach a bunch of elementary schoolers how to do it!”

An incomplete list of jobs I also wouldn’t teach 10 year olds how to do

- Performing abortions.  “here’s a difficult decision a woman had to make that cost her at least a month’s income and was highly politicised to ruin everyone’s good mood! Who wants to hear about the non consensual transvaginal ultrasound her state legislature said I had to perform?” makes for great career day talk, right?

- Owning a brewery Alcohol is literally none of their fucking business. They’re children. Plus beer is gross.

- Teaching statistics I wouldn’t teach anyone how to do this job. Statistics is boring. 

- Joining the military You’re a psychopath if you think brainwashing children to go get murdered for politicians’ money making schemes is a good thing to do. Fuck you.

- Gunsmithing Weapons aren’t for kids.

- Working in a factory.  Any factory. At all. If you stand in front of a conveyor belt and do the same motion for 8 hours then children do not care. They do not fucking care.

- Working for Amazon, Walmart, Facebook, or any company they own. Children should not be taught that the the way these employees get treated is something to aspire to

- Any elected official at all.  I don’t care what party. Anything they say would be campaigning. Keep it away from kids’ career day. 

I could go on…

Half of the jobs y’all work have no place at career day either. Kids either don’t care and would be bored to tears, would be horrified, or don’t need to be taught that the conditions and wages you’re forced to work with should be something to aspire to. Stop acting like you all have the dream jobs you wanted when you were 3.

[thestrippershateyou]

Let me add to this - ANYTHING to do with sex or genitals. It’s not just sex workers. It’s literally ANYONE AT ALL that enables adults to have healthy, safe sex lives or helps adults and children alike who have been sexually mistreated or experience genital related medical problems.

- Gynecologist? No.

- Urologist? No.

- Sexologist? No.

- Rape counselor? No.

- Halfway house worker? No.

- Prison psychiatrist or psychologist? No

- Sex shop worker? No.

- Planned Parenthood worker? No.

That’s for sex ed day. Not Career Day.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radfems be like “your sex work job isn’t a valid job because you wouldn’t take that job to school career day and teach a bunch of elementary schoolers how to do it!”

An incomplete list of jobs I also wouldn’t teach 10 year olds how to do

- Performing abortions.  “here’s a difficult decision a woman had to make that cost her at least a month’s income and was highly politicised to ruin everyone’s good mood! Who wants to hear about the non consensual transvaginal ultrasound her state legislature said I had to perform?” makes for great career day talk, right?

- Owning a brewery Alcohol is literally none of their fucking business. They’re children. Plus beer is gross.

- Teaching statistics I wouldn’t teach anyone how to do this job. Statistics is boring. 

- Joining the military You’re a psychopath if you think brainwashing children to go get murdered for politicians’ money-making schemes is a good thing to do. Fuck you.

- Gunsmithing Weapons aren’t for kids. Guns are illegal to bring to school to demonstrate your job anyway.

- Working in a factory.  Any factory. At all. If you stand in front of a conveyor belt and do the same motion for 8 hours then children do not care. They do not fucking care. Your job is probably important to society but kids do not care

- Working for Amazon, Walmart, Facebook, or any company they own. Children should not be taught that the the way these employees get treated is something to aspire to. Peeing in bottles? Fucking hell. They also shouldn’t be taught that the things these companies do to others is something to aspire to. Selling their information? Christ.

- Any elected official at all.  I don’t care what party. Anything they say would be campaigning. Keep it away from kids’ career day. 

I could go on...

Half of the jobs y’all work have no place at career day either. Kids either don’t care and would be bored to tears, would be horrified, or don’t need to be taught that the conditions and wages you’re forced to work with should be something to aspire to. Stop acting like you all have the dream jobs you wanted when you were 3.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radical feminists: “I don’t want sex workers to be arrested! No way! I just want their CLIENTS arrested. I would never take away sex worker’s freedom like that but I think anyone who would buy a sex worker’s services should be punished.”

Radical feminists when they think no one else is listening: “because if we arrest their clients then that means the sex workers will make no money doing sex work. Without an income, they’ll run out their savings accounts paying their bills. That way they’ll either become homeless and starve to death because they can’t pay rent and buy food with no income, or they’ll be forced to quit doing sex work and do a job that I approve of. It will be a job they didn’t want to do but it will give them a lower income than sex work which will mean they have to work too many hours to be able to see their clients or produce content in exchange for any kind of personal gain at all. That will get rid of sex work!”

[venin2004]

I think it’s way more to do with all the underage and of age women being trafficked and brutalized than it is about white women with OnlyFans. Radical feminists aren’t against sex work for the purpose of policing womens bodies?? It’s a much bigger picture than OnlyFans content and free-will porn. It’s the demand from men, the demand that’s made sex trafficking even a thing.

Why do things like this get whittled down to such whiney baby bitch terms? It becomes so black and white when the whole thing is so fucking nuanced. And I’m sure there are radfems who’d argue with me about it being an all or nothing, destroy men kind of thing, but idk I feel that’s missing the point. Like hearing “defund the police” and thinking that means having no police force, not decreasing the funds for police and rerouting the funds to education and mental health services to stop crime before it happens.

I was just gonna complain in the tags but good grief.

[thestrippershateyou]

A. Please point to where I said this was about OF work. Or don’t bother because I didn’t say that and we both know you’re only trying to bring that up as a deflection. 

B. NO other industry has all of it’s workers punished for the actions of human traffickers. None. Silver mines are full of child labour, slave labour, and abuse. I know several jewelers and yet none of them have been told that them using silver is unethical since they source their silver ethically. It’s understood that the traffickers are at fault. Not the consenting workers. Domestic labour trafficking is a problem equal in scale to sex trafficking. Yet I know several women who were proud to start their own house cleaning businesses and who were celebrated for doing so. They weren’t told they were contributing to human trafficking by cleaning their houses even though there’s women and children all over the world forced to clean houses against their will without pay. Someone seeing someone else getting their house cleaned and knowing they can pay for that service too increases demand. But if I quit doing sex work and started a house cleaning business, you wouldn’t tell me I was normalising domestic labour trafficking or increasing demand for that. You’d congratulate me on starting my own business. You only object when it’s sex because you have a double standard and think you are entitled to decide how people of all genders should be allowed to use their own sexuality. 

News flash? We don’t need you to approve our consent. You aren’t that important. 

C. You probably could have spared yourself some dignity and stuck to the tags. But if you’ve got a kink for making yourself look like a hypocrite online then who am I to kink shame? 

[opium-perfume]

I love the way they referenced the term defund the police when the Nordic Model relies on extreme carceral policing of women’s bodies to function. In my country, under the Nordic Model police have both fined women for working, taken money they have earned that they had on their person and the arrest of workers has increased hugely, whereas they’ve arrested like 2 clients since it’s been implented in 2017. Added to that since there is legal persecution rather than protection, violence has risen 92% against workers as sex work has been forced further underground and it has become impossible to screen clients and you are at risk of being implicated if you file a report with the police. Even when you do, punishments can be lenient - look up Vickers’ stabbing of a trans sex worker, whose excuse was ‘well I could’ve been attacked so I decided to stab this defenceless worker lolz’. He got a suspended sentence. Meanwhile, again because of the nordic model sex workers continue to be fined, are forced to work alone or be prosecuted as brothel keepers which creates isolation and puts workers further at risk. This is just in Ireland, you can google all these claims. Also the group that lobbied for the nordic model are called Ruhama, whose founders are responisble for historic abuses against women through the 20th century and famously when contacted by a journalist about their pedalling of the nordic model accidentally forwarded her an internal discussion that said if her article was in any way critical they could attack her for 'pimp thinking’. (The article is by Julianne Flynn - The Church’s Lingering Shadows on Sex Work in Ireland and can be read online for free).

[thestrippershateyou]

I legit don’t even know what to say.

I’m not surprised. I mean, obviously I’m not since I wrote the original post here and have written others on the Nordic model. But somehow I had hoped it was mostly staying in Nordic countries. I didn’t even consider that shit show infecting Ireland too. I’m so sorry.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radical feminists: “I don’t want sex workers to be arrested! No way! I just want their CLIENTS arrested. I would never take away sex worker’s freedom like that but I think anyone who would buy a sex worker’s services should be punished.”

Radical feminists when they think no one else is listening: “because if we arrest their clients then that means the sex workers will make no money doing sex work. Without an income, they’ll run out their savings accounts paying their bills. That way they’ll either become homeless and starve to death because they can’t pay rent and buy food with no income, or they’ll be forced to quit doing sex work and do a job that I approve of. It will be a job they didn’t want to do but it will give them a lower income than sex work which will mean they have to work too many hours to be able to see their clients or produce content in exchange for any kind of personal gain at all. That will get rid of sex work!”

[venin2004]

I think it’s way more to do with all the underage and of age women being trafficked and brutalized than it is about white women with OnlyFans. Radical feminists aren’t against sex work for the purpose of policing womens bodies?? It’s a much bigger picture than OnlyFans content and free-will porn. It’s the demand from men, the demand that’s made sex trafficking even a thing.

Why do things like this get whittled down to such whiney baby bitch terms? It becomes so black and white when the whole thing is so fucking nuanced. And I’m sure there are radfems who’d argue with me about it being an all or nothing, destroy men kind of thing, but idk I feel that’s missing the point. Like hearing “defund the police” and thinking that means having no police force, not decreasing the funds for police and rerouting the funds to education and mental health services to stop crime before it happens.

I was just gonna complain in the tags but good grief.

[thestrippershateyou]

A. Please point to where I said this was about OF work. Or don’t bother because I didn’t say that and we both know you’re only trying to bring that up as a deflection. 

B. NO other industry has all of it’s workers punished for the actions of human traffickers. None. Silver mines are full of child labour, slave labour, and abuse. I know several jewelers and yet none of them have been told that them using silver is unethical since they source their silver ethically. It’s understood that the traffickers are at fault. Not the consenting workers. Domestic labour trafficking is a problem equal in scale to sex trafficking. Yet I know several women who were proud to start their own house cleaning businesses and who were celebrated for doing so. They weren’t told they were contributing to human trafficking by cleaning their houses even though there’s women and children all over the world forced to clean houses against their will without pay. Someone seeing someone else getting their house cleaned and knowing they can pay for that service too increases demand. But if I quit doing sex work and started a house cleaning business, you wouldn’t tell me I was normalising domestic labour trafficking or increasing demand for that. You’d congratulate me on starting my own business. You only object when it’s sex because you have a double standard and think you are entitled to decide how people of all genders should be allowed to use their own sexuality. 

News flash? We don’t need you to approve our consent. You aren’t that important. 

C. You probably could have spared yourself some dignity and stuck to the tags. But if you’ve got a kink for making yourself look like a hypocrite online then who am I to kink shame? 

[thestrippershateyou]

Radfems: “I think sex work should be illegal! That will stop rape and sex trafficking!”

What ACTUALLY happens when sex work is illegal:

Alaska

“One of [the police officers] put his hand up my skirt and ripped my underwear off. He slammed me down on the car, he injured me. Um, left me with some broken fingertips, broken toes, fractured cheekbone… I was bleeding, I had my skirt ripped… people were just mortified because they’d seen a teenage girl get assaulted by a police officer..”.— study respondent

Baltimore

“Prior to the DOJ investigation, an internal investigation by the BCPD found an officer receiving sex from a sex worker in exchange for money and immunity from arrest. The case was closed without any attempt to gather more evidence, interview the police officer, or prosecute the officer. Cases were opened for the same officer a second and third time for the same offense. The witness for the third case died before she could be interviewed, and only then did the BCPD review the officer’s phone records and discover that he had sent sexually explicit messages to a number of female sex workers. The officer was allowed to retire. The DOJ found similar cases involving other officers.”

Chicago

“I was solicited by a police officer who said that if I had sex with him he wouldn’t arrest me. So I did. Then afterwards he cuffed me and pressed charges anyway.“

“I was going to meet a new john, it turned out to be a sting set up by the cops. He got violent with me, handcuffed me and then raped me. He cleaned me up for the police station and I got sentenced to four months in jail for prostitution.”

“I keep being arrested in Rogers Park just for standing still. They keep taking me in for prostitution even though I’m not doing anything at all. It’s the same white cop doing it too.”

“When being held in protective custody [because they said I was a victim of human trafficking] they started withholding my sheets, then towels, then pillows, then food because they said I wasn’t telling them everything I could—when in fact I was.”

(Claiming non trafficking victims are actually trafficking victims as justification for abusing them - Hey, radfems, the police are stealing your tactics!)

“Twenty four percent of street-based sex workers had been raped by a police officer. Twenty percent had experienced other sexual assault from police officers. Women doing survival sex and women in drug houses experienced a lot of violence from police. Thirty percent of exotic dancers who had been raped were raped by police, and twenty percent of the sexual violence they experienced was committed by police. Twenty five percent of escorts had been robbed by a police officer. Eighteen percent of escorts had been forced to masturbate a police officer.”

Las Vegas

“One respondent was given the choice between arrest and doing something “disgusting”. She wouldn’t tell the researcher what she was asked to do, but she told the other police officers at the station about it and they laughed at her.

A respondent was asked by an officer to show her breasts in order to avoid arrest. Another respondent had charges dropped because of police misconduct; the officer who arrested her had her perform oral sex on him.”

Miami

“One respondent was arrested because she refused to have sex with the officers who arrested her. Another was asked by an officer for sex, but she was afraid it was a set up and said no.”

New Orleans

“Survey respondents said that police profiled transgender people as sex workers and subjected them to verbal abuse and sexual misconduct, including demands for sex in exchange for leniency. Police were arresting people for solicitation if they carried condoms. Even trans sex workers who weren’t arrested for carrying condoms saw it happen to others and where afraid to carry condoms. Some police officers used possession of condoms to coerce trans sex workers into providing free sexual services.

People who tested positive for HIV while in jail were visited by an HIV task force that scheduled appointments at a clinic. However, many people were rearrested before their scheduled appointment. One woman was arrested ten times in three years, preventing her from going to any scheduled appointments to receive care for her HIV infection during that period. Jail interrupts taking medication on a regular basis.”

(I know radfems don’t care about trans people though. Y’all are definitely celebrating the New Orleans situation as a success.)

New York City

“Examples of police language: bitch ho slut you’re not dead yet? we gotta go clean up the trash why should we help you?”

(Again, I know radfems approve of this. This is how they talk to me.)

Police raped me a couple of times in Queens. The last time that happened was a couple of months ago. But you don’t tell anybody. You just deal wit it.— nineteen year old female

“Police officers propositioned underage youth and made lewd comments. Most female youth in the study reported trading sex to avoid arrest. Pimps were not arrested or received less jail time than the youth that worked with them, even when one of the youths was identified as fourteen years old.”

Thirty percent of the respondents reported threats of violence from the police, and twenty seven percent reported experiencing violence. One respondent said “I’ve seen cops get out of a car and beat a girl, and then get back in the car and leave.” Another said that her greatest fear during arrest was “not coming home at all.” The white woman from the Bronx said “… they throw you on the floor and they step on you…”

Another respondent reported seeing officers injure a women in the pelvic area to prevent her from working. “… it was like he was squeezing a handball or something, but really really hard… it was two guys in a car and they drove up on the sidewalk. He pushed her against the wall and then he pushed her against the wall after he finished that and then he said “now get off the street”…-respondent

“One likes to beat me now and then, or he wants me to suck his dick. I mean, it’s crazy. He hits me with his gun and gives me these marks on my legs and my back. I don’t know what to do…I can’t call the other cops. I did that once and they asked this guy to stop beating me. But he got so mad that he came around and beat me up even worse. So I really have to get out of here. Now he wants me to give him 25% of what I make…I had to go to the hospital because I got beat so bad. — respondent

San Francisco 

“4% of respondents described being threatened with arrest unless they had sex with a police officer. 8% said they were arrested after having sex with a police officer. 5% said they were arrested after refusing to have sex with a police officer. 40% of interactions with police officers during the previous three months were bad or very bad.”

Washington DC

38.5% of survey respondents reported being humiliated or verbally abused by police during relatively minor interactions such as checking ID. One respondent said the officer called her a whore, prostitute, and trick. During 8.6% of these interactions, officers confiscated or destroyed safe sex supplies, including condoms. 17.3% of respondents said that police-initiated interactions involved the officer asking for sexual services, or demanding sexual services to avoid arrest. 9.1% of respondents reported being assaulted by police officers. 3 respondents reported strip searches.

Seventy eight respondents were profiled as sex workers and ordered to “move along.” The most common result of this was that they ended up in an area where they felt less safe.

75% of trans people and 82.4% of Latinos said they were treated worse than others when they were in lock up.

When the survey respondents initiated contact with the police, usually to report a crime, in a number of cases the police tried to have sex with them. This seemed to be particularly true of trans Latinas.

Studies not limited to certain areas

“Police abuse of sex workers includes verbal insults, coerced sex, brutal beatings, and rape. When police know that a woman is a sex worker, they may harass her when she is not working.The most common abuses are verbal abuse and threats to arrest sex workers if the police don’t receive sexual services. Police often assume that sex workers don’t care who they will have sex with and will do anything to avoid arrest. But experienced street-based sex workers often refuse to provide free services. They are resigned to frequent arrests, including arrests for questionable charges. What they want to avoid are fear and indignity forced on them by bad officers.“

“During arrest or taking someone into custody, police often degrade or humiliate sex workers, including removing wigs or clothing, confiscating or destroying property, making homophobic, anti-transgender, and racists slurs, and engaging on sexual harassment. Organizations working with sex workers have documented a pattern of police practice that includes assault, sexual harassment, public strip searches for the purpose of viewing genitalia, and rape. This pattern of practice is supported by the difficulty or impossibility of obtaining justice in these cases.”

“When sex workers try to report crimes against them, officers don’t take their complaints seriously, refuse to file a report, and may arrest them, physically assault them, or pressure them for sex. When a sex worker tried to bring charges against a security guard who handcuffed and raped her, the police referred to the guard as “a big teddy bear”, and added exculpatory statements to her report that she didn’t make. This refusal to deal with crimes against sex workers leads serial killers to target sex workers and people profiled as sex workers.”

“Six of the twelve women who had been trafficking victims left their trafficking situation without help from law enforcement, through the help of a coworker or an attorney they met through a coworker or friend. Nationwide, it appears that the majority of trafficking victims escape without the involvement of law enforcement. One supervisor in a national organization said that 90% of their cases were not produced by raids or identified by law enforcement.”

Of the six trafficking victims picked up in law enforcement raids, one would have left her situation in a few days if she had not been picked up in a raid and arrested. As a result of the raid, she was pistol-whipped by a police officer and incarcerated. 

Her conclusion: “A better way to help leave my situation would be anything that didn’t involve the police.”

[ms-gay-frogs]

op if you knew a thing about radfems you’d know that we’re pro-nordic model aka sex “buying” would be criminalized and sex “selling” would not.

if you’re too stupid to understand that, it means johns who want to rape women are the ones facing legal consequences, and the women in prostitution do not.

[thestrippershateyou]

Oh, I know y’all like the Nordic model.

https://thestrippershateyou.tumblr.com/post/188423709794/radfems-i-support-the-nordic-model-because-i

I also know *why* you like the Nordic model - Because, on the surface, it looks like a great idea for sex workers to have the space to do the jobs we want to do. But underneath that surface, it’s just another weapon used to violently oppress sex workers, deny us rights, deny us humane treatment, and make us fear or four safety and lives. All while you get to blame the sex workers for choosing to do the work instead of the system that was specifically designed to cause such problems and which you yourself supported. 

You’ll have to try your little song and dance on someone who hasn’t seen the true colours of so many radfems. 

Also, little suggestion, if you’re trying to convince someone you actually value them as a human being then maybe don’t open with telling them that you think they’re stupid because they see through your nOrDiC mOdEl bullshit. 

[thestrippershateyou]

It’s almost as fun to watch men get taken down a notch as it is to watch radfems get taken down a notch.

[terfezis]

Yeah, not exactly sure sir gym rat here identifies as a radical feminist.

Also, every child - and person - deserves to be and feel safe going to the bathroom. No child “deserves” to be in any particular bathroom. Going to the girls room isnt a privilege that you’re either “allowed” or “denied.” Women’s restrooms are just places for female people to relieve themselves, they aren’t the ultimate battleground of rights.

If a transgender child feels unsafe in the bathroom of their birth sex, you should be looking to change the other people in the bathroom, not which bathroom the child uses.

[thestrippershateyou]

Quick reading comprehension test: Point to where in my post I said that this man was a radfem instead of comparing him to radfems. 

I’ll wait. 

[terfezis]

It was late, I misread your post. Anything to say about the rest of my comment?

[thestrippershateyou]

Oh, I just thought it was a copypasta from TheDonald or 8chan. Was I actually supposed to take it seriously?

[terfezis]

that’s a good one 😂 the implication that the altright care about women’s comfort and safety has me rolling. but yep, i’m seriously asking you why you think that any male person deserves access to the women’s restroom, and honestly why it even matters. when i use public restrooms i aim to be in there for as short a time as possible. it’s literally just a place to use a toilet, and the reason i’m able to think that is because of feminists’ victory in creating sex-segregated public bathrooms. 

[thestrippershateyou]

“and honestly why it even matters”

If it doesn’t matter to you, then stop acting like you need to get a description of people’s genitals as a cover charge to a public bathroom. 

Btw? Unisex toilets are already a thing, have been a thing, and you’ve used them without issue. The only reason you’re mad is because a trans person might be allowed the dignity of using a toilet instead of pissing themselves for your entertainment, you sadistic freak.

[umbrellanumber5-deactivated2021]

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This.

This is why people who stay in my life are neurodiverse like me!

[thestrippershateyou]

Things I wish neurotypicals understood

[crystals-and-lavender]

[thestrippershateyou]

My favourite part is that these are clearly all made by the same person who is clearly experiencing a shortage of *actual* oppression and is attempting to get their victimhood fix instead by portraying themselves as being abused by people who are, in reality, just treating them the way they treat others. 

[thestrippershateyou]

It’s almost as fun to watch men get taken down a notch as it is to watch radfems get taken down a notch.

[terfezis]

Yeah, not exactly sure sir gym rat here identifies as a radical feminist.

Also, every child - and person - deserves to be and feel safe going to the bathroom. No child “deserves” to be in any particular bathroom. Going to the girls room isnt a privilege that you’re either “allowed” or “denied.” Women’s restrooms are just places for female people to relieve themselves, they aren’t the ultimate battleground of rights.

If a transgender child feels unsafe in the bathroom of their birth sex, you should be looking to change the other people in the bathroom, not which bathroom the child uses.

[thestrippershateyou]

Quick reading comprehension test: Point to where in my post I said that this man was a radfem instead of comparing him to radfems. 

I’ll wait. 

[terfezis]

It was late, I misread your post. Anything to say about the rest of my comment?

[thestrippershateyou]

Oh, I just thought it was a copypasta from TheDonald or 8chan. Was I actually supposed to take it seriously?

[thestrippershateyou]

[genderette]

brilliant logic 🙏🙏 women have to pay to have safe spaces 😍😍 and a male without a dick is not a male apparently 😍😍 no woman owes you shit, crusty moid

[illalwaysbehere]

ROFL cutting your dick off doesn’t suddenly make you not a man

“Transwomen” stay the fuck away from women’s spaces and maybe just fuck off into the sun while you’re at it

[vuvaliniterf]

This is a good example why “terf” pandering to “true” transsexuals is a mistake.

Sixty percent of men who turn their penises inside out are AGPs. And, while men who get the chop can’t rape anyone with their penises, doing so doesn’t suddenly make them harmless, and it doesn’t make them “real”, whatever that means.

All trans identity is made up, and forcing everyone to play along is baked in to the disorder. This makes trans identity a threat to the dignity and rights of anyone who isn’t trans. Trans identity defines men and women by stereotypes; is intent on invading all of our spaces; and seeks to deny everyone the right of freedom of speech, association, and thought. And, yes, the “true” trans are at least as intent on this as the “fakers”.

[thestrippershateyou]

You: “Trans people are bad because they define men and women by stereotypes!”

Also you: “At least men who chop their penises off can’t rape women with them anymore but even that can’t make a man harmless!”

Either stereotyping entire genders is bad or everyone with a penis is a rapist. Pick one. They’re both hilariously disgusting beliefs but you can’t have both of them because they conflict. 

And while you’re at it, go ahead and choose between “denying people’s freedom of speech, association, and thought is bad!” and “I think trans people having the freedom to choose their own identity is bad and is a threat.”. You can’t have both. Freedom doesn’t suddenly stop being good the moment people use their freedom to think of something you think is icky. Despite your lofty goals, you’ve not actually become Big Brother. 

[thestrippershateyou]

Radical feminists: “I don’t want sex workers to be arrested! No way! I just want their CLIENTS arrested. I would never take away sex worker’s freedom like that but I think anyone who would buy a sex worker’s services should be punished.”

Radical feminists when they think no one else is listening: “because if we arrest their clients then that means the sex workers will make no money doing sex work. Without an income, they’ll run out their savings accounts paying their bills. That way they’ll either become homeless and starve to death because they can’t pay rent and buy food with no income, or they’ll be forced to quit doing sex work and do a job that I approve of. It will be a job they didn’t want to do but it will give them a lower income than sex work which will mean they have to work too many hours to be able to see their clients or produce content in exchange for any kind of personal gain at all. That will get rid of sex work!”

[girlsmoonsandstars]

Actually, the Nordic model ensorsed by feminists calls for funding exit programs and social services. Hope this helps!

[thestrippershateyou]

The Nordic model absolutely has exit programs and social services to help sex workers! Do you know why?

It’s because it’s illegal for anyone to help a sex worker in any way under the Nordic Model. It’s illegal for anyone to do most non sexual business with a sex worker under the Nordic Model.

It’s illegal to rent an apartment to a sex worker so they aren’t homeless, accept sex workers as passengers in cabs so they don’t have to walk around the city alone, allow sex workers to drink at bars and have social lives outside of work, give sex workers any kind of harm reduction materials that could save their lives, give sex workers birth control, provide security to a sex worker so that they won’t get hurt, offer shelter to a sex worker if they’re homeless or trying to get away from an abuser, offer any kind of assistance AT ALL to sex workers including something like food money, or even be in a romantic relationship with a sex worker.

The Nordic Model made it illegal for sex workers to get almost everything one needs to have a safe, secure life. Then the Nordic Model claimed it was sex work that caused sex workers to be homeless, hungry, poor, and mistreated. Nordic Model supporters point to rape statistics in Nordic Model countries. They just forget to mention that the Nordic Model one ups the western model by not just arresting sex workers and charging them with prostitution for trying to report being raped by a client, but responding to rape reports by conducting surveillance on sex workers, taking that surveillance to their landlords, and telling the landlord to either evict the sex worker or get arrested for facilitating prostitution by unknowingly renting to a sex worker.

The Nordic Model caused the problem itself. And then the government decided to start making these limited social programs available to sex workers on government terms so that they could tell the public that the government and the government alone was willing to help these poor, miserable sex workers who clearly had nothing because sex work caused them to be like that so that meant sex work was bad.

And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. How embarrassing. 

[not-used-to-being-normal]

Can we talk about the fact that if an adult woman consents to have sex with someone else for money or anything else, that’s not rape? Like. It sounds obvious, but so many radfems (and a lot of other feminists, and even women that aren’t feminists) think sex work is just rape bc “those women were deluded into thinking it was right to sell their bodies for male pleasure”, which swiftly takes away their right to choose, and implies they’re unable to make decisions bc of the way society may or may not have made them think a certain way, assumes that sex workers are selling their bodies, which is not even the case, they’re selling a service, just like a construction worker sells the service of working, doesn’t mean they’re selling their bodies, and aslo focuses of the evil of men™ instead of actually protecting the sex workers

Much like with illegal alcohol, it is important for sex work to be legalized and sex workers protected to the whole business is safer, and repression, as we’ve seen in every single country for centuries, doesn’t actually work, and it does create a system where the sex workers become vulnerable to rape and other types of abuse bc they have no where to go to get help, and so they’re at the mercy of their circumstances (which paired with poverty, are often times extremely dire). And if it were to be legalized, and destigmatized, sex workers would be able to have a safer environment and better working conditions

[thestrippershateyou]

Honestly I have been trying to get radical feminists to talk about that for like 2+ years now and all that’s resulted from my efforts is that I have anger management issues and a file on my Google Drive full of screenshots about how I’m a rape advocate, a sex trafficker, a pedophile, lying about having been raped, lying about being queer, that I’m physically unattractive, mocking my mental illnesses/claiming I have mental illnesses that I don’t so as to mock them, saying that I need to die/cut myself/be killed, saying that I’m not a human being, etc because that’s how these people treat sex workers. 

They refuse to see us as anything other that one of two different one dimensional caricatures that they invented: helpless victims in need of a radfem white knight to rescue us or sexual deviants who are either too privileged to count as sex workers (if we are still doing sex work and don’t hate it) or only in it to traffic little girls (if we retired from sex work but didn’t hate it). If we are #1 then they use us as their token sob story to go “I talked to this one prostituted woman who told me [insert personal story that’s not theirs to share around]”. If it’s #2 then they smear us everywhere they can and go “This sex trafficker claims that sex work is perfect for absolutely EVERYONE because she’s really a pimp and wants to lure you into making money for her!”.

You have your work cut out for you if you’re looking for any kind of logic, morality, or human decency in these people.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radical feminists: “I don’t want sex workers to be arrested! No way! I just want their CLIENTS arrested. I would never take away sex worker’s freedom like that but I think anyone who would buy a sex worker’s services should be punished.”

Radical feminists when they think no one else is listening: “because if we arrest their clients then that means the sex workers will make no money doing sex work. Without an income, they’ll run out their savings accounts paying their bills. That way they’ll either become homeless and starve to death because they can’t pay rent and buy food with no income, or they’ll be forced to quit doing sex work and do a job that I approve of. It will be a job they didn’t want to do but it will give them a lower income than sex work which will mean they have to work too many hours to be able to see their clients or produce content in exchange for any kind of personal gain at all. That will get rid of sex work!”

[miss-shorty-deactivated20211127]

Yes, you’re so smart. You figured it out. That’s exactly the reasons why we’re against sex work. Because we want women to starve. Yep, that’s it.

[blissfulascension]

If you want to help us struggling women put food in our mouths, not your dick

that’s what we’re suppose to believe as radfems

[bulldyke-rider-deactivated20251]

So OP, you know women do “sex work” out of survival and you still think it’s okay? You know men buy sex (pay to rape) women who wouldn’t be okay with this agreement if they didn’t need the money? And somehow we’re the bad guys for thinking the men who pay to rape women should be punished for it? Op, you’ve noticed that women can make more money by being raped and risking their health than they’d make working a job that doesn’t require them to learn to dissociate from their bodies? You’ve noticed essential jobs pay less than coerced sex?

Why are you okay with men buying us?

Why is the solution “yeah let women get raped all night if it makes more money than working at a grocery store” instead of “let’s support working class women so they don’t have to be raped to pay their bills”?

Why do men benefit here while women still struggle to survive?

[trueconfessionsofacurvygirl]

The op is literally a stripper.

[bulldyke-rider-deactivated20251]

So she gets to say paid rape is okay? So she gets to say the men who coerce women with money shouldn’t be considered rapists? Cause she butted her head into prostitution talk with the OP and told an entire lie about radfems.

Why do women have to suck dick to not starve? That’s my question. Why is anyone okay with that?

[trueconfessionsofacurvygirl]

I am literally rape survivor and and full service sex worker. I can tell the difference between sex work and rape. Why do women do sex work? We need money. There is no way I could work 80hrs a week at min wage to get the money that I need. No way. Most of the sex workers I know have physical disability or chronic illness. Many have kids or older family members that need to be taken care of. Many have debts from college or medical debt. All of us are women(not that only women do sex work) like yourself only we chose to do sex work.

Not only do I not considered my clients to be not rapists they’re the people that actually put money in my hands. In other words they are damn sight better than you, who have given me $0.00.

[bulldyke-rider-deactivated20251]

Yes, most sex workers couldn’t live without it. That’s my entire fucking point.

If you have to do something to survive, you don’t have a choice. If you don’t have a choice, that isn’t consent.

[trueconfessionsofacurvygirl]

There is almost no one on the planet that can live withot money and servive. I like electricity, heat and the internet. I’m not going to live in a hunter gather society. I’m grown woman who are you to tell me I can’t consent to sex and get paid for it?

If you really believe that why don’t you venmo me over your stimulus check?

[bulldyke-rider-deactivated20251]

I’m saying you’re literally not consenting. And you’re saying it too. Your whole argument is that you do it to survive. My whole argument is that you do it to survive. And men know that. And men know the women they’re buying wouldn’t sleep with them if they really had a choice. These men are rapists.

[bushcrafts]

Unrelated to the last few comments but can we stop pretending all sex work is equal?? Both libfems and radfems do it and honestly it annoys me because it really obscures what we’re talking about, because ‘sex work’ is SO vague and encompasses many different experiences. Personally I’m against in some way or another all sex work, but the response to all types should not be the same.

I’ve been a stripper, I probably will be again, honestly for the same reason as the woman above, because it fits my schedule while I’m in college, and it pays far more than any other job I could do in similar hours. But the difference is that I recognize that it’s fucked up that that’s the only job that’s feasible for me! I would love for there to be a different job with the same flexible schedule and good pay that’s not illegal, and THATS what I’m fighting for.

But I worked as a stripper in a well regulated club with no lap dances and a strict no touching policy. A man once got kicked out just for reaching for my ass (as a joke, which wasn’t funny, but the point is he didn’t even actually touch me and still got kicked out). I have NO IDEA what it’s like to be a prostitute or ‘full service’ sex worker. I have no idea what it’s like to have to be touched by men like that.

And I see so many popular ‘sex work advocates’ who are strippers or Camgirls, and while that’s definitely a viewpoint that should be listened to, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a prostitute or ‘full service sex worker’ advocate for full legalization, saying they love the industry, etc. and those perspectives are incredibly different. When radfems talk about how an insanely high amount of prostitutes don’t like their job, it’s always ‘no contact’ sex workers who say that that’s fake because THEY enjoy their jobs.

TLDR: there is a wide range of ‘sex work’ and it helps no one to pretend it’s all the same.

[hazeldomain]

I was a full service sex worker in college and 100% of the problems I had with the industry were due to it being illegal. I stopped after I was raped and the reason I was raped was because it was impossible to discuss boundaries when the person you’re talking to might be an undercover cop. You have to speak in vague plausibly-deniable euphemisms. Laws banning sex work make it illegal to set clear limits on what work you are willing to do.

There was a difference between being paid for sex and I knew that difference immediately.

Sex work should be completely legal the same as any other job and the other people I worked with thought the same. It’s hard to take a consensus though because, again, if people find out you’re an active sex worker you risk being arrested.

By the way, the job I had * before* going into sex work was at a boarding kennel for dogs. I had special work clothes because the dog smell does not come out. I’d scoop up 35 runs’ worth of literal dog shit and then have to take off my clothes in the garage and shower immediately to get the fur and dander and mud and cleaning fluid off me. I didn’t “consent” to any of that either, it was 100% about the money. If you think having a dog piss on you is an honest job but sex work isn’t, I genuinely do not know what to tell you.

[bushcrafts]

Specifically I’m a big fan of the Nordic model of decriminalization, which is what the original post is about. You wouldn’t have the problem of talking in euphemisms bc of undercover cops because what you’re doing isn’t illegal, but you could report the man who raped you without fear you would be the one in legal trouble. I’m incredibly sorry you had to go through that, and I hope you are recovering and finding balance again.

Additionally, case studies have shown that the Nordic model does not significantly decrease demand for existing ‘sex workers’ but unlike full legalization and decriminalization, it a so doesn’t increase human trafficking significantly. Germany, a country with legal prostitution is now a huge human trafficking hotspot. I’d recommend looking up the Nordic model if you’re interested.

[thestrippershateyou]

Of course you like the Nordic Model 

[thestrippershateyou]

Oh, look, it’s my birthday!

[thestrippershateyou]

New addition to the 0F tip menu - For $300 I’ll get on a webcam in my oldest, most depressingly tattered silk robe, thigh high socks with some holes in the lace that are small but magically always visible on cam, a little locket necklace I’ll claim to have gotten from my dear deceased mother who would be so heartbroken if she could just see me now, and non waterproof eyeliner. 

I’ll listen to you for ten (10) minutes while tell me all about how I’m a tragic, prostituted woman and how you can save me while I gradually work up some fake tears and don’t make eye contact with you on camera because I appear too anxious and ashamed to do so. After your 10 minutes are up, I’ll spent another 10 minutes telling you how you’re really smart and really kind and I hadn’t realised it was possible to just not live this life but that I didn’t have the money to get out until you came along. I’ll gush about how $300 is more money than anyone has ever been kind enough to give sad, sorry little me in all my life and that I didn’t know I could ever be worth that kind of money. At that point, I’ll dab at the eyeliner running down my face and tell you I’m opening a note on my computer to save these links you’ve sent me to rescue orgs and radfem theory because theory was honestly EXACTLY what I needed to pay my rent so I didn’t have to fuck my terrible, no good, awful, very bad landlord again. 

I’ll thank you so much for this information and say that, after talking to you, I’ve really just come to understand that I was nothing more than a fuckhole for men, a subhuman cum dumpster, a stupid little handmaid, a piece of meat for men to put their cock in, just a bought and sold object who wasn’t even that pretty anyway, etc (fake self degradation costs $15/per insult after the first 5. There’s no upper limit but if you buy 10, I’ll throw in another “I’m just a prostituted woman” for free) and now I understand that I can actually just stop being the scum of the earth and being personally responsible for the actions of all rapists ever by simply quitting my job.

At that point, I’ll tell you I’m deleting my social medias that talk about sex work because I just need a whole new start away from that toxic nightmare. I’ll block you from all of them so it looks like the accounts no longer exist and I’ll add you on a fake instagram I started just for this. On it, I’ll post about how I dream of raising puppies with my lesbian (not bi!) girlfriend in our cottagecore inspired place in the woods where we are legally permitted to castrate any man who even breathes within a 50 foot radius of our property line because we assumed having a penis meant he was a rapist. 

You can stay on the account for one (1) week and then you get removed. 

Gonna call it the radfem special. 

[licensed-radfem-deactivated2023]

You really wrote all this, huh? You say down and created an imaginary terf who believes all this shit which goes directly against our actual beliefs and then got mad enough at your pretend radfem to write all this. You completely ignored the many radfems who are currently or were previously sex workers while also ignoring all the women who are trafficked in sex work daily. All so you could feel better by having won a fake argument with an imaginary radfem by making strawman after strawman.

[thestrippershateyou]

You: “Radfems don’t mistreat women because that goes against radfem beliefs! Many radfems are or were sex workers!”

Radfems in my notes *today*:

But radfems still think they can gaslight sex workers into believing that radical feminism respects the dignity and humanity of sex workers. 

[licensed-radfem-deactivated2023]

Lmao, that’s not a radfem. First of all, he’s a man. Second of all, he’s a run of the mill liberal with nothing even remotely about radical feminism on his blog. So congrats on trying to blame the misogyny of a man on women, but I can see right through it.

[thestrippershateyou]

It’s hilarious to me that radfems somehow remain entirely oblivious to the fact that men co-opted your ideology a long time ago and use it to both abuse women and alienate women from feminism. 

I know y’all pretend not to know that radfem women abuse sex workers because then you’d have to admit you’re okay with that. But it seems like y’all *really* don’t know that men are completely comfortable using radfem theory to advance their own causes and they’ve been doing it for a very long time. 

Idk how y’all manage to be that blind. Fuckin’ wild. 

[licensed-radfem-deactivated2023]

You clearly don’t know what radfem theory is. I can almost guarantee you’ve never actually read any of the theories, essays, books, or works behind radical feminism since you’re so egregiously off base. Show me a single place where this man used even one aspect of actual radical feminist theory.

[thestrippershateyou]

Generalising the world by his location? Check

Only acknowledging full service sex work as being sex work? Check

Only seeming to have any knowledge of local trafficking conditions while revealing a glaring lack of knowledge about consensual sex work? Check

Only willing to refer to sexual labour as work with quotation marks around it to convey his belief that sexual labour could never be considered real work? Check

Offers either no statistics or suspiciously specific statistics with no sources? Check

Implying that I am a liar? Check

Attempting to subtlety invoke a trauma bond in me by abusing and degrading me (”cumdumpster”, “cam slut”, presenting imagery of me as a toy) and then rapidly switching to acting confused by me being angry about the verbal abuse (”What?”), claiming to care about SW welfare (”I come from the workers movement”), and his message acting as if he was never abuse and only ever wished me the best (the last two sentences)? FUCKIN’ CHECK

This is literally a textbook radfem interaction. I get at least a couple like this from female radfems every time I check my notes. Y’all either don’t realise you’re mirroring the cycle of abuse, think that sex workers are too stupid to realise that’s what you’re doing, or don’t care if we realise that you’re doing it because you know us publicizing radical feminism normalises abusing sex workers is one of the few ways for radical feminism to get mainstream public approval since the public loves abusing us too. And, of course, radfems using right wing language and abuse tactics against us is a way to get y’alls foot in the door to working with right wingers on anti sex worker and anti trans policies which is why we have things like SESTA/FOSTA getting bipartisan approval. 

You must think this is my first day on the sociopolitical internet. How cute. 

[thestrippershateyou]

Radical feminists: “I don’t want sex workers to be arrested! No way! I just want their CLIENTS arrested. I would never take away sex worker’s freedom like that but I think anyone who would buy a sex worker’s services should be punished.”

Radical feminists when they think no one else is listening: “because if we arrest their clients then that means the sex workers will make no money doing sex work. Without an income, they’ll run out their savings accounts paying their bills. That way they’ll either become homeless and starve to death because they can’t pay rent and buy food with no income, or they’ll be forced to quit doing sex work and do a job that I approve of. It will be a job they didn’t want to do but it will give them a lower income than sex work which will mean they have to work too many hours to be able to see their clients or produce content in exchange for any kind of personal gain at all. That will get rid of sex work!”

[that-punk-music-witch]

As much as I want women to be independent, I don’t want it to be through sex work. Most radfems support a model that has exit programs and social services to help sex workers. I work with a former sex worker who got into IT because she saw it as her only way out. She’s my trainer and she’s so cool! There are ways out that will make you more money. Most sex workers want out of the industry!

[thestrippershateyou]

The Nordic model absolutely has exit programs and social services to help sex workers! Do you know why?

It’s because it’s illegal for anyone to help a sex worker in any way under the Nordic Model. It’s illegal for anyone to do most non sexual business with a sex worker under the Nordic Model. 

It’s illegal to rent an apartment to a sex worker so they aren’t homeless, accept sex workers as passengers in cabs so they don’t have to walk around the city alone, allow sex workers to drink at bars and have social lives outside of work, give sex workers any kind of harm reduction materials that could save their lives, give sex workers birth control, provide security to a sex worker so that they won’t get hurt, offer shelter to a sex worker if they’re homeless or trying to get away from an abuser, offer any kind of assistance AT ALL to sex workers including something like food money, or even be in a romantic relationship with a sex worker. 

The Nordic Model made it illegal for sex workers to get almost everything one needs to have a safe, secure life. Then the Nordic Model claimed it was sex work that caused sex workers to be homeless, hungry, poor, and mistreated. Nordic Model supporters point to rape statistics in Nordic Model countries. They just forget to mention that the Nordic Model one ups the western model by not just arresting sex workers and charging them with prostitution for trying to report being raped by a client, but responding to rape reports by conducting surveillance on sex workers, taking that surveillance to their landlords, and telling the landlord to either evict the sex worker or get arrested for facilitating prostitution by unknowingly renting to a sex worker. 

The Nordic Model caused the problem themselves. And then the government decided to start making these limited social programs available to sex workers on government terms so that they could tell the public that the government and the government alone was willing to help these poor, miserable sex workers who clearly had nothing because sex work caused them to be like that so that meant sex work was bad.

And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. 

[that-punk-music-witch]

I don’t fully support the Nordic Model for the reasons you stated. Sex work is not bad, the reasons women are forced into it are. I’m not fully anti sex work, I only wish so many sex workers weren’t basically forced into it. Sex work also leads some women to be victims of human trafficking.

[thestrippershateyou]

Sex work leads women to be victims of human trafficking the way a short skirt leads women to be raped.

It absolutely doesn’t. 

Sex traffickers lead women to be sex trafficked. Rapists lead women to be raped. In a world with absolutely 0 sex work, there will still be sex trafficking because people who desire to sexually traffic other people still exist. In a world where all skirts were floor length, rape would still exist because people who desire to rape others still exist. 

A woman choosing which sexual activities she wants to engage in, who she wants to engage in them with, how long she wants to engage in them, and on what conditions she wants to engage in them does not lead women to be raped. 

Stop vilifying women’s sexuality and victim blaming sexually trafficked people because it’s easier than admitting that sex traffickers are 100% responsible for their own actions and that stopping sex trafficking isn’t as easy as just controlling women’s lives. 

[that-punk-music-witch]

Agreed on the world without sex work there’d still be sex trafficking. However, sex for money isn’t full consent. It’s still coercion. Wanting sex work regulation doesn’t villify women’s sexuality. I will never blame a victim. I blame the evil men who commit rape and sex trafficking. That being said, prostitution and brothels have higher instances of sex trafficking. A woman making an only fans or stripping is not the sex work I’m talking about. However, you can’t deny that if someone pays for sex, they will try to take advantage of the prostitute and the prostitute will have less control of the situation than if she wasn’t doing it for money. Protections must be put in place and a safe way out must be provided for women who want that safety.

[thestrippershateyou]

- You can’t argue “______ for money isn’t consent. It’s coercion” unless you’re going to apply that to everything. Sex work is a job. It is workers owning their means of production and getting compensated by those who benefit from their labour. Either start arguing that all workers who work for a paycheck are being violated and need to be saved or stop acting like sex work exists in some special bubble where logical fallacies don’t exist and drop that idiotic argument. People are allowed to have conditions to their consent.

- “I want sex work regulation” is another way of saying “Why, yes, I want governments to have authority over what adults do with their own bodies”. Are you also pro life? No? Is that because you’re against the idea of a patriarchal government controlling a woman’s body and punishing her for making her own decisions for her own reproductive organs? Hmm, interesting. Very interesting.

- "prostitution and brothels have higher instances of sex trafficking” is, like, the weirdest vague way to try and manipulate the conversation in order to avoid discussing statistics and external factors. “the sexual labour industry has higher rates of illegal sexual labor than other industries that don’t have anything to do with sexual labour”. Well, I mean...yeah. Duh. And the house cleaning industry has higher rates of domestic labour trafficking than, idk, the fucking cheese making industry. Nail salons traffic more women to be nail tech than history museums do. Obviously. A private facility is pretty much the only place you could conceal a sex trafficking business with more than 2-3 trafficking victims. By definition, any private facility where somebody pays for ANY sexual intercourse is considered a brothel, regardless of if it is full of raped children or adults who are loudly campaigning for their own right to have sex on their own terms. So....yeah...OBVIOUSLY the overwhelming majority of sex trafficking will be in brothels. And when legal adult sex workers have to fight like hell to get even one (1) brothel opened for them to be able to have a safe, clean, advertised, well stocked, protected location for them to be able to go and do sex work together away from their homes but traffickers can get their own house called a brothel by pimping out their own kids to be raped in their beds.....then, yeah. That’s gonna cause there to be fewer numbers of good brothels and larger numbers of trafficking brothels. Like, do you not understand how external factors affect statistics? Do you really just think it’s as clear cut as “brothels have a high rate of trafficking so brothels are bad”?

- You’re not talking about stripping and onlyfans because you don’t want to. The rate of trafficking in those field of sex work is so low as compared to the rate of consenting sex workers that including them would dramatically change the statistics and result in the percentage of trafficking victims in the entire sex industry going down and the percentage of consenting sex workers going up. It would show you statistics that would benefit me more than you. This is the same reason why you want to talk about brothels but you don’t want to talk about how it’s nigh effortless to create a trafficking brothel and nigh impossible to create a safe and consensual brothel under the law. You don’t want to bring up details that are relevant but not beneficial to you.

-  “ However, you can’t deny that if someone pays for sex, they will try to take advantage of the prostitute". First off, you mean sex worker. Not prostitute. And, yes, I can deny that as it is, in fact, a non sequitur. Someone contacting a worker, saying “would you be okay with me paying for one of the services you offer?”, getting a clear cut “yes, and here are my terms”, and meeting those terms does not mean they will try to “take advantage” of the worker. The amount of people who go to a restaurant with the intention of running out on the check is miniscule next to the number of people who pay for something off the menu, eat it in a reasonable amount of time, and leave a polite tip on their way out. Spare me “Well I don’t mean in every industry!” too. Go back and reread the first point. Sex work doesn’t exist in a special bubble immune from logical fallacies.

- No, a sex worker doesn’t necessarily have less control over the situation if there’s money involved. I assure you a rapist will be just as quick to rape a victim regardless of if they had to bring money with them. In fact, I would argue that sex workers have MORE control over the situation when it’s professional because it’s expected that they will be the ones providing a list of available services, full service clients expect to be vetted, and in venues like strip clubs, there are lots of cameras and security. In fact, the strip club was probably the only place I ever felt safe fully relaxing while being sexy. Even with partners, I often thought “I just want to be sexy and play around and they’re going to get turned on and want more. They’ll respect it when I say no but I’ll still feel a bit bad.”. They expect a no in the strip club. Most of the time they don’t even seriously ask the question in the first place. If they did decide they didn’t like the word no, then my club is filled with several extremely large men who are willing to be violent in exchange for a paycheck (do you assume they’re soft, sweet men coerced by money to be violent??) who will remove anyone who tries to resist the word “no”.

- Protections should be in the form of rape, statutory rape, assault, kidnapping, threats, blackmail, trafficking, abuse, etc being illegal and ENFORCED ALL THE TIME. No exceptions. If all of those were always enforced  ALL THE TIME then there would be no need for buying or selling sex to be illegal and no one would feel scared of the legal system punishing them for coming forward about being the victim of one of those things. Protections should also exist in the form of banning discrimination against sex workers which would utterly eliminate the need for any exit programs and most welfare programs. Sex workers need exit programs because it’s legal for companies to go “Oh, you were a whore? Unless you’re wanting me to hire you to suck my dick then why are you here? It’s not like you have any other skills.” and, thus, sex workers can’t get non sex work jobs without programs in place to do things like provide fake references, offer short term jobs to pad a resume, and research companies to find out of they’ll pull that shit or not. Due to the assumption that sex workers are braindead sex dolls, it’s also not uncommon for colleges, trade schools, apprenticeships, certification programs, etc to deny admission to sex workers too. It’s also not uncommon to deny sex workers the ability to sign a lease even in non nordic model countries. If all the discrimination were banned, these issues would not persist and it would be no more difficult for a person of any gender to find their way out of sex work than it would be for them to find their way out of waiting tables. 

- “tHiS wAs tOo LoNg”. No, it wasn’t. I’ve read through countless whole studies on all parts of the sex industry, all with pages numbering in the 2 digits. I regularly have to do this because radfems like to claim some study or another proves me wrong and I’ve learned that, when I read the study, I will almost always find it doesn’t say when they claim it says. And the only way for me to know is to spend hours reading shit I don’t want to read. I have ADHD and I don’t care if people don’t like how long my long posts are when they engage me in complex topics pertaining to my survival and expect me to make it convenient for them.

[thestrippershateyou]

[nekrom]

I’ll chop off their dicks in the guillotine for free till they bleed out 🥰

[saucyboystatus]

Why would I pay for you to get an axe wound to your taint?

[haram-terf-deactivated20251029]

Because sex doesn’t equal gender. You in a bad cosplay of what you think a woman looks like still makes you a man. You still have the genetics you were born with that makes you male. Chopping off your penis doesn’t change that you’re MALE, not FEMALE. Therefore you aren’t allowed in women’s spaces.

Pay for your own happiness like everyone else.

[thestrippershateyou]

Radfems: “Oh, you’re trans? Pay for your happiness like everyone else!”

Every single radfem blog I’ve ever has the midfortune of scrolling through: “Please donate to my friend’s gofundme, they’re trying to get new laptop! Please donate to my friend’s cashapp, they’re trying to start a new business! Please donate to my friend’s paypal, they’re trying to move! Please donate to my friend’s kickstarter, they’re trying to get on this medication! Please donate to my friend’s paypal, they’re trying to buy a new phone! Please donate to my friend’s venmo, they’re trying to [insert literally anything here that makes a person happier].”

[haram-terf-deactivated20251029]

Radfem blogs reblogging other women’s posts asking for help to better their own lives when they have exhausted all other means of raising their own funds is not the same as some autogynophiles asking for funds for surgeries that have little to no guarantee of alleviating their wishful delusions of being a woman.

Regardless, trans women have been, are, and will always be men.

[thestrippershateyou]

Right, well, you’re wrong. But you’re also just a random nobody on the internet with no power which means it’s not like you being wrong really matters that much. So go ahead and play pretend for awhile, I guess.

Sure, Santa Claus is real, the earth is flat, you’re smart and gorgeous, everyone in your life loves you, and every single idea you have about trans people is totally correct. You’re so clever!

[thestrippershateyou]

New addition to the 0F tip menu - For $300 I’ll get on a webcam in my oldest, most depressingly tattered silk robe, thigh high socks with some holes in the lace that are small but magically always visible on cam, a little locket necklace I’ll claim to have gotten from my dear deceased mother who would be so heartbroken if she could just see me now, and non waterproof eyeliner. 

I’ll listen to you for ten (10) minutes while tell me all about how I’m a tragic, prostituted woman and how you can save me while I gradually work up some fake tears and don’t make eye contact with you on camera because I appear too anxious and ashamed to do so. After your 10 minutes are up, I’ll spent another 10 minutes telling you how you’re really smart and really kind and I hadn’t realised it was possible to just not live this life but that I didn’t have the money to get out until you came along. I’ll gush about how $300 is more money than anyone has ever been kind enough to give sad, sorry little me in all my life and that I didn’t know I could ever be worth that kind of money. At that point, I’ll dab at the eyeliner running down my face and tell you I’m opening a note on my computer to save these links you’ve sent me to rescue orgs and radfem theory because theory was honestly EXACTLY what I needed to pay my rent so I didn’t have to fuck my terrible, no good, awful, very bad landlord again. 

I’ll thank you so much for this information and say that, after talking to you, I’ve really just come to understand that I was nothing more than a fuckhole for men, a subhuman cum dumpster, a stupid little handmaid, a piece of meat for men to put their cock in, just a bought and sold object who wasn’t even that pretty anyway, etc (fake self degradation costs $15/per insult after the first 5. There’s no upper limit but if you buy 10, I’ll throw in another “I’m just a prostituted woman” for free) and now I understand that I can actually just stop being the scum of the earth and being personally responsible for the actions of all rapists ever by simply quitting my job.

At that point, I’ll tell you I’m deleting my social medias that talk about sex work because I just need a whole new start away from that toxic nightmare. I’ll block you from all of them so it looks like the accounts no longer exist and I’ll add you on a fake instagram I started just for this. On it, I’ll post about how I dream of raising puppies with my lesbian (not bi!) girlfriend in our cottagecore inspired place in the woods where we are legally permitted to castrate any man who even breathes within a 50 foot radius of our property line because we assumed having a penis meant he was a rapist. 

You can stay on the account for one (1) week and then you get removed. 

Gonna call it the radfem special. 

[licensed-radfem-deactivated2023]

You really wrote all this, huh? You say down and created an imaginary terf who believes all this shit which goes directly against our actual beliefs and then got mad enough at your pretend radfem to write all this. You completely ignored the many radfems who are currently or were previously sex workers while also ignoring all the women who are trafficked in sex work daily. All so you could feel better by having won a fake argument with an imaginary radfem by making strawman after strawman.

[thestrippershateyou]

You: “Radfems don’t mistreat women because that goes against radfem beliefs! Many radfems are or were sex workers!”

Radfems in my notes *today*:

But radfems still think they can gaslight sex workers into believing that radical feminism respects the dignity and humanity of sex workers. 

[licensed-radfem-deactivated2023]

Lmao, that’s not a radfem. First of all, he’s a man. Second of all, he’s a run of the mill liberal with nothing even remotely about radical feminism on his blog. So congrats on trying to blame the misogyny of a man on women, but I can see right through it.

[thestrippershateyou]

It’s hilarious to me that radfems somehow remain entirely oblivious to the fact that men co-opted your ideology a long time ago and use it to both abuse women and alienate women from feminism. 

I know y’all pretend not to know that radfem women abuse sex workers because then you’d have to admit you’re okay with that. But it seems like y’all *really* don’t know that men are completely comfortable using radfem theory to advance their own causes and they’ve been doing it for a very long time. 

Idk how y’all manage to be that blind. Fuckin’ wild.