gwyn lover🩵

[zoyaaaz]

i was rereading acosf and the fact that when gwyn sings nesta sees “mossy earth and golden sun,clear rivers and the deep shadows” tell me mossy earth and golden sun aren’t elucien and clear rivers and deep shadows aren’t gwynriel?? can sjm make it any more obvious?? also the fact people twist this to say gwyn is an evil lightsinger when sjm explicitly stated if her character likes music they can’t be evil😭😭

[yennas-stuff]

Instead of calling for the Blood Duel, Lucien should use the power of psychological warfare and borrow Gwyn's priestess robes from time to time just to walk around Velaris and confuse the shit out of Azriel. This fella would think he's going crazy.

[leiaorrganna]

it’s their thing

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[lovelygwyneth]

“𝚂𝚖𝚘𝚘𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚂𝚒𝚍𝚛𝚊, 𝚜𝚠𝚒𝚏𝚝 𝚊𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙸𝚕𝚕𝚢𝚛𝚒𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚝𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚜…”

Gwyneth Berdara by @/tomandosal on IG and commissioned by me 🩵

Please do not repost without permission.

[gshadowsinger]

I need some more Gwynriel hope, please 🥺and this vibe in their book.

I NEED SJM TO DROP THE NEXT BOOK LIKE AIR 🥺

[lplusl]

Gwyn’s “Luring Ligthsinger” Powers

It’s been alleged that Gwyn “lured” Azriel to go to the Library during the events of the bonus chapter (to get herself some new jewlery, I guess?).

There are two major points in this theory:

- 1. She lured Azriel because he “found himself” in the Library at 7pm, and during this is the time Gwyn sings at the Dusk Service, so her song must be making him do this;

- 2. Gwyn’s singing also lured Nesta into scrying.

Allow me to break this down:

1. Azriel was “lured” because there’s no way he could’ve gone to the Library out of his own free will (//sarcasm).

Their evidence is this:

“Instead he found himself at the Library beneath the House of Wind, standing before Clotho as the clock chimed seven in the evening”

I’d argue that the bonus chapter itself disproves this, because the same thing happened when he entered the foyer where he meets Elain.

“He found himself leaving the room. Entering the foyer”

In a place called The Night Court, and especially a day after the Winter Solstice, I’m guessing dusk arrives rather early. So the “Dusk” Services might be held at an earlier time than 7pm, and when Azriel came down, the service was likely over. This is just me trying to use standard logic, and by no means do I think Sarah even thought about this when she wrote the chapter.

However, what really nails my argument is the fact that Clotho was at her desk when Azriel found her there at 7pm. She is part of the services and actively participates in them, so it’s safe to say the service was over. And if the service was over, there was no Gwyn singing and thus, no “siren song” to lure Azriel to do anything he didn’t want to do.

The Services do start with seven rings of a bell, yes, but this might be just part of the ceremony and not a clock.

“Each peal was a summons, a call to focus. Everyone rose at the seventh peal.” .

2. Gwyn’s singing “lured” Nesta: When Nesta started to be lulled by the voices, there were three people singing, so this cannot be pinned on Gwyn alone.

“Gwyn’s voice rose again, holding such a high note it was like a ray of pure light, piercing and summoning. Two other voices rolled in to join, pulsing around that repeated high note, the harp still strumming, voices whispering and flowing, lulling Nesta down, down, down into a pure, ancient place where no outside world existed, no time, nothing but the music in her hones, the stones at her fert, her side, overhead.”

“Cold leeched through Nesta, clarifying her thoughts enough to realize where she stood. That the music of the priestesses had lulled her into a trance, that her own bones and the stone of the mountain surrounding her had been her scrying tools, and she had drifted to this place…”

In the end, the scrying happened because of a conjunction of everything going on: the bones, the stone and Nesta relaxing with the music. It was the perfect set up. She could always scry and never needed Gwyn’s voice, but she just needed to relax.

Sarah has said herself that any character associated with music in her books could never be bad, so no, there isn’t any luring. Especially since every description of Gwyn’s voice is positive: the music was pure, a gilded ray of light, perfect, beautiful sound, a dream given form, clear, powerful, soaring like a bird, voice full of sunshine and joy and unshakable determination, a ray of pure light.

The bottom line is that Gwyn’s singing isn’t luring anyone. Azriel was fully conscious when he went down to the Library:

But Azriel tucked away the thought, consciously erasing the slight smile it brought to his face. Buried the image deep down, where it glowed quietly. A thing of secret, lovely beauty.

Does Gwyn have powers? Absolutely. Could Gwyn be a Lightsinger? Sure. But she doesn’t fit Cassian’s description of Lightsingers at all. So I’ll take the Lightsinger theory only if she doesn’t lure people to do things against their will.

[sadiegirl2021]

Calanmai in SJM fantasy world is set in March, not May. Everyone lower their swords! No fighting on Gwyn's birthday!

[zoyaaaz]

is it just me or does this video of oscar isaac and jessica chastain gives such gwynriel vibes?? my babies

[freyjas-musings-deactivated2025]

While a spark in the chest is one of the common themes SJM has used for her mates ( mostly ) there are other phrases and words that have been consistently used such as

Glowing image in their heart

Feeling Calm/Settled in the mates presence

Musical connections

The magic reacting positively to one another .

Invariably, every mated couple whether it be Feysand, Nessian, Rowaelin, Quinlar or Ruhn Lidia have all had 2 or more of these included in their equation through the books.

Guess who she included all of these for ? That's right Gwyn and Az .... even if one isolated one was used for a non mated couple .... the rest of it is simply conclusive of what the Author is trying to say .

Can someone show me where 2 or More of the mate language signs have been used for a non-mated couple ? 2 or More ... if you come to me with Lorcan and Aelin entering into a blood oath which is inturn a bond of sorts the joke is on you , but by all means let me know if there have been more than one of the above points that could be applied .

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This is a beautifully curated post with accurate points backed by citations from Canon text.

Its not random words taken out of context to make it look like parallels ( which is what the other group does ) especially when the females in question already have a mate its even more funny.

Maybe people really need to start picking up other books , this whole thing about mates and mate language has been said so many times yet we have people not understanding basics , it's sad. Hope they find hobbies .

[acourtofthought]

TLDR; Because people have gone so far left, they've gone right. Their "wokeness" has led them to completely disregard someone's trauma in the bigger picture. They seem to think Elriels are using Gwyn's SA as a reason Gwynriel can't happen, when Elriels are just trying to be respectful and patient with Gwyn's own trauma to allow her to show some interest in someone before we ship her with anyone.

Longer Answer:

To clarify, there is nothing wrong with a survivor of SA wanting to have sex and get into a relationship. How they deal with their trauma is up to them. I've seen some survivors of SA go on a "sleeping with everyone they meet" bender and some people who can't even be around men for a long period of time. Both are heartbreaking but that is how someone deals with their trauma, and it's nobody else's business.

SA is the product of cruel entitlement. It is a real issue, one that's rampant on college campuses, remote villages, even in the highest of corporate offices. That's the harsh reality. It might be presented as a fictional concept in this book, a reason for background trauma - but it is very much real.

To say a survivor of SA cannot go on to have sex or relationships with others is wrong. That implies they are damaged goods or they are weak and broken. That's wrong.

How someone reacts and processes SA trauma is up to them. It's nobody else's business. Their trauma does not define them. But after a traumatic event like that - they have to be the one to make the call of when and if they want to pursue other relationships. On their own timeline.

When it comes to Gwyn, her stans get defensive when they see people say "Gwyn is still healing from SA trauma, I don't think she's ready for a relationship" because they think we're using it as a reason she can't be with Azriel. They think we're saying "Gwyn is damaged and weak, so she can't be with Azriel". They think we regard ALL SA survivors as being unable to carry out a relationship, healthy sex life, real love because their abuse ... and so they get all up in arms -> and honestly I'm with them on that, because THAT is a disgusting take.

But thankfully, no Elriel is saying such a heinous thing.

We are saying Gwyn specifically has not shown signs of healing from that trauma yet. She still can't leave the library at the end of ACOSF, and has once again - just been through another round of trauma in the BR getting almost attacked by a group of bloodthirsty, disgusting males. She hasn't shown any sign of blushing at Azriel or wanting to touch him or sighing after him like the other priestesses - so what is giving people the indication that she has healed from this trauma and is ready for a relationship?

Like, let me put it this way. If I open the next ACOTAR book and it's somehow about Gwyn & Azriel, I still think Gwyn wouldn't be ready to be in a relationship, even if Azriel is her mate. I still think it would take time for her to feel comfortable around men. Even if he were to be her mate ... somehow - I don't think she is going to suddenly flip a switch and have fantasies of him and have them sneak around having sex between the shelves in the library.

I do not think she is there yet. The most "interest" she has shown during sex is when she:

1. Teased Nesta about Cassian (again not talking about her OWN interest)

2. Talked about how her virginity, her ability to participate in the great Rite had been taking away from her by Hybern's men when they SA-ed her. ... (do I even need to explain how this isn't her being ready to have sex ... it's literally her being upset they took yet another thing from her....?)

And then she gets traumatized again from the BR. And then goes back into the library.

Does that sound like someone is well and healed and ready to pursue a relationship?

No. At least not in my opinion. And listen, I could be wrong - I could open the next ACOTAR Book (when I'm 50 at this rate) and it starts of with a graphic sex scene with Gwyn. I'll eat my words then, idc. But I'm saying right now - it doesn't seem to me like Gwyn is ready for ANYONE.

Azriel has nothing to even do with this. There are plenty of reasons Elriels do not believe Gwynriel is a viable pairing - and it has nothing to do with whether Gwyn is ready to be in a relationship or not.

Gwyn's SA trauma is not something I've seen any Elriel bring up as a reason as to why Azriel & Gwyn can't be together. The main reason we don't ship them together is because

1. We didn't see anything romantic between them in the first place

2. We don't believe that they're mates just because of the word "spark"

3. Elain exists, and she is the current object of all of Azriel's affections

Gwyn's trauma does not make the list. I don't even know where this argument came from but I suspect it was somewhere along the lines of "Gwyn & Azriel don't make any sense, I don't think she's even ready for a relationship yet after ACOSF" and the GAs purposefully twisted our words to say "YOU GUYS ARE SAYING SA VICTIMS CANT HAVE RELATIONSHIPS AND THats why you hate Gwynriel!"

Like no, babes. I'll believe Gwyn is ready to pursue a relationship or sex with someone else when she initiates it. It's literally as simple as that 🤷🏻‍♀️

And that goes for all characters, not just victims of SA or other abuse. You can ship whoever you want of course, even if they don't show romantic interest.

But to claim that ship is canon, that ship is going to be endgame - you need to show me in the text where either character shows some romantic attraction to the other.

It's actually a little sad how you come into my anons thinking you're doing me a favor "clearing something up" for me when the reality is that everything you said is completely false while you try so hard to convince yourself it's canon.

Elain is NOT the current object of Az's attention. Was she for the months between the two Solstices? Sure. But Mor was also the object of his attention at the same time. His longing stares at Mor were fewer and farther between however that does not equal zero which means there were still looks being sent her way. He was pissy towards Helion over Mor for heavens sake. However beyond the three days after Solstice there is absolutely no evidence of Elain being the object of Az's interest just as there is absolutely no evidence of Az being the object of Elain's interest. One would say Elain has revoked any consent she offered Az with the return of his gift yet somehow you think it's ok to ship them in a sexual relationship? Or are you of the thought that girls can't retract consent once it's given?

You're splitting hairs. You say it's not right for the fandom to ship a Gwynriel endgame which would include a sexual relationship because Gwyn hasn't specifically stated "I want to hook up with him" or come on to Az yet it's ok for you to push a sexual relationship on Elain that she no longer seems to want. A sexual relationship on Az that he no longer seems to want. The end of SF took place 4 /5 months after Solstice. The events of HOFAS about 7 and there is absolutely no canon evidence that he even thinks of Elain in that way anymore. If you're so sure he's over Mor after longing for her for 500 years then surely it's believable that he's move past a crush he had for a year tops?

Also, if you're fine with fanart / fanfiction of Elain and Az engaging in kinky sex than you're a hypocrite.

Elain was willing to kiss Az but where is the text that proves she was ready to do more than that after she was violated by being put into the Cauldron. You don't even know whether she would have enjoyed the kiss. Had they followed through SHE could have pulled back and said it was a mistake. She could have walked away feeling nothing. Trust me it happens. I spent over a year lusting after a guy but the timing was never right for us. When we finally had our chance it was extremely awkward. For whatever reason the pining for him created more tension and chemistry than the chemistry we actually had together.

Also, you thinking Gwyn isn't ready for a relationship doesn't really matter does it? You can dislike what Sarah writes, you can wish she'd gone in a different direction but your personal feelings play no part in what will actually happen. And when you look at Sarah's writing she clearly has no issues allowing characters to move forward from SA in a shortened timeline (i.e., Rhys with Feyre). It's already been 2 years and 7 months for Gwyn, Rhys ended up mated to Feyre 5 months after his SA. Gwyn doesn't have to show an insatiable desire for sex in Nesta's book when she can simply reveal that in her own. Nobody is acting like it's wrong to ship Emerie and Mor when Emerie wasn't saying things like "damn, I need to get laid."

Gwyn has ABSOLUTELY shown signs of beginning to heal from trauma. She spent two years afraid to be around anyone but those in the library and within a few months of training she was already fine being alone with Az on the rooftop of Solstice evening. How is that not growth? Alone with a man and smiling at him? Sassing him after Solstice rather than pulling even further into herself?

You can sit on your high horse and proclaim you need the text to support Gwyn's feelings on the situation before you're "ok" with it and that's fine, you do you. But let's not pretend you actually give a shit about an imaginary character who has no actual feelings when real life survivors will tell you they're inspired by the thought of a Gwynriel endgame yet you care little about what they have to say.

Especially when you're the same people who ship Vassa and Lucien despite us having no idea whether Vassa prefers men or women. Despite Lucien having also been SA yet you've got no problem convincing yourselves he desires Vassa, will end up with Vassa, despite him only showing longing for Elain (his mate). So no, it does not appear you actually need confirmation of romantic interest before proclaiming them canon or endgame.

Also, it's ok that you don't see the potential romantic setup for Gwynriel right now despite so many that do. Surprises are part of the fun of reading, right?

But as things currently stand Az and Gwyn's "non interest" in one another seems to hold a lot more potential than "he hadn't gotten that far with his planning, certainly not beyond the fantasies he pleasured himself to".

[zoyaaaz]

the fact that sjm started the bonus chapter with elain and ended it with gwyn is so telling…

ppl don’t realise even for small chapters the author intends to structure it a specific way:

the chapter starts with azriel envying the mating bonds of rhys and cassian between the 2 archeron sisters, and then what does he do?

lusts after the third archeron, elain. he almost kisses her right below her mate because he’s so convinced after 500 years of pining after mor and no mating bond, that elain is his mate. because why would the cauldron have 2 sisters mated to 2 brothers, but not the third?

azriel even questions this, “Tell me how it's possible that my two brothers are with two of those sisters, yet the third was given to another." - he doesn’t even call elain by her name, merely “the third”

it’s obvious by now he feels no romantic love for elain, only lust as he’s blinded by his desire for a mate. he even admits this “He hadn't gotten that far with his planning, certainly not beyond the fantasies he pleasured himself to.”

and then, after questioning this, he goes to the training pit where he meets gwyn, where his shadows dance with her breath like it heard silent music, something restless settled in him, his shadows were content to watch and sang back at the faint, beautiful singing as he left.

the chapter then ended with azriel gifting gwyn the necklace, and buried an imagine of gwyn’s teal eyes lighting up at the necklace (my baby🥹🥹)

and the last line of the chapter is azriel seeing the image of her happy as a thing of secret, lovely beauty.

SJM ended the chapter like this, to show that gwyn is the answer to his question, she is his mate.- it’s showing how azriel tried defying fate but fate has something better in store for him (in this case, he attempted to pursue a relationship with a mated female bc of how bad he wants a mate, but fate has gifted him a mate of his own)

SJM is a fated mates author, azriel and gwyn are mates and will be endgame, lucien and elain are mates and will be endgame.

[zoyaaaz]

i just saw someone mad that people were saying it’s gwyns birthday since she was conceived on may 1st meaning it can’t be her birthday today so let’s break this down:

fae pregnancies typically last 10 months, and we know that gwyn was a twin

may 1st - jan 15th is 8 months and two weeks, meaning it is possible for gwyn to be born at this time since we know premature birth occurs

even humans can give birth to twins 2 months early, so why wouldn’t fae be able to with their magic and healers??

anyway, happy birthday to our gwyneth🩵🩵🩵🫶

[zoyaaaz]

happy birthday to gwyneth berdara - our beloved redhead valkyrie😫😫😫🩵🩵🩵

[acourtofsillylittleguys]

Why do so many of y'all act like Lucien is panting after Elain and being a creep when he has been NOTHING but respectful and considerate of her wants and needs?

The only one panting after Elain was Azriel in the ACOSF bonus chapter and it was because he's envious of Rhys and Cass having found their mates.

[lplusl]

It’s not a gotcha that Gwyn wasn’t even present when Azriel thought of those pretty teal eyes lighting up with joy when she got the necklace. I’d say it makes it even more special.

[zoyaaaz]

the fact that people genuinely think elucien and gwynriel aren’t happening is baffling to me😭

like if elriel did happen then we just have lucien on the sidelines 🧍‍♂️ probably depressed bc sjm stated a male can literally become suicidal if their mate rejects them i don’t see her doing that since she is a HEA girlie

also the fact ppl are saying vassa and him will be together?😭 he blushed once because of her, azriel also blushed because of nesta but no one’s shipping them💀

and then we have gwyn, i’ve seen people ship her with lucien?💀 like pls they both have ancestry to the autumn court which makes me think they’re related. tbh i don’t think gwyn needs a male anyway if sjm does go down that route which is highly unlikely, because again, she writes happy endings, gwyn deserves someone who doesn’t have a mating bond and is only attached to her!!

[zoyaaaz]

does anyone else think balthazar will have a bigger role in the next book?

i’m talking about the guy who helped nesta and emerie in the rite, all we know is bros scared of feyre cursebreaker (as he should be) we don’t even know if he survived the rite

idk i feel like sjm wouldn’t name him and make him seem so mysterious js to never hear from him again, and we’ll see him again