I’m Done

I've had it with yall. Side blog of someone exclusively for sparing my followers Discourse I have my notifs off so if you really want an answer send me an ask quick if you're gonna send me an ask on the subject please start it with what you think transandrophobia means

[redhairandpronouns]

hey do you guys remember when homophobes were like "umm homophobia doesn't exist i'm not AFRAID of gay people!!" and we had to explain that no that's not how latin roots work or what the word is used for. remember how annoying that was

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https://www.hrc.org/resources/the-wage-gap-among-lgbtq-workers-in-the-united-states

is this one right? It looks like the screenshots I see everywhere

it may very well be i've gotta check tomorrow on my laptop because on mobile for some reason (through no fault of your own) the link sends me to an incredibly broken web page asking for cookie permissions and a donation at the same time

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That study also said that Asian and Pacific Islanders don’t experience any wage disparity and lumped 2spirit people with nonbinary people

i'm starting to think there may be some major data collection and reporting problems with that study ngl lol

[b-side-takes]

i feel the need to reiterate this

the study that concluded trans women on average make less than trans men only took into account full-time jobs, meaning it ignored data from trans people in part time jobs. trans men are more than *twice* as likely as trans women to have part-time jobs, which basically by definition pay less than full-time jobs. from this study (sample size 27,000+ usamerican transgender people) which does include part-time jobs, trans men [in the united states on average] make about 30% less than trans women, which is a PRETTY BIG NUMBER to fuck up on a reporting decision don'tcha think

[manuciruja]

awww the like button turns into a rainbow when you press it! that's so cute...hey staff what's with all the trans women you keep nuking?

[manuciruja]

i think we should be ridiculing them more for this. you don't get to try and go all "queer website" when your staff likes to go on nuking sprees targeting the trans fem users

[smadsel]

would be remiss not to mention that the rainbow notably straight up just removed the trans flag colors from it. like they’re gone. it’s the progress flag minus the trans flag colors.

[smadsel]

that’s not the whole flag, now is it

[manuciruja]

hey staff what the fuck

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staff what exactly about this post is Mature Content

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just to be clear i run this blog to try to get a new and exciting form of brain damage to cancel out my current brain damage

[pancakerabbit10011]

got terrible take blasted again sorry chat

transandrophobia is not the intersection of transphobia and androphobia, because anti-maleness as a societal force does not exist (androphobia, as an individual's fear of men, does exist as an actual phobia, and anti-masculinity is a fairly powerful societal force against anyone who is viewed as a woman [including trans women being held to higher standards femininity-wise]). it's "transandro" (as in transmasculine) + "phobia" (as in hatred of/discrimination against, as in homophobia).

so putting this all together, "transandrophobia truthers" are not fucking idiots who think that:

heterosexual perisex whatever the fuck white men are oppressed by society for those features, and because of that people transitioning into that role are experiencing all of the oppression experienced by white heterosexual perisex whatever the fuck men AND transphobia, which is of course comparable to transmisogyny

"transandrophobia truthers" believe that:

transmasculine people experience different oppression from cis men and cis women and transfeminine people because of our transmasculinity and having a word for that would probably be helpful for making that oppression Less Bad and overall making life better for transmasculine people

anyway that's why i'm blocking people for calling trans men transandrobros

[undeadtransfeminist]

Just outright mask off lmao.

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infinitely fascinated by some people's ability to fall for incredibly easy to spot psyops (you) (you're falling for a psyop) (that's attempting to split the trans community) (why are you listening to someone who calls trans men "tif"s about trans men) (genuinely undead transfeminist what are you doing here ma'am)

[damazcuz]

WAIT!

Before you hit send on that ask, reblog, or reply, remember to stop and PROOFREAD!

am I Pissing on the Poor?

did I Read the post in bad faith?

could I be Overexaggerating?

am I Out of line for saying this?

is it kind of Fucked up to say that to a total stranger?

is what I said Rude?

am I being Egotistical?

am I Angry at words that weren't in the post?

did I Dream up a pretend person to get mad at?

ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT YOURSELF FROM LOOKING LIKE A JACKASS ONLINE!

[b-side-takes]

you are an idiot. pokeballvictim said "i hate men" not "i hate trans men"

also androphobia is not a system of opression, men are not discriminated against on the basis of being men.

point 1. I don't know who pokeballvictim is i've searched my blog i don't know which post you're referring to, you can send me a follow-up if you're still mad about that

point 2. the purpose of the word "transandrophobia" isn't "trans men experience a specific intersection of being oppressed for being trans and being oppressed for being men" it's "transmascs experience a specific form of oppression because of our transmasculine status which is different from that of cis men, cis women, and trans women, and other trans people." This includes misogyny and transphobia distinct from transmisogyny, especially apparent in the "irreversible damage" rhetoric concerned not with transmasculine personhood and choice and health but with our fertility and femininity, among other examples. you are correct though "androphobia" is not a societal force of oppression for all men no matter what (though it is an actual phobia). unfortuately trans men *are* discriminated against on the basis of our transmasculine status because our manhood and masculinity cannot be teased and tweaked and separated from our transgenderness, in other words it's not "if we weren't trans men we'd be cis men" it's "if we weren't trans men we'd be cis women"

[alien-bxy-cunt]

I feel like a lot of transmisogyny vs transandrophobia debates could be settled by simply acknowledging the fact that:

A lot of transphobia specifically targeted at trans women and/or transfemme people, does so by exposing their transness and making them hyper-visible

A lot of transphobia specifically targeted at trans men and/or transmasculine people, does so by erasing their transness and making them invisible.

A lot of exorsexism and intersexism works on the same erasing and making invisible principles, though much like with binary trans people there can be overlap.

This doesn't mean anyone is more or less oppressed then the other, it simply just means the specific way we are oppressed is different. Which was the point in coining different terms outside of transphobia to describe our experiences.

[awwbrie]

wow that's wonderful news im glad that a trans woman is getting to join a women's soccer tea-

...oh

how the fuck is this worth celebrating, this trans guy medically detransitions to go play for the women's team while trans women are still fully banned from playing. and wow *he* gets to feel safe and included in the women's team but fuck any trans women who want to join.

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wow transphobic policies force people to detransition to play sports ? that sucks

wow transphobic policies forced a specific trans man to detransition to play sports? fuck him for. experiencing transphobia

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being a teenager is so stupid you'll be like "i need to figure out how im gonna see this fucking guy when we go to college" and the whole time you're like omg squeee~~~ i wonder if he knows i like him😳😳😳 and you've sent each other porn and talked about the logistics of having sex on multiple occasions

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it's always "trans men flaunt their ability to get pregnant" but never "trans women flaunt their ability to impregnate" which is also damaging and neither should be a widespread belief

[theartistrans]

[lord-whoreon]

the transphobia on this site is truly fucking disgusting, i’m shocked it’s gotten this bad. not only denying that trans men are in fact murdered for being trans men, but implying we’re “jealous” that we aren’t murdered “as much” as trans women. ignoring the fact rates of other violence against us are by far the highest compared to any other demographic. what the fuck is going on on this website you people are vile

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what

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i wonder what sort of thing might make people think that transgender men might have more political consciousness about feminism than the average cis men......... if only there was some sort of history every single trans man had............ perhaps history not rooted in masculinity and being rewarded for masculinity..? who knows....