Sometimes I black out and mass reblog Loki posts. It is chronic and deadly. Being unable to queue things is also a symptom. Thank you for your understanding for my very difficult condition. My main blog is @friendlyneighborhoodevilvillain
Something that goes unquestioned in Avengers Assembled is how Loki knows about Black Widow's past; "Can you wipe out that much red?... the hospital fire?"
He also knows about Cap;
"Ah, the soldier. The man out of time!" he says, when they are about to fight.
Loki was briefed on all the players.
It's 10 years now, and it remains one of those 'little details' that really bugs me, that no one ever says, "Whoah! How'd he know that about me?"
Like even saying that he talked to Clint and other shield members, that's a lot of intelligence to know the right questions to ask and to extract such information
Okay okay. So it's always been my headcanon that he didn't get all his information from Clint, but still some of it.
Or SHIELD.
Loki had the mind stone with him. I think rather than extracting information from talking, Loki used the mind stone to go over the minds of his enemies and figure out their weaknesses/sore spots then use it for verbal battles.
Clint just told him who do that too, because he knew who was on the Avengers Initiative.
haha remember that time thor got banished to a backwater realm for disobeying his daddy being an arrogant dickhead and then the entire fandom and also marvel proceeded to forget that ever happened?
#the laughable allusion to having 'courted war' in his 'youth' is the last we ever hear of it#after that it's like everyone just forgot that thor's origin story was literally a redemption arc#not a very well fleshed out one i'll grant you#since we're given no plausible reason for his sudden change of heart#and it reads less like he learned to be more measured and diplomatic#than that he learned daddy's wisdom isn't to be challenged#but it was still *intended* to be read as a redemption arc#and everyone just like... forgot#and proceeded to headcanon him as a big fluffy ray of sunshine golden retriever#who's never done anything wrong ever
I mean I usually go with "Thor was fine with destroying Jotunheim, he just didn't want Loki to do it because he knows Loki wouldn't normally lie to him or send the Destroyer after their friends or want to destroy Jotunheim so he's acting off and Thor is opposing that by stopping him" with a little "Odin said the war with Jotunheim was bad and disobeying him on this the first time made me lose everything as punishment so I don't want to be responsible for it again, or for Loki to be stuck with such a thing" to explain the end of the film. Thor's "redemption arc" wouldn't get any further underway than saying other life forms are not better than them in Avengers 1, and Thor 2 ends on Thor deciding that Actually Yes Odin Was Wrong About More Than I Originally Thought And I Need To Be Better. Screen fades to black. Cue redemption via goodwill in his travels away from Asgard.
The scene where Wanda turns Agatha into a slave of the mind reminds me of the scene where Thor tortured Loki. What's next? Bucky and Sam torture Zemo? Good thing Tony is dead. They can't destroy him(how have you fallen Marvel that I'm glad you killed the sacrificial Tony Stark?)
Yes! Specially her grin after she turned her into Agnes made me cringe and I was also reminded of how Thor grinned and enjoyed watching Loki being tortured by the obedience disk.
Me, frothing at the mouth: :) well. Time to talk about my least favorite OOC moment for Thor in Ragnarok.
Loki is in too much pain to talk
Loki cannot move
Loki's entire body is spasming because his muscles are locked. Have you ever seen any videos of people getting tased or (unfortunately) been tased yourself? Imagine that but rather than it ending after a few seconds it goes on for HOURS. that's what the obedience disk is-- a taser.
You ever seen those scenes in movies where they get out a cattle prod and torture people with that? Yeah. TORTURE? that is EXACTLY what Thor is doing. As punishment. On purpose.
Thor leaves Loki, vulnerable, in enemy territory, unable to defend himself
Thor leans over Loki's twitching body and taunts him and tells him that the way he is now isn't enough "you could be so much more." The fact that Thor takes the time to taunt him "life is about growth, it's about change, you just seem to want to stay the same" makes this so much worse. If Thor used the disk then ran away it would showcase that it was just something Thor felt forced to do because there was other stuff going on and he just didn't have time to deal with Loki. The fact that he takes time to TAUNT HIM shows that Loki being in pain was part of the plan. They had time in the elevator to talk. Thor could have said this all to him then. He didn't. He waited until Loki couldn't fight back.
Thor leaves the device out of Loki's reach on PURPOSE to stall him and then has the gall to be angry that Loki is late later??? MY GUY?
Thor taunting Loki about his lack of character:
Loki, who is in too much pain to move, he leaves on the floor on purpose, alone, with the Grandmaster, who has promised to KILL BOTH OF THEM, hunting them down and thor KNOWS that:
Thor, upon activating a device he knows is so painful it caused him to BLACK OUT not once but MULTIPLE TIMES to his sibling that he says it the "thought the world of" (imagine what he does to his enemies):
he smiles.
This caused him to black out.
He knows that he's about to leave Loki on the floor like this for the minimum of an hour.
He knows he's going to leave Loki with no way of escape
This caused him to black out. How is this NOT torture? Was Thor "justTiFieD"? Sure. Was he doing it to defend himself to Loki? Yeah. Sure. But there were MANY different ways this could have gone. Like in the ORGINAL SCRIPT -- where this betrayal didn't happen at all. And the plot was FINE. I don't know whose decision it was to add this bit, Chris H. or Taika Waititi's, but it is the most out of character crap I have EVER SEEN.
This is the moment that made me give up on the movie completely. OOC thor to it's finest. Thor in Thor 1, 2 and Avengers 1 would MURDER Ragnarok Thor on the spot with his teeth if he saw what Ragnarok Thor did to his sibling. I've got family issues, but I cannot IMAGINE doing this to my siblings. Electrocuting them, taunting them, and then WALKING AWAY? How sadistic and callous do you have to BE to do that???
I do not mean to be moral police, but I think it's important that we take a step back from a character's actions and view them critically rather than whether or not the narrative says they're justified because they're the hero. That's where the Wanda problem comes in. She did something awful but the narrative expects us to believe she's a victim of Westview because she's an Avenger. She is not a victim. She was the perpetrator.
Thor basically attaches Loki to a car battery, electrocutes him non-stop for a minimum of an hour, taunts him, walks away, leaves him in enemy territory, and THAT is the hero I'm supposed to be rooting for? At least villains are awful and the narrative doesn't pretend otherwise. Thanos killed Gamora and no one heaped praise on him for that choice. If Thanos had done this to Thor, no one would question it's torture. But because it happened to Loki and Thor was the one who did it, somehow it's okay?
hello! sorry to bother you, but im a huge fan of your writing, particularly your loki fics. one of my favorites of yours is "drawing keys with water." im currently writing a fic that has loki's past with the black order as a plot point, and i was wondering if i could use the name Nova for him as a child of thanos, like in your fic? if not, that's totally fine! regardless, i love your work and always look forward to seeing updates!
hi!! I'm so glad that you liked my work and found such inspiration!! :) It's so nice to hear that. Im okay if you use it, I'd just prefer you source me and DKWW. You don't have to say the fic was inspired by it or anything I'd you don't want to, but to me that would look like in the notes somewhere you have: "the name nova was taken from galaxythread's fic drawing Keys with water with permission" etc.
If you'll give a moment to gush about that though,
I imagine that the only person Thanos didn't rename is gamora, so given that, looking at all of the names of the kids he did, we have: proxima midnight, corvas glaive, ebony maw, cull obsidian and nebula.
Everything is both color/void and vaguely astronomy centered. Proxima centuri is the star closest to our sun, corvas is a constellation for a crow, cull is a way to measure something as null in astronomy, and maw was a astronomer. Also! Almost forgot. Nebula is a stage of star development.
Given this, I picked nova from supernova, which is what an exploding star is called after it collapses in on itself. A rebirth, in a way. I thought thanos thought of this as Loki's rebirth. He's Like That.
Again, thanks so much! Happy writing! Please share your fic with me when you're done I'd love to read it. Always a sucker for child of Thanos stories š š
Added thought: You realize that out of all of the Avengers (including his own brother) only the Hulk was able to do any real physical damage to him.
He got blown up by both Phil Coulson and Hawkeye. He was thrown out of a skyscraper window (do you realize how thick those windows are?) by Tonyās suit. He got his ass kicked by his big brother (who is also a demi-god and physically stronger). Not a single one of those events caused him any real physical harm. Not. A. Single. One.
It took the Hulk to draw blood, to bruise him. And even after that, he was only banged up a little. (Consider how capable he is of walking next to Thor at the end of the film.)
Why do I bring this up? Because it is clear that he is significantly worse off physically at the beginning than any other time in the filmāincluding the Hulk-smash. There is no question that wherever he came from, he was going through physical torture (and Iād wager mental torture, too).
Something I really love about this shot is the way Loki looks at the scepter for a second right before attacking with it. I can kind of see his thought process throughout the gifs - he arrives, just having come from whatever horrors heās experienced with Thanos, disoriented, probably very scared on the inside. He examines this extremely powerful weapon he probably has no experience using. He gathers what little strength he has, collects his thoughts,Ā can I really do this, and then he looks up, menacing, thereās no turning back now,Ā attacks in sudden full-villain mode,Ā and proceeds to continue this way for the duration of the story - mad and murderous and unshakably determined, with terror and agony just barely contained under the surface. Itās one of those little things that shows how lost he is in this film underneath theĀ ābig bad villainā exterior.Ā
"the new avengers are cooked , von doom has 4 powerful sorcerers!!!" Loki can literally take them all out on his own. If you don't have him on your side that's your bad . Work on it
Worst part is that having Loki on your side is a pretty reliable indicator that you will win. BUT āļø being betrayed by Loki is a definitive guarantee that your side will lose
Sometimes Loki pretends to betray you. This obviously doesn't have the same effect on winrate as an actual betrayal. chances remain 100% but there are extra steps because you don't know you've won yet
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