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仙月大战 | The Great War Between the Immortals and the Moon Tribe

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Key to The Phoenix Heart | After tonight!

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TIAN JIA RUI as Ji Ling VEIL OF SHADOWS 月鳞绮纪 (2026), Ep. 29

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fake-married-my-dead-fiance

Okay, I'm not even watching this show but I've seen screenshots of this guy choking his wife and telling her death threats...

"such a standard for cdramas green flags"

The flag? 🟥

alipeeps

The whole green flag / red flag discourse is utter nonsense anyway but honestly if you're not even watching it then you're not really qualified to comment on the content or context?

I am watching it and at no point (up to ep 16 of 28) has he choked her and the closest he has come to death threats is pretty early on in the show when she was accusing him (entirely unjustly) of being all manner of horrible things and he, somewhat understandably, told her that - to paraphrase - if he were anyone else, saying such things would land her in a whole heap of trouble. Did he do so in a rather threatening manner? Absolutely. Did he genuinely threaten to kill her? Absolutely not.

As far as cdrama MLs go he is fairly standard - he is definitely manipulative and somewhat unhinged (he kills people but ofc they are bad guys and deserve to die) and he absolutely started off seeing her as just a pawn in one of his (with noble purpose ofc) schemes... but he is also the only person in pretty much the entire show who respects her as a person and respects her agency and insists on her being free to make her own choices (even if that choice means she will leave him). Something literally no-one else - not her dad, her mum, or her original sweetheart - has done.

It's fine if the show is not for you and not something you want to watch... but out of context screenshots alone are not sufficient to have an informed opinion on the show or the characters.

fake-married-my-dead-fiance

Okay, I'm not watching it but I have eyeballs and this is choking and death threats right here:

Source: https://www.tumblr.com/dangermousie/822230333316628480/he-is-surprisingly-toxic-for-an-idol-drama-ml-in?source=share

dangermousie

I am someone who IS watching the show and am up on all the eps out and while he's definitely better than her terrible adoptive father and better than her first love is gonna end up being, in no way is he a good husband material/choice/green flag/not problematic on anything but a curve compared to the other men:

forced her into marriage as part of his political plans, with no opinion or interest as to whether she's OK with it. Just because he may have gone in with 'ah, I will give her a divorce later' does not negate it in any way. Even if we go with 'oh this is not really historical' doesn't help - if this is a proper period setting, he's fucking with the woman's most important choice/action in life but if it's ahistorical modern dress up and marriage matters less, then all the murder/choking/death threats/etc is not excusable because in a modern person playing dress up they are definitely not good.

repeatedly physically threatens her. He may mean some of it, he may not, fact remains, she's a woman half his size and with no battle skills.

is rude and insulting to her and just acts awfully to her whenever he thinks she's meddling into his family affairs (she is his wife, mind you.)

All the threats culminate in him freaking out she'd reveal his temporary blindness, choking her - literally grabbing her by the neck - threatening to kill her and to destroy her reputation.

his other wife justifies all of this by saying hey at least he's not worse and it doesn't matter if he has a temper as long as it's with his loved ones (which reminds me of the old Russian folk saying "if he beats you means he loves you.")

Now, do I care he's red flag/toxic/ other term du jour? Heck no. My favorite character last year was possibly Di Lin from Eternal Brotherhood 2, who massacred whole villages of civilians on his march to rescue his brothers so the news wouldn't leak. I don't even care if the characters are toxic vis-a-vis a partner. I love me toxic fictional dudes - I am salivating for Overdo to drop and both ML and FL in this one make this dude seem a saint (and the same goes for every FWSC adaptation ML and some FLs) and I enjoy my minis where half of them appear either ML is torturing FL or FL is torturing ML. One of my top 5 cdramas this year was Generation to Generation and ML is a certified headcase; we are not even going to get into what kind of games the bulk of characters of Veil of Shadows, my favorite drama this year and probably in my top 5 of all time, got into.

But! He really is a toxic dude and by any sane, non drama standard, not a great partner. And that's fine, that can make for a story with teeth (my issues with Key are many but ML being toxic ain't one of them) especially if the drama does not try to claim he's green like I am color blind (which this one is rather guilty of) but one can't possibly say he's an ideal dream boat and a great partner! The moment there is choking and a death threat, the man is automatically excluded from sweetheart safe choice label.

alipeeps

Lbr, NO cdrama ML in a non-problematic green flag guy! I can't think of a single one from recent years can you...? 😂

But as you say, that's not relevant (to me) to enjoyment of the drama and to whether he is an interesting character.

My point was more that you can't really make any kind of accurate judgement about a character (or a drama) based on a couple of out of context screenshots. I mean... sure you can make the judgement that it's not for you and that's entirely valid... but any opinions you have as to the nature of the characters or the story is going to be woefully ill-informed...

cageyworld

I will just add, regarding the screenshot in question, (spoilers), he’s threatening her because she just rightly identified that he lost his sight, a fact which could doom the empire if it gets out (because Cdrama). He panics and lashes out. Then, directly after this, he follows her lead in protecting the secret and she takes command in helping him accomplish his goals while blind.

As for his nastiness in the beginning, one of his primary traits is willingly playing the monster in other people’s stories if it helps the greater good. There’s a reputation he’s protecting. That’s not to say it’s okay, but rather to point out it’s based in a character flaw that is being criticized and interrogated by the narrative.

I, too, was and still am uncomfortable with the ages of the leads. What is making it work for me (so far) is that the ages match the characters’ relative life experiences (no more 19-year-old grizzled generals, please) AND ALSO a primary theme of the entire show is the young woman, Jiayu, being able to make her own choices and live a life she picks for herself.

This is not to say the show doesn’t have dodgy moments, but like everyone is saying: screenshotting those dodgy moments out of context isn’t a great way to gauge the show.

(Bonus: the ML of the show is surrounded by more platonic female relationships than I think I’ve ever seen in a Cdrama before and I’m personally loving it.)