Randomness That Sometimes (Never) Makes Sense

This is my blog of nonsense, but occasionally something will have some meaning, like my cemetery post. I used to post politics here but my politics blog is now purely-political-blog so if you followed me for my politics that is the one you should be following

[were-all-high]

I made a mistake not long ago

My friend told me she wanted to go

I didn’t believe her, and I laughed at her joke

She smiled like she was fine, but her heart broke

She had had enough, and she finally snapped

To take away the pain, the hurt, she was trapped

She got the pills, and swallowed each one

Didn’t say goodbye, she was just done

The next morning she woke up feeling worse than the last

But she needed out, she needed out fast

She went to church, and I could finally see

All the jokes, the smiles, they were just a screen

I took her under the stairs, and asked for the truth

She started to sob, and showed me the proof

Scars on her arms, years of pain

She told me she couldn’t go the go through a day again

She had taken the pills, she had tried to get away

But it hadn’t been enough, she was still here today

I told her I loved her, and didn’t want her to die

She laughed darkly, and could no longer cry

“You’ve told me different, every single day

Told me that I had no reason to stay

You kept saying the world would be better if I was gone

And I started believing that you weren’t wrong”

I pulled her into a hug, and apologised time and time again

I said I didn’t know I had been a bad friend

I had thought all those times they were just jokes, for fun

I didn’t know she thought the world needed her gone

I took her aside, and we skipped the prayer

So we told our own, in that place under the stairs

“God, please help the ones who need you

The ones who feel like they can’t see you

Help them know that there are those who care

That there are people who will always be there

Because no one is alone, not truly at least

Everyone has someone to help them fight the beast

The depression, the hurt, the anger at the world

No one’s alone, there’s someone out there, concerned

Concerned that one day they’ll wake up, and their friend will be gone

The friend who they love, who they cherish from dawn to dawn

Because no ones alone in this great big earth

You just have to know where to find that self worth.”

She turned to me, and for the first time in a while

I could see in her eyes, that real, joyful smile

“Thank you for being the friend I need”

I smiled back. It was no large deed

All I did was help her see

That her true worth didn’t lay with me

Her true worth came in the kindness she showed

It was displayed in the love she overflowed

The joy she gave others, even at her worst

The laughter she spread, the smiles she dispersed

I just showed her that it didn’t matter what I said

The world wold never be better off with her dead

Because she truly was unique, special, one of a kind

And her self worth was how she saw herself in her own mind

No matter who tells you “you’ll never be more,”

You get back up and say, “no, I’m going to soar.”

[were-all-high]

I’ve moved on to depression with Mozzie . I kid you not ive moved through the first four relatively quickly, but I’m gonna be stuck here for a little while

I think I’ll built myself a little house

settle in

get comfortable

make more collages

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[tobeyisprochoice]

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First things first...name calling right off the bat? Not the best move. And definitely seems like projecting.

Secondly, a lot of this is in response to @mysterious-foxes points. So, I’m only gonna respond to the part of your rant that was in response to what I said (to best avoid taking your words out of context obv):

“Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant.”

A zygote/embryo/fetus is literally not an infant.

“Zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” refer to stages of gestational development and are applicable before birth. “Infant” is applicable after birth.

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

It’s still inside her body and it’s her body that is pregnant, yes. A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant about to give birth.

[mysterious-foxes]

Laughing that this person thinks that someone who is brain dead is actually dead yet 😂 thanks to them for proving they don't understand facts and science. Wonder why time of death goes based off of when they pronounce them brain dead and not hours later after they harvest organs, or hours later when they pull the plug. Oh yeah, it's because we actually measure life by brain activity, not heartbeat, or kidneys, or liver, or whatever else. You know, seeing as your heart can literally stop and you be alive 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah, about 30% of abortions happen after 7 weeks. But I wasn't even talking about when abortions happen. I was talking about when we consider there to be a heartbeat. I guess I can see where the confusion was on that though.

This person is now backpeddaling. "I said it has separate human DNA". No, you said that it has its own DNA. Which was what the cancerous tumors was referring to. Then later you said it's clearly human DNA which is what sperm have 🤦🏻‍♀️

About talking to people who have abortions, either you've only talked to a couple who are part of the 5% who regret it (btw, they're not sterile because of their abortion, that's a myth), you're lying, or you're not actually listening and twisting what they're saying. Most people don't regret their abortion. Also, just putting a child up for adoption is a great option for someone who doesn't want to be a parent. It's not an option for someone who doesn't want to be pregnant.

Lmao, abortion isn't self centered. You're not just "giving up a few months". Preganncy and child birth have a LOT of complications. Effects can last years. And there are effects that last a lifetime. Your body will never be the same after you've gone through pregnancy and childbirth. It's up to someone whether they want to risk their life to continue a pregnancy or not. Just like it's up to someone if they want to risk their life by driving or not.

Abortion literally is not the same thing as murdering an infant, but thanks for proving yet again that you don't believe in facts or science.

Infant literally means that it's been born. A zygote is a LOT closer to a sperm cell than it is to an infant. No heartbeat, no organs. Even an embryo doesn't have any developed organs. And a fetus doesn't have developed organs until late second trimester. And even when it is to the point of being similar to an infant, it's not 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes, I have seen that video. And that video has been debunked. The fetus has no more capability of trying to move away from the forceps than a piece of fuzz does when I'm trying to grab it out of the water.

Okay, so what if it's almost 10%? They still don't feel shit. And neither do the ones that are poked with a needle until they're over 30 weeks along. Stop trying to use emotional arguments over science and facts.

Lmao, @tobeyisprochoice i love how this person thinks that a person's body is no longer theirs just because they have a 9 month old fetus inside of them. 😂

[moon-cricket-chirps]

How many times they have used “bruh and bro” makes me giggle. Maybe it’s because when I was in school teachers always told us not to use informal language when in a debate or when writing a report

Also them saying that if you don’t want a baby just give it up for adoption as if being pregnant doesn’t change a person’s body and can cause many issues before the whole “give birth and put it up for adoption” deal can even happen and them totally ignoring how a pregnant person’s life does actually end uo revolving around the fetus that is now totally relying on them for everything and how they have to change their lifestyle, diet, even the way they sleep to make sure this fetus can live. Tell me how that’s not someone revolving their whole life around something....

[purely-political-blog]

As I have said multiple times if you bothered to look, you’re giving up nine months of your life to give a child eighty years. And abortion changes your body just as much as having the child.

I use bruh and bro because I don’t feel like giving murderers the courtesy of being polite or formal. yall anti lifers can say whatever you want however you want kay? Also, you can’t use the fact that u use informal language to challenge my credibility? glass houses anti lifers.

[moon-cricket-chirps]

Still nine months of my life I’ll never get back. Still nine months of my life that’s been completely changed over a fetus that can’t feel pain during the time it would stop existing. And there’s no guarantee that child would live very long at all. Changing my life and body, putting myself at risk, having to leave my job all for something that I’d be giving up.

And using formal language in any debate or argument is just kinda common sense? You’re wasting more time on us by writing out Bruh and Bro rather than just writing your argument. It also takes up more time and thought than just writing out your argument.... also, I never said I was challenging your credibility you thought that up yourself. I just said it was funny because of how I was taught.

[were-all-high]

So yea it’s nine months you'll never get back. But honestly not being willing to trade nine months for someone’s lifetime? Doesn’t matter if you keep them as your child or not, that’s just self centered. Most jobs have this thing called ‘maternity leave’ btw. And abortion changes your body as much or more than giving birth so the only way to avoid that is to not get pregnant in the first place

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[tobeyisprochoice]

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First things first...name calling right off the bat? Not the best move. And definitely seems like projecting.

Secondly, a lot of this is in response to @mysterious-foxes points. So, I’m only gonna respond to the part of your rant that was in response to what I said (to best avoid taking your words out of context obv):

“Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant.”

A zygote/embryo/fetus is literally not an infant.

“Zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” refer to stages of gestational development and are applicable before birth. “Infant” is applicable after birth.

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

It’s still inside her body and it’s her body that is pregnant, yes. A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant about to give birth.

[were-all-high]

The woman’s body Is still her body. That what you said right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you just said that at nine months the pregnant woman’s body is her body. Right? Because no one argues with that. The question is whether at nine months the baby inside her is a baby or not.

And I’m sorry if I sound like a jerk at times but it’s hard to stay calm when I’m trying to convince people not to kill their children.

[tobeyisprochoice]

“The question is whether at nine months the baby is miss her is a baby or not.”

No...you literally asked me:

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

And I answered:

“A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant and about to give birth.”

I thought that was pretty clear.

To answer your new question...

At 9 months, it’s a fetus. After birth, it’s an infant.

[purely-political-blog]

Bro I asked if it (the child) is still her body at nine months. Obviously I’m not asking if the woman’s body is her body. And are you then saying that if at nine months the mother decides she doesn’t want the child, it’s okay for them to kill it? Seriously?

[tobeyisprochoice]

Why’d you ask if “it (the child) is still her body at nine months” if I never said it was her body?🤔

Like that’s not obvious. That’s confusing. You need to be more clear with your words.

But to be super duper clear: I said the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body. Not part of it.

[purely-political-blog]

Wait so you’re saying the child is not part of her body? It’s a different body, and a person of its own? Hmm, interesting... almost like that’s what I’m saying...

[tobeyisprochoice]

I don’t even think you know what you’re saying.

I’ve been saying the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body.

You said “a woman has the right to control her own body...unless you’re talking about abortion.”

This implies either the zygote/embryo/fetus is completely separate from that woman’s body or that the pregnant person’s body isn’t their body while they’re pregnant.

Which was the entire point of my first response.

[purely-political-blog]

Okay, I guess I misunderstood you. The body of the woman is her body. Yes? The fetus inside her is not her body. Yes? It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own

[tobeyisprochoice]

Yeah, it sure seems like you did.

“The body of the woman is her body.”

Yes.

“The fetus inside her is not her body.”

Yes.

“It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own.”

Oof, so close! Since it is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, deciding to continue or to abort is deciding what to do with her body.

In other words...

She has the right to control her body, which the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside.

Her right to control her body shouldn’t be violated because the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside her body and needs her body to live.

And the zygote/embryo/fetus shouldn’t have a special right to survive using her body without her consent, just because it’s inside her body and needs her body to live.

[purely-political-blog]

A newborn child can’t survive on its own. Is it violating the parent’s right by needing taken care of? Because if It’s the fact that it needs them to live and is violating them by using them to live that makes them able to abort, then an infant up to 6 months at least can be killed

[tobeyisprochoice]

Anyone can take care of a newborn or infant, not just the person who gave birth. Care can be transferred to another person temporarily or permanently (by relinquishing their parental rights and responsibilities).

So, no. Because the person who gave birth doesn’t have to use their body to take care of them. They don’t even have to be the parent.

[were-all-high]

Okay then. Lets say you’re right. A fetus isn’t a person and can be killed since they are using another person’s body without consent.

Let’s say I get pregnant. I decide I don’t want to be pregnant because it’s using my body and it didn’t ask permission. I go to a clinic where it’s free and legal to get an abortion. When I get home, i don’t tell anyone I was pregnant because I know that my parents and siblings would disapprove of me getting an abortion.

I hide it and for a long time I’m fine. I get pregnant again and I keep it. I have the kid, and now I’m a mother. The kid gets older, and I start to think about the one I aborted more often. It crosses my mind in fleeting thoughts of what would have happened if I had two kids right now. I shake the feeing I can’t quite identify off. I made the right choice. I was young and poor. I couldn’t provide a life.

A few more years go by. Now I’m very often found in my room, staring at a picture of our family and imagining a kid just a little bit older than my current one standing there. I realize I messed up. I killed an innocent child because I didn’t feel like I was responsible enough.

My kid gets older and the regret never goes away. One day he’s watching the news at his house with kids of his own, and sees a headline ‘woman hangs herself, note says to be with her child’ he sighs. So sad.

He pauses as he hears his mother’s name.

Things like this happen more often than many people like to admit. And no, I’m not being overly dramatic. This doesn’t happen in every case, but suicide rates are up in women who had one or more abortions. It messes with your hormones too, and not in a good way. It often leads to depression caused by hormone changes combined with regret and that’s the prefect recipe for suicide.

So.

The child aside, this happens to a lot of mothers. The number that commit suicide is small, but the number of women diagnosed with depression and also had abortions is insanely high. Usually it’s not connected to the fact that they had an abortion, but it’s too much to be coincidence.

If you don’t let the child live for itself, so it for you. “Among more than 500,000 adult women, those who had an abortion were at an increased risk of attempting suicide for the first time over the following year compared with women who did not have an abortion (adjusted incidence rate ratio [aIRR] 2.54, 95% CI 2.29-2.81), reported Julia Steinberg, MD, of the University of Maryland in College Park, and colleagues.”

[tobeyisprochoice]

“And no, I’m not being overly dramatic.”

Yes, you are.

“Among more than 500,000 adult women...”

So, funny story. Since you didn’t provide a source, I copied and pasted your quote into google.

And, well...

That’s literally it. Three sites, all talking about how this study found abortion doesn’t increase risk of suicide.

Here are some quotes for you...

1st source (medpagetoday.com):

Among more than 500,000 adult women, those who had an abortion were at an increased risk of attempting suicide for the first time over the following year compared with women who did not have an abortion (adjusted incidence rate ratio [aIRR] 2.54, 95% CI 2.29-2.81), reported Julia Steinberg, MD, of the University of Maryland in College Park, and colleagues.

However, the increased risk was similar in the year before the abortion (aIRR 2.46, 95% CI 2.22-2.71), the team wrote in the Lancet Psychiatry.

Moreover, their risk decreased as more time passed after the abortion, such that women had a lower risk from 1 to 5 years later (aIRR 1.90, 95% CI 1.75-2.06) and 5 or more years later (aIRR 1.73, 95% CI 1.53-1.96), they added.

"Because the risk was the same before and after the abortion, relative to women who did not have an abortion, the abortion cannot be the reason for the increased risk of suicide attempts," Steinberg told MedPage Today in an email. "That is, abortion did not cause or increase women's risk of suicide attempts."

2nd source (medpagetoday.org) says basically the same thing as the first:

The current study explored the association between having an abortion and attempting suicide in order to determine whether there is in fact a causal connection between the two.

However, because the risk was the same both before and after the abortion, the authors asserted that abortion cannot be the cause of the increased risk of suicide attempts.

Instead, it may be that one or more unmeasured variables contributed to the increased risk for suicidality, such as undiagnosed or untreated mental health problems, wrote Jenneke van Ditzhuijzen, PhD, of the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands, in an accompanying editorial.

It could also be due to risk factors that occur around the time of unwanted pregnancy, like intimate partner violence, unstable relationships, or other factors not controlled for in this study, van Ditzhuijzen noted.

That is not to say that having an abortion means women are going through a difficult time, or that mental disorders are attributable to abortions, but rather that "some women are at an elevated risk of multiple adversities at a certain period in their life, which could include an unwanted pregnancy and abortion," van Ditzhuijzen suggested. Mental health problems and other difficulties might predispose women to an unwanted pregnancy, potentially through a number of other variables that have been associated with mental disorders such as divorce, sexual violence, and lower contraception use.

“To successfully prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions, we should focus on the circumstances and characteristics that predispose women to having these unwanted pregnancies, rather than focus on the potential mental health consequences of abortion," she wrote.

3rd source (Lancet Psychiatry):

“The view that having an abortion leads to suicidal thoughts, plans, or even suicide attempts has been used to inform abortion policies in some regions of the world, particularly laws requiring women seeking the procedure be informed of this view," says lead author Dr Julia R. Steinberg from the University of Maryland, College Park, USA. "The evidence from our study does not support this notion.”

So, like...that’s embarrassing.

P.S. Edited because formatting this was a pain and I’m on mobile.

[purely-political-blog]

It’s not over dramatic if it’s true. And did you know that the reason those came up is because google is extremely biased? I used rightsearch because that’s where people put the sources they know will be taken down from Google. Those sources used the wording to make it so that if someone looked it up they would get reasons that it doesn’t cause suicide. Wake up and realize that the world is trying their very best to brainwash you

[tobeyisprochoice]

Uh huh, sure.

Please provide a link to your source, then. Because I’m definitely not going to take you at your word.

[were-all-high]

abortioncausessuicide/rightsearch//prolife.or

I’ll be surprised if you find it on Google, but if you do please let me know. She already told you, Google doesn’t have the site anymore. they took it down because they didn’t like it, so if you get rightsearch you’ll find it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tobeyisprochoice]

...who is “she”?

[were-all-high]

Purely political blog

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[tobeyisprochoice]

🤣🤣🤣

First things first...name calling right off the bat? Not the best move. And definitely seems like projecting.

Secondly, a lot of this is in response to @mysterious-foxes points. So, I’m only gonna respond to the part of your rant that was in response to what I said (to best avoid taking your words out of context obv):

“Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant.”

A zygote/embryo/fetus is literally not an infant.

“Zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” refer to stages of gestational development and are applicable before birth. “Infant” is applicable after birth.

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

It’s still inside her body and it’s her body that is pregnant, yes. A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant about to give birth.

[were-all-high]

The woman’s body Is still her body. That what you said right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you just said that at nine months the pregnant woman’s body is her body. Right? Because no one argues with that. The question is whether at nine months the baby inside her is a baby or not.

And I’m sorry if I sound like a jerk at times but it’s hard to stay calm when I’m trying to convince people not to kill their children.

[tobeyisprochoice]

“The question is whether at nine months the baby is miss her is a baby or not.”

No...you literally asked me:

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

And I answered:

“A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant and about to give birth.”

I thought that was pretty clear.

To answer your new question...

At 9 months, it’s a fetus. After birth, it’s an infant.

[purely-political-blog]

Bro I asked if it (the child) is still her body at nine months. Obviously I’m not asking if the woman’s body is her body. And are you then saying that if at nine months the mother decides she doesn’t want the child, it’s okay for them to kill it? Seriously?

[tobeyisprochoice]

Why’d you ask if “it (the child) is still her body at nine months” if I never said it was her body?🤔

Like that’s not obvious. That’s confusing. You need to be more clear with your words.

But to be super duper clear: I said the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body. Not part of it.

[purely-political-blog]

Wait so you’re saying the child is not part of her body? It’s a different body, and a person of its own? Hmm, interesting... almost like that’s what I’m saying...

[tobeyisprochoice]

I don’t even think you know what you’re saying.

I’ve been saying the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body.

You said “a woman has the right to control her own body...unless you’re talking about abortion.”

This implies either the zygote/embryo/fetus is completely separate from that woman’s body or that the pregnant person’s body isn’t their body while they’re pregnant.

Which was the entire point of my first response.

[purely-political-blog]

Okay, I guess I misunderstood you. The body of the woman is her body. Yes? The fetus inside her is not her body. Yes? It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own

[tobeyisprochoice]

Yeah, it sure seems like you did.

“The body of the woman is her body.”

Yes.

“The fetus inside her is not her body.”

Yes.

“It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own.”

Oof, so close! Since it is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, deciding to continue or to abort is deciding what to do with her body.

In other words...

She has the right to control her body, which the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside.

Her right to control her body shouldn’t be violated because the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside her body and needs her body to live.

And the zygote/embryo/fetus shouldn’t have a special right to survive using her body without her consent, just because it’s inside her body and needs her body to live.

[purely-political-blog]

A newborn child can’t survive on its own. Is it violating the parent’s right by needing taken care of? Because if It’s the fact that it needs them to live and is violating them by using them to live that makes them able to abort, then an infant up to 6 months at least can be killed

[tobeyisprochoice]

Anyone can take care of a newborn or infant, not just the person who gave birth. Care can be transferred to another person temporarily or permanently (by relinquishing their parental rights and responsibilities).

So, no. Because the person who gave birth doesn’t have to use their body to take care of them. They don’t even have to be the parent.

[were-all-high]

Okay then. Lets say you’re right. A fetus isn’t a person and can be killed since they are using another person’s body without consent.

Let’s say I get pregnant. I decide I don’t want to be pregnant because it’s using my body and it didn’t ask permission. I go to a clinic where it’s free and legal to get an abortion. When I get home, i don’t tell anyone I was pregnant because I know that my parents and siblings would disapprove of me getting an abortion.

I hide it and for a long time I’m fine. I get pregnant again and I keep it. I have the kid, and now I’m a mother. The kid gets older, and I start to think about the one I aborted more often. It crosses my mind in fleeting thoughts of what would have happened if I had two kids right now. I shake the feeing I can’t quite identify off. I made the right choice. I was young and poor. I couldn’t provide a life.

A few more years go by. Now I’m very often found in my room, staring at a picture of our family and imagining a kid just a little bit older than my current one standing there. I realize I messed up. I killed an innocent child because I didn’t feel like I was responsible enough.

My kid gets older and the regret never goes away. One day he’s watching the news at his house with kids of his own, and sees a headline ‘woman hangs herself, note says to be with her child’ he sighs. So sad.

He pauses as he hears his mother’s name.

Things like this happen more often than many people like to admit. And no, I’m not being overly dramatic. This doesn’t happen in every case, but suicide rates are up in women who had one or more abortions. It messes with your hormones too, and not in a good way. It often leads to depression caused by hormone changes combined with regret and that’s the prefect recipe for suicide.

So.

The child aside, this happens to a lot of mothers. The number that commit suicide is small, but the number of women diagnosed with depression and also had abortions is insanely high. Usually it’s not connected to the fact that they had an abortion, but it’s too much to be coincidence.

If you don’t let the child live for itself, so it for you. “Among more than 500,000 adult women, those who had an abortion were at an increased risk of attempting suicide for the first time over the following year compared with women who did not have an abortion (adjusted incidence rate ratio [aIRR] 2.54, 95% CI 2.29-2.81), reported Julia Steinberg, MD, of the University of Maryland in College Park, and colleagues.”

[tobeyisprochoice]

“And no, I’m not being overly dramatic.”

Yes, you are.

“Among more than 500,000 adult women...”

So, funny story. Since you didn’t provide a source, I copied and pasted your quote into google.

And, well...

That’s literally it. Three sites, all talking about how this study found abortion doesn’t increase risk of suicide.

Here are some quotes for you...

1st source (medpagetoday.com):

Among more than 500,000 adult women, those who had an abortion were at an increased risk of attempting suicide for the first time over the following year compared with women who did not have an abortion (adjusted incidence rate ratio [aIRR] 2.54, 95% CI 2.29-2.81), reported Julia Steinberg, MD, of the University of Maryland in College Park, and colleagues.

However, the increased risk was similar in the year before the abortion (aIRR 2.46, 95% CI 2.22-2.71), the team wrote in the Lancet Psychiatry.

Moreover, their risk decreased as more time passed after the abortion, such that women had a lower risk from 1 to 5 years later (aIRR 1.90, 95% CI 1.75-2.06) and 5 or more years later (aIRR 1.73, 95% CI 1.53-1.96), they added.

"Because the risk was the same before and after the abortion, relative to women who did not have an abortion, the abortion cannot be the reason for the increased risk of suicide attempts," Steinberg told MedPage Today in an email. "That is, abortion did not cause or increase women's risk of suicide attempts."

2nd source (medpagetoday.org) says basically the same thing as the first:

The current study explored the association between having an abortion and attempting suicide in order to determine whether there is in fact a causal connection between the two.

However, because the risk was the same both before and after the abortion, the authors asserted that abortion cannot be the cause of the increased risk of suicide attempts.

Instead, it may be that one or more unmeasured variables contributed to the increased risk for suicidality, such as undiagnosed or untreated mental health problems, wrote Jenneke van Ditzhuijzen, PhD, of the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands, in an accompanying editorial.

It could also be due to risk factors that occur around the time of unwanted pregnancy, like intimate partner violence, unstable relationships, or other factors not controlled for in this study, van Ditzhuijzen noted.

That is not to say that having an abortion means women are going through a difficult time, or that mental disorders are attributable to abortions, but rather that "some women are at an elevated risk of multiple adversities at a certain period in their life, which could include an unwanted pregnancy and abortion," van Ditzhuijzen suggested. Mental health problems and other difficulties might predispose women to an unwanted pregnancy, potentially through a number of other variables that have been associated with mental disorders such as divorce, sexual violence, and lower contraception use.

“To successfully prevent unwanted pregnancies and abortions, we should focus on the circumstances and characteristics that predispose women to having these unwanted pregnancies, rather than focus on the potential mental health consequences of abortion," she wrote.

3rd source (Lancet Psychiatry):

“The view that having an abortion leads to suicidal thoughts, plans, or even suicide attempts has been used to inform abortion policies in some regions of the world, particularly laws requiring women seeking the procedure be informed of this view," says lead author Dr Julia R. Steinberg from the University of Maryland, College Park, USA. "The evidence from our study does not support this notion.”

So, like...that’s embarrassing.

P.S. Edited because formatting this was a pain and I’m on mobile.

[purely-political-blog]

It’s not over dramatic if it’s true. And did you know that the reason those came up is because google is extremely biased? I used rightsearch because that’s where people put the sources they know will be taken down from Google. Those sources used the wording to make it so that if someone looked it up they would get reasons that it doesn’t cause suicide. Wake up and realize that the world is trying their very best to brainwash you

[tobeyisprochoice]

Uh huh, sure.

Please provide a link to your source, then. Because I’m definitely not going to take you at your word.

[were-all-high]

abortioncausessuicide/rightsearch//prolife.or

I’ll be surprised if you find it on Google, but if you do please let me know. She already told you, Google doesn’t have the site anymore. they took it down because they didn’t like it, so if you get rightsearch you’ll find it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[thefeychild]

Pro-lifers, take notes. This is how you "fight" abortion. This is how you help. Yeah, some people aren't going tk change their minds, but you can have a healthy conversation with them instead of insulting and screaming and harassing

[were-all-high]

anti abortion in america is about saving children. But yeah. Abortions can be legal sometimes, it’s just that in America women get abortions just because theyre legal, they’re told they can, and they’re told that there are no consequences. Also, it goes both ways about the hate. it’s good to find a blog that isn’t screaming pure hate at pro lifers.

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[tobeyisprochoice]

🤣🤣🤣

First things first...name calling right off the bat? Not the best move. And definitely seems like projecting.

Secondly, a lot of this is in response to @mysterious-foxes points. So, I’m only gonna respond to the part of your rant that was in response to what I said (to best avoid taking your words out of context obv):

“Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant.”

A zygote/embryo/fetus is literally not an infant.

“Zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” refer to stages of gestational development and are applicable before birth. “Infant” is applicable after birth.

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

It’s still inside her body and it’s her body that is pregnant, yes. A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant about to give birth.

[were-all-high]

The woman’s body Is still her body. That what you said right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you just said that at nine months the pregnant woman’s body is her body. Right? Because no one argues with that. The question is whether at nine months the baby inside her is a baby or not.

And I’m sorry if I sound like a jerk at times but it’s hard to stay calm when I’m trying to convince people not to kill their children.

[tobeyisprochoice]

“The question is whether at nine months the baby is miss her is a baby or not.”

No...you literally asked me:

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

And I answered:

“A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant and about to give birth.”

I thought that was pretty clear.

To answer your new question...

At 9 months, it’s a fetus. After birth, it’s an infant.

[purely-political-blog]

Bro I asked if it (the child) is still her body at nine months. Obviously I’m not asking if the woman’s body is her body. And are you then saying that if at nine months the mother decides she doesn’t want the child, it’s okay for them to kill it? Seriously?

[tobeyisprochoice]

Why’d you ask if “it (the child) is still her body at nine months” if I never said it was her body?🤔

Like that’s not obvious. That’s confusing. You need to be more clear with your words.

But to be super duper clear: I said the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body. Not part of it.

[purely-political-blog]

Wait so you’re saying the child is not part of her body? It’s a different body, and a person of its own? Hmm, interesting... almost like that’s what I’m saying...

[tobeyisprochoice]

I don’t even think you know what you’re saying.

I’ve been saying the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside the pregnant person’s body.

You said “a woman has the right to control her own body...unless you’re talking about abortion.”

This implies either the zygote/embryo/fetus is completely separate from that woman’s body or that the pregnant person’s body isn’t their body while they’re pregnant.

Which was the entire point of my first response.

[purely-political-blog]

Okay, I guess I misunderstood you. The body of the woman is her body. Yes? The fetus inside her is not her body. Yes? It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own

[tobeyisprochoice]

Yeah, it sure seems like you did.

“The body of the woman is her body.”

Yes.

“The fetus inside her is not her body.”

Yes.

“It is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, but it is not her body, so choosing to abort it is deciding what to do with another person’s body, not her own.”

Oof, so close! Since it is inside her body, and it needs her body to live, deciding to continue or to abort is deciding what to do with her body.

In other words...

She has the right to control her body, which the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside.

Her right to control her body shouldn’t be violated because the zygote/embryo/fetus is inside her body and needs her body to live.

And the zygote/embryo/fetus shouldn’t have a special right to survive using her body without her consent, just because it’s inside her body and needs her body to live.

[purely-political-blog]

A newborn child can’t survive on its own. Is it violating the parent’s right by needing taken care of? Because if It’s the fact that it needs them to live and is violating them by using them to live that makes them able to abort, then an infant up to 6 months at least can be killed

[tobeyisprochoice]

Anyone can take care of a newborn or infant, not just the person who gave birth. Care can be transferred to another person temporarily or permanently (by relinquishing their parental rights and responsibilities).

So, no. Because the person who gave birth doesn’t have to use their body to take care of them. They don’t even have to be the parent.

[were-all-high]

Okay then. Lets say you’re right. A fetus isn’t a person and can be killed since they are using another person’s body without consent.

Let’s say I get pregnant. I decide I don’t want to be pregnant because it’s using my body and it didn’t ask permission. I go to a clinic where it’s free and legal to get an abortion. When I get home, i don’t tell anyone I was pregnant because I know that my parents and siblings would disapprove of me getting an abortion.

I hide it and for a long time I’m fine. I get pregnant again and I keep it. I have the kid, and now I’m a mother. The kid gets older, and I start to think about the one I aborted more often. It crosses my mind in fleeting thoughts of what would have happened if I had two kids right now. I shake the feeing I can’t quite identify off. I made the right choice. I was young and poor. I couldn’t provide a life.

A few more years go by. Now I’m very often found in my room, staring at a picture of our family and imagining a kid just a little bit older than my current one standing there. I realize I messed up. I killed an innocent child because I didn’t feel like I was responsible enough.

My kid gets older and the regret never goes away. One day he’s watching the news at his house with kids of his own, and sees a headline ‘woman hangs herself, note says to be with her child’ he sighs. So sad.

He pauses as he hears his mother’s name.

Things like this happen more often than many people like to admit. And no, I’m not being overly dramatic. This doesn’t happen in every case, but suicide rates are up in women who had one or more abortions. It messes with your hormones too, and not in a good way. It often leads to depression caused by hormone changes combined with regret and that’s the prefect recipe for suicide.

So.

The child aside, this happens to a lot of mothers. The number that commit suicide is small, but the number of women diagnosed with depression and also had abortions is insanely high. Usually it’s not connected to the fact that they had an abortion, but it’s too much to be coincidence.

If you don’t let the child live for itself, so it for you. “Among more than 500,000 adult women, those who had an abortion were at an increased risk of attempting suicide for the first time over the following year compared with women who did not have an abortion (adjusted incidence rate ratio [aIRR] 2.54, 95% CI 2.29-2.81), reported Julia Steinberg, MD, of the University of Maryland in College Park, and colleagues.”

[were-all-high]

If you think those pigs shouldn’t have gotten shot you’ve got a fucking hole in your head, brainlet, fuck those feds and fuck you

I’m sorry what? I don’t know what post this is responding to. You’ll be glad to know you’re only one of ten hate messages I’ve gotten today so I don’t really care what you have to say

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[tobeyisprochoice]

🤣🤣🤣

First things first...name calling right off the bat? Not the best move. And definitely seems like projecting.

Secondly, a lot of this is in response to @mysterious-foxes points. So, I’m only gonna respond to the part of your rant that was in response to what I said (to best avoid taking your words out of context obv):

“Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant.”

A zygote/embryo/fetus is literally not an infant.

“Zygote,” “embryo,” and “fetus” refer to stages of gestational development and are applicable before birth. “Infant” is applicable after birth.

“If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then?”

It’s still inside her body and it’s her body that is pregnant, yes. A person’s body is still their body, even if they’re nine months pregnant about to give birth.

[were-all-high]

The woman’s body Is still her body. That what you said right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but you just said that at nine months the pregnant woman’s body is her body. Right? Because no one argues with that. The question is whether at nine months the baby inside her is a baby or not.

And I’m sorry if I sound like a jerk at times but it’s hard to stay calm when I’m trying to convince people not to kill their children.

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao, guess brain dead people aren't actually dead if they have some brain waves left over because that means there's brain activity 🤦🏻‍♀️

It's not until 7 weeks that the fetus has any heart chambers. Did you know that the heart runs off of electricity? So yes, there's electrical pulses that mimic a heart beat by 5 weeks, but no physical heart.

You based the reason abortion is bad is because there is separate DNA. I don't see how hard it is to understand the comparison to cancerous tumors that have separate DNA from the person they're in.

No, personhood is not the debate. The debate is whether you believe it's okay to take away someone's bodily autonomy and torture them by forcing them to continue pregnancy or not. Abortion literally isn't about the fetus. How hard is that to understand?

You're right that sperm doesn't have the full set of DNA, but they have human DNA and again, that's what you were basing your argument off of.

Lmao, not wanting to raise a child and so getting an abortion isn't a comfort thing. You should really try talking to people who get abortions because you obviously don't understand the reasoning at all.

You are putting the fetus above the pregnant person. It's not just about the wants. It's about the person's life. Not just their life being at risk, but their life doesn't have to revolve around a fetus.

If you think that we say it's okay to murder an infant, you aren't listening to what we're saying. If you think that abortion is murdering an infant, then you're even more against science and facts than I thought.

Having nerves does not mean they can feel pain. There's a lot more to being able to feel pain than having nerves. Like having brain activity. And having the parietal lobe (develops around week 24). And the spinal cord. And consciousness. Did you know that the fetus can't differentiate between pain and pleasure until at least 30 weeks?

Did you also know that most abortions aren't performed by "ripping the fetus apart"? That's less than 8% of abortions. Plus, that procedure is done the way it is because of anti choicera like you 🙃

[tobeyisprochoice]

I feel like OP also doesn’t understand (in addition to aaaaaaallllll these points) that the zygote/embryo/fetus is literally inside the pregnant person’s body.

The whole “it’s not your body” thing either implies that or that a person’s body isn’t actually theirs if they’re pregnant (which is just big Y I K E S).

P.S. did anyone else think “and then they all clapped” after reading the OP? just me?

[were-all-high]

I’m literally talking to idiots. No, no, just keep taking my words out of context that’s totally fine. If they’re brain dead they’re technically not dead YET. They will be very soon. That, however, is not the case of a fetus. It will stay alive, and therefore deserves to live. Do I need to speak like you’re five because honestly that’s what it seems like rn.

Yea, a lot of abortions happen after seven weeks bro. Look it up. And the ones that happen before that, it’s still a heartbeat. Get over it. I based it on it has separate human DNA. Sperm has the same DNA as the person, its just that half is missing. Seriously bro I’m not an idiot you don’t need to act like a genie in a bottle and be like “nah here I found a loophole be more specific with your wording”

I have talked to them. A lot of them have lost the ability to have children, have severe ptsd, wish they had never done it, get freaked out around a vaccine because that’s what the machine sounded like etc. And, if you don’t want to raise a child, fine. Have the frickin baby, put it up for adoption. Problem f ing solved.

Their life doesn’t revolve around the fetus. Why would their life revolve around the fetus? If they kept the baby their life would revolve around it, but that’s what adoption is for. You’re giving up a few months of your life, to give that fetus eighty years. Getting an abortion is flat out self centered okay? Have a little care about the child.

You say abortion is okay, which is the same thing as saying murdering an infant is okay. Got it?

Wow. Just wow. Look at the science and it’s an infant. Brainwaves, separate FULL SET of HUMAN dna, nerves, heartbeat, shall I go on?

Okay then. Have you watched the video of the fetus twisting and trying to get away from the machine? But no, it can’t feel a thing, it thinks it’s just getting a nice pat on the back.

Eight percent? That’s nearly 1/10. So 1/10 of babies that are aborted are ripped apart. And the others still feel the needle, because when they’re that small, a poke with a needle is far from being stabbed.

Yeah I’m not an idiot of course it’s inside the person’s body. The pregnant person’s body is theirs, but the body inside of them belongs to the infant. If a woman was nine months pregnant, about to have the baby, it’s still inside her. Is it her body then? The only difference is that it’s smaller. That’s literally it. It’s a smaller version of an infant.

[were-all-high]

We get it you failed high school biology courses damn

Bruh I got straight As through high school y’all idiots failed because you can’t accept the facts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry but that’s the truth and if you don’t like it then sucks to suck 

[fatiblogsworld]

My only love.

[were-all-high]

Aye. I have one love. he lives with me, we sleep next to each other every night, he cuddles me all the time, he has adorable eyes, four legs, a long tail, is covered in black fur, and only responds to “kitty kitty!”

[purely-political-blog]

Real convo I had at school

(give or take I don’t remember it exactly, except the last two lines she said because they sounded so dumb to me)

Random girl: a woman has the right to control her own body

me: yea she does you tell em girl

her: I’m glad you agree with me

me: me too. unless you’re referring to abortion.

her: wha-

me: because then I would know you hated science and didn’t believe anything they say

her: I agree with science I’m not an idiot

me: then you should know that a fetus has its own DNA, and usually by the time it is aborted it has brain activity and a heartbeat, which makes it a different body than yours

her: but it’s not a person

me: ask any woman who has had a miscarriage and she will say a fetus is a person. Also it is very clearly human DNA so I’m not sure where you’re getting your information

her: (no lie this is legit what she said) well then you’re putting the baby before the mother

me: ... do you want to take that back. Really. Because you just told me that the mother’s right to comfort outweighs the baby’s right to life

her: (also no joke) just leave me alone okay if she doesn’t want that responsibility let her abort it

me: I can’t argue with a rock ig so have fun with your misguided opinions leading you to become one of the horrible serial killers you've heard about

[mysterious-foxes]

Lmao!! I'll bulletpoint the corrections for you so it's easy to read.

There is no brain activity by the time that 99% of abortions happen. There are brain waves, but brain waves don't mean brain activity

The "heartbeat" is actually just electrical pulses that are regulated by the pregnant person's body that mimic a heartbeat. That early in pregnancy, there's not a heart formed to beat.

Cancerous tumors can also have completely separate DNA from the person it's in. Should we not give those people medical treatment?

Personhood is a philosophical debate, no room for it in the abortion debate.

Sperm also have human DNA, are they people?

You do realize that people don't get abortions out of comfort, right? Abortion isn't a comfortable process.

You are putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person. You're giving fetuses a right that no living, breathing human being in the world has whole simultaneously taking away rights from people who are pregnant. How is that not putting the fetus ahead of the pregnant person?

And with your very last comment, it sounds like you're projecting. But you do you boo boo

[were-all-high]

Bruh. Honestly.

Brainwaves = brain activity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Its a heartbeat. Where are you getting your information because that source straight up lied, there’s a heart.

It has different dna saying it’s not your body. It’s human dna, not a diseased dna, those things aren’t even comparable idk why you think that matters.

Personhood is literally the entire abortion debate. Like, science and whether or not it’s a person are really the two biggest things up for debate. And science doesn’t lie my friend

Sperm doesn’t have a complete human dna. It only has half of the dna, so no it’s not a person. We learned that in 7th grade science bro

Often they do it because they don’t want to care for the child. That’s comfort. So is wanting to avoid the last 3-8 months of a pregnancy. So it’s a little bit of discomfort to avoid a lot later on.

Im putting the life of a human being before another human being’s wants. If the mother will literally die if she doesn’t get an abortion, that is the only time it should be allowed. Then two people would be dying instead of one, so I’m putting life above wants. I get that they’re serious wants, and can seem like needs, but if you have a two-ten year old child you can’t care for because you can’t afford it, you wouldn’t kill them would you? You wouldn’t kill them for any reason.

I stated honestly how I feel about y’all. You’re trying to get me to think it’s okay to murder an infant. Also, did you know it’s been scientifically proven that most fetuses have nerves by the time they are aborted? And that they feel pain in the process of the abortion? Yeah, you take a born infant, rip it apart (literally), and you’re doing the same thing as an abortion. Go ahead. You already think it’s okay.

[were-all-high]

Part of me sees a cute guy and thinks “I bet he’s a stuck up jerk” another side thinks “I want to go out with him” another hidden part back in the unknown recesses of my brain thinks “I could kill him right now and keep his gorgeous head forever” and then I walk away and scold myself for thinking like that but then a part of my mind whispers “what if that’s who you are.”

I go about my daily life trying to pretend I don’t know which the most prominent thought was.

I don’t tell anyone because what if they hate me. I go online and try to get away from the thoughts. I see a post saying “I just thought ‘I should plunge this knife into my friend’s back’ and I laughed and told her about it and she said ‘yea I hate those thoughts.’”

I pause.

It’s normal?

I start to laugh. Soon it’s uncontrollable. For the longest time I hated myself for something I find out is a part of everyone’s daily life. The next day my friend asks me why I’m so happy. I smile and tell her

“because I found out im not a monster.

Sometimes the things we hate the most about ourselves, the things we wish would go away, they’re the things that we all have in common. The things that make us human.

[were-all-high]

I can break your soul in one picture

[were-all-high]

@rayanicaraynbow i just want to first of all say thanks for following me. I also want to ask why you did. Because I was scrolling through your posts and you reblogged one saying Starbucks funded the police in Atlanta so here’s their recipes. So I’m guessing you’re very liberal Democrat anti police/hate the people who risk their lives for you in a daily basis kind of person. Have you actually looked at some of my posts? Because I make it very clear that I’m republican and I thought y’all hated us. Not saying I hate you, and if you have seen them and followed me anyway I’m so sorry about this, I’m just confused because you’re the only non conservative/republican following me (I think) and it just seems weird that you would want to follow me. Not tryna be rude here promise

[were-all-high]

Yooooo I done messed up