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one of these things, ainât like the others
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I was thinking the SAME thing!!!
WAIT WHATâŚ.. I noticed that shit tooâŚ.
White people wanna be oppressed so bad
I think what theyâre referencing is Appalachian âhillbillyâ culture. Theyâre oppressed mainly because of classism, not racism (obviously), but theyâre still pretty heavily marginalised and America (because of the structures of oppression and privilege in which America operates) has a hard time including into the usual discourse. Iâm not 100% sure if Iâd include them in this photo set, but I can see where theyâre coming from.
one of these things, ainât like the others
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I was thinking the SAME thing!!!
WAIT WHATâŚ.. I noticed that shit tooâŚ.
White people wanna be oppressed so bad
Classism is a thing, poor white people are oppressed and stereotypes about them do negatively affect them.
Thatâs true, but I think itâs a huge fuck-up to put it with clear examples of racist stereotyping as opposed to making a photoset that exposes other stereotyping.
I donât think itâs really correct to classify the treatment of appalachians as just classism, though. I mean, race is socially constructed, and the way appalachians in particular have been treated shares many traits with the experiences of racialized groups despite their skin color.
Thereâs the long-standing use of their poverty as both a way to extract underpaid labour and to claim that theyâre less intelligent and immoral, thereâs the continuous treatment of their dialect as not real language, and the denigration of every part of their culture.
Theyâre also largely descendants of immigrating people that where at the time considered non-white; while âwhat about the irishâ is often used as an excuse by racists not to discuss race, rasism against irish people where at one point the default, and appalachians had a lot of irish blood in them - and this was used against them politically.
Iâm not saying appalachians face the same situation as black people, or as native americans, or muslims, but I think we ought not to reduce it to a matter of only skin color; many jewish people have fairly light skin, yet jewish people are still racialized by society. There are many white muslims (mainly from eastern europe) and they are still racialized. Appalachians face issues that are not just classism, and that have a lot of things in common with racism, so including it on a poster with the label âweâre a culture, not a costumeâ doesnât seem that off.
So while yes, âpoor white people are oppressedâ is correct, and while mixing that up with racism is bad, in this case I think itâs not quite that simple. Charicatures of appalachians are not just classist, and they donât target all âpoor white peopleâ; they target one specific group of genetically similar people that have been and are treated like shit, and who have a long history of having their situation dismissed with excuses based on them being biologically, genetically and culturally inferior. Itâs very specific.
Thatâs true, and I apologize for thinking this was a caricature of rural white poverty in the south before Appalachians as an ethnic group. But itâs still in incredibly bad taste to throw other types of stereotyping in with specifically racist stereotyping.
(While ethnic stereotyping is highly racialized and youâre right, thereâs a large history of overlap - why ethnic discrimination can be so racialized*⌠itâs not the same as racism. Studies show perceived race trumps ethnicity as far as whether youâre going to be stigmatized or not, which Iâm sure you know anyway given what youâve written. I worry about it setting a precedent for people making false equivalencies or using said photos much like the Irish to âproveâ white people âexperience racial oppression.â Comparatively, you could say âItâs my culture, not a costumeâ and include photos of ethnic/ethnoreligious/religious groups that include white people without grouping it with racist costumes. The distinction, IMO, is very important, since ethnic discrimination is already utilized by those of us with white privilege to claim things like reverse racism exist.)
*Iâve seen a lot of people argue that ethnic discrimination against groups perceived as white today in the USA was never racism, but thatâs a completely other discussion and Iâm a bit on the fence about that argument myself, and Iâm not sure if itâs because of some logical inconsistencies or if itâs internalized racism Iâm still unlearning. So, different can of worms.
Iâm sorry but why the fuck is the redneck one in there?
@sixth-impact Thatâs not a âredneckâ, thatâs an Appalachian student who attends Ohio University. The prejudice in your comment reveals exactly why that poster needed to be included - people from Appalachia, one of the poorest regions in the entire United States, are presumed to be less intelligent, to be âinbredâ, âhicksâ, and ârednecksâ everywhere they go by people like you for the way they speak, as well as for their lifestyle and economic circumstances. As someone who actually helped make these posters and spoke to the Appalachian students who requested its inclusion, I can tell you that this issue is not and should not be a joke.
To anyone who saw my reblog where I said that the inclusion of the white guy was almost certainly about anti-Appalachian bias, I was right. Here it is from someone actually involved in the making of those posters.
Discrimination against people from Appalachia is actually an issue, both historical and modern, and thatâs why I always cringe when we intellegent and enlightened whites always take potshots at âhillbillies.â It is not a form of âreverse racismâ, itâs a category of discrimination that should be looked at in its own right as a sui generis phenomenon.
Many people of Appalachian origin are the descendants of Celtic, Irish, and Scottish slaves and indentured servants, which, in the words of Ohio University social work professor Susan Sarnoff, means that:
âŚwhite Appalachians share histories that are often closer to those of African-American slaves than of other white immigrantsâthey were brought against their will, without family, property, prospects or preparation for the changes they would face in this country.Â
Historically speaking, Appalachia has also been the victim of a model of natural resource extraction that resembles whatâs seen in third world nations, so much so that some scholars have even referred to it as an example of American colonialism. Coal was mined by workers in horrible working conditions and then exported to other parts of the nation for use by exploitative companies, with very little of the benefits ever returning to the workers in the form of either income or infrastructure and economic development. At the same time, there was also widespread extraction by the lumber industry. Itâs no wonder that so much of American labor organization has occurred in the mining industry, in order to fight back against these conditions.Â
As a result of this model of extraction, poverty has always been enormously high in Appalachia, and it remains so today: 16 of the 100 lowest-income counties in America are in Eastern Kentucky. I go to school in the North Carolina mountains, and my county has a 27% poverty rate, almost double the national average of 15%. I once drove no more than 20 miles off campus on some back roads and found a one-room shack that I believe someone was living in.
Appalachians who want to escape this poverty by moving elsewhere faced discrimination by others. According to historian Ronald Ellerâs book, âUneven Ground: Appalachia since 1945âł:
Convinced that Appalachians were ignorant, lazy, unclean, and sometimes immoral, community leaders bemoaned their arrival as âa sore to the city and a plague to themselvesâ and blamed them for rising crime, congestion, and a host of other urban maladies. âIn my opinion they are worse than the colored,â complained a Chicago police captain. âThey are vicious and knife happy⌠I canât say this publicly, but youâll never improve the neighborhood until you get rid of them.â
Using imagery similar to that applied to other migrant populations, especially African Americans from the Deep South, northerners developed a repertoire of ethnic hillbilly jokes that reflected deep-seated fears and a misunderstanding of mountain culture. Many of the jokes poked fun at the lack of education, sophistication, and resources of mountain migrants; others cruelly implied immorality and ignorance.
Because of this, anti-Appalachian discrimination is recognized by the government of the city of Cincinnati, whose legal code explicitly includes discrimination against people of âAppalachian regional originâ in their legal definition of âdiscriminateâ.
Discrimination of that sort, in fact, led to eugenics programs in this country getting their Constitutional justification. In the Supreme Court case of Buck v. Bell in 1927, a white 18-year-old rape victim and middle school dropout from Virginia named Carrie Buck was ordered to be forcibly sterilized due to her allegedly poor mental capacities (she was actually a woman of average intelligence from what I understand, but it doesnât really matter). The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 that her sterilization was Constitutional and preventing what was seen as white trash from breeding was in the legitimate public interest of Virginia. In the ruling, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. commented that Buck, her mother, and her child were all âfeeble-minded,â and that âThree generations of imbeciles are enough.â The case upheld the legitimacy of sterilization programs all over the nation that inevitably went on to be used against women of color, and was even used by Nazi doctors to justify their actions at the Nuremburg trials.
These negative perceptions- lazy, uneducated, uncultured, white trash hillbillies- is still prevalent and accepted in society today. Their association with parts of Appalachian culture (the accent and dialect comes to mind) allows for continued discrimination today. This isnât âboo hoo why isnât there a white history monthâ stuff, this is a group of culturally distinct people who have faced unique forms of historical discrimination and oppression that persists in various forms today.
I love it when people do their damn homework! Good job guys in shooting down this stereotyping fast, Iâm proud to get to witness it!
Comedian, Civil Rights Activist, entrepreneur and writer Dick Gregory (born Richard Claxton Gregory in St. Louis, MO) - October 12, 1932 - August 19, 2017, RIP
Itâs such a tragedy when peopleâs careers are affected by sending out 10 page long screeds abt why women are biologically inferior in yr workplace to everyone