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my 2 cents on Tom in S3E9
I think in regards to the season 3 finale betrayal, saying "Tom did nothing wrong because Shiv did nothing right" completely undercuts the significance of Tom's decision to alert Logan and how that directly plays into Logan's growing fondness of Tom, and Tom taking the CEO position in the season 4 finale.
For one, no, Shiv was not at all a perfect partner to Tom; however, she did protect him at times. She boosted his position at ATN at the end of season 1 when she blackmailed Gerri about the cruises. She also went directly to Logan in the season 2 finale to insure that Tom would not be the one scapegoated for the cruise scandal, which worked, because then Logan went on to make Kendall the sacrificial lamb.
In the end, Tom is not just motivated to betray her because of an ebb in their relationship. Is that a part of it? Yes. However it was also, at the end of the day, a huge career and power move. Logan viewing Shiv as a viable contender for CEO was ended the second she came to Logan asking for Tom to not be sent to prison. She proved to him that she was not the killer he wanted; and we see this highlighted in season 3, where she's pretty much ignored even when she does do right by the company. Shiv definitely picks up on this, because when the possibility of Tom going to prison becomes a thing again, Shiv is so nonchalant about it that Roman uses it as a strike against her.
Tom, who at the end of the day, is just as ambitious as any other character on the show, makes his move by selling out her and the boys' plans to Logan - which effectively plants the seed in Logan's head that Tom aside from being a seat sniffer, is capable of being a killer. It's no surprise that Logan becomes warmer and warmer to Tom after this. That pat on the shoulder might as well have been a high-five.
So while yes, Shiv had been showing her ass, that's far from the only reason Tom betrays her. Shiv had moments where she protected him, and to say that Shiv had it coming downplays the more interesting aspects of Tom's character: his grit and cunning. At the end of the day, Tom could sell out Shiv, but Shiv could not sell out Tom. And we see that highlighted again in the season 4 finale when she, again, can't bring herself to sell him out, and effectively makes him CEO with her vote.
brian Cox has often said that Logan roy’s fatal flaw is he loves his children so much,do you agree?
I think Logan Roy is a narcissistic father, and a very realistic one at that. The issue isn’t that Logan doesn’t love his children, it’s that, as someone who was born into deep poverty, who was also an immigrant and came from nothing, he likely went through extremely difficult situations. He probably didn’t have the childhood he should have had, and most likely felt neglected by his parents, or that they couldn’t provide him with the security and stable emotional bonds he needed.
This often translates—because it happens a lot in parent-child relationships—into unresolved intergenerational trauma. So what happens? Logan becomes an incredibly powerful billionaire magnate. He doesn’t just escape poverty; he becomes part of the capitalist power structure, someone who can pull strings within society through his connection to the media world. And so, for him, the way he shows love or affection to his children is by giving them everything he never had. But he completely neglects the emotional side. He disregards it entirely because he believes it isn’t necessary. In his mind, what matters is that his children have not only what he lacked, but a hundred times more.
This is something that happens with many parents. Throughout Succession, there are multiple scenes where Logan treats his children like spoiled, ungrateful brats. And in those moments, you can clearly see that what infuriates him is that his children don’t think what they have is enough, that they demand something beyond money and power. Because he comes from a world where the lack of money and power is, in his mind, the root of his trauma and the reason his life was once so miserable. So, from the perspective of someone who has done no emotional work and hasn’t processed his trauma at all, he concludes that his children are ungrateful and useless. But there’s a second issue here: he doesn’t see his children as people or as independent individuals, he always sees them as children. He can never let them go because he doesn’t consider them fully capable adults. To him, they’re kids who can’t do anything by themselves, because he’s always bailed them out of every problem.
What he fails to realise is that their lack of tools or independence is a direct consequence of how he has raised them: spoiling them materially, in terms of power and social capital, their entire lives. In other words, he has built their prison while trying to protect them. But he hasn’t protected them emotionally, only materially. He’s indulged them materially, but never created bonds of support or emotional security. In fact, they constantly fear him, because he has never been a source of emotional safety. At the same time, they are deeply emotionally tied to him, because the lack of affection has created a desperate need for paternal approval, a need to finally be seen by him. To be seen as adults, as capable individuals, as independent people. But Logan has never allowed that, nor has he allowed himself to, because he always sees them as children he has to rescue.
All of this creates a relationship of total dependency, which in turn feeds his ego and reinforces the self-fulfilling prophecy that his children are useless because they always depend on him, when in reality, he is the one who created that dependency. It’s a vicious cycle. At the same time, it ensures that his children remain incompetent, because when it really matters, he never lets them fail and learn. He never allows them to stand on their own. And he doesn’t allow it because that would require something he cannot tolerate: losing control over them. Just as he cannot lose control over the company, he cannot lose control over his children. He simply cannot tolerate a lack of control in any aspect of his life.
So, does he love his children? I think he does, but he loves them terribly. You can love people and still love them in a deeply unhealthy way. Logan loves his children, but very, very badly, because he has never learned how to form healthy relationships or clean emotional bonds. His relationships are chaotic, rooted in power dynamics and in creating dependency, because knowing that others depend on him—whether financially or emotionally—makes him feel secure, makes him feel in control. And not being in control is something he cannot handle. So yes, I agree that Logan loves his children, but he loves them badly. And he is responsible for the fact that his children are walking collections of unresolved trauma, and for their often disruptive and dysregulated behaviour.
He also refuses to acknowledge that anything is wrong with them, because that would mean he is at fault. He can’t accept, for example, that one of his sons has sexual dysfunction, or that another might be bipolar, he can’t accept any of that, because doing so would mean admitting he allowed it to happen. So instead, he acts as if they are perfectly fine, just useless, just immature. Which leads to the conclusion: he has to take care of them, they owe him everything, and therefore he maintains control.
It’s fucked up, but Logan Roy is a terrifying character because he’s a perfect representation of a narcissistic father. And narcissistic parents—whether they’re billionaires, wealthy, middle class, or working class—often relate to their children in this way. The dynamic is so toxic that, despite the emotional abuse, the children still feel completely dependent on their parent, because they were never allowed to “fly” on their own, never trusted.
Do they love their children? Yes. But they love them very badly.
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And I feel validated by this comment:
I've always perceived Tom and Greg in a similar way!
guys i spent literally five hours on this and it's after midnight i was awake working on this i hope you like my first succession edit <3
i'm genuinely proud of this and it might be my favorite edit i've made
SUCCESSION | 2x07
Cognitive dissonance i know she’s a loser but i need her so bad
I think what really disappoints me about Yellowjackets is that it could have been so good. If it was a bad premise and a bad result it wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating, but the fact it’s an amazing premise with a bad result is maddening.
Not all the potential is wasted, the characters are written really well overall. But the complexity of the themes and a consistent storyline is largely lost. I understand some of this in due to budget trouble, where the first season was a kind of proof of concept but if they weren’t going to go all in from the start they should’ve compensated better. This just about the worst possible show to have retcon characters given it relies on them being isolated.
And while again the characters are well written, the narrative sometimes undermines that when it can’t decide how far it wants to go or wants to have a scene but doesn’t want to commit to its significance.
Take Misty Quigley: She’s presented as a character who will do anything for love and acceptance, even if it hurts those she wants to love her. So why does she stop assaulting the coach when she learned he was gay? Was that “too far”? She was already assaulting him!
And at first I thought MAYBE it kind of made sense if Misty only pursued those she thought could potentially reciprocate. But then Walter happened. The guy who ONLY reciprocated, and she for whatever reason can’t stand him?
So then I thought maybe she wanted those who reciprocated to be on (from her perspective) the same moral level as her, basically unable to judge her, hence why she was so attached to the Yellowjackets even post rescue. But then why was she seen actively going on dates? And what was the sensory deprivation tank seen for? I thought it was going to be her revelation that Walter did actually like her and that she liked him. But it then meant nothing. If Nat’s death offset that revelation so much, why have that scene of him comforting her when she blames herself?
It just seems like so many of the significant scenes don’t mean anything until they’re replicated multiple times. And this wastes a lot of time and makes it unpredictable what’s actually going to matter and what may as well be disregarded narratively.
It also makes scenes like THIS:
Infinitely more frustrating, but not for the right reasons.
Natalie has a gun. Natalie and Travis are established as the only characters who can properly wield the gun. Natalie is the one character firm in her conviction that they shouldn’t resort to violence and only backs down when she feels her life threatened. Natalie is also not an idiot. This SHOULD BE IMPORTANT.
Shauna refuses to leave and demands everyone else stay so she can continue feeling powerful. Natalie is consistently against this.
It might be difficult for this interaction to end with them deciding not to or being unable to leave, but it’s possible. And for something this significant, it shouldn’t been set up that it makes sense.
Instead, Natalie (rather than approach aiming her gun AT Shauna, something she’s very capable of doing when she was able to aim it at Coach Ben to coax him out the cave, or better yet not approach at ALL) essentially tosses her gun at Shauna by making it readily available.
And suddenly Shauna is an actual sniper. A character who relies on aggression and influence to impose her wants can now also use a firearm as well despite having absolutely no training.
It’s entirely unearned. It’s like if the show wants something to happen, it’ll just happen regardless if they actually put in the work for it to make sense.
It also degrades the scene where Natalie sees the first snow after they fumbled the rescue, because it doesn’t feel like she did everything she could and failed OR a moment of hesitation where she, for whatever reason, agreed with Shauna that led to this, instead it just… Happened. There’s no understanding for Natalie’s motive because it didn’t seem like she had any. It wasn’t like her to do any of that. It just makes you wonder what on earth she expected.
i'm begging you guys to start pirating shit from streaming platforms. there are so many websites where you can stream that shit for free, here's a quick HOW TO:
1) Search for: watch TITLE OF WORK free online
2) Scroll to the bottom of results. Click any of the "Complaint" links
3) You will be taken to a long list of links that were removed for copyright infringement. Use the 'find' function to search for the name of the show/movie you were originally searching for. You will get something like this (specifics removed because if you love an illegal streaming site you don't post its url on social media)
4) each of these links is to a website where you can stream shit for free. go to the individual websites and search for your show/movie. you might have to copy-paste a few before you find exactly what you're looking, but the whole process only takes a minute. the speed/quality is usually the same as on netflix/whatever, and they even have subtitles! (make sure to use an adblocker though, these sites are funded by annoying popups)
In conclusion, if you do this often enough you will start recognizing the most dependable websites, and you can just bookmark those instead. (note: this is completely separate from torrenting, which is also a beautiful thing but requires different software and a vpn)
you can also download the media in question (look for a "download" button built into the video window, or use a browser extension such as Video DownloadHelper.)
if the "Complaint" links are not visible for you:
Option 1: try the DuckDuckGo search engine instead (bonus: dedicated to privacy! doesn't track your data!)
Option 2: go directly to LumenDatabase.org (the website that collects the complaints--and therefore the removed links) and search for the title you want. look for results titled "DMCA (Copyright) Complaint to Google" featuring the media you're looking for. Proceed to Step 3 (above).
personally, i'm a huge fan of r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH. they keep their links up to date and they also rank them, basically. they also have all kinds of little pages explaining how to safely pirate shit.
^^^^what they said. I'm surprised people are still reblogging this post now that google's flushed itself down the toilet. so here is your
2026 UPDATE:
just go to r/FreeMediaHeckYeah and r/Piracy. it's easier, more reliable, and will take care of all your piracy needs!
something about how appletv has produced 2 banger shows that both pit the dirty and monstrous parts of love and humanity against ‘rationale’ and ‘logic’, involve some kind of sci-fi element that alters identity, set in mostly clean, emotionless backdrops of offices, hospitals, suburban upper class housing etc with the occasional small but cozy and personality-filled homes. all to dissect and question what it means to be human by establishing what its not. did appletv suddenly inherit a taste for good writing that coincidentally have the same themes or is this their attempt at making us associate love with clean corporate minimalism? guess we will find out when their 3rd show comes out
carol sturka
the Hive,
who’s been well-established to, once the use of existing loved ones is no longer a viable option, use sexual attraction to ease the immune into accepting them,
has sent Manousos men of a particular age group and body type a total of, hmm let’s see now *counts on my fingers*, 4 out of 4 times
which could mean nothing
already said this in somebody's tags but the true nightmare horror of pluribus is what if you were 50 years old and then you were suddenly forced to be a teenager again. nobody wants to hang out with you because you're "disruptive" and a threat to the social order and their worldview and actually they're all talking about you behind your back and nobody respects your autonomy or agency and any independence you may have had is taken from you as you're forced to rely entirely on the conditional "kindness" of people who want change and fix you because they believe there is something wrong with the kind of person you are and they all condescendingly talk down to you about how you don't understand how the world works or what you actually want and you should just let them make the decisions for you
to carol, the hivemind is conversion camp. to manousos, the hivemind are colonizers
id hop on the yuribus so fast for her
thank god carol sturka is being a little bitch about the whole joining thing because if zosia knocked on my door asking if i was thirsty and she’d do whatever i want, the hive mind would already have two fingers inside me episode one and there would be no Pluribus.
I am always a little bit resentful of the times when a protagonist has valid beliefs that others are against so she has to be a bit of a stubborn asshole about it, because its so much easier to be persuasive and conducive by being nice to others. It’s not intolerable but it gets to a point; so much more character depth can be found in maturity, and personally, I think change is much more fun to watch than a tantrum. With that being said, although its not the best, it does work for Carol Sturka because she’s fighting an uphill battle and she needs all the determination she can get. I do wish they have more quiets moments of Carol’s grief for Helen (or we see her attempts to keep her alive within herself?) but that’s my preference and it doesn’t take away from how much angry grief is already portrayed on screen.
So excited for season 2! They better have some shit in store for Carol Sturka. I hope they pull the most traitorous twist ever so that her moral rigidity and detachment become her survival, tested to their limits even. What if every single rule that Carol has written on her whiteboard gets disproved one by one. Or if human advancements come ten times quicker now that every single living scientist is working on the same problem. And they build something no human could ever come up with because they aren’t really human anymore. Or what if Zosia is so gay for her that it shatters the hive mind the second time they have make-up sex and everyone is saved.
Pluribus has so much untapped potential! I hope Gilligan and AppleTV recognise it and make it happen.
severance is crazy for making me, at the end of the season, sympathetic and protective of the characters that i hated and feared at the start