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hey do you guys remember when homophobes were like "umm homophobia doesn't exist i'm not AFRAID of gay people!!" and we had to explain that no that's not how latin roots work or what the word is used for. remember how annoying that was

genderkoolaid

The health and well-being of trans people in Australia

Although participants were offered and selected a wide range of gender identities, for the purpose of analysis respondents were categorised into five broad gender categories. Two fifths (43.5%; n = 2,948) of participants were categorised as cisgender women, 34.3% (n = 2,328) as cisgender men, 4.2% (n = 285) as trans women, 4.4% (n = 300) as trans men and 13.6% (n = 921) as non-binary. The PL3 survey was completed by 1,506 trans and gender diverse participants, more than five times the number of trans and gender diverse participants in PL2 (n = 285).

Trans and gender diverse participants reported higher rates of ever experiencing homelessness than cisgender participants. More than one third (34.3%; n = 103) of trans men, 33.8% (n = 311) of non-binary participants and (31.9%; n = 91) of trans women reported ever experiencing homelessness compared to 19.8% (n = 584) of cisgender women and 16.8% (n = 391) of cisgender men.

Two fifths (40.0%; n = 926) of cisgender men rated their health as very good or excellent compared to three in ten cisgender women (29.3%; n = 858), one quarter of trans women (26.3%; n = 75) and one fifth of trans men (19.8%; n = 59) and non-binary participants (20.1%; n = 184). [...] A greater proportion of non-binary (AFAB) participants (47.0%; n = 317) reported poor or fair health compared to non-binary (AMAB) participants (35.7%; n = 70). Similarly, a smaller proportion of non-binary (AFAB) participants (18.7%; n = 126) reported very good or excellent health compared to non-binary (AMAB) participants (26.0%; n = 51). [...] A greater proportion of trans men (42.2.%; n = 126) reported poor or fair health compared to trans women (34.7%; n = 99). Similarly, a smaller proportion of trans men (19.8%; n = 59) reported very good or excellent health compared to trans women (26.3%; n = 75).

When analysed by gender, almost three quarters (75.8%; n = 222) of trans men, 65.6% (n = 185) of trans women and 74.9% (n = 674) of non-binary participants reported experiencing high or very high levels of psychological distress. This compared to 59.4% (n = 1,708) of cisgender women and 43.7% (n = 993) of cisgender men. [...] Over three quarters (76.6%; n = 509) of non-binary (AFAB) participants reported high or very high levels of psychological distress compared to 69.3% (n = 133) of non-binary (AMAB) participants. [...] Over three quarters (75.8%; n = 222) of trans men reported high or very high levels of psychological distress compared to 65.6% (n = 185) of trans women.

Six in ten (61.2%; n = 183) trans men, 58.3% (n = 165) of trans women and 61.4% (n = 562) of non-binary participants reported having seriously considered attempting suicide in the past 12 months compared to four in ten (39.8%; n = 1,168) cisgender women and 31.9% (n = 740) of cisgender men. Nine in ten (90.6%; n = 271) trans men, 86.2% (n = 244) of trans women and 89.9% (n = 823) of non-binary participants reported having ever seriously considered attempting suicide compared to 75.6% (n = 2,218) of cisgender women and 64.2% (n = 1,488) of cisgender men. One in seven (13.7%; n = 36) trans men, 10.9% (n = 27) of trans women and 6.8% (n = 54) of non-binary participants reported having attempted suicide in the past 12 months compared to 4.2% (n = 76) of cisgender women and 3.3% (n = 56) of cisgender men. Over half (52.9%; n = 139) of trans men, 45.6% (n = 113) of trans women and 40.2% (n = 318) of non-binary participants reported having ever attempted suicide compared to 28.2% (n = 636) of cisgender women and 22.3% (n = 380) of cisgender men. [...] Overall, non-binary (AMAB) and non-binary (AFAB) participants showed similar patterns with regard to suicidal ideation, with just over 60% reporting thoughts about suicide in the past 12 months. Four in ten (42.1%; n = 249) non-binary (AFAB) participants reported having ever attempted suicide compared to one third (32.9%; n = 53) of non-binary (AMAB) participants. [...] More than nine in ten trans men (90.6%; n = 271) and 86.2% (n = 244) of trans women reported ever having thoughts about suicide. Approximately six in ten (61.2%; n = 183) trans men and 58.3% (n = 165) of trans women reported having thoughts about suicide in the past 12 months. Both trans women and trans men reported very high levels of suicide attempts, with more than half (52.9%; n = 139) of trans men and 45.6% (n = 113) of trans women reported having ever attempted suicide.

Experiences of physical violence from an intimate partner ranged from 21.3% (n = 432) among cisgender men to 28.5% (n = 243) among non-binary participants. More than half (52.0%; n = 443) of non-binary participants had experienced verbal harassment from an intimate partner, followed by 45.9% (n = 122) of trans men, 43.2% (n = 1,154) of cisgender women, 41.9% (n = 108) of trans women and 36.6% (n = 740) of cisgender men. More than three in ten non-binary (35.6%; n = 303) participants and trans men (30.5%; n = 81) had experienced sexual violence from an intimate partner, compared to 24.5% (n = 654) of cisgender women, 17.4% (n = 45) of trans women and 11.2% (n = 227) of cisgender men.

Almost four in ten (39.0%; n = 336) non-binary participants reported ever experiencing physical violence from a family member, followed by three in ten (30.9%; n = 89) trans men, one quarter (24.7%; n = 667) of cisgender women, one fifth (19.6%; n = 52) of trans women and 16.4% (n = 667) of cisgender men. Verbal abuse from a family member was experienced by almost six in ten (59.7%; n = 172) trans men and non-binary participants (58.1%; n = 501), four in ten trans women (42.5%; n = 113) and cisgender women (41.6%; n = 1,124) and three in ten (31.2%; n = 632) cisgender men. Sexual assault from a family member was experienced by three times as many non-binary participants (15.0%; n = 129) and trans men (14.6%; n = 42) compared to cisgender men (4.6%; n = 94).

More than one in ten (13.4%; n = 123) non-binary participants experienced sexual assault in the past 12 months, followed by 9.1% (n = 267) of cisgender women, 7.5% (n = 174) of cisgender men, 7.4% (n = 21) of trans women and 6.4% (n = 19) of trans men. More than six in ten (64.3%; n = 123) non-binary participants had ever experienced sexual assault compared to more than five in ten cisgender women (54.5%; n = 1,604) and trans men (54.9%; n = 164), 41.8% (n = 119) of trans women and 34.7% (806) of cisgender men.

Seven in ten (70.8%; n = 155) trans women agreed or strongly agreed that ‘My sexual and romantic partners have affirmed my gender in ways that support me’, followed by 67.7% (n = 159) of trans men and 63.5% (n = 403) of non-binary participants. Four in ten trans women (43.2%; n = 111) and trans men (40.9%; n = 106) agreed or strongly agreed that ‘My local community has affirmed my gender in ways that support me’ compared to three in ten (29.7%; n = 201) non-binary participants. Nine in ten trans men (92.8%; n = 270) and trans women (90.7%; n = 253) agreed or strongly agreed that ‘Having my gender identity affirmed by others (i.e., socially) has been a high priority for me’, followed by seven in ten (71.5%; n = 539) non-binary participants.

A higher proportion of trans men (83.1%; n = 236) agreed or strongly agreed that ‘Gender affirming surgery has been a high priority for me’ compared to trans women (61.4%; n = 164) and non-binary participants (31.6%; n = 184). More than twice as many trans men (94.5%; n = 277) and trans women (95.7%; n = 267) agreed or strongly agreed that ‘Gender affirming hormonal therapy has been a high priority for me’ than non-binary participants (41.5%; n = 246). Almost twice the proportion of trans men (49.5%; n = 142) and trans women (49.5%; n = 136) agreed or strongly agreed with the statement ‘I have been easily able to access gender affirming care when I have needed to’ than non-binary participants (25.8%; n = 154).

A higher proportion of trans women (80.4%; n = 226) reported ever experiencing gender euphoria than trans men (72.9%; n = 212) or non-binary (63.3%; n = 489) participants. One in three (27.8%; n = 81) trans men, about one third (33.1%; n = 93) of trans women and 14.9% (n = 115) of non-binary participants reported currently experiencing gender euphoria.

from "Private Lives 3: The health and wellbeing of LGBTIQ people in Australia" (2020) by Adam Hill, Adam Bourne, Ruth McNair, Marina Carman, and Anthony Lyons of La Trobe University

(Note: this is not an exhaustive list of all the findings of this study; there is an image limit on Tumblr and this was also going to be long enough. While the samples for trans people in this study are smaller than much larger dedicated studies like the USTS, these findings are still valuable; Private Lives is the largest national survey of the health and well-being of LGBTIQ people in Australia. There is also a whole section on intersex people. I recommend people go check out the full study themselves).

spaceheatertrash

I don’t mean to derail, but this is something that’s always bugged me. It’s really upsetting to see how low quality if life is for fellow nonbinary people, for it to be visible across several studies, and then have to watch both allies and our trans brothers and sisters downplay it time and again. I’m not putting the blame on anyone specifically, it’s just something I’ve experienced constantly online and in real life, and more people need to be aware that it’s happening.

genderkoolaid

Not derailing at all! This is a totally valid and real issue to bring up.

Nonbinary people, across various studies I've seen, are a vulnerable group and in many cases are more vulnerable in certain areas than binary trans people. Yet this is rarely ever brought up; nonbinary people just slip out of people's consciousnesses, or are lazily grouped into "transfeminine" and "transmasculine" when those groupings can erase the impact of being outside the binary.

Here's a link to a site discussing the article ( article https://multco.us/news/transgender-nonbinary-people-often-misgendered-death-certificates-first-kind-study-finds ) while it only cites 47 people, they're in a specific region (portland oregon and the surrounding area) over the last decade.

so the small sample size is due to specificity, it's the deceased transgender population over the course of a decade in what should be a trans friendly city. they could do national and global tests, but for the purpose of identifying the core issue, these are the most favorable conditions they could be under- you can imagine in more transphobic regions the numbers would be worse.

also of note: there were less deaths for transgender men over the last decade there, and they had a higher ratio of being properly gendered.

47 people from one specific area is not a significant study size. in a city like Portland which you say is trans friendly over the course of a decade there should absolutely be a much bigger data pool than like 60 people. Despite that the "core issue" identified is that "transgender and nonbinary people" are misgendered a lot when they die and something needs to be done about that, but trying to use this study for any hard numbers as to Who Is More Misgendered is foolish

#also of note: dead trans men were underrepresented in this study #that isn't a “gotcha” nonny that's an actual issue. i don't think trans men are just Not Dying In Portland i think we're being ignored #and erased after we die #or it could be a statistical anomaly because it's 50 people in portland oregon ??#especially since (from what's written in the article) the study seems to be basically #how often does what people look like and what pronouns are used in their obituary match #where the obituary is always considered misgendering if it doesn't #which imo is not the best way to judge how often misgendering actually happens #so the study actually said “more people who look female were he/himmed”

tma/tme is either sex based or isn't a "personal label" in the way most people use it and that's ok but you can't eat your cake and have it too etc

#are you directly affected by bigotry against ppl who were raised male #and/or had androgenizing puberty and are transgender #i see a lot of ppl shit on tma tme but i do think asking is an important thing to ask in discussions about transphobia #esp transmisogyny #but like it is pretty dependent on your primary and secondary sex characteristics and how you were raised #someone raised female with estrogenizing puberty who is nonbinary will probably not be affected by #anti transfeminine bigotry (transmisogyny)#nearly as much as someone who wasn't raised female and/or had androgenizing puberty who is nonbinary #so we call them tme and tma as a shorthand

enba-and-luka

b-side-takes

of course a sample size of 80 is indicative of the whole world!! that's so interesting btw where is this study from and who conducted it and where and with what data and how was the data refined and what and who determines "trans woman" and "trans man"

#i dont deny this is a horrific problem but legitimately fuck yall for using studies that have blatant glaring issues (80 sample size)#to tell transmascs we Aren't As Oppressed

listen i can't believe ive gotta say this but don't make blogs specifically dedicated to anonymously talking shit about transfems that's not. good actually

#this is about go.osewor.x and also the fuckass “let's talk about transfems raping normal people” like what????#i think transfems and/or TMA ppl should be allowed to shoot people with guns

b-side-takes

i feel the need to reiterate this

the study that concluded trans women on average make less than trans men only took into account full-time jobs, meaning it ignored data from trans people in part time jobs. trans men are more than *twice* as likely as trans women to have part-time jobs, which basically by definition pay less than full-time jobs. from this study (sample size 27,000+ usamerican transgender people) which does include part-time jobs, trans men [in the united states on average] make about 30% less than trans women, which is a PRETTY BIG NUMBER to fuck up on a reporting decision don'tcha think

cheerfulomelette

Peer reviewed tags:

data from larger studies consistently show trans women make more than trans men on average which doesn't have to mean anything no one has to have male privilege that's just being so locked in cisnormative thinking you can't imagine anything else “which one has male privilege?” it's like asking a lesbian couple which one is the man

b-side-takes

you (and prev) are both entirely correct, the main point of this post is to debunk those fuckass posts about how trans men "Aren't seen as faggots in the eyes of the state" because one study with whack data collection says we make 10 cents more, not to say that transfems have secret evil male privilege (because they don't)

#the breakdown is actually really helpful because it shows that femininity (trans women transitioning earlier and trans men #transitioning later) is punished as is gender nonconformity and not passing #whereas correct masculinity (cis passing) is rewarded

might have a tiny bit of breast cancer but who knows

#if i do hopefully i can just have em chop both of them off #idk if that's realistic tho

tma/tme on their own definitely have a place in discussion but a frustrating amount of the time it's just 'I Am In The In-Group' or 'I'm In The Out-Group But I'm One Of The Good Ones🥺'

#i get why someone would put tma in their bio esp if they're talking a ton about transmisogyny and stuff #but like. random transmasc you don't have to define yourself by one specific intersection of oppressions you don't face i promise you

b-side-takes

i feel the need to reiterate this

llulamoon

I want to summarize this study as best as I can for the people on here who don't want to go through the study themselves.

1) There are a total of 27,715 respondants

9,238 respondants are trans women

7,950 respondants are trans men

1,925 respondants are nonbinary/genderqueer raised as male

7,844 respondants are nonbinary/genderqueer raised as female

2) 21-25% of binary trans respondants have not come out to their workplace, 40-45% of nonbinary/genderqueer respondants have not come out to their workplace.

A third of trans women have not socially transitioned and close to equally are not out to their workplace. In comparison 16% of trans men have not socially transitioned nor are they out to their workplace.

29% of trans women have transitioned and pass. 60% of trans men have transitioned and pass.

38% of trans women have socially transitioned but do not pass. 25% of trans men have socially transitioned but do not pass. The study acknowledges this this could be because 45% of trans men have gotten surgery while only 29% of trans women have gotten surgery, the types of surgeries are not specified.

This is where I will be discussing the results of the wage gap.

3) Trans women who have socially transitioned but do not pass have a 15% lower income compared to trans women who pass and have told at least 1 colleague about their trans identity. Trans men who have socially transitioned but do not pass have a 12% lower income compared to trans men who pass and told at least 1 colleague about their trans identity. This is NOT in comparison to the opposite gender identity.

Trans women who have not socially transitioned and have not come out have a 28% higher income compared to trans women who pass and are out to at least 1 colleague.

Trans men who have not socially transitioned and have not come out do not have a significant wage gap compared to trans men who do pass and have come out to at least 1 colleague.

Trans women will only benefit from an increased income so long as they do not come out to colleagues about their trans identity. Differences in income only become apparent depending on whether or not a binary trans person passes.

I've run out of space so please be patient while I type the next part out. If I've misinterpreted anything please correct me so I can edit the post. DO NOT BRING WAGE GAP DISCOURSE INTO MY INBOX YOU WILL BE BLOCKED. I am trying to remain as unbiased and neutral as possible.

llulamoon

Cont.

Trans men earn 5-19% less than trans women.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male earn 12-25% less than trans women.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female earn 9-22% less than nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female earn 13-26% less than trans men.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female are less likely to be employed/seeking employment, and more likely to work part-time (I assume compared to nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male however this is not specified).

Trans men are less likely to be unemployed, less likely to live in poverty, and more likely to work part-time compared to trans women.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male as more like to work part-time compared to trans women.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female are more likely to be unemployed, live in poverty, and work part-time compared to trans men.

Compared to cis men:

Trans women earn 14% less, trans men earn 16% less, nonbinary/genderqueer people raised male earn 18% less, and nonbinary/genderqueer people raised female earn 38% less.

Compared to cis women:

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised female earn 22% less, Trans women have an 8% higher individual income, and results conclude that the wage gap for trans men and nonbinary/genderqueer people raised male is insignificant.

Compared to cis men:

Trans women and nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male have similar rates of employment/seeking employment.

Trans men and nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female are less likely to be employed/seeking employment.

All trans identities are more likely to be unemployed and live in poverty.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as male are significantly more likely to work part-time compared to trans women.

Nonbinary/genderqueer people raised as female are significantly more likely to be unemployed, work part-time, and live in poverty compared to trans men.

Trans women who pass and transitioned between the ages of 25-29 earn 30% more, 30-34 earn 43% more, and 35+ earn 52% more.

Trans men who pass and transitioned later in life have a progressively lower income, those who transition at the age of 35+ have a 25% lower income than those who transitioned up to 24.

Trans women who transition at the age of 24 and younger have a 21% higher income than trans men. Income lessens between the ages of 25-29, increases again between the ages of 30-34, and decreases by 14% for trans women who transition at the ages of 35+.

In short, trans women who transition later in life have a higher income while trans men who transition later in life have a lower income and vice-versa (i.e trans women who transition earlier in life have a lower income, while trans men who transition earlier have a higher income. Keep in mind as results above show this is also dependent on how well you pass.)

Summary over !!!! If I've missed anything or if there's anything I need to correct please let me know and I'll fix it asap <^×^> goodnight everypony ♡☆♡☆♡

b-side-takes

very important breakdown thank you!!

#main idea is passing maleness is rewarded while gender nonconformity and femininity are punished

can you get tdicks circumcised

THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF WHICH MEN, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE???? CISGENDER MEN!!!!!

I literally gasped i truly cannot believe there's people who fail to comprehend reality this badly, and then in the same post act so patronising and like trans men are the ones not understanding social theory because they can see this simplistic bullshit is just plain wrong and not true

b-side-takes

you see cis people have a special ability where they can sense telepathically who is what gender so they can treat them accordingly

b-side-takes

i think people treat lesbians specifically like this too. no you can't be Instinctually Attracted To People With Female Souls because souls don't exist and that's ok

#maybe it's just because “gay” is an umbrella term sort of #idk people are too weird about labels #they exist to basically be like “yeah what i experience attraction or gender-wise sounds about like what this other person experiences”#not to be hyper defined rigid boxes

queerautism

THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF WHICH MEN, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE???? CISGENDER MEN!!!!!

b-side-takes

you see cis people have a special ability where they can sense telepathically who is what gender so they can treat them accordingly

i don't think tma/tme on their own are completely useless but a disturbing amount of people on here use "tma" to mean "trans people who weren't born with vaginas, and are thus worth listening to"

#like ohh my fucking god holy misogyny

listen if your model for oppression requires androphobia as a widespread societal force to exist for the very real statistics on the oppression of trans men and mascs to make sense that might be your fault not the fault of people pointing out the statistics

#intersections of identities creates new and fun /sarc oppression i think that's ideally the model we should be using #whereas the current model of intersection of oppression creating new and fun oppression straight up Doesn't Work for transmascs #re: wage gap and sa and such #not our fault yall forgot about us applying your fuckass model to everything

nonbinary-wrath-month

Conservative misogynists: Women are dumb and irritating. Their brains are poisoned by their hormones. The art they make is shallow and silly, their political theory is not worth taking seriously, and they're constantly whining and being drama queens about their stupid problems. They need to shut up and realise they don't belong in leadership positions.

Leftist "transfeminists" (so-called): Trans people AFAB are dumb and irritating. Their brains are poisoned by their hormones. The art they make is shallow and silly, their political theory is not worth taking seriously, and they're constantly whining and being drama queens about their stupid problems. They need to shut up and realise they shouldn't be leading our movement.

It's a match made in heaven! I ship it ❤️

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