yo like so why do all endos claim their host is the core???
Definitely not all. We-Shea donât even have a core. We used to fight over which of us was the ârealâ Shea, ie, the core. But we realized more than two decades ago that we donât have one. Weâre all equally part of that overarching identity we share, and none of us own it any more than the rest.
As that gestalt person/identity though, we four-in-one are the original owner of the body. At age 15, we created Jas, and in tulpa community terms, that makes us her host. But Jas created the other three and so by that same variation of meaning, that makes her their host.
Then youâve got the meaning of âhostâ as âprimary fronterâ. I tend to refer to us-Shea as the host only because itâs more or less our gestalt persona thatâs our singlet mask, but Varyn is equally host in terms of fronting and responsibility.
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Also, generally speaking, endogenic systems tend not to switch primary fronters at the rate that traumagenic systems tend to. In traumagenic systems, thatâs often because of burnout. Endogenics tend to experience fronter burnout much less frequently, and typically much less severely, than traumagenics do.
Nor do we have a core who is more vulnerable than many of the others in the system due to trauma, as many traumagenic systems do. While thereâs definitely variable strength and resilience among endogenic system members, itâs rarely as dramatically so as in traumagenic systems. Our systems arenât the result of a traumatized brain trying to protect its inhabitants, and we donât usually have as severe of issues with post-traumatic stress affecting our systemâs functioning.
So it makes sense that thereâd usually be more stability in an endogenic system. Not that itâs never seen in traumagenic systems, of course. But that kind of stability tends to be more common in one subset of traumagenic systems: those that have mostly healed from their trauma - systems that would likely consider themselves to be healthy multiples.
Because having a system where youâre frequently changing hosts isnât a matter of validity, but necessity.
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Is there supposed to be some sense in this Iâm missing?
All Iâm seeing is:
âWhy are all endos like this?â
âIâm not like this, Iâm like this other thing. Hereâs reasons why I and others are not like this.â
âROFL âIâm this other thingââ
And thatâs illogical. Itâs not even appeal to ridicule, itâs just straight up ridicule. Which isnât discourse. Itâs just finding something funny for, as far as I can tell, no good reason.
Because as you should know, there are plenty of DID systems that donât have a core either. Itâs nothing to laugh at or find funny.
So if thatâs what youâre doing, then shame on you for thinking it is.
they do have a core the core just never became their own person. everyone is born with one default person. everyone had a core at one point in time. in a lot of cases the core is dormant but just being born as an empty shell isnât something that can happen.
As stated in that link in that previous reply of ours:
âIn cases in which there is no core, itâs likely that trauma began at such a young age that the child never got a chance to integrate in any significantly centralized way before they were required to form different self states to handle different aspects of their lifeâ.
Babies donât have a sense of self. Theyâre aware, sure, not an âempty shellâ - but they donât have a developed enough brain yet to have a clear sense of self. They develop that over time. This is pretty foundational to the theory of structural dissociation.
We four never became one default person to begin with. (Not because of trauma, but because of other reasons, but thatâs a discussion for another time.)
All four of us were equally âdefaultsâ from very very young, at least from our earliest memory (aside from one infancy memory where we definitely didnât have a sense of self yet.) From age 4 at least, 5 at the latest.
As far as anyone can tell, we never had one person who then split. Never got that far! Lol.
And even if you could make a solid enough argument to which we could say, okay maaaaybe there was a thing you could say was one person ⊠Still, none of us four people are any more that person than any of the others. For most of our early childhood, each of us four argued (very ineffectively) to the others, âIâm the real Shea, the rest of you are my parts.â We ended up finally recognizing that weâre all (together) Shea AND weâre all (individually) parts/facets - equal persons individually, who all make equal contributions to the gestalt person that outsiders call Shea, and none of us lesser than the others.
(Recognizing all that was the easy part. Actually treating each other that way, that was hard - still is sometimes.)
None of us four are, by themself, our true core. None of us are more the birth person than any of the rest of us.
In that sense, we have no one who is our core.
But in another sense we are all four of us equally part of the core, since weâre all equally parts of what might have become one person if weâd developed differently (and been different ourselves - thereâs fundamental differences in our personalities and mindsets that make us too Oil and Water to really integrate.)
Also it was just us four until age 15. We four - the subsystem who weâre referring to when we say âwe-Sheaâ - have no core.
But after that, with the development of the rest of the Crew (who werenât splits, none of us four lost anything when they were created), you could say that in relation to the rest of the Crew, we-Shea (as a subsystem and a gestalt person) are the core.
(If âgestalt personâ doesnât make sense, think of it as being much like several systemmates agreeing to all identify as and contribute to the singlet mask, who everyone else knows you all as. Except we did the identifying and contributing before we really figured out that none of us alone were actually that maskâŠ.)
Hope that makes some sense.
We have DID, we do have a main fronter (whoâs kinda gone from main fronter to solo fronter for a while now. Itâs a little frustrating for the rest of us but itâs easier to navigate life this way) but itâs not the same one we were born with. This one developed through fusion from what we can tell and became a thing only when we were about 14 or so. The original just... disappeared. She probably fused with someone else, we donât know for sure.
Weâre literally talking about people whose brains have fractured their identity, why is it so hard for people to think that a) there are naturally occurring versions of the trauma version since obviously our brains are capable of splitting like this in the first place and b) that for some people there is no core per se and rather multiple people make up the core. Multiplicity debates are weird.
