Peeling back Fingolfin, do you find Nolofinwë underneath?

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Peeling back Fingolfin, do you find Nolofinwë underneath?
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Wonder what impact Turgon's widowhood had on his opinions on his daughter's marriage. Maybe it's like Turgon agreed to Idril marrying Tuor, thinking: When she becomes widowed inevitably, I'll be there for her. I'll grieve with her. No worries." Also, idril's mentally prepared for losing her spouse as her father did.
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Laughed out loud reading this. And yet how to explain this joke....also made me think about the diversity of experiences at any given age and space - nothing is ever a monolith! The flattening effect of history always obscures considerable divergences of opinion within individuals, communities, groups etc. and reading debates of the time/satire is so illuminating....
Gondolin and the Sindarin-Quenya creole
Itâs important to note that a good portion of Turgonâs following from Nevrast were Sindar, and the rest were of Noldor origin.
Nevrast was unique amoung the other regions of Beriland for having a mixed population, moreover a mixed population that didnât quarrel amoung themselves. The Sindar were the original inhabitants of Nevrast but there seemed to be no strife between them and the Noldor when Turgon built his city there. (That we know of)
By the time the city was abandoned in F.A 116, Turgon had ruled there for approximately 145 solar years, which is not much in the life span of an elf but culturally itâs a very long time.
We can assume that the Sindar and the Noldor would have intermarried and bore children; possibly the likes of Egalmoth, who was counted amoung the Noldor but whose name has Sindarin origins. A merger of the two cultures and most likely languages was beggining to occur which each generation.
Yes, there were some who considered Quenya to be âpureâ and would refuse to adopt any natural changes their language, as it would be for some native Sindarin speakers - but I think for ease of communication a pidgin (i.e. a simplified language or simplified mixture of languages used by non-native speakers) would be used amoung most of the populace.
Of course, the founding of Gondolin would speed up the process.
Those born in Gondolin would have their own identity. Since the walled city had very little contact with the outside world, the internal world would grow from its Sindarin and Noldor roots into something new.
A fully fledged creole takes time to become firmly established, both in spoken and written word (500 years or so), but the Sindar/Noldor elves were intermingling for at least 400 years before Maeglin arrived. It is possible the creole did not translate over to print, of course.
Turgon himself would use Quenya for the meetings of his lords and most formal events- but he would have had to learn at least some Sindarin; afterall half of his people speak it.
I donât know whether he would adopt the Sindarin-Quenya creole in itself, but I imagine being fluent in the root languages would help.
Of course, Maeglin only speaks Sindarin and some broken Quenya so it would be more difficult for him to acclimatise in Gondolin. Also speaking âpureâ Sindarin might be viewed as old fashioned, and Quenya was reserved for the King and his nobles.
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iâm getting more and more put off by this inescapable mode of fandom analysis centered around judgement. it has its uses - i think a lot of people use it to build their politics and ethics in a communal space. i identify x political message in the text, either explicit or implicit, i condemn it, i build my own sense of my values by doing so. but i just feel like well, iâve already done this. iâm an adult and actually really confident about many of my moral viewpoints. so i am anti-monarchy, anti-hierarchy, anti-war, as deeply held personal principles. i donât need to categorize and condemn the faulty and suspect values of the characters in order to affirm my own via contrast. but this is much of what is going on. the characters believe in the divine right of kings, which is risible and deluded. they believe in their special bloodlines that give them a birthright to their various privileges, which is of course very mockable. they believe in the exercise of force to achieve political aims, and also have corresponding socioreligious beliefs that valorize warfare, which is Bad. the task of fandom analysis is mostly to notate all this with fine precision, or at least to make jokes about how absurd everyone is. the viewer is politically and ethically superior to the characters, and sits in the place of judgement weighing their sins. we come from a self-evidently better civilization than this pseudo-medieval one, and also, in the many ways it can be connected to our contemporary world (source text written by a 21st century US american, adapted for television by same, inflected inescapably with the POV of the present) we are better than any possible analogues. again, i donât think this is a wrong way to engage, it is just one i find really annoying and unrewarding and at odds with anything i am interested in doing at this juncture. it is very unfashionable to say that one comes to fiction for the transformative exercise of empathy - i think in resistance to the idea that said exercise has some inherent positive political effect, which i also agree is very critiquable. but it does have a more complex moral and political meaning for me to do this, to suspend judgement, to try to put that aside and ask questions about what it is to live another life from inside, what beliefs - no matter how objectionable - someone might hold to be able to do so, to get into the skin so deeply i merely have to let myself feel their force.
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i think the most important thing about Ryunosuke Naruhodo is that he is an outsider. he never had a stake in the plot until Kazuma died. He was never intended to be rhetorical âMain Characterâ or the âProtagonistâ.
He was never intended to be connected to the plot until he was put in that position. He didnât know about Kazumaâs connection, Susatoâs connection, anyoneâs connection for that matter.
heâs such a unique and interesting character to examine. heâs been through the unique horror of staying in the same room his best friend âdiedâ in for forty days. he had the resolve to stay in the plot, holding the place as the main character until he fully assumed that position by 1-5.
I love Ryunosuke Naruhodo. Maybe someday Iâll do a proper analysis on him.
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Currently working on: My increasingly sprawling darkfic verse centred on Fingolfin. I'm juggling two WIPs: Fingolfin's coming-of-age centred around the parallel relationships of Fingolfin-Finwe and Anaire-Earwen, and Finwe's reembodiment sparking a Fingolfin-Feanor relationship. I'd honestly love to talk about this more but I'm afraid I don't quite have the courage to do so publicly.
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Anyway I think ElenwĂ« convinced Turgon to cross the Ice. This solves two problems for me: (a) why Turgon was opposed to FĂ«anor in the big Oath-swearing, Finweans-have-an-argument episode but chooses to go anyway, and (b) why he builds Tirion 2.0 in Middle-earth. He never wanted to be there. He went for ElenwĂ«âs sake, and now sheâs dead, and he wants to go home. (Also it gives ElenwĂ« some fun agency.)
Then they are re-embodied and are furious with each other. They donât want to be, but they are.