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Interesting how people will pile on Tim for "stealing" Jason's mantle but no one comes after Steph for stealing Tim's.

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IKR especially consider Jason took the longest to be replaced IRL an in the comics

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With all the talk about Jason and Tim finding their parent's dead bodies i'd like to head canon that's the reason they share a nightmare in knight terrors.

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I can't for the life of me view Tim and Duke as "the normal one's"

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Tim Drake haters: I hate Tim so I'll make him suffer

Tim Drake fans: I love Tim so i'll make him suffer

DC: i'll make Tim suffer

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Who's the bigger Tim Glazer

Bruce Wayne

Dick Grayson

Other(s)

Results

Voting ended onOct 25, 2025

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!Quick Rant!

Ok so a problem I have with modern Bat family comics, and it's how Dick and Tim's relationship has been handled for like the past decade. It's really really bad, for one their "deaths" I know faked but neither of them barely reaction to it. We could've had an arc Tim feeling guilty for not being able to save Dick in forever evil, And Dick being absolutely devastated that Tim sacrificed himself when he "died" both of would not take each other death well. These "deaths" should have broken them at the bare minimum at least bring the deaths up and be sad about it.

Not to mention they barely interact sure we get some here and there but when we do it's with other bat family members or with other Robins. Sure we got that one issue in Tom Taylors run but my point still stands.

And I think the worse offender was the Ric Grayson arc, for the ones don't know the original idea was that Dick lose his Tim would be Nightwing in his place. But nope we not actual story and Tim doesn't or barley reacts or be there for Dick at all. Not to mention media outside the comics they don't have the relationship in the comics (Seriously Tim and Dick don't share screen time in the Arkham games, and don't have special one on one cutscene in Gotham Knights)

But at least we do have some moments between them that I do like, for one Dick being the most devasted and hurt at the idea that he might of "failed Tim" basically bed rotting In Robins: Being Robin #4. And in Titans United: Blood Pact #2 Dick and Tim hugging each and Dick Tim "Where have you been?"

There both some the most important people in their lives, but it doesn't feel like that anymore sure they say that there close but we don't see that anymore.

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I saw a video by NatrixNate, and honestly it's with batman(2025) issue #2 in regards of Bruce teaching Tim on how to drive a manual car. It's not that deep people this probably a one time thing anyways

Plus as a bonus we get to see Bruce teaching one of kids how to drive. (and no I'm not counting the he taught Cass on how to drive plane, it's not really same save driving a car)

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"Tim Drake is normal and most mentally stable Robin" the 99 failed super-boy clones beg to differ

There is no such thing as a mentally stable Robin

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I would not want to be Tim or Damian, and it's not because of the shit they go through. No it's because I wouldn't want hear people talk about how hot Dick and Jason are and how much they wanna fuck them. not the mention all the people who have the hots for Bruce.

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World's Worst Sibling Round 2

Robin | Tim Drake

Owlman | Thomas Wayne Jr.

Voting ended onAug 25, 2025

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How the fuck did Tim win this poll in what world?? Even if don't like Tim, Thomas is just worse brother and person

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I don't think we talk about how exactly Tim got replaced vs how the others got replaced as Robin enough.

Because the thing is, the others left.

Jason goes bezerk at Tim for being a pretender, the robin to replace him, Dick is mad at Jason for taking his name and his connection with his family, but they were both unavailable. Tim was still there.

Dick left. We can say Jason replaced him all we want- and he did! But Dick left. He lost tue robin mantle, but it was months before he was replaced. He was already moving on to nightwing when Jason turned up. Don't get me wrong, his anger is justified. But in this sense, Robin was placed in the gap he had left.

Jason was dead. And sure, he's mad about what happened when he was dead, but the long and short of it is, not that many people had died and come back yet. There was no reason for Bruce to hold on to the mantle as if Jason would return for it. I fully get Jason's anger, but at the end of the day, he was dead. People move on. And it's horrible to learn if you come back, but people shouldn't hold out as if you'll come back, typically they don't and assuming they will is unhealthy. At least until the phenomenon had been repeated multiple times. His anger? Understandable. But he was dead. He was gone, a gap was left behind, and it got filled.

Also he's a Detective i fully think he should have done more research into everything that happened after he died like Batman legit got blackmailed bro 😅

Anyway. Dick and Jason's anger is justified. But they had already left the mantle one way or another Before they were replaced.

But Tim was still there. He came down to the cave expecting to put on his suit- to discover this kid that had been boasting his superiority in his suit and then discovers Dick had given it away without asking. There was no gap, he was replaced anyway.

He'd been replaced once, with Steph. And it was complicated and messy but it couldn't be as hurtful because, like the ones before him, he'd left and he understood that.

But with Damian he was still robin. There was no arguement, no lead up, no reason to assume this lifeline would be given away when he'd already lost so much.

I'm not trying to villainise anyone here. Just bring attention to the reason i think people find Tim's replacement such a conflict compared to the others- Tim had been there.

This wasn't a Batman putting a robin in the place of a gap, this wasn't adding a robin to be Batman's moral compass and light, because robin was still in action. It wasn't talked about nor was he given warning. He came downstairs, to learn the hard way he'd just lost the suit. Just like that.

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I wish the comic themselves would address but I doubt they would.

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Who do you think is better leader

Batman/Bruce Wayne

Nightwing/Dick Grayson

Voting ended onAug 15, 2025

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if you're new to batman comics and can't tell the Robins apart don't worry DC themselves can't tell them apart.

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Ranking the Robins and how well they have been adapted.

I will be include all the characters who have been Robin who have been adapted but only from the comics so no Matt McGinnis. Also this isn't on how accurate they are just how well there treated. An other my opinion (but not my opinion on the characters).

#7. Stephanie Brown:

Started with off the robin who I think has the worst adaptions our girl Stephanie. The problem is that shows that make a glorified background character with a speaking role (or she was in Gotham knights tv show but that doesn't help at all). it she feels less because want to adapted but more "hey comic readers the character you like is in our show" (so a glorified cameo). Maybe one day we'll get a good Stephanie adaptation.

#6. Tim Drake:

Now Tim here was originally at the bottom of the list until I decided to and all the Robins who have apparencies outside of comics. Now Tim is the robin with the second adaptations but writers can't seem to get him right. and he does have good ones but most of time never spend to much time with so barley get to fully enjoy him. Not to mention he never consistent personality. And just to add he's the only one out main 4 robins to not have his origin adapted. Tim just never fully feels like Tim in any adaption so that's why he's so low.

#5. Duke Thomas

So ignoring the if Duke's a Robin or not debate, He is Robin in the Bat wheels show that's why he's here. There's not much to say it's not bad but I don't think having Dukes first appearance outside but pre-school show but I do love how A.J Hudson voice work so there's that. He feels like (well as much you can do in pre-school show).

#4. Jason Todd

Now Jason is the Robin on this list, who benefited form having adaptations. Having said that Jason adaptations are always a mixed bag. The goods are just flawed in their writing or just plain bad (and totally misunderstands character) that's all have to say.

#3. Dick Grayson

Would figure one Dc popular characters and the Robin with the most adaptions would be number one but no there a mixed bag. He did start off good that was Golden Dick not modern day and that's big difference. When he shine he's great but when not he's just glorified punching bag or butt of joke (yes pun initiated).

#2. Carrie Kelly.

I don't have a lot to say but they get right at least like she is Carrie Kelly in every adaption.

#1. Damian Wayne

Not only do I think he has best adaptions he is best adapted Robin in my opinion. Like if have make a tier-list on the robins based on their adaptions Damian would be S tier and the rest would be C or D tier. The writers do him justice in the movie he appears sure he takes the spotlight but hey at least one of the Robin's they got right in all there adaptions.

but ya this all my opinion.

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So this is a continuation of my last my post where I explain why I think Bruce is responsible for Jason's death just not in way most people think. This post is explain why I don't like it.

Now I don't mind it to much because, realistically sidekicks aren't real but guess what so a costumed superhero with powers or their sidekicks. But what bugs me about Jason shouldn't be robin is that ignores all the hero's who have sidekicks especially the other robins who have just valid reason why they shouldn't be robin.

Yes all the robins all grateful of Bruce for taking them and raising them but also caused some emotional problems (yes I know that's putting lightly)

Tim was essentially a therapy dog/emotional anchor for the bat family. Not to mention Damian also died Is so why is Jason the only expectation and there is bunch more examples and not even for the robins.

So that why I'm not a big fan this opinion it's not wrong but they ignore the other robins and other sidekicks in comics not just DC.

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I don't think Bruce is responsible for Jason's death the way people think he is.

Ok so I know that title is confusing but let me explain. I see a lot takes that Bruce is responsible for Jason's death now, I do think partially is responsible I don't agree with the why. No I don't think Bruce is responsible death because he made Jason robin and this and my next is going to explain why.

Now why do I think well reading death in the family. It's clear Jason going through a lot he hasn't gotten the to mourn/process his parents death, then to add salt to the wound he thought Bruce was gonna take Robin away (albeit temporally). So Jason runs away to find his biological mother.

Now fast forward to the issue where Jason dies, Jason sees that Joker is using his Sheila and he rushes to tell Bruce about it. What happens next is why I think Bruce responsible for Jason's death, He tells Jason to stay put despite the fact he knows Jason isn't in the right headspace. Because in Jason's perspective he found his mom after thinking she dead for years of course he'd go and try to save her leading to his death.

But if I'm being honest Shelia and Joker are way more responsible for Jason's death than anyone else.

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Tim's "choice" on being Robin

So this part on my last post Link here if you want to read it (you don't have to understand this post)

Now the reason I made these two specifically this is that I feel writers kind of butchered Tim's motive on become the why he become Robin in the first place. Now these days the writers make story "He wanted to be Robin so he became Robin" which is plain wrong. And will be ignoring the New 52 version of Tim for this since he did want to be "Robin".

So first A lonely place of dying Tim first appearance (technically second since he was in Batman year 3 but that doesn't matter) his whole goal was to track down Dick and make him robin again. Tim had no intentions of becoming Robin in first place, He even said so to Alfred. Tim's whole whole speech to Batman in a lonely place of living is more why he needs a robin, not why Tim should be robin. I also wanna last pages of that story Tim says he understand if Bruce doesn't make Robin and Tim is completely ok with that.

So yes he did choose to be Robin but wasn't because wanted to be, it's because he wanted to help Batman and you'd such a simple motive wouldn't this butchered and even more simplified. Now him wanted Robin makes like thrill/daredevil and it goes his character and what we learned about him.