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genevievefangirl

The Problem of Radiosilence

Alright, well, I don’t really want to do this, but since I see no one else doing it, I guess I’ll throw myself on the sword.

To begin with, I want to be clear that this isn't about all Radiosilence shippers. Rather, it is about a very specific way Radiosilence is being used in the wider fandom.

Radiosilence, as its own ship separate from Radiostatic, makes no sense from a fandom standpoint. Instead of being used as an interesting sub-dynamic within the Radiostatic umbrella to explore platonic feelings or QPRs, it is often used as a stick by anti-Radiostatic shippers to hit real Radiostatic shippers with. What do I mean by that? Well, let’s first define some terms:

Firstly, what exactly is a ship? A ship, as defined by the shipping wiki, ‘is the desire by fans for two or more people, either real-life celebrities or fictional characters, to be in a relationship, romantic or otherwise.’

Secondly, what exactly is Radiosilence? As defined by the Radiostatic page of the shipping wiki, Radiosilence is the ‘one-sided, unrequited ship … where only Vox is into Alastor.’

So, here in lies the issue. A ship is about wanting two characters in a relationship, platonic or otherwise, while Radiosilence is about unrequited feelings. This seems inherently contradictory.

However! These two ideas CAN coexist! Perhaps you are someone who feels strongly about aroace Alastor, so you are a Radiosilence fan because you want Alastor and Vox to have a strong platonic relationship or even a QPR. That is both a ‘ship’ in that you want a relationship between them of some kind and Radiosilence in that you like Alastor not returning the romantic feelings. That aspect of the Radiosilence ship (and those fans) isn’t the problem, and it is a fun dynamic to explore!

The problem comes in when certain fans claim they are Radiosilence shippers and say things like ‘Alastor hates Vox! He will never care about him!’ or ‘Yes Alastor! You tell that white man to fuck off!’ or any number of other things that imply they don’t want Alastor or Vox to have a relationship of any kind. In any other fandom, these sorts of comments would make you an anti-Radiostatic shipper, and you would stay out of Radiostatic spaces. But, for some reason, in this fandom, this is called being a Radiosilence shipper.

Everyone is allowed to have any opinions they want, of course. You can hate Radiostatic as a ship. I can’t stop you. But what bothers me is that Radiosilence is often used as the only ‘correct’ way to enjoy Radiostatic when, arguably, Radiosilence, as many people use it, *isn’t even really a ship of Radiostatic*!

The clearest example of this was in the recent helluva-shipyard poll for favorite Radiostatic dynamic, where the final round (Radiosilence vs Murdermeida) got flooded with reblogs claiming that Radiosilence is the only correct ship dynamic for them and that Murdermedia is the worst thing ever. I won't quote specific examples here to avoid calling out specific people, but feel free to look at the reblogs yourself if you'd like.

Many of the reblogs are hating on Radiostatic as a ship in general. Their claims range from how Alastor has no feelings for anyone but himself to the fact that Vox is racist. They assert that Radiosilence is the correct dynamic specifically because they don’t want Alastor and Vox to have a relationship in any way, which just… isn’t what shipping should be about!

If you don’t want Alastor and Vox together in any way (whether platonic or romantic) just say so instead of hiding behind the ‘I ship Radiosilence’ shield. Let Radiosilence be for the aroace Alastor fans who want a strong platonic relationship or QPR, and let Radiostatic fans in general enjoy playing with our dolls without having to read takes that are so mean-spirited in our Radiostatic tag.

Signed, A Tired Radiostatic Fan

#you got me at “in any other shipping space RadioSilence where Alastor does not care about Vox in the slightest #wouldn't be considered a ship"#because you're right!#it's still a relationship dynamic #but it's more along the lines of anti-radiostatic #than a subset of radiostatic.#damn some of the reblogs on that post are also mean #and in bad faith #anyway qpr radiosilence is very rad #spins #thank you for pointing this out op

redeemablepieceofshit

As many have said: I think there's an interpretation of canon events so far that indicates that Vox and Alastor see their relationship in very different lights. Alastor thinks they're playing, or at the very least finds their fights amusing and doesn't consider them (or Vox) dangerous (he is the strongest after all!) whereas Vox is truly seeking some kind of revenge/closure and to surpass Alastor to prove his worth/show Alastor what he could've had if they'd worked together (honestly I think vox gets a little confused about what he actually wants from Al anymore, going from keeping his smug ass alive in Don't You Forget to slitting his throat in Think About the Future).

I just think there's something so compelling about Alastor freaking out when Vox makes his proposal and determining that he needs to burn this bridge (because he doesn't want to be tied down, because he thinks Vox is using him for power, because he was already trying to use vox to break his deal at that time and he thought this meant vox wouldn't be capable). Many have pointed out that Alastor appears sincerely distressed in that scene, and I agree with that reading. Whatever his reasons for hanging around Vox, I don't think he wanted what they had to change, and when Vox tried to change it he decided the only solution was to end it with prejudice.

But then we KNOW that they continue to interact. There's the fight or maybe fights that have been alluded to. Vox seems to be the Vee who normally handles overlord meetings, so they must've seen each other at those?? And I have to believe, because these two are terrible people, that when they hung out before there was a certain amount of violence involved. Maybe they weren't beating the shit out of each other so much as other people before. But it's still entertaining as far as Al's concerned. So after the breakup Vox picks fights and they argue and maybe they used to do that - they both can't shut the fuck up, I'm sure they spent some amount of time just arguing about stupid shit. And they're doing that again! While fighting! Fun! So Alastor is like well. It's different. But I guess it's not terrible? I can work with this.

So he thinks everything's fine! This worked out great, actually! He thought he was going to have to cut vox off completely but instead they get to cut their teeth on each other once in a while and it's fun. So what if they don't go drinking anymore. So what if maybe something happened between them that we haven't seen yet that made it so we never see Alastor drinking with others in the present. Because I do believe it's entirely possible that the fight tantrum we don't get to see in the flashback may have been traumatic for both of them, but Alastor doesn't consider himself as someone who can be traumatized! He's the Radio Demon! A silly picture box can't hurt him, how ridiculous! He doesn't have feelings that can be hurt, thank you very much!

Meanwhile Vox is hurt and he knows it. And he lets that wound fester for 70 years. And if I'm following Alastor's thought process, the cheeky looks into the cameras, the public diss track the minute Alastor gets back from his sabbatical, to Al these are just in good fun. Continuing to play the game they've been playing this whole time. Meanwhile Vox feels each one like a grain of salt in the wound.

#yeahhh #alastor's cheeky/smug looks at the cameras #combined with the utter glee he had at vox's pentious plan failing #makes me think alastor sees vox's creepy stalker behavior as funny as much as it is. well. creepy.#he does get annoyed when he sees vox dissing him on live tv #but he looks incredibly amused during stayed gone #i don't know.#it seems like he has mixed feelings on that picture box #half of it seems like he's having fun #a quarter of it has him incredibly annoyed/angry #and the last quarter is bitter.#which only really comes out when he's at vee tower #reblog #hazbin hotel #alastor #vox

When people say that "they can't wait to see Alastor's version of the bar scene" I'm just a little... confused? There seems to be an idea that the flashback was filtered through Vox's perspective bc Alastor acted "out of character", and that Alastor's version of the flashback would have the characters act different. But Alastor's outbursts/character tics are in line with his character, and so are Vox's character tics.

When they said "Vox and Alastor remember the bar scene differently", they probably meant it in the sense that Alastor and Vox interpreted the scene differently.

#just my two cents #hazbin hotel #vox #alastor #hazbin hotel spoilers #might delete later

cagedcricket

#everyone else has mentioned the vessels #and yes i agree #a specific point that is reiterated is that none are gendered #hornet is special because she IS #and isnt it strange they all default the vessels to “he/him”#same thing with ultrakill and the machines #same thing with deltarune and kris #bleh #reblog

justn0t

when rereading chapter 7 and 8, it becomes obvious how they set up shadow milk's words to be used against him later on.

most of the ancients find their awakening by seeing the worst side of their beasts and realising that isn't what they want to become. Pure Vanilla and Shadow Milk's story turns that template around - in the beginning, Pure Vanilla doesn't even want to consider Shadow Milk's point of view, but he finds his awakening by becoming closer to Shadow Milk and understanding not only him as a person, but his views and ideals.

Suddenly, the same phrases and ideas that terrified Pure Vanilla in the beginning of chapter 7...

... are the same ones he says himself after his awakening.

Shadow Milk was right all along, which makes sense considering he was once knowledge. I think these lines were specifically said so that Pure Vanilla could mirror them later.

They are the beast-ancient pair that have come the closest to merging their soul jams again, and that is only because Pure Vanilla did something none of the others did. Instead of rejecting his beasts' ideology outright, he found the truth within his words and accepted the deceit that came with it.

#TRUE #reblog #even ssc and wlc didnt get close to merging their soul jams #bc ssc although much better than before he doesnt believe all should have freedom #ESPECIALLY not the beasts #thank you op for pointing it out #cookie run #cookie run kingdom #shadow milk cookie #pure vanilla cookie

one of the most horrible theories (that is both horrific and interesting) is that vox verbally and physically attacked alastor after being told he wasn't his friend and, in retaliation, alastor "put him in his place" via torture. i mean, it fits to a degree. alastor said vox threw a "tantrum". alastor also tortures people he's particularly enraged with/trying to prove a point against. it would also explain why vox was obsessed with alastor for decades - not only was he the first person vox was ever vulnerable with and looked up to, but also (likely) the first person who tortured him. that surely would fuck up someone in the head.

it also might tie with alastor refusing to drink socially in the present. drinking causes lowered inhibitions. maybe alastor wouldn't normally torture vox over a "tantrum", but alcohol + high emotions = "i'm only thinking about making him pay right now". maybe it's something he regrets, or he's angry at himself for the loss of control.

#there's also the possibility that vox tried to drug or hypnotize alastor before that #which also fits the theory fine #makes it more of a mutual horrific fallout #or it wasn't that extreme and alastor just beat the shit out of vox in the street #making the fallout more of a sad and complicated situation #alastor #vox #hazbin hotel

mint-fixates

Hey so are these the only two times we've seen Al with no coat and his sleeves rolled up

Because like. I'm pretty sure they are and that has some... Interesting implications

#I already thought the whole smoking and drinking alone to comfort himself while upset/in pain was Related To Vox #<- yeah #that and his eyes are shadowed here while drinking #from the pain certainly #but his eyes were also shadowed when Vox offered him a drink #+ Alastor going quiet from that question + him seemingly no longer a social drinker in the present?#others have also pointed out that the mic in both pics are likely the same and it's a mic from vox's time #and isn't it weird that it's on alastors vanity now instead of his piano. right next to the roach crown from nifty #whatever happened between those two was certainly messy #like. a lot messier than we were shown #reblog #Vox #Alastor #hazbin hotel

vroomvroombrrr

"Love is blind and pathetic"

"Blind" is in red.

"Pathetic" is in blue.

"Unrequited love?" is also in red. The theory that Alastor thought Vox was only using him because of Vox's pattern in killing his business associates...

And at the very bottom is written "Call us!" in blue. And we know that Vox will always answer when Alastor calls...

#oooo good catch #there's also the theory that Alastor is “blind” to love #bc he thinks love is supposed to coincide with lust #so he thinks he doesn't love vox bc he isn't in lust with him #which I subscribe to. bc i love LostMedia #in that same vein vox is “pathetic” to love #because it admittedly causes him to have. a shitton of blindspots #example: season 2 #reblog #Alastor #Vox #hazbin hotel

spaeltia

Y'know all of alastor's plan solely relied on vox. Make him the strongest sinner in hell and break out of the deal.

He never considered the worst-case scenario. He simply never thought it could be this deadly.

Fandom often downplays it, but Vox almost blew up heaven and hell, everyone and HIMSELF.

Alastor underestimated vox. He thought he would beat Vox after he broke his deal with rosie, save hell and make up for his reputation he lost during that time.

BUT, during his fight with Vox, he DID NOT win,got hurt and severely injured.

And after Vox actually lost his marbles,

ALASTOR WAS TERRIFIED

#someone else pointed out that alastors worst fears were reenacted during the end of that fight #chased and bitten by a dog? check #had a weapon aimed at his skull? check #needed someone else's help to even survive? check #it should be noted that Alastor always feared dying. death. and reminders of his death bring him great discomfort #i bet losing that much control over a situation (and a person) fucked him up #alastor technically won but he was kicked several times in the teeth #reblog #hazbin hotel #alastor #also something something alastor hates that he died and is terrified of dying again #but vox isn't bothered by his death (he reenacts it every time he uses electricity) and is fine dying again if pushed #crazy foils these two are

shentheauthor

Yk. Sometimes I think about how the godhome fights are canonically in the dreams of the bugs that you’re fighting. Sly, the nailmasters, Hornet, and Grimm all directly comment on it or imply it in their dream nail dialogue.

And then you have the Pure Vessel.

It’s likely their dream as well, which is heartbreaking because they imagine themself in their prime. They imagine themself unable to fail. They imagine themself empty.

And yet, they still fight similarly to their real body, which is clearly meant to indicate severe pain. I wonder, do they remember what it’s like to have a body that isn’t in pain? Do they even care to pretend they don’t hurt anymore? What’s going through their head? We have no way of knowing because they’ve suppressed their thoughts so far back, even the dream nail can’t bring them out.

#absolutely devastating #and guess what?#after they were beaten again #proving themselves fallible even in (their father's) dream even in their prime #the next cutscene is them as a child in the void with their siblings #ily pure vessel you deserved to be the name of the game #reblog #hollow knight

ellascreams

I think part of what makes Invader Zim so fascinating to me is that Dib and Zim can both never get what they want. And I don’t mean that they can’t defeat each other, though that is also probably true. No, I mean that what they both want at the end of the day is respect. And it doesn’t matter if Zim takes over the Earth, it doesn’t matter if Dib stops Zim for good, because no matter what neither of them are getting any respect from anyone.

In a way, winning is the worst thing that could happen to either of them. Because the only people that show them enough respect to regard the other as a threat is each other.

#ooo good point #in a way the chase is what matters most to them #reblog #invader zim

thempregguy

category of blorbo called "technically i like them but fanons obsession with them to the exclusion of other characters pavloved me into having a negative reaction whenever i see them"

#hunter from toh #shadow milk cookie #spamtenna #astarion #radioapple #sans. sans.#SANS.#dont get me wrong i love all of them #but theyre not my favorite so i tire of seeing them #reblog #not a character analysis but yknow.

vrawliney

A silly little comic where Alastor is being annoying

#ouch #imagine a friendship that dissolved so bad #you're mostly bored in their presence #not even disdainful. or annoyed. you're bored #i know alastors just being annoying but still #reblog #art #hazbin hotel #alastor #vox

soup-mother

this is a niche one but instead of "they would not fuckin say that" it's "they would not fucking use American sign language".

ASL is not the only sign language. two british characters in your fanfiction would not be using ASL. England in fact has its own kind of sign language, BSL, that forms a sign family with many other sign languages around the world.

ASL isn't even the original member of its sign family, it comes from french sign language. do you know sign languages aren't related to spoken languages? that's an important one! it's not a direct 1:1 with people speaking English around the world. people in other countries don't learn ASL just in case they run into an usamerican or Canadian (who do often use it)

i know the entire world is the USA or whatever and sign languages do sometimes borrow from ASL for signs they don't have, but please be aware that there are other sign languages and families in the world that are not in fact ASL.

musings on alastor and vox

alastor could have trapped vox in his little radio dimension for eternity, but he (as far as we know) never tried. even after voxtech's image was plastered everywhere in Pentagram City and probably annoying the shit out of him. i don't think rosie ordered alastor to refrain from harming vox either, so alastor left vox to his own devices for... some reason.

alastor despises being photographed and video taped in the present. it could definitely just be bc of vox's stalkerish behavior aggravating him to the point of hating visual media. still! whenever he notices vox watching through a camera, he deliberately acknowledges that vox is watching, usually in a way that would piss him off.

despite hating modern technology, alastor is decent at video editing. he keeps up with modern slang. make of that what you will.

"you still pissed that he almost beat you that one time?" as alastor and vox's final 1v1 showed, vox is no match for alastor in a fair fight. either the other two vees backed up vox and alastor was frustrated he couldn't have a 1v1, alastor deliberately lost, or he was called away mid-fight. im betting the last one (bc why the hell would he ever throw a fight? with his ego??).

"i can solve my own problems!" and then immediately goes to vox knowing that 1) vox could become the strongest sinner in Hell (which is frankly a compliment) and 2) vox would keep him around due to his obsession. he knew vox's mannerisms like the back of his hand, so he knew vox would 100% touch charlie at some point.

speaking of which! what does alastor do when trying to manipulate charlie into making a deal with him? touch her shoulders. incessantly. i wonder if vox learned that behavior from alastor or alastor from vox.

alastor frames vox's reliance on others as a bad thing. mostly as a dig towards vox, but he is technically correct - vox is over-reliant on the vees and others' public perception of him for power and influence, especially since vox is keen on taking all the credit. but still, the ability to gather everyone together and get them working for a common goal is a powerful skill, as seen with charlie and lilith. i wonder if alastor has said skill, as everything he's done so far is either through his own power or through the manipulation of another person.

"you need me like you did before!" vox doesn't need alastor - he already had the vees, voxtech, and the love of the masses. if vox had been content with his status in Hell, then vox wouldn't need alastor at all. but vox needed alastor's "defeat" in order to get the overlords' support for his plan, and he needs alastor's validation for his own ego. so! alastor clocked him. again.

"you're broken from the start, nothing will ever be enough" that☝️is projection (and also true for vox). let's be real, is being the strongest sinner enough for alastor? he wants to be the strongest person in Hell and he realized at the end of Season 1 that the strongest sinner in Hell is still pretty low on the food chain. him eying lucifer at the end of season 2 is no coincidence.

"excuses and lies were always your specialty" <- that line was so bitter that it had to be genuine. whatever excuses and lies vox cooked up bothered alastor more than whatever bad things vox did.

"i try" was both an admission that vox did make excuses and lies in the past (and in the present), that he knows what he's doing, and that he is not sorry about it. at least, not anymore.

alastor talks to velvette and valentino about how vox only comes to them when he wants something. this (among other things) makes me think that alastor thought vox was merely using him in the past. if vox ever told alastor what he did as a human to become such a popular television star (imitate and then kill competition), then alastor had every right to think that, given what vox was doing during their time together (buttering him up and imitating him). what's funny is that alastor was completely fine with that until vox made the "let's be business partners!" and "aren't we friends?" speech.

however, it's shown that vox might have improved in that department after alastor's 7-year absence. for all his complaining, vox showed up for val and vel before he decided to go through with the "take over Heaven" plan. val and vel also know vox is self-centered and obsessed with alastor - they have been around him for years guys - but they're still shocked at his behavior in season 2. alastor's presence regresses vox's self-improvements, purposefully and not. ffs he went from putting himself between velvette and an angelic spear to not caring if they die in his suicidal rampage.

"you ruined it". make no mistake, alastor hates vox now, but i think alastor didn't hate him in the past. alastor's reactions and jabs sprout from bitterness of a positive relationship that imploded, and he is convinced vox was the one who ruined it. given vox's behavior towards him... yeah. i don't doubt that vox would be the one who majorly fucked up the relationship. the "rejection scene" was only the tip of the iceberg, after all, and it is wayyy too favorable towards vox. at the same time, i don't think alastor is 100% innocent (bc sometimes he's just a dick for the sake of it), and i think he purposefully needled vox into being horrible at times.

#hazbin hotel #alastor #vox #sorry if this is too long #these two have been rotating in my mind for a while #horrible people being horrible yet trying to get along is a fun topic to explore #especially when they fail #gen hope vox overcomes his obsession with alastor #both for his sake and everyone elses #hazbin hotel season 2 #hazbin hotel season finale #hazbin hotel spoilers #radiosilence #bc i think it fits

deeply-unserious-fellow

Gang, I dont think Silent Salt is gonna go ballistic on Shmilk for what happened to Elder Faerie... cuz like, okay. First of all, Silent probably already knows what happened. He was in the tree when Elder Faerie died, and while he couldn't project himself out of it like Shmilk could, he probably still got the gist of what was happening, meaning that if he was gonna beat up Shmilk he probably already would have by now.

Second, Silent Salt 100% does NOT want the other Beasts to know that he was the one who sealed them up. Wether Shmilk specifically figured it out anyway is up to interpretation at this point, but it is VERY clear from Silents kingdom interactions with the other Beasts that he is purposefully playing nice and obscuring the truth from them. Burning Spice believes that Silent "crushed [his] virtue with [his] own hands" and Eternal Sugar thinks they're still friends. So like, no matter how much he WANTS to beat the shit out of Shmilk, he kind of can't if he wants to keep up the illusion that he wasn't involved in their imprisonment. He has to pretend that he was mad about it to.

Lastly, Silent Salt probably views what happened to Elder Faerie as lowkey inevitable? Like, they both knew the risks going into sealing up the beasts. They both understood fully what they were getting themselves into. They knew it was gonna ROYALLY piss off the other beasts. I think they were really just banking on the seal never being broken tbh, cuz no way in HELL did they not fully understand the danger they were putting themselves in. Shmilk wasn't killing Silent Salt's lover who had never wronged him, he was killing the warden of the prison he had been sealed in for centuries. At this point, there's really nothing left to do but grieve the loss, grieve the fact that this is what it had to come to.

Anyway yeah as much as I think Silent should get to punt Shmilk around a bit for killing his doomed yaoi bf, he both literally can't because he's trying to pretend he didn't want to be in that tree, and probably doesn't want to anyway considering he probably already knows Elder is dead and understands that the thing that killed him was partly his own choice. I honestly think it's a lot more tragic and interesting this way to, because like... there is no avenging your lover when what took them away from you was, in the grand scheme of things, the consequence of a decision you both made together. In fact he probably partially blames himself, since he already views himself as an irredeemable failure-

I do still think ppl should make fanfics where Silent beats Shmilks ass tho. As a treat for him. Silent Salt enrichment.

#100% this #i was always a bit confused as to why ppl insisted ssc was going to beat up smc after finding out about elder faerie #bc like.#all of the beasts could see out of the tree #you see it in a cutscene that they aren't blind in there #that and the beasts are already capable of spying on their counterparts #silent salt cookie already knows.#what is he going to do about it?#maybe something. maybe nothing.#we only witnessed the start of ssc's corruption #we never saw the end result #anyway cant wait for the next episode #reblog #cookie run kingdom

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