XiuXiu ChenChen ❤

18+. MDNI. NCTzen/Czennie/Dreamzen/Sunflower/Markf

[trashtank]

Inscryption has remained one of my favourite games for years now but it's a hard one to make fanart for! I'm really glad that I finally got around to drawing something for it!

[axelsthoughts]

Idk why but his 😳 looks so fake to me and his😏 tells me he knew Haechan would choose him.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

His reaction reminds me of Kyungsoo from EXO.

[the-big-mood]

These two giant turtles have been fighting each other for more than 120 years.

According to the zoo, one turtle stole the other’s food 120 years ago, and since that day they became enemies.

There hasn’t been a single day where they don’t fight for 2–3 minutes😂

[unsolids-your-snake]

My favorite thing about fanfic authors is they can identify any gap in a canon timeline where characters are offscreen and exploit the ever living fuck out of it

They see a time skip of any length and go

[icy-spicy]

[unsolids-your-snake]

I love this energy

[basil-mage]

Endless cycle

[joy-and-whimsy-official]

Official joy and whimsy post

[themuppetmasterencyclopedia]

Have a great week

[conscbgb]

We (in Europe) will wait...as always 🤞🏻

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Oh, so a short tour like the last tour. Wait, they did tour in the US for the last tour. So...this is even shorter. Quite a flex, SM, doing not even the bare minimum...uh, I hope those contracts were worth it, guys!!

[conscbgb]

We (in Europe) will wait...as always 🤞🏻

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Oh, so a short tour like the last tour. Wait, they did tour in the US for the last tour. So...this is even shorter. Quite a flex, SM, doing not even the bare minimum...uh, I hope those contracts were worth it, guys!!

[fucca02]

[nctlegacy]

3 2 1 ... #WayV

[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.

[sweet61]

Oh my god what did they do in pinyata. Is it that "choose those who stayed" nonsense?

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, that thing. And I was side-eyeing it for the exact same reason because of the wording sounding like a passive-aggressive vague response to Mark. Also just saw your tag about Mark being a hoe, lol. Oh, Yuta Nakamoto. Oh, Jungwoo. But what was the fanservice ramp up?

[sweet61]

Just the usual Haechan leaning on and touching Mark as much as possible.

SM really forcing 127 to shade their youngest member (besides hyuck) for choosing to stop overworking himself to death. 😐

Look I get why 127 fandom may be less forgiving to Mark. He left them with ZERO warning. At least dreamzens got a last concert. But I think 127 should be more professional about this. If RJ can speak up why can't they? Dream still hangs out with him so why doesn't 127? Taeyong even left a nice comment on his upper room post. So what happened between then and now (other than SM forcing its stupid punish Mark for leaving vendetta on its idols) 😔

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, SM, but they're also in their 10th year, I'd like to think they have some agency with all of their talk about how they got a better contract. Show me the proof, Johnny and Taeyong. They can't show the proof which is why they can mouth off like that. It also felt like a dig at Mark, now that I think about it. Like, "WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED WITH SM, YOU COULD HAVE WAITED A BIT MORE BEFORE THROWING A FIT AND LEAVING LOL" without saying that, no mention of 'waiting a bit' or 'throwing a fit', these were my lovely imaginative scenarios. I doubt anyone is reading into it as much as I am right now. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. The same shit happened with EXO when Tao left EXO. SM DOES have a track record, but NCT 127 (well, Johnny and Taeyong from their live after KCON) is reaaaally leaning hard into it, even if you remove the 'CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED'. OR is this Johnny and Taeyong distancing themselves from Mark because of the other shit that happened that has only been remembered (& made-up in the other cases) by antis on Twatter? Either way, it's goofy and petty and I hate it.

[sweet61]

Same! Some stan twt bullshit does not erase the 10+ years he was working himself to death since childhood for 127. It's so disappointing. 127 owed him a bit of professionalism if not love anymore. And they didn't give him even that. Horrible.

Being mad at him for not renewing when THEY'RE not working in two units at once just LOOKS BAD sorry lmao.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, it does look bad for them. So it's really...weird to see that happen in real time. EXO weren't doing live streams when they were insulting Tao leaving, they were talking to reporters or something like that, which was even more orchestrated than what Johnny and Taeyong did on Weverse/whatever. So...it really feels like those two in particular are steering the ship of that bullshit. I don't know if Yuta did, or Jaehyun or Haechan. Beyond Haechan re-signing the contract and I keep focusing on that vs. the other 127 members only because Haechan and Mark were the two who were in two units, so him, in particular signing the contract again is what feels most like double betrayal. Betrayal is still betrayal, Johnny and Taeyong just are making shit worse for the others involved in that blood oath contract signing. I forgot about the time Taeyong was being harassed by antis and Mark defended him. Thank you for reminding me. Mad City. Yeah, NCT 127 City Mad at Mark for no goddamn reason. Johnny, you and Taeyong are 32/33, I thought you would be more mature about this, you're somehow worse than the 'maknae' at 26 right now.

[sweet61]

ALL OF THIS!!! SM sending 127 to Bali and Dream to Jeju was such a fuck you to Mark too (his longed for vacation spots he couldn't go because he couldn't take a fucking vacation because he was being OVERWORKED).

Also Im not buying how they're babying and spoiling Haechan right now. Yeah yall used to baby and spoil Mark too and look how quickly y'all turned on him. It feels like a pointed "Haechan is deserving because Haechan STAYED" Not just disregarding their history with Mark but also manipulating Haechan. You're only worthy as long as you overwork. Double whammy. 127 will have to do a lot to get back in my good books.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

They really did baby Mark before. I'd like to think Doyoung still would. Jungwoo too. I didn't think about it much until now (common line today from me). I can see it, the 127 Vibes content with Haechan and 127 members, yeah, spoiling and babying a lot. Someone even made a comparison that this was like parents spoiling their child. Yeah, it's not good. Also, we know why Mark wanted to go to Jeju...Haechan wasn't born there, but he lived there for a bit.

[sweet61]

Yeah. He specifically answered Jeju when a fan asked where he would like to go with Haechan.

This is just tragic. That time they had to put a picture up and a make shift hammock and pretend they were vacationing. 👀

See may be Mark is horrible and he made a huge mistake or whatever. So? Let him expose himself. What 127 is doing just makes them look worse to outsiders (not dumbass stan twits).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Now you just made me remember TASTE CAMP. AAH. That fake beach reminded me of TASTE CAMP with Haechan and Mark. It was for Haechan's solo but he had Mark. And they went to a beach. And had fun. And ate. And the topic of kids came up and I think Haechan said he would actually want a kid like Mark...or I'm remembering wrong. Probably because the kid would get shit done and be on time, etc. And they were not with any other members, which was shocking. I forgot whose idea it was. That gif is cute. I agree. The 127 shit does look bad to other people. What happened to the Walk Crew (minus Taeil)? And now I can rant more about how odd it is for Haechan to have blue as his color vs. red/pink (uh, TASTE and TASTE bear mascot color, hey, SM?) since blue was Mark's color. Can I even call myself a fan of either Haechan or Mark if I keep missing moments between them?

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[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.

[sweet61]

Oh my god what did they do in pinyata. Is it that "choose those who stayed" nonsense?

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, that thing. And I was side-eyeing it for the exact same reason because of the wording sounding like a passive-aggressive vague response to Mark. Also just saw your tag about Mark being a hoe, lol. Oh, Yuta Nakamoto. Oh, Jungwoo. But what was the fanservice ramp up?

[sweet61]

Just the usual Haechan leaning on and touching Mark as much as possible.

SM really forcing 127 to shade their youngest member (besides hyuck) for choosing to stop overworking himself to death. 😐

Look I get why 127 fandom may be less forgiving to Mark. He left them with ZERO warning. At least dreamzens got a last concert. But I think 127 should be more professional about this. If RJ can speak up why can't they? Dream still hangs out with him so why doesn't 127? Taeyong even left a nice comment on his upper room post. So what happened between then and now (other than SM forcing its stupid punish Mark for leaving vendetta on its idols) 😔

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, SM, but they're also in their 10th year, I'd like to think they have some agency with all of their talk about how they got a better contract. Show me the proof, Johnny and Taeyong. They can't show the proof which is why they can mouth off like that. It also felt like a dig at Mark, now that I think about it. Like, "WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED WITH SM, YOU COULD HAVE WAITED A BIT MORE BEFORE THROWING A FIT AND LEAVING LOL" without saying that, no mention of 'waiting a bit' or 'throwing a fit', these were my lovely imaginative scenarios. I doubt anyone is reading into it as much as I am right now. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. The same shit happened with EXO when Tao left EXO. SM DOES have a track record, but NCT 127 (well, Johnny and Taeyong from their live after KCON) is reaaaally leaning hard into it, even if you remove the 'CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED'. OR is this Johnny and Taeyong distancing themselves from Mark because of the other shit that happened that has only been remembered (& made-up in the other cases) by antis on Twatter? Either way, it's goofy and petty and I hate it.

[sweet61]

Same! Some stan twt bullshit does not erase the 10+ years he was working himself to death since childhood for 127. It's so disappointing. 127 owed him a bit of professionalism if not love anymore. And they didn't give him even that. Horrible.

Being mad at him for not renewing when THEY'RE not working in two units at once just LOOKS BAD sorry lmao.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, it does look bad for them. So it's really...weird to see that happen in real time. EXO weren't doing live streams when they were insulting Tao leaving, they were talking to reporters or something like that, which was even more orchestrated than what Johnny and Taeyong did on Weverse/whatever. So...it really feels like those two in particular are steering the ship of that bullshit. I don't know if Yuta did, or Jaehyun or Haechan. Beyond Haechan re-signing the contract and I keep focusing on that vs. the other 127 members only because Haechan and Mark were the two who were in two units, so him, in particular signing the contract again is what feels most like double betrayal. Betrayal is still betrayal, Johnny and Taeyong just are making shit worse for the others involved in that blood oath contract signing. I forgot about the time Taeyong was being harassed by antis and Mark defended him. Thank you for reminding me. Mad City. Yeah, NCT 127 City Mad at Mark for no goddamn reason. Johnny, you and Taeyong are 32/33, I thought you would be more mature about this, you're somehow worse than the 'maknae' at 26 right now.

[sweet61]

ALL OF THIS!!! SM sending 127 to Bali and Dream to Jeju was such a fuck you to Mark too (his longed for vacation spots he couldn't go because he couldn't take a fucking vacation because he was being OVERWORKED).

Also Im not buying how they're babying and spoiling Haechan right now. Yeah yall used to baby and spoil Mark too and look how quickly y'all turned on him. It feels like a pointed "Haechan is deserving because Haechan STAYED" Not just disregarding their history with Mark but also manipulating Haechan. You're only worthy as long as you overwork. Double whammy. 127 will have to do a lot to get back in my good books.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

They really did baby Mark before. I'd like to think Doyoung still would. Jungwoo too. I didn't think about it much until now (common line today from me). I can see it, the 127 Vibes content with Haechan and 127 members, yeah, spoiling and babying a lot. Someone even made a comparison that this was like parents spoiling their child. Yeah, it's not good. Also, we know why Mark wanted to go to Jeju...Haechan wasn't born there, but he lived there for a bit.

[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.

[sweet61]

Oh my god what did they do in pinyata. Is it that "choose those who stayed" nonsense?

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, that thing. And I was side-eyeing it for the exact same reason because of the wording sounding like a passive-aggressive vague response to Mark. Also just saw your tag about Mark being a hoe, lol. Oh, Yuta Nakamoto. Oh, Jungwoo. But what was the fanservice ramp up?

[sweet61]

Just the usual Haechan leaning on and touching Mark as much as possible.

SM really forcing 127 to shade their youngest member (besides hyuck) for choosing to stop overworking himself to death. 😐

Look I get why 127 fandom may be less forgiving to Mark. He left them with ZERO warning. At least dreamzens got a last concert. But I think 127 should be more professional about this. If RJ can speak up why can't they? Dream still hangs out with him so why doesn't 127? Taeyong even left a nice comment on his upper room post. So what happened between then and now (other than SM forcing its stupid punish Mark for leaving vendetta on its idols) 😔

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, SM, but they're also in their 10th year, I'd like to think they have some agency with all of their talk about how they got a better contract. Show me the proof, Johnny and Taeyong. They can't show the proof which is why they can mouth off like that. It also felt like a dig at Mark, now that I think about it. Like, "WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED WITH SM, YOU COULD HAVE WAITED A BIT MORE BEFORE THROWING A FIT AND LEAVING LOL" without saying that, no mention of 'waiting a bit' or 'throwing a fit', these were my lovely imaginative scenarios. I doubt anyone is reading into it as much as I am right now. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. The same shit happened with EXO when Tao left EXO. SM DOES have a track record, but NCT 127 (well, Johnny and Taeyong from their live after KCON) is reaaaally leaning hard into it, even if you remove the 'CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED'. OR is this Johnny and Taeyong distancing themselves from Mark because of the other shit that happened that has only been remembered (& made-up in the other cases) by antis on Twatter? Either way, it's goofy and petty and I hate it.

[sweet61]

Same! Some stan twt bullshit does not erase the 10+ years he was working himself to death since childhood for 127. It's so disappointing. 127 owed him a bit of professionalism if not love anymore. And they didn't give him even that. Horrible.

Being mad at him for not renewing when THEY'RE not working in two units at once just LOOKS BAD sorry lmao.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, it does look bad for them. So it's really...weird to see that happen in real time. EXO weren't doing live streams when they were insulting Tao leaving, they were talking to reporters or something like that, which was even more orchestrated than what Johnny and Taeyong did on Weverse/whatever. So...it really feels like those two in particular are steering the ship of that bullshit. I don't know if Yuta did, or Jaehyun or Haechan. Beyond Haechan re-signing the contract and I keep focusing on that vs. the other 127 members only because Haechan and Mark were the two who were in two units, so him, in particular signing the contract again is what feels most like double betrayal. Betrayal is still betrayal, Johnny and Taeyong just are making shit worse for the others involved in that blood oath contract signing. I forgot about the time Taeyong was being harassed by antis and Mark defended him. Thank you for reminding me. Mad City. Yeah, NCT 127 City Mad at Mark for no goddamn reason. Johnny, you and Taeyong are 32/33, I thought you would be more mature about this, you're somehow worse than the 'maknae' at 26 right now.

[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.

[sweet61]

Oh my god what did they do in pinyata. Is it that "choose those who stayed" nonsense?

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, that thing. And I was side-eyeing it for the exact same reason because of the wording sounding like a passive-aggressive vague response to Mark. Also just saw your tag about Mark being a hoe, lol. Oh, Yuta Nakamoto. Oh, Jungwoo. But what was the fanservice ramp up?

[sweet61]

Just the usual Haechan leaning on and touching Mark as much as possible.

SM really forcing 127 to shade their youngest member (besides hyuck) for choosing to stop overworking himself to death. 😐

Look I get why 127 fandom may be less forgiving to Mark. He left them with ZERO warning. At least dreamzens got a last concert. But I think 127 should be more professional about this. If RJ can speak up why can't they? Dream still hangs out with him so why doesn't 127? Taeyong even left a nice comment on his upper room post. So what happened between then and now (other than SM forcing its stupid punish Mark for leaving vendetta on its idols) 😔

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, SM, but they're also in their 10th year, I'd like to think they have some agency with all of their talk about how they got a better contract. Show me the proof, Johnny and Taeyong. They can't show the proof which is why they can mouth off like that. It also felt like a dig at Mark, now that I think about it. Like, "WE GOT WHAT WE WANTED WITH SM, YOU COULD HAVE WAITED A BIT MORE BEFORE THROWING A FIT AND LEAVING LOL" without saying that, no mention of 'waiting a bit' or 'throwing a fit', these were my lovely imaginative scenarios. I doubt anyone is reading into it as much as I am right now. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. The same shit happened with EXO when Tao left EXO. SM DOES have a track record, but NCT 127 (well, Johnny and Taeyong from their live after KCON) is reaaaally leaning hard into it, even if you remove the 'CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED'. OR is this Johnny and Taeyong distancing themselves from Mark because of the other shit that happened that has only been remembered (& made-up in the other cases) by antis on Twatter? Either way, it's goofy and petty and I hate it.

[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.

[sweet61]

Oh my god what did they do in pinyata. Is it that "choose those who stayed" nonsense?

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Yes, that thing. And I was side-eyeing it for the exact same reason because of the wording sounding like a passive-aggressive vague response to Mark. Also just saw your tag about Mark being a hoe, lol. Oh, Yuta Nakamoto. Oh, Jungwoo. But what was the fanservice ramp up?

[nctdream]

😚🍎

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Who was the 'baby' that Mark meant? I still can't believe that's a song. How. "OH, YEAH, HERE'S OUR ROOKIE GROUP NCT 127 WITH A SONG ABOUT CHEATING AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PERSON, IT'S ABOUT THE MAIN SINGER/S CHEATING" I am aware of No More Perfume On You by TEENTOP, but this was after that disaster, SM really put that out there, huh.

[sweet61]

When mahae fans talk about Baby Don't Like It they mean only the rap part which is the part Mark wrote not the cheating part.

Baby is obviously Haechan.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Well, I'm even more stupid. I thought Haechan's stage name meant FULL SUN. I blame Haechan for making me think that as someone (me) who doesn't know Korean. Oh man, I never thought of that before and because of that.

[sweet61]

I thought the same. It has both meanings ig.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

So...it was about his first meeting? The cheating part came out of left-field in the song's chorus, lol. "oh, that's so sweet-what...???" Oh, it wasn't the debut! Limitless. I have all of the songs and yet I missed what album it came from. I also read a comment on the Genius page saying "Haechan said Mark wrote some of the lyrics about him" ...literal confirmation. Or was he like sweating when he heard the lyrics and like "is this song about me?"

[sweet61]

My personal opinion he was just teasing. Yeah that part is just confusing. Option 1) Hc knew and was teasing because it was true. Option 2) Hc didn't know, was teasing, and it turned out to be true. Either way, who gets to just live like that man. Oh yeah this song is about me poof song is about him. HC's crazyass manifestation powers I tell you.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Searching for the answer only gave me a link to a lyric video...and a post on Tumblr that doesn't exist anymore. It was like "Haechan says it's like how they (him and Mark) talk to eachother in the dorm" ??? I mean, yeah, I can see the BABY but only because...Haechan did the same thing with Jaehyun (the maknae before Haechan appeared) when he called him, they both did.

[sweet61]

That's not about the word "baby" more like he means "Mark treats me like this in the dorm" (push and pull).

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Ohh. I understand now, but Mark's lyrics didn't sound like push and pull, it felt like praise (albeit reluctant, with a caveat, and still there). "YOU'RE DANGEROUS BUT I LIKE YOU" not the exact words lol also he put the ball in Haechan's court, oddly. WRONG MOVE, PAST MARK, WRONG MOVE. The plight of an INFJ-A Leo with an ESTP Gemini.

[sweet61]

Yeah that kind of "I want you (pull) but I shouldn't (push) but I can't help myself (pull)" deal. Which is a VERY consistent theme in their relationship even over 10 years lol.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Amazing. And tragic. The worst plots from Kdramas are MISCOMMUNICATIONS. And that is a real life example. And it was most likely on Haechan's end. No, I KNOW it was on his end. It's really fucked up how mad he makes me because I am reading this bullshit personally. I understand MARK'S END of this Mahae thing because he's an INFJ. The thing is...he's a very patient INFJ. If it were ME, I would have left years ago. And HC would never own up to it nor go after him. HIM SIGNING THE SM SLAVE CONTRACT AGAIN PROVES THAT 100%. I didn't even put that in -that- context until right now. A fucking vicious cycle.

[sweet61]

This TRAGEDY!!! Same. I was so pissed off at Haechan. Im only ever pissed off at either one when they treat the other one wrong.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

No, you don't understand. I, myself, didn't realize what a passive-aggressive move it was for Haechan to sign back to SM after Mark left - until just now. Damn. Puts everything into perspective. How the fuck is he going to fix this? I know NCT DREAM said Mark was with them on the vacation but...uh, one vacation isn't going to help anything; it's not like fiction. Nevermind that you have 5 other people in your business. If anyone's serious, it has to be literally private one-on-one. And talking like adults. Starting with HAECHAN.

[sweet61]

Lol. I really think they've both gone no contact. Wait till their 40 year reunion after 3 divorces. 😂

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Haechan's ruined marriage will be for the same exact reason but with the bonus that he can't stop talking about Mark. ESTPs are like that ONE horoscope sign people meme on for being bad and it's literally just manifesting like that because of Haechan also being the embodiment of said bad MBTI. I called it passive aggressive/petty because his live after Mark left, he was praising 'Mark-hyung's' decision and calling him brave, but also not following his lead because he re-signed the same contract Mark didn't sign back to. On top of the shady 127 bullshit. If you see something, it probably means it's exactly that/what you think it is. "CHOOSE THOSE WHO STAYED" ...to be beaten into the ground, have no privacy, and be forced into diets for 10 years of your life. Haechan, a door was opened for you to pass through by Mark...and you slammed it shut for no reason. I can't even say Ten passed through it because he's still in NCT. Mark crawled so you could walk, Haechan. Of all the DREAM members, Mark probably did think Haechan would leave. He had every reason to. EVERY REASON. But his pride with NCT came first before anything else. Even his closest relationship was not worth saving.

[sweet61]

I read the words "Haechan's Ruined Marriage" and started cackling like you wouldn't believe.

Honestly, he did say Mark's decision was a decision he himself couldn't make.

I just keep being baffled why he stepped up the fanservice in the last few months. Like what was his goal there. Any one with eyes could see Mark had strong feelings for him before he left. What passive aggressive revenge bullshit was Hc playing at.

[xiuxiuchenchenlove]

Honestly, my livid response to Haechan was why I didn't remember him saying he couldn't make the same decision, but it still doesn't make his re-signing any better. HOWEVER, the real twist of the knife was NCT 127's Piñata's literal 'I'M VAGUE POSTING ABOUT MARK' in a quick image people had to pause to read. And people did read it. And they knew who it was about. I feel like I missed a ton of shit with fanservice, including now so I am very lost. I was here for Superhuman but I was also here before Superhuman and I never noticed the hug until you posted it.