Obsovolution 2.0

The ISTJ/6w5 who will bounce people's heads off while listening to some irrational logical leaps. Contains MBTI rants based on my experiences.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

[ISTJ: How Parent’s Personality Affects My Personality]

Parenting styles are the parents’ perceivable attitudes towards the child, and these styles create an emotional climate in which the parents’ behavior is expressed (Darling and Steinberg, 1993) (1). Belsky argued that parenting is multiply determined by three general sources of influence: child’s individual characteristics, contextual sources of stress and support, and parent personality. He further stated that of those three, personality is the most important source of influence (2). Parenting style does affect child’s personality, and it’s proven by dozens of researchers (1).

 I am the first child of a single parent mother (since about 12 years ago). So basically, I have been exposed to my mom’s way of parenting for a long time (well, duh, for the rest of my life). I type my mom as an ESFJ.

As you all (might) already know, ESFJ’s dominant function is Fe (extroverted feeling). She feeds me with it. She shows me that every day. As a child who mimics what my parent does, I follow and learn her way of thinking, making decisions, and dealing with people. My dad passed away when I was 10, and I assume he was an INTJ.

From her, I learn about social values; what is “good” and what is “bad” according to mainstream society a lot. I also learn how to care for people and how others are above anything. I, as a child/tertiary Fi user, am inclined to question those values and making my own values. But as my exposure to that kind of values is higher than my cynical Fi asking the root of the value (as it is tertiary), it becomes my Si and to me, it’s the “normal” thing. And I learned that I shouldn’t be abhored by people in order to maintain harmony and peace (I soon added myself that it would give me additional profits – pardon my Te), so I shall not disobey the “moral conduct”. Her Fe has been becoming my Si. And it affects my Fe too, of course. My Fe is higher than my Fi in my keys2cognition tests (42 vs. 17, respectively).

My Fe is on the 7th stack of personality, also called by “Trickster”. Trickster, as described by Beebe, is what put us in a double bind (a situation in which a person is confronted with two irreconcilable demands or a choice between two undesirable courses of action). Beebe explained that for example, a parent (ESFJ) with Ni on her trickster to imply damage when an adolescent child threatens to make a choice that the parent does not approve of (3). In my case, it applies to my decision making. Trickster bothers “Parent” (Secondary function) much. And yes, my Fe always put me in a double bind. When I’m about to take a decision that maybe unpreferable for other people, my Fe kicks in and makes me uber confused. It makes me indecisive and unable to hold my opinion and preferences because Fe would agree that holding things to oneself is selfish. I tend to over consider people’s feelings because I don’t want to be hated by people (hence destroying my credibility). To this date, I am still not able to tame this.

Beebe also mentioned specifically about how a developed trickster should be. He picked a story about Alfred Hitchcock who was an ISTJ used his trickster Fe nicely. He was able to make people in a double bind with his Fe in order to cater his Te (parent/secondary) and Fi (puer/child/tertiary). That applies to me as well. I always look nice and agreeable to people, hiding my agendas and willings. I am usually mistaken as an ISFJ due to this demeanor. I persuade them to do my agendas with my Fe. This works well most of the time and they usually listen to my “commands”. I understand that giving direct orders without any sweet talking won’t be effective to make people move, therefore I ask them nicely, minimizing the sweet talks (I hate it so much) but still in an acceptable manner (sometimes I include innuendos).

Trickster is also a “rebel child” in Beebe’s archetype, so just like rebel children do, I rebel with Fe a lot (this might be in cooperation with my Fi, in attempt to make my own moral values). I question social values, reject them, and try to find a logic behind my rejection. But as much as I rebel, I usually comply with what’s normal (remember that my mom’s Fe has become my Si?). For instance, lately, I’ve been questioning why men and women can’t be in a platonic relationship. Why men always took my kindness in a wrong way (romantically involved). That time I was having a lot of male friends on my network, without feeling anything specifically to one of them except pure friendship, but still, they want something (love) from me. My Fe rebels, because the society says that men will /always/ want something when it comes to women. And as a dignified woman, you can’t go out with different men privately because it will spread bad news about you (playgirl, two-penny girl, blah blah). I can’t reckon WHY. It doesn’t make sense at all, at least for me. For me, it’s purely the men with expectations fault. And that time I won’t budge from what I believe. But as the guys keep on coming with expectations that I can’t fulfill and realizing how sucks it is, I quit. I won’t be that woman again. I can’t bear the people’s opinion about me doing this – even my close friends view me differently that time.

My questioning habit indicates my Fe is on stage 3 of function-attitude lifecycle according to Dario Nardi. He stated that on that stage, “We “grasp” the function in its many forms; we question, alter, personalize and make it our own, as a tool with many options; its use is complex and flexible” (4). As a shadow function, it is surprising that it develops much better than my Fi that I assume is in stage 2 (“We accept and follow a social/cultural version of the function, or we passively follow the functional process; we are in its grip; its use is rigid or adolescent”). This is plausible because my mom as a dominant Fe user can’t teach me about how to use Fi nicely because she doesn’t possess it (or maybe dismissing it).

 Her Si, as parent function and the one which is visible exteriorly (by keeping things “normal” for those she loves – everyone) might has a role in making my dominant function Si. Because parent function tends to nurture people, therefore it becomes my dominant as I follow her guidance a lot.

I don’t really remember how my dad used to teach me. But as I mentioned earlier, I assume he was an INTJ. I deduce there’s where I ‘gain’ my Te but I’m not really sure. He did show me much of his Te, due to his parent function and he taught me about leadership, managing things, etc. But the Te doesn’t get too dominant, maybe due to lack of exposure from him after he passed away and my mom has the main role of educating their children since the beginning.

So, how does your parent’s personality affect yours?

Resources for further readings:

1.         Brand S, Hatzinger M, Beck J, Holsboer-Trachsler E. Perceived parenting styles, personality traits and sleep patterns in adolescents. Journal of Adolescence. 2009;32(5):1189-207.

2.         de Haan AD, Prinzie P, Dekovic M. How and why children change in aggression and delinquency from childhood to adolescence: moderation of overreactive parenting by child personality. Journal of child psychology and psychiatry, and allied disciplines. 2010;51(6):725-33.

3.         Beebe J. Type and Archetype Part Two: The Arms and Their Shadow. Typeface. 2007;18:22-7.

4.         Nardi D. A Fresh Understanding of Function Development 2003 [Available from: http://www.darionardi.com/functions.html.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

{Curious anon} Well, since you're MBTI inclined, why not try to guess my type? Or enneagram if you prefer. The rules: you can ask questions (but not outright 'what is your type'), and I can mislead but must answer honestly. A simple enough guessing game, ja?

Hmmm interesting. I shall try both MBTI and Enneagram.Okay first question: Are you an emotional person? Do you show your feelings to other people?

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

{Curious anon} I wondered if you wanted to play a guessing game of sorts.

O yea that'll be interesting! What kind of game?

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

It is I, a curious anon, here to sate your boredom.

O my savior, what happens to be your curiosity? I shall quench your thirst of science

[nothing-new-infp-blog]

BFF type?

I’m curious. What is yours and your best friend MBTI type?

[angryscienceshitposters]

ESTP –> ISTJ <3

[angryinfp]

INFP, my best friends are INTJ and ESFP.

[naughty-nanny]

I’ve got my quadra locked down!

ENFP with an ISTJ husband (cliché significant other = best friend)

INFP male best friend ESTJ female best friend

^^because f*ck gender stereotypes in typology

Oh and ISTJ’s bff is a male ESTJ

[lophiusdragon]

INTJ -> INTP

[farmgorl]

my group is estp (me) + infp + isfj^2 + intj + enfp (im still figuring her out but most likely enfp)

the one im currently closest to is infp though

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

Me, ISTJ, make a group filled with nonsensical things to talk about. Consists of: - bf ENTP - 2 female INTPs - 1 female ISTP - 1 female ENFP - 1 male INTJ

[funkymbtifiction]

The Jungle Book: Mowgli [ESTP]

OFFICIAL TYPING by Charity / The Mod.

Extroverted Sensing (Se): Mowgli is a master at using his environment and knowing how to interact with it – in a crisis, he looks around and figures out how to get away using what is immediately available to him (hitching a ride on stampeding animals, luring Sher Khan above a flaming abyss in an old dead tree, slipping through King Louis’ clutches, etc). He is semi-fearless in his stunts, often insisting that his way is the right way (“if the branch hadn’t broke, I would have made it!”).

Introverted Thinking (Ti): He is terrific at improvising on the fly – when confronted with a problem, Mowgli “invents” a method to solve it, from simple things like getting water with turtle shells to his complex machine that helps him recover honeycomb without being stung! Mowgli does not take things all that personally. He is forever being criticized by other animals for “thinking like a man, not an animal.” It doesn’t take much for him to notice logical inconsistencies and badger Bagheera with questions.

Extroverted Feeling (Fe): Part of him wants to integrate into the wolf pack. He also tries to abide by the jungle laws even though they do not come naturally to him – in order to “fit in” and “be like a wolf.” Other animals’ emotional appeals recruit him into helping them (the bear going on about “you owe me, and I know you’re a nice person, so you’ll pay me back” gets Mowgli stung trying to help him “feed up” for winter; the distress of the elephants means him rescuing their child in the middle of the night). He’s not above complaining or emotional outbursts (“you didn’t tell me!”).

Introverted Intuition (Ni): Long-term thinking is not his strong point, although Mowgli so much enjoys being around Baloo that he intends to stay with him “forever.” Once he knows what “the red flower” is, he develops an idea on how to use it to defeat Sher Khan. Mowgli tends to think in singular terms; he knows what he wants, and goes after it.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

Yaaaay I thought so! Interesting lil child

[littlemissintp]

I actually have a theory that Si is NOT all that great at keeping track of things and recollecting memories. I’m not sure how universally accurate this theory is, since it’s based solely on observations of the Si-users I know in my own life, so bear with me.

Most of the SJs I know are actually pretty forgetful. They have to keep a schedule and write things down, because they know they probably won’t remember if they don’t (frankly, we NPs could probably stand to learn from this; I have a tendency to go, “I have a great memory! I don’t need to write this down; I’ll remember!” and then I don’t, because I’m a disorganized idiot and I have ADD). The SJs I know are more likely than anyone else to repeat the same story or give you the same speech multiple times and, when you say, “Yeah, you already told me,” they genuinely don’t remember doing so.

I think Si probably stores the most detailed, sensory-laden memories of all of the functions, but it’s more random and scattered than most descriptions would have you think. When it comes to organizing and keeping track of memories, I actually think Ti is probably the best function for the job due to its desire to categorize things and fit them into a sort of theoretical mental framework. ISFJs seem to me like they have a more organized memory than the other SJ types and I suspect this is due to their tertiary Ti.

I would really appreciate hearing others’ input on this, especially from SJs. I’m an INTP, so I can only speak from observation rather than experience.

[istj-hedonist]

I can totally confirm that. My memories are super bad and arbitrary. Being an Si-dom is no help there at all. Same for my ISTJ-mum. Any movie, tv show or book experience that is older than a year is like totally new to her. And not in a “oh I forgot some details and I’d love to see it again”-way but in a “I am pretty sure I have never seen this movie in my life before, I would bet my life on it”-way even we have proof that she indeed has seen/read it. I somehow imagine it like in the Inside out movie, those little critters that clean out the collected memories. We have Te-cleaners and they are super effective, often too effective. Everything that takes up even the tiniest amount of space gets thrown away immediately so that we can find the (assumably) more important things easier. Meanwhile my ISFJ sister remembers the weirdest little details, just like in all those Si-stereotypes. I bet her Ti-brain-cleaners are actually little hoarders, probably going around like “nooo we can’t throw that memory away! maybe we need it for something!”.

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

This… is definitely one of those “people can’t be fully summed up by functions” things. I do keep lots of lists, but in part it’s because writing something helps encode it in my memory, and because if you have a list you can check things off and feel accomplished. And yeah, we’re still human, so I remember the main things I need to do but I might forget a particular thing at the grocery store. As for anecdote telling, that’s actually really interesting because I consciously go out of my way to retell things differently and not tell them to the same people multiple times (although sometimes they don’t remember I told them and ask again). The people I know who retell things the same way each time are mostly people with lower Si. So I guess the takeaway is that dom/aux Si and a good memory for the nonessentials are not necessarily correlated.

[jerdle]

The good memory seems to be Ti-Si, so INTP or ISFJ.

[naughty-nanny]

Because that’s not a biased opinion at all!

From a neuroscience perspective it makes sense that quality of memory is not necessarily linked to higher cognitive function simply because memories are stored deeper in the brain. I would agree with previous commentary that cognitive functions don’t necessarily effect your ability or skill, but it does effect what information you deem useful and valuable.

Si trusts memory more, but that doesn’t make it more accurate. Just like Ti trusts internal logic, and Fi trusts personal morals, and Ni trusts predictive intuition. Doesn’t automatically make you better at using and interpreting internal logic or personal morals or predictive intuition, just that you will put more weight on those factors when making decisions. And sometimes they are incorrect.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

I can confirm this.

I should write everything down. I almost forget everything because I don't care about most of the things hahaha and my ESFJ mom always scolds me on this. She even bought me a whiteboard for me to write a reminder.

I should repeat a thing in my mind thousand times before I get to remember it. Or I should write it down and later on I'll be as bright as an elephant.

The saddest part is I can't even recall any jokes. I only feel the joke at that moment but it maybe won't apply in another occasion.

Actually I refer my own mind like a library that are not scattered and they are all classified based on the general terms. But maybe because the sensory is so subjective that I have to pick on what should I remember/value, I guess that leads to the case.

P.s: the ENTP and INTP I know are super scattered and they apt to forget things. They often rely on me for memory-search. But yes, I can't really retell a story based on the fact, but it's all changed from my own interpretation of the convo.

P.s.s: totally agree with @istj-hedonist 's imagination.

[intp-sycho]

Survey

Reblog this with the FIRST type you got and the type you classify as now. MBTI story and ‘in-between’ types optional

>just wanna se if there’s a connection.

[kendrixtermina]

Took several tests at once to maximize accuracy, got INTP on the first but INFP on some of the others, did some reading/sorting which made me conclude that I am most definitely a T.

In hindsight, I believe it resulted from a mix of being a Ne sbtype and 5w4, with the tritype most likely to be misindentified as a bit more on the ish side, so it all makes sense.  

[atimelyflipper]

Very very first one, I got infj, but then infp pretty much every time after that 😛

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Got INTJ first and repeatedly, and I think I got ESTJ once. I’m an ISTJ with pretty heavy Te use (I should also point out that I first took the test at age 18 or 19)

[enfpnonsense]

I got INFP the very first time I took the test, and currently I’m typing as an ENFP but I typed as an INTP and an ENTP before this – starting to think I might use Ti after all (maybe even in the dominant position but idk), so I’m still not sure aside from almost definitely having high Ne.

[angryscienceshitposters]

Got INFP first, then ISFP, then INTP, then INTJ, then ISTP, then ENTP and I stuck with that for a long time. Then my friends helped me realize I’m an ESTP by suggesting it. At first I thought they were on crack but then I started to see their point.

I also believed I was a 4w5 for a long time (very common mistype of 7w6, especially sx 7w6) and I have anxiety so naturally I doubted that I was an extrovert: much less, an extroverted thinker. I fit the stereotypes of xSFP way better than xSTP but when you go back to cognitive functions there is 0 Fi in me lmao. But tbh I wouldn’t be shocked if I’m ISTP.

[dynestj]

Started out typed as an ENFP, ended up actually being ESTJ. In between it was (in order): ISFP, ENTP, ENTJ. I think it was because I saw more Ne in myself than anything else, because the Ne description was always vague enough to fit that “gifted kid” stereotype.

[nicetrytopredictme-deactivated2]

I started out getting INTP as result, then INFP. Then, ISTP. Since I believe I’m rather logical person, I was stuck between INTP or ISTP. @funkymbtifiction helped me determining my type, ISTP.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

16 yo: ENTJ 9 (dichotomy) due to my 'imaginative' and visionary thinking. I could correlate a poodle with a bear, or an image of a person.

(Still) 16 yo, roughly 4 mo afterward: ESTJ (dichotomy), after a painful break up with my ex. I suddenly shutted down my visionary thinking, rather hopeless, and very grounded. My E preference is due to my friend's testimony, because I always look friendly and open to people and I felt that too. Also I was thinking that being I is bad, so I swayed my answers to be an E. (The questions were too easy to decipher lel.)

17 yo: ISTJ (dichotomy). I realized that I am not actually that extrovert and I love being alone. Also I started to interact with introverts and they are cool and I started to erase my previous impressions towards I.

18 yo: xSxJ (dichotomy). I was an emotional person, very sensitive to criticism actually. I felt guilty easily. I was very cautious in hurting somebody's feeling and had a hard time in rejecting people. This year I was confused with my type.

18 yo (mid): ISTJ 6 (function based and enneagram support) I knew that enneagram 6 was prone to mistyped to E/I and T/F due to its lability. So I claimed myself as an ISTJ. I used my Si heavily and haven't developed my Ne well that time.

20 yo (now): ISTJ 6w5 9w1 3w4 sp/so. I declared this as I'm starting to study more about enneagram and socionics. This explains everything about me.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

Ask Me Anything

I'm so bored rn so ask me anything! Something like, "Based on ISTJ sterotypes, ISTJs are...." And I will answer with true or myth (based on myself and my experience of course). You may ask any types!

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

How Ti Works: Part 3 (Ti in Functional Stacking)

How Ti in Dominant Stack Works

(INTP, ISTP)

Although they have a dominant judging function, they can't judge something without any source. So they will access their Ne/Se first. But they prefer to judge it, not to perceive it further. So after they get a sufficient amount of information, they will analyze them first until they need another source. 

So, the priority is to judge, not to perceive.

How Ti in Auxiliary Stack Works

(ENTP, ESTP)

Their main goal is to perceive as much as they can and using their logic as their basis of judgment (determining which one is the most logical one to pursue.) They collect as many information as they can gather then analyzing it. Because of Ti's internal process, what we see is that they are so shallow and annoying as they want to try everything out, without noticing what's going on within. ENTP's goal is to create an improved world logically and morally (Ti-Fe) while ESTP's goal is to exploring the world logically.

Compared to the Ti-doms, they are 'wilder' in behavior due to their perceiving function dominance. Ti acts as a filter to the perceiving functions. If they don't develop their Ti, their act of perceiving will be nothing since there's no information processing function into play. They can't decide what's essential and what's not so that they tend to annoy other (combined with tertiary Fe). This is also what people call 'shallow' (no offense, people).

How Ti in Tertiary Stack Works

(ISFJ, INFJ)

It works as a buffer to their auxiliary Fe. It is a fallback function. After they know what people wants, they will ask themselves, "Did I do something wrong? What is the most logical way to solve this?" They should know that not all people has the same ulterior motives within a single observable behavior. They should determine which one will do more harm to themselves.

Moreover, Ti helps Si/Ni-Fe to build a constructive way of thinking. It sharpens the view about other people and how the society works in general. This can help them to care people more and preventing wishy-washy trait.

In the loop, they will overanalyze things (usually their previous experience/visions) without really getting a conclusion of it. They will bury themselves into their own heads while shutting down their ‘heat vent’.

How Ti in Inferior Stack Works

(ESFJ, ENFJ)

Ti to them, due to inferior function, is considered harsh and cold, contrary to the Fe counterparts. They don't realize that they sometimes have to be rather selfish in order to preserve themselves. Ti will give a consideration about why shouldn't they do a thing based on cost and benefit—what's the most beneficial for others and logical thing to do (decision making function). It gives a valuable lesson for Fe to improve their care toward others without neglecting themselves.

In the grip, they will keep saying “Why?” without knowing the answers. The more they ask, the more they blame themselves for being wrong. My mom (ESFJ) often does that whenever she’s in stress. She’ll keep saying, “What did I do wrong? Is my care a fault? Should I care for him? Why does he do that to me? Why is there a person like him in this world? Why?” and get stressed. (Sadly, she can’t stop her care for that person and she repeats this mistake.)

Abbreviations and Quick Review:

Ti (Introverted Thinking): Analyze each pieces of something into a thinking framework consists of logic.

Ne (Extroverted Intuition): Expanding possibilities of something.

Ni (Introverted Intuition): Seeing meanings through things; gaining a single vision/having ‘gut feelings’.

Se (Extroverted Sensing): Exploring the world for more sensory experiences.

Si (Introverted Sensing): Storing subjective sensory impressions.

Fe (Extroverted Feeling): Strong sense of others’ feelings and try their best to cater them.

Related posts:

How Ti Works: Part 1 (Basic Mechanism and What Differs)

How Ti Works: Part 2 (The Whys)

How Ti Works: Part 3 (Ti in Functional Stacking)

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

How Ti Works: Part 2 (The Whys)

Ti and “I guess it’s clear enough”-phrase

Ti’s whole process is so internal as they like to keep their mind to themselves because they know that they think differently from others. They think quick. They are usually having a hard time to explain their thoughts and merely state their conclusions. Also, they build a pattern that are unbeknownst to other but it’s obvious to them. Well, basically, all this long paragraph leads to how intraverted (judging) function works.

Ti and Science Geek Stereotype

Ti’s basic goal is to make sense of the world. This goal resembles the goal of science, therefore they are called science geek as their preference in science is so apparent. They also study things in detail, therefore it answers the “geek”.

Ti and Noticing the Logical Fallacies

This is obvious enough I guess. Ti users breakdown all things into pieces and analyze each part, so they will eventually find out the fallacies of something.

(In Ti’s brain: A + B = C, and then in a certain occasion A + B = D. They won’t blatantly rejects the logic, but they will find why it may be wrong or vice versa. When they know it’s possibly right, they will soon compute them into their framework; or else completely reject it.)

Therefore, they are an excellent troubleshooter. Because they instantly know what’s wrong and they will think of the logical way to fix something.

Ti and Condescending Trait

Same with other intraverted functions, Ti may hard to put their thoughts into words (supported by the fact that their perceiving functions are also scattered and fast-paced). They have the tendency to hide their thinking either (on one side, the process is also internal so the they don’t intentionally hide it but it’s hidden). They may already think of something ahead of others. And it also an intraverted function trait that they apt to resent all other things outside themselves (including their logic, feelings, impressions, etc) so they apt to condescend their way if thinking and simply thinks that the others are wrong (and stupid because brain = intelligence). It’s annoying (at least for me) because they don’t state what’s wrong but they immediately judge other people as stupid.

“How come a person like you doesn’t think of this important thing??? I’ve thought of that since billion years ago and in this age he doesn’t even get a hint?? Hmph.”

[Note: Not all Ti users do this.]

INTP and Laziness & ISTP and ‘The Mechanics’

Well, it’s obvious that Se and Ne works differently. Due to their preference in bodily sensation, Se has to act to get (perceive) something. To Ne users, thinking of something is enough (it apparently fun enough for them). If there is something “real” they have to pursue, is by accessing their Si, and of course the process is also internal. Therefore the whole process of INTP is so internal that they will be seen as ‘doing nothing’ in real life. They think that they already do something…..in their minds (“…and let’s change to another topic as I get bored of this topic bye.”).

Se will go pursue something until they actually see/feel/hear/etc them. They also perceive thing as it is in the finest detail, and they broke them apart in their head. It’s like breaking down a real machine in a brain.

Abbreviations and Quick Review:

Ti (Introverted Thinking): Analyze each pieces of something into a thinking framework consists of logic.

Ne (Extroverted Intuition): Expanding possibilities of something.

Se (Extroverted Sensing): Exploring the world for more sensory experiences.

Te (Extroverted Thinking): Try to make the world make sense by organizing them.

Fi (Introverted Feeling): Internalize the feeling of something; building an individual moral value.

Related posts:

How Ti Works: Part 1 (Basic Mechanism and What Differs)

How Ti Works: Part 2 (The Whys)

How Ti Works: Part 3 (Ti in Functional Stacking)

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

How Ti Works: Part 1 (Basic Mechanism and What Differs)

Ti is often called a machine due to their way of thinking. They literally compute things into numbers and stuffs for God's sake. Is that true? How does it really work?

Basic Mechanism

Ti users breakdown something they perceive from their Se (bare observation of a thing) and Ne (abstraction of a thing) --> Building logic by comparing them with previous knowledge or predicting obvious consequence of something --> Making patterns out of the logic --> Thinking/logic framework (changes all the time) --> General pattern of how the world works

The Elaboration (!)

They breakdown something they perceive from their Se and Ne. Yes, they break all of them down and analyze each part of them. They will dig deeper until they find the root (or essence) of it. They analyze it by asking themselves (sometimes they ask other people and people may find annoying lol especially their parents) "Why??". 

They build logic by comparing them with previous knowledge or predicting obvious consequence of something. While analyzing things, they will make logic out of them. 

For example:

They see a knife on the table.

Ti-Se/Se-Ti will analyze each observable part of the knife in their minds and realize that the edge of the knife is sharp. They will eventually think about a cut in a body. Cut will cause bleeding. Cut will also cause hurt. [Look at the bodily sensation focus here!!] So, knife is dangerous because it will cause pain, so they won't approach them or use them carefully.

Ti-Ne/Ne-Ti will imagine the possibilities generated from a single knife. The knife maybe this and that, and...oh I have read/known that theoretically sharp objects are dangerous, knife is also a sharp object, so I guess knife is also dangerous.

And then both of them ask themselves, "What's so dangerous about a knife??"

Ti-Se/Se-Ti will answer, "Well, duh, the knife can cut a fruit into two, it can do the same to your body as well."

Ti-Ne/Ne-Ti will answer, "Think of it. The knife can go A, B, C, look it's dangerous!"

Look at the difference between Se/Ne. Both of them got the same conclusion but in different way. Se will imagine the obvious consequence of the thing. They relate it to their own body; something they can see, hear, touch, taste, etc. Ne will imagine the possible consequence of the thing based on their abstraction of the thing.

They also weigh the significance of something. They think about the pros and cons of something in order to decide which one is the most logical.

They will make patterns out of logic. Corresponding to diagram venn model I have mentioned before, Ti users also do this. They determine which part is most correlated each other by combining their logic into one system.

They will have a thinking framework. From numerous logical patterns they have made, they compute them all into a thinking system. But, due to an intraverted function, this framework/system is ever changing due to new informations that may change their built system. (Yes, you may think of it like an updated OS or whatever—see how they compute everything inside of them!) Therefore, they tend to think grey, because everything is open-ended. ("Everything is relative, thus you can't pick one to be your line"—the most thing I heard from my Ti-dom friends.)

Eventually, their framework can be the source of their own interpretation of how the world works in general. (I heard INTP tend to find the so-called 'universal truth', I don't know whether it applies to other people, but theoretically yes, I guess. And further note, ISTP doesn't have the same goal.)

What Differs...

Ti and Te: Ti tries to understand the world by analyzing them while Te organize the world to make them their way. As we know, Ti as an intraverted judging function will have an extraverted perceiving function as a partner (their observation is real and objective). They only take in what they have observed/extracted, and then processing them just to make it all make sense to them.

While Te will have an intraverted perceiving as a partner (their observation is based on their IMPRESSIONS about the thing they perceive), so the impressions are the real thing to them. To make it real, they have to manage the world in their way. Note here that Ti doesn't change the world, while Te makes a change to the world.

Ti and Fi: They work the same way in general.... But Fi builds moral instead of logic. They build their moral by feeling something. They see something, and they feel parts of them and see whether it fits to their built moral values. Their parameter is good (they like the feeling of it)/bad (they don't like the feeling of it), whereas Ti's parameter is logic/illogical. Both are so subjective.

Abbreviations and Quick Review:

Ti (Introverted Thinking): Analyze each pieces of something into a thinking framework consists of logic.

Ne (Extroverted Intuition): Expanding possibilities of something.

Se (Extroverted Sensing): Exploring the world for more sensory experiences.

Te (Extroverted Thinking): Try to make the world make sense by organizing them.

Fi (Introverted Feeling): Internalize the feeling of something; building an individual moral value.

Related posts:

How Ti Works: Part 1 (Basic Mechanism and What Differs)

How Ti Works: Part 2 (The Whys)

How Ti Works: Part 3 (Ti in Functional Stacking)

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[anotherquirkypie-blog]

So gracious so detail it makes me happy.

I'm not sure about my type health tho. Is it possible if I'm between level 3-4? Hahahaha

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

I saw your Ni posts; you did a very good job with them too. I was just wondering if you knew anything about Inferior Se and how it works?

Thank you very much! I'll do the rest of the functions as soon as I know the basic mechanism of them all.I can only give you examples this time, since I haven't dig Se deeper. (If I have written anything about it, I'll let you know!) My INTJ friend and my INFJ bro are kind of reality shock. I've mentioned that Ni-doms rarely do a reality check of their visions, so whenever they face the reality, they usually depressed. I think this is where Se plays: Reality check. As soon as they get in touch with their Se, they will know what's real and what's not, as Ni-doms are having their heads in the cloud.My ISTP friend called my INTJ friend as naive, because my INTJ friend has a dark thoughts due to his bitterness towards reality (and not eager to find put more in order to manage his visions). I also asked, "What part of the world have you seen in your life? I don't know why you're thinking like that when you haven't even explore them." The funniest part is when my INTJ friend said that he was just being realistic. Me and my ISTP friend mocked him as in....."You know nothing, son."My INTJ friend uses his Se to hurt his body to express his anger. I saw a hole in his apartment wall once. The nearest access to vent his anger is his body.He also tries his best to be the best of all so that he get all the recognition and affirmation (Ni-Te), but he doesn't know that there is no such kind as "being the best of the world", and keeping that thought will hurt him someday.My INFJ bro has a romantic vision about people relationship, and he's actually sweet when you get to know him deeper, but with the same naiveness. He tend to be self-righteous about his visions and idealisms, and he force his idealism to fit into the world—but it just doesn't fit and he is sad about it (and blames the world for not being good). He doesn't know how the world works and the fact that he cannot force his idealism just like that. He deals with the world with his (underdeveloped) Ti now due to rejection.To conclude—when you don't know a thing, you usually resent it. Every inferior functions, if they're underdeveloped, are used that way. Inherently, inferior functions are there to support/buffer the dominant function. If Ni creates idealisms, Se supports the reality check and observable facts. Together they can improve the world realistically.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

Hey there! I just saw your Si posts and I love how in depth they are; you did a very good job in describing how the function works. I was wondering if you could do something similar for Ni? If not, I totally understand, with it being at the very bottom of your function stack (did that sound passive aggressive? Didn't mean to be if it did, sorry).

Hello there!! Thank you very much:'D You make me very happy!I have described Ni in this post:http://anotherquirkypie.tumblr.com/post/140334690740/how-ni-works-part-1-elaboration(P.s. There are 5 parts of them, the links are in the end of every post.)Ni was once a mystery to me.. So I did it first before I explained my own Si. Hope it helps!

[nicetrytopredictme-deactivated2]

Music-related MBTI Survey

Seeing a post from @entp-guy, it gives me an idea to make a music-related, MBTI study. I want you guys to explain what kind of genres that you like, explain why do you like them and what do you feel and experience when you listen to them (connect them to cognitive functions). I want to know how music interacts with cognitive functions.

Please, share this by reblogging or tagging people.

Tagging: @neon-lake, @artblog-of-intp, @mbtiguy, @emokinskywanker, @istperson, @introgalactic-istj, @naughty-nanny, @isfjwallflower, @fiweakspot, @mbtiandothersuchthings

[istp-guy-deactivated20161025]

I’m going to reblog this with the post I wrote:

Why do I love Future Bass?

Because it reminds me so much of Ne.

The focus on the chords, the wubs and the water drops just itself fuels me with enjoyment. It might sound like self promotion that I find it reminds me of ENTP, but it really does. The way you communicate with the mastering, mixing. The bass and the chords working together to make this neutral flow fueling the entire process of the song. The drop itself reminds me of people just fucking around, dancing and jumping on the beach while swimming together, while fucking lights of tripiness in the background starts and just makes everyone happy. The way the drums work together to make this atmospheric sound come forth, the sidechaining as well.

And again; let me finish this off with a gif of Flume, the future bass god dad I look up to.

@in-tj @peruvian-cat-shit @emokinskywanker @small-shell @intj-conversations

@angryinfp @ichijikanme

[angryscienceshitposters]

Okay, I was tagged on my main blog so I’m gonna do it here. Note I have very limited knowledge about how music is made, and I don’t make it myself, so there’ll be no technical talk about chords and shit, just how it makes me feel.

SO, I LIKE DUBSTEP

When I listen to it I feel energized. If you’re feeling anger, or excitement, or inexplicable nerves, or another high-energy feeling, it will take it and multiply the intensity by 1000, like putting a match to a pool of gasoline. It lets you indulge, it makes you want to do something. It’s angry and demanding and powerful and pulls you straight into the moment; you anticipate the drop and literally feel it. You could be sitting completely idle at your desk and still feel some adrenaline when the bass drops. I listen to it when I game and it intensifies everything, it makes me feel one with the game because it syncs so well with the aggression. It makes me want to get up and go, kill shit, run around, win, etc. That’s how it relates to Se. 

I tag @thenameskas @defeatthepeace @reehiku @dead-nymphet @mbtiguy @estpthoughts @enneatype @iamawere

[farmgorl]

i feel so pressured to write something good and i also listen to a whole mishmash of genres…. ive also been flip-flopping between which genres when it comes to deciding which one i want to discuss but ill just go with the one (combination) thats the most fun (to me)

synthpop / electronic

this would include artists such as chvrches, purity ring, charli xcx (true romance mainly), sohodolls, grimes, etc.

when i listen to music, i like for it to first of all appeal to se (it has to flow somewhat and not sound choppy….??¿ yeah i have no idea how to technically describe music so lmao but it just has to not grate my ears). i love it when im able to merge and to sort of feel like im one with it, if that makes sense. then, i really like it when im able to really HEAR every part that makes up a song and kind of separate it and note how each small detail contributes to the overall harmony and atmosphere, which would probably include ti. all of that i more-or-less end up doing automatically. BUT i especially love using fe and ni when listening to music. se and ni work to create a sort of atmosphere…. ive seen another se-ni user mention picturing themselves in a music video and thats exactly what i do most of the time when i listen to music. it appeals to fe for obvious reasons; music is a good way to release or deal with emotions in a healthy way and i really enjoy empathizing in a way with the singer and imagining that i feel the same way and all that. this is really crappy so far im sorry

now, the reason i really enjoy this specific genre is that it sounds very…. aesthetically appealing. i probably have some sort of synesthesia so idk if the rest will sound ??? or not but a lot of synthpop to me sounds very sparkly/glittery and the specific color scheme varies by song or musician, but altogether its a very aesthetically pleasing experience. it makes me feel excited or ready to party or some other feeling that i cant really describe well but its good. the whole aesthetic (for example, “the mother we share” by chvrches has a very glittery light pink vibe to me but “science/visions” has a more red, green, metallic silver kind of feel) affects the way i picture and feel about the “"music video”“ aaand. yeah im not sure how else to elaborate on that.

but there it is ! i might have repeated myself too much and sorry for not being more technical or anything, i like listening to music more than making it (unless its songwriting). ok ill leave it at that and thanks for tagging me @angrymbti / @emokinskywanker (not sure where you’ll see it) !

im tagging @anotherquirkypie @dethnira @galactic-chestnut @hannaheadfish-things @clairetheistp @mbticute @bbyisfp @obsessedmbtikid (and anyone else who hasnt done it) but if youve already done it before just ignore this

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

Thank you @enneatype for tagging me! I’m very excited to do this! To make things short, I love Funk and R&B!! I love musicians such as George Duke, EW&F, Stevie Wonder, Heatwave, 1980’s George Benson, and many more! They groove me, I really like the complexity of the music while the rhythm moves everybody from their seats. Well, generally, I love old songs. I have my ears in the past. I think this is clear; this is due to my Si hahahaha. I love my parent’s old song, love songs sung by Whitney Houston, Westlife, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Boyzone, Blue, etc. they are my all time favorite—I guess the genre is pop? I also like quiet storms. I don’t like the cheesy pop that doesn’t have any complexities. Does it correlate with my Fi? Anybody knows? I also hear some new songs and I glad to hear Coldplay’s newest single has disco element in it. I’m tagging everyone who hasn’t done this!! This is fun!

[stonersweater]

If you want to learn more about Synesthesia: A link to the basics: https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html A link to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia A link to more: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-synesthesia/

Synesthesia is basically when one sense is associated with another, such as hearing and color. Perhaps if you hear a sound, it sounds like green. Or maybe the word football tastes like spaghetti. Or the letter L is red. Or, like me, time has a certain place around you, like January is on the left and July on the right. It’s not a burden, but it isn’t regular either!

Recently, @enlightenedsilhouette has brought to my attention that synesthesia could be related to enneagram. Then, I mentioned it to @enneatype who thought that maybe it was related to MBTI. So, we are here to find out! Please answer and reblog! It would really help out!

[naughty-nanny]

I’m interested in any correlation that comes from this. I have synesthesia and have always wondered if it was Ne correlated.

ENFP 7w8 784 sx/so with auditory-tactile synesthesia (Which means I feel sounds).

Please feel free to ask me any questions and I’d love to help however I can.

[anotherquirkypie-blog]

I have synesthesia since I was a kid!

ISTJ 6w5 369 sp/so, I don't know what it is called tho... I always correlate zodiacs and numbers with colors. For example I remember 7 as violet, 1 as red, capricorn as brown, and gemini as magenta.