going to get #canceled but. I do think that objectively the whole insistence on Celeborn being a pathetic useless betacuck is a big disservice to Galadriel's character as whole btw. Because a) that's NOT what Tolkien intended for them first and foremost (elaborating later) and b) wow are you implying that no man would dare to enter in a marriage with a powerful woman unless he's a complete ameba, because else he would want to "tame" her. Of course she's such a shrew, instead of ~mindful and demure~ that no guy with self respect would marry her. Congrats for having worse ideas on marriage than a book written in the 1950s i guess
Now, what i think about JRRT's intentions here. Of course you do not need to be a norse sagas expert to like lotr, of course, but that's the whole material from which jrrt took his own inspiration. I've mentioned on the tags on a post (i'll later edit my own so to put the link on It) that "giver of gifts beyond the power of kings" , which Celeborn gets called by Galadriel, sounds like a Beowulf reference, and it's probably meant to be a call back to such a context. He also gets called the wise, still by Galadriel, and he is the one who welcomes the Fellowship of the Ring when they arrive to Lothlorien & that has the specific function to present himself as the ruler of such Kingdom, a noble and wise lord that won't be out of Place in an ancient saga.
And that's the matter, btw. Because for how much Celeborn can be wise & give advice and gifts to the Fellowship, the whole subversion is that well, Galadriel Is WISER. Her gifts and advice are much more remarkable (the gift of her hair!) and she's the one whose words have the deepest effect in the companions. Even their introduction Is a little subversion per sé, since Celeborn is the one who starts talking & greeting the Fellowship, Galadriel initially stays silent and doesn't talk. Once She does, however, it's immediately obvious that she's an extremely remarkable woman and that she's far from being a simple queen consort.
Now then, the subversion is "wise and noble lord -> the apparent queen consort is much wiser and has a deeper look than him". I don't really think that the subversion would work THAT well if Celeborn was a complete idiot with 0 reason to stay here. I mean, which kind of subversion is supposed to be if the matter is that none respects Celeborn (whereas the Fellowship follows his advice to not go near to Fangorn, and they go there only because there's not other choice) because It can be seen at the first glance that he doesn't matter shit? We also forget that's a patriarchial world both in and out of universe, and that Galadriel gets often accused of practicing sorcery from the Rohirrim (both from despicable people like Grima and from good heroic characters like Eomer) , so the whole point is to prove that no, she's actually good and competent at her job! And she's good and competent MORE than her husband. Would It really have the same effect if Celeborn was a complete pathetic idiot ? Wow she's competent just because her husband Is idiotic. Groundbreaking! Because if her husband was truly competent, his wife couldn't be more competent than him, right? Because women can't be more competent than men, as a rule, right ? It's how it works in real life, right? Because if a woman has a proper competent husband, she would know that she's to stay a step behind him, right????
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