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Hey radfems are gross human beings and absolutely not welcome here! I’m nonbinary and stand strongly with my trans sisters and my indigenous brethren who don’t identify with colonial gender roles. I hope you don’t feel welcome anywhere 💙
billie eilish says you can’t love animals and eat meat at the same time (and she’s right) and there are thousands of comments sayin she’s rich and she can’t tell people what to do and ohh it’s so easy for her. yeah it can be easier for her but when it’s a black poor vegan saying they are vegan bc they care about something bigger than them you also don’t listen. you don’t care. you just create excuses because you wanna keep harming and killing animals for your own good. instead of hating on billie you should look in the mirror.
Literally, if someone with any form of privilege is vegan then it's all about how easy it is for them to say/do that. But if someone without it says they're vegan....crickets.
(Also half the time people saying this stuff are perfectly capable of eating vegan but just don't want to. I'd have more respect if they just said that.)
i’m normally a Very Chill vegan but the internets outrage over billie eilish is reallyyyy testing me. the biggest issue i’m having with the response right now is the way people are trying to cling onto some kind of moral superiority by being like:
“what about indigenous people!?”
especiallyyyy in america the taking of land for animal agriculture predominately affects indigenous land. there is so much forced relocation behind animal agriculture and it is Not affecting us guys. we don’t typically have to move our entirely livelihood to support this industry, but indigenous communities Do. when we (europe) started building cattle farms in brazil the kaiowá were violently forced to leave their land and had to witness the destruction of it to make space for this. the kaiowá and other guarani originally had over Eight Million hectares of land and that’s been reduced to 52,000 spread out across reconquered areas and roadside encampments. and that’s just One example of One area. 80% of global deforestation is a result of animal agriculture.
and that’s without even mentioning the environmental impacts. the Only universal trait behind indigenous diets, the onlyyyy thing you can spot in every single one without fail is sustainability. protection of the land. yes, some indigenous communities eat meat, but to use that as a moral argument against veganism when our animal agriculture practises go against the One universal trait of these communities? your cognitive dissonance is showing. vegan diets produce on average 75% less greenhouse gases than an animal diet. animal agriculture produces around 65% of the world’s nitrous oxide emissions (which has a 296 times greater impact on global warming than carbon dioxide) in 2021 49% of the UK’s methane emissions was from animal agriculture. sustainability is at the heart of every indigenous diet.
it is undeniable that animal agriculture is one of the largest contributors to climate change. undeniable.
and the use of indigenous communities as some kind of shield when arguing against veganism is so fucking baseless and idiotic. so idiotic when our practises are directly harming these communities. whether that’s through the taking and destruction of land, or the fact that these communities are the first (and hardest) to be hit by the nearly irreversible climate change that we’re witnessing right now.
you can’t love animals and eat them. you can’t call yourself an environmentalist and eat animal products. and you cannot claim to care about indigenous communities when their land, livelihood, and practises only matter to you when it comes to winning an argument. especially when the very basis of your argument undermines that.
"Militant vegans" has the same vibe to it as "feminazis"
Terms suggesting the violent nature of activists fighting against an oppressive system who refuse to choose a more palatable version of activism that doesn't make you acknowledge your participation and compliance within this system
in light of billie eilish’s “hot take” about veganism, I’d just like to say I am so sick and tired of non-indigenous people using our communities and practices as an excuse, to hide behind their own shame when really they don’t give a shit about indigenous peoples. they don’t talk about us in any other aspect besides this one and it’s only to cover their own backs. indigenous communities that have to hunt for their own food for survival is very different than going into a supermarket and buying packaged meat. these communities have quotas, they use every part of the animal, and they are responsible for taking care of most of our ecosystem. any good, intersectional vegan knows this and understands that it would be very colonial of them to go into these spaces and try and change that. saying this, there are a lot of indigenous people who are vegans and they are largely ignored because it doesn’t fit their narrative of the “noble savage” which is also a racist view of indigenous people.
If meat is only ethical when it's hunted by indigenous people then only eat meat when it's hunted by indigenous people.
If meat is only ethical when you have to eat it because you're poor or have a disability that makes you need to eat it then don't eat it if you aren't in extreme poverty or have one of those disabilities.
If meat is only ethical when you buy it from your local farmer who kills their cows without them feeling pain and also only kills them when they're old and lets them live their full lives and practices regenerative farming and has a negative carbon footprint then don't buy any meat besides that.
It's weird how I don't see anyone defending eating meat using these scenarios actually doing any of the things I just described.
more leftists should be vegan. veganism and leftism operate on the same beliefs. social justice, no exploitation of labor, autonomy, environmental concern, intersectionality, an equal and just living etc. leftist praxis should include veganism
Indigenously: no.
Animal welfare and animal rights are different things; it is good and normal for humans to be slightly anthropocentric while acknowledging our role within the greater ecosystem. Factory farming should indeed be dismantled- I want all animals harvested for food/leather/fur/bones/organs to have full and rich lives with as little suffering as possible before they're harvested. But it is not anti-leftist to live as a predator within the ecosystem. It is not more wrong for humans to eat salmon than it is for bears and eagles to do so.
i used to work in a vegan restaurant and it had basically all the same labor and management problems as the other restaurants i worked at that served meat. obviously. because it was a business in a capitalist system so obviously theres an economic incentive to pay workers the bare minimum and charge customers the maximum you can get away with.
in fact, the restaurant used the vegan identity and environmentalism as fuel for their marketing in quite cynical ways. at the same time they had a deal with Whole Foods (implicated in prison labor allegations btw) to source ingredients, meaning that there were transcontinentally shipped produce lol. for example we used frozen blueberries that were product of Chile. for a restaurant in the pacific northwest region in the united states of america. there are blueberry farms in oregon, washington, etc. But it’s cheaper to exploit south american farms than get local blueberries i guess. (which still by and large exploit the labor of migrant farmworkers from mexico and south and central america, but i digress)
i was vegetarian at the time and i had a lot of deep conversations with my coworkers and manager and the conclusion i came away with is that veganism is merely a cultural practice and is not inherently “leftist” in any way. if you consider human lives equal to animal lives i think that is not compatible with a clear-sighted materialist analysis of the world we live in. its practically a religious belief. which, like, okay, you can be religious, you can have irrational beliefs, but that’s not what “”””leftism”””” is about. that’s not really what any socialist or communist theory is about. it could be syncretized with socialist theory, but it would always merely be an ill-fitting addendum.
I was going to put this in tags but no.
Cashews that make vegan cheese are extremely dangerous to harvest due to the fact they mist be harvested by hand and the fruit has corrosive enzymes. Most workers end up with scars from chemical burns.
Almond farms were linked to the declining bee population due to the number of bees needed to pollinate the plants. Most bee keepers were lucky to get half their hives back after farms rented them.
We all know about how much of the Amazon rainforest has been destroyed to make way for soy farms.
Agave is a main food source for many bats, but no, harvesting excess honey from bees that over produce it is the problem. If bees regularly have a large surplus of honey they swarm, the hive splits and some leave to start a new hive. Problem is that most bees don't survive this process because it makes them vulnerable to other environmental factors. So encouraging farming and over consumption of agave and stopping the consumption of honey, you're actually harming two different populations of pollinators.
"Vegan leather" is mostly plastic, which breaks down and sheds microplasics. Contributing to the ever growing landfill and contaminated water supply issues we have. Meanwhile cow hide is a natural byproduct from the meat industry, and real leather can last decades if taken care of. A single cow can feed 2 families of 4 for a year, and that leather can go towards making belts, boots, gloves and jackets that last decades.
If you want to actually support ethical food production and animal welfare do your research on where your food comes from. Look into local farms and their practices.
The terracotta army of strawmen.
Cashews that make vegan cheese... Veganism doesn't mean replacing animal products. It means harm reduction. Eating less dairy in order to reduce harm is already vegan. Eating no dairy is even better. Using artificial cheese is not necessary to be vegan.
Almond farms... Vegans don't advocate for monocultures. They advocate for harm reduction. Monocultures predate veganism, because they are easier to manage and more profitable—at the expense of enviroment and biodiversity. They don't exist because vegans want to drink almond milk. They exist because producing almonds in a vast agrarian steppe is more efficient (in the short term) and makes more cash.
We all know about how much of the Amazon rainforest has been destroyed to make way for soy farms. Almost 80 percent of global soy production is used to feed livestock. Rainforests aren't destroyed to feed a couple of vegans. They aren't destroyed because vegans and non-vegans eat more soy nowadays. They are destroyed to feed cattle.
Agave is a main food source... Again, veganism doesn't mean replacing each and every animal product. It means harm reduction. Personally, I know not a single vegan who uses agave syrup. Agave syrup's main selling point was being a "natural sweetener", opposed to "artificial sweeteners" like granulated sugar. That's stupid, but it works—on vegans and non-vegans alike.
"Vegan leather"... Calling it vegan leather is a marketing strategy. It's faux leather. It's been developed because it's cheaper to produce than leather. It is bought—most often by non-vegans, as they're more numerous—because it's cheaper than leather. It has nothing at all to do with veganism, it was around before veganism emerged from obscurity, before vegans were a target group. To pretend that faux leather exists solely to appease the small handful of vegans is simply nonsense.
Look into local farms and their practices. True. But there's no local farm that doesn't employ practices I want to abolish. I'd realy like to know where yall live—encircled by wide pastures full of frolicking sheep and cattle, surrounded by sustainable farms that produce enough so that an entire city can have meat on the table every day.
Throwing the problems caused by agriculture in the faces of vegans as a supposed gotcha is just lazy. Intensive agriculture exists independently of veganism. Agricultural workers are exploited indepentently of veganism. Service workers and prisoners are exploited independently of veganism. Veganism is one measure. It's not a panacea that solves all problems of capitalism and the environment. Vegans don't claim that it is. Please stop acting as if they do.
So many of these bad faith responses are perfect examples of people not understanding the end goal or main point of something.
“I worked in a vegan restaurant and they just wanted to sell stuff!” Yes, it’s called capitalism and marketing off what companies believe is a new popular trend so people will buy their shit.
It’s the same as when a company slaps other small or marginalized groups onto something. It’s capitalism. They want money. They don’t give a shit about the group they are using.
“Vegan leather!” Marketing. Capitalism and marketing, again. PU and other plastics used for faux leather are a marketing gimmick and cheap to create for people to purchase at a low price.
Amazing that the whole of tumblr, which claims to be so socially literate when it comes to things like class consciousness, racism, capitalism, etc can’t even get to not even this surface level reading
Because they want to dunk on a movement that is trying to reduce its harm and footprint (veganism) that they will throw any other groups under the bus to do it.
Y’all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. Seriously. Leftists my ass.
ppl who trash on vegans r always soooo funnyyyy bc they genuinely seem to believe they're, like, punching up against this oppressive regime, challenging the mainstream in beautiful defiance, whole time they're just upholding and reinforcing widely accepted social norms
Actually I think forcing an animal to be pregnant every year of their life and subsequently slaughtered just to get their milk is cruelty and not good for them. I actually think that sounds like torture.
Like 80% of vegan discourse on this website is about enumerating situations where it's acceptable not to be vegan. Can you imagine if 80% of feminist discourse was men discussing situations in which their participation in the patriarchy is blameless? Sure, you can find examples if you try, but I think this hyperfixation on it belies a certain... barely disguised seething bigotry.
"Veganism is anti-Indigenous" is a talking point non-Indigenous people use to avoid accountability, and it's literally the noble savage trope. It assumes we all hunt and fish, erasing Indigenous vegans, plant-based traditions, AND the fact that the meat and dairy industry is actively destroying Indigenous lands, waters, and food systems. Using us as a shield while buying your meat from the grocery store is tokenism. We're not your excuse.
Tiktok post by @ hiililylani (she/her).
"But what about-" what about them? Are YOU them? Is that YOUR case? If not, then stop using them as an excuse for why you walk past the black beans, tofu, lentils, and other affordable plant-based protein options in your grocery store to get your overpriced ground beef from a corporation that's destroying the Amazon rainforest to mass produce the cows yall can't stop eating.
i genuinely think everyone should go vegan if theyre able to but i cant say that publicly because people get mad that i dare to question the ethics of their actions and even encourage them to do that too and then they label me as one of those batshit crazy vegans
Every time someone justifies something evil and awful like the oil industry or the salmon farms with “but it provides jobs” I want to scream “FUCK JOBS”. Seriously. Fuck them. Fuck jobs. Fuck them and fuck using them as a bartering chip to destroy the environment and fuck acting like jobs are worth destroying the environment for anyway.
Wait wait wait what did salmon farms do
They use massive amounts of political pressure and muzzling of scientific information to hide the fact that they’re killing wild salmon populations on the West Coast of Canada through a combination of spreading drug resistant sea lice and disease and spewing massive amounts of infected wastewater into the open sea, which in particular is negatively impacting the cultural, spiritual, and economic lives of First Nations communities.
Almost as if animal ag is unsustainable and ruining lives…
They also, you know, kill innocent, sentient animals for no good reason.
is that person actually treating their veganism "like a religion" or do they have firm ethical beliefs that they're not going to disavow after a single conversation with somebody who neither understands nor respects said beliefs?
Veganism/Vegetarianism, sobriety, and voluntary celibacy/not seeking a relationship all engender a very similar bizarre outsized “reverse-FOMO” response from the general population
Immediately provide a reason why “you could NEVER” (this has not been asked)
Instantly push the boundaries that have been set (do you want to tryyy some??? Are you suuurrrre?)
bring up some Internet personality/celebrity/literally random other guy u know who also has that trait and is a huge bitch abt it
Claim the person is being self-centered and whiny for… saying something about themselves…
traumadump about some specific personal issues you have only tangentially related to the subject
All to like complete strangers… like i’m sorry I said why I haven’t tried the carnitas god
me: eats a chip
some non vegan, jumping from behind the curtains: did you know my uncle’s best friend’s niece went vegan once and she instantly d i e d ? id miss Bacon™ and Cheese™ so much, haha! but i just couldnt do it because my cousin’s allergic to peanuts. anyway its just The Circle Of Life so i dont feel Guilty about it, also i barely eat meat and i only buy local, humane, organic, free range meat! :) veganism is so expensive though. i love cheese. quinoa.
me: literally didnt ask
