I remember reading somewhere that if you tried to put a frog in boiling water right away, the frog will immediately try to jump out of the pot. But if you put the frog inside the pot with normal water, and then slowly begin to boil it, the frog will continue to stay in the pot even as it’s boiled alive.
To me, Frogue’s manipulation is like the boiling pot. When he first started as king, his manipulation wasn’t very good. Hell, the only reason he got away with most of the shit he did is because he ordered Katie to not say anything and because most of the red kingdom weren’t expecting him to be super evil bad guy day one of his reign. With Katie, he tried to shove her into the boiling pot instantly by making her do something truly awful, and then slammed a lid on top of it to prevent her from immediately snitching.
In some weird, twisted way, I think that was Frouge’s way of connecting with her. By carrying such a horrible secret with her, and having it so she was at far more immediate risk if it was revealed compared to him, I think he became more comfortable around her. After all, hard to believe your knight will stab you in the back when they were willing to kill their friend’s child and keep it secret just because you command them. He probably saw their relationship with a mutual destruction kinda lens, she won’t try to destroy me if I can just as well ruin her. Frouge grew compliant with Katie and loosen his grip on the lid, completely forgetting that the lid was a temporary roadblock, not a permanent solution.
And what do you know, the millisecond Frouge could no longer hold down the lid, Katie immediately jumped out the pot and told everyone the truth. I think Frouge quickly learned that getting someone in the pot wasn’t enough, he needed them to willingly stay inside it.
Now from the start, Frouge was a lot less intense with Bek compared to Katie. Which, if I was Katie, I would have lost my shit long ago. Like what do you mean I got the “kill the child before sunrise or you’re a complete failure to this kingdom and all it stands for” red king, while Bek got the silly “I just took a blunt lol wanna help me build my farkle hall no pressure though” Frouge, like what the fuck.
Anyway, because Frouge wasn’t being a general threat to mankind around Bek, she never really saw anything wrong with him. Like yeah sure, his utter distaste for the blue kingdom was a bit concerning, and yeah his personality left a lot to be desired in their new king, but it wasn’t like he was actively ruining the red kingdom as far as she could tell, so Bek was pretty much on decent terms with Frouge. Then the end of Frouge’s reign happened, all the truths coming out and the shouting and the reactions, which were a lot more chill then I’d thought they be, everything happens and Frouge runs away with the crown. Bek goes after him, finds him working on the farkle hall and begins to speak with him.
This is where the boiling pot metaphor comes back into play, because Frouge knows he’s alone right now and isn’t in a position to make any more enemies. He doesn’t try to command Bek to help, he doesn’t immediately accuse her of betraying him, he instead points out what he said has come true. How their side was poisoned by the blue kingdom, how not even seconds after the blue king was crowned, suddenly baseless allegations are being thrown at him, how even with all their claims, they proved no actual evidence besides their words. He then pivots into asking for her opinion, what does Bek think? Does she really believe he did that? Does she feel it’s right to make such claims and not provide solid proof?
He claims that Katie is power hungry, she was him for a time after all, she learned what it was like to be in power. He plants that seed of doubt, how willing she was to throw one monarch out for another, one that’ll probably meet the same fate as him. How Katie is playing the long game, that she slowly poisoning them all, and Bek doesn’t even realize it. Bek tries to fight back by pointing out that listening to the monarch of the red kingdom is what she does, that she’ll do it with the current ruler, just like how she did with him. She rightfully points out how everyone has warned her about him, how they are all cautious of Frouge. Thats where Frouge really sinks in, that whenever she speaks about what she thinks, it’s constantly them or us, never me or I.
What about Bek? He asks again, what does Bek, only Ser Bek, believe?
Sure, in the end they don’t exactly part on perfect terms, and sure, Bek absolutely doesn’t believe him in that moment, but Frouge learned from Katie how to properly manipulate a knight.
You don’t shove them into the pot and say it’s for the good of the kingdom, you put them in the water and ask them, what about you? How do you feel? You slowly add the heat by pointing out how the people act, how they treat their allies verse their enemies, how the kingdom is affected by their behavior. You don’t slam a lid down so they don’t jump out, you step back and ask them, is this really what you want for your kingdom? To have it slowly rot from the inside? The frog glares from water, it bites back and points out your flaws. Yet the knight doesn’t jump out of the pot, and Frouge keeps adding heat as Bek listens.
TL;DR - Frog in the pot metaphor for how Frouge originally manipulated Katie and how that backfired on him, only to try again on the other kight, Bek. He’s getting better at manipulating people and by god I want manipulated Ser Bek and evil Sausage to be with Frouge, it’d be so cool.