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TUTOR!
Tutor effects are great. Instant speed tutoring is awesome. Sure you're limited to black cards and need a semi-creature based deck; but you're in black, so you're probably already running a (light) graveyard build.
Best card spoiled so far!
Cheap
Unconditional
Basic land - whatever
Will run this in any deck I can.
Need Deck Help
So a friend of mine wants to make a bounce deck. Not just any bounce, though, he wants to bounce lands. Reason being he wants to “see the fear in their eyes as they have to discard their lands.” With this in mind, what cards do you guys suggest for this? Preferably something that can do this every turn.
A mono blue snow commander deck. Lots of infinite mana and Staff of Domination. Wincondition: Opponents scooping in disgust.
Which is the strongest of all the new commanders and why? Let me hear your reasoning.
(For the color / set ask meme) Multicolor, Alara Reborn.
In my Vial Smasher deck, I run Breath of Malfegor, and let me tell you- dealing ten damage to one poor sucker and five to everyone else at instant speed is really nice. I’d have to say it’s currently my favorite.
What a great addition to Vial Smasher! It's one of my favorite decks, and I'll be sure to test it out. Right now my favorite cards in the deck is Emrakul the Promised End. (I've made a delirium build.)
My first competitive commander deck may be Hazoret…mana ritual/artifact ramp her out, play pseudo-stax to keep them off balance->
Boom/Bust Crack the Earth Raze Stoneshaker Shaman Impending Disaster Blood Moon Devestating Dreams
Sprinkle in some Sneak Attack, blue/white hate.
Thoughts?
@competitive-edh @wordofcommander @imperialseal @dimir-guildmage
There are a lot of ways to effectively play without a hand mind you. I can see Hazoret as working very well in a control shell. Indestructible creature with high power for CMC to end the game. Can be used with a lot of red “wraths” like Blasphemous Act and other ways to clean up the field. Especially things like:
I'm not a huge fan of Hazoret or any of the Amonkhet Gods, really. There are a lot of better options for playing monored. But, if you really want to play Hazoret I suggest going control with Hazoret as finisher. Pretty much what wordofcommander described. And of course cards like Possessed Portal, Devastation, Winter Orb and Tangle Wire. Make sure no one can play magic and let Hazoret finish them off. It'll be slow and agonizing.
Why does red suck in edh inquiring minds want to know
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Give him infect, simultaneously kill everyone at the table
why kill everyone when you can live
The real answer is that Red is best at killing one person at 20 life, and when it has to deal with 3 people at 40 it just doesnt scale well enough. It would be much better if the starting life totals were lower, as well as White. Hell, Purphoros would be borderline overpowered at 20 life.
First off, Purphoros is already amazing, if life totals were 20 he would be banned. Also one of the most oppressive decks in EDH is Daretti Stax. So no, red does not suck. Mono white on the other hand. That's a different story.
Will all five of the gods be in amonkeht, or will they be split between amonkeht and hour of devastation?
Amonkhet has the full cycle of monocolored Gods.
Does this mean multicolored gods in Hour of Devastation?
So not a very exciting first day of previews. First of not a lot of cards, secondly not a lot of EDH material. So be it. You can't win every time. But then they change the rules on split cards! Making them less likely to see play in modern and legacy. And probably also standard. Thanks for nothing. (Also as others have noted, Hazoret is a pervert.)
Possible new EDH/Commander deck
Been really thinking about making a Ruric Thar deck. Been really liking Gruul lately.
Anyone have any thoughts
If I had to make a RG EDH deck, I would personally go with Omnath, Locus of Rage. I love ramp spells, especially when they still do something in the late game!
I've played both Omnath and Ruric Thar. Of those, Omnath was by far the strongest. But the most fun and also quite powerful gruul commander is by far Borborygmus Enraged. You get to play obscure cards like Aggressive Mining, and there's something to killing opponents by discarding lands.
Mesoamerica world or Atlantis/marine world
Mesoamerican world.
I guess this answers the Atlazan question.
When is the word "mythology" disrespectful?
A few months ago, some coworkers and I were talking about the days of the week and how they get their names from some of the Norse gods.
My coworkers asked my boss and I how we both knew so much about Norse gods. My boss said it was because he’s from Denmark, which is a Nordic country. I said it was because I’m a huge nerd who loves learning about mythology.
After the meeting ended, my boss said to me, “You know, those gods are a major part of my culture. My ancestors believed in them as much as you believe in your religion.”
Now you have to understand, my boss is a very even-tempered and nice guy. He doesn’t offend easily, and he didn’t say this with any anger in his voice. All the same, it was a very humbling and eye-opening moment for me.
I apologized for speaking insensitively, and he assured me that he was certain I meant no harm by it. I thanked him for the learning opportunity.
When is it disrespectful to use the word “mythology”? I’m not certain I know the answer to that. But I know that I wouldn’t be comfortable with someone calling my beliefs a “mythology,” so I’m trying to be more sensitive in how I use the word.
Yeah, as someone who actually studied Theology here… It’s all Mythology, even if it’s true. Mythology is the collection of stories relevant to any given whatever, and you better believe there’s a lot of references to “Judeo-Christian Mythology” by Jews and Christians. The problem is that Myth itself has two definitions. The relevant definition is a traditional, historic story that explains the world. The OTHER definition is a widely held but false belief. The reason people sometimes think the word “Mythology” is offensive is because they believe the root word is the latter, not the former.
“Mythos” is the Greek word for story. “Mythology” is the study of stories. You used the term correctly. You studied stories. Whether they were true or not has nothing to do with this.
That said, because people are wrong often, you’ll be safer just to always refer to it as Norse Theology rather than Norse Mythology. Less exact, as I doubt you studied much of the Norse customs and traditions resulting from the stories, but not incorrect.
I was about to hop and say basically the same thing! For reference:
As a Dane I would just like to say that most of us refer to the old Norse religion as "Norse mythology". So no harm done.
Which one would you like a deck teck on in the next week?
Atraxa.
Power Level in EDH
It is no secret that EDH is a very diverse format - probably the most diverse format out there. A deck builder can build almost any kind of deck imaginable - from the typical control, combo, aggro, and midrange decks; to decks like Stax, chaos, pillowfort, and anything in between. However, not all EDH decks are created equal - the possible disparity in power level between any two EDH decks is potentially as large as the difference between a bad draft deck and a tuned Vintage deck - and any sort of deck in between.
Most people tend to classify EDH decks as either “Casual” or “Competitve”, but the divide between the two is both subjective and blurry. However, a good way to classify EDH decks is needed in order to better communicate what kinds of decks you are playing to the rest of your pod or playgroup so everyone can have an enjoyable experience. It would also be good to have a metric for discussing certain cards or deck-archetypes. As such, I have decided to try creating my own classification system for EDH decks:
Type 1: Jank, Draft Chaff, and Gimmicks
Everyone was new to EDH at one time. Whether from inexperience or lack of funds, many players of EDH have decks that are barely functional - containing little more than draft chaff and starter-pack rares. Their curves are nonexistent, their decks are incoherent, and their cards are unsleeved. Some may be monstrosities containing 65 random green creatures and 35 forests, or “troll decks” containing 5-drop removal spells and Divinations with literally zero win-con. Other decks of this type tend to be gimmicks or “theme decks”, created by a more enfranchised player as a form of self-expression. Decks like “Ladies Looking Left” or “Chair Tribal” or “Mono-Red Samurai” - full of a whole lot of flavor, but almost nothing else. Decks of this type are often composed entirely of cards most players would never give a second look at, and typically cannot stand up to anything much stronger than a precon, if that.
Type 2: Casual
As opposed to Type 1 decks, Type 2 decks tend to have some amount of selectivity in the cards they play. You probably aren’t going to see random French-Vanillas in a deck like this, and they typically tend to have some sort of strategy and coherence. This is actually where I would rate the precon decks that Wizards makes every year. I would also consider decks built with some sort of arbitrary restriction - EG “no rares” or “no cards over $2”, as well as builds of “grouphug” and “chaos” that just do not have a way to win to be in this category. These types of decks are typically not exactly “good”, still containing many suboptimal choices and often with abysmal mana-curves, but the decks still tend to have some bite to them. If there are any combos in these decks, they are horribly janky and inconsistent ones, requiring so many pieces to function that it feels fair.
Type 3: “75%”
The name of this type is based off the “75%” deckbuilding philosophy, that states that the way to build an EDH deck that can handle the most competitive of players while not being unfun for the most casual is to make one at 75% power. While such a deck is actually impossible to build (anything that wants to even attempt to have a chance at so much as participating in a game with the most competitive of decks has to run the sorts of cards that more casual players shun entirely), decks of this type can pretty happily sit at a table with anything from a “type-2” deck to a “type-4” deck. While not all 75% decks out there are of this type, and not all decks of this type are 75% decks, the types of decks that philosophy builds are exemplars of this power-level. These are probably the most common types of EDH decks out there, and if you are going into a new group or store blindly, your best bet is probably with one of these.
Type 4: Pubstomp
Y’know that guy who claims he is so amazing at EDH and that his deck is unbeatable? That guy that plays Kaalia or Jhoira or Rafiq, that you just can’t beat? Well, this is probably the kind of deck he plays. Type 4 is where the gloves come off and anything goes - MLD, combos, Stax, Infect, Extra Turns, and everything else under the sun. These decks are mean, and tend to crush more casual decks out there. If you asked the average player what the best decks in EDH are, they would probably list off decks of this type. And they would be dead wrong.
Type 5: CEDH
These are actually the best decks in the format. These decks are truly degenerate, capable of consistently winning on turns 3-5 through disruption. These decks are not fair in any sense of the word, full of a who’s who of broken cards and mechanics, and anything that can’t kill everyone at once is too slow.. Storm, Doomsday, Stax, Ooze Combo…decks more broken and tuned than most think is possible in this format. There is a good reason that decks like these are often referred to as “singleton Vintage” decks. But we promise we aren’t bad once you get to know us…
Great classificstion. Remember, EDH is neither a casual or competitive format. It's a social format. Play accordingly.
Why I Believe That Jace and Gideon Would Start The Gatewatch Civil War
So not too long ago some people on Tumblr started talking about a potential Civil War story line for the Gatewatch, and I mentioned that I thought it was Jace and Gideon who would be the two to perpetuate said hypothetical storyline due to some foreshadowing that occurred when the Gatewatch was founded back in Oath of The Gatewatch. That foreshadowing first occurs in the story “Brink of Extinction” where Jace realizes he needs to keep something in mind about Gideon.
“You gave your word?” said Gideon. Breaking a promise didn’t seem to sit well with him, a fact Jace would have to keep in mind.
Now I know it’s subtle, but when I first read this story this line stood out to me, because it seemed to be hinting at something, at least to me. Then later on in “Zendikar Resurgent” other things from Jace’s point of view stood out to me.
“Jace ought to be able to replicate the effect with telepathy, to work from people’s thoughts the right thing to say or do to give them solace and comfort. To make people trust him. But Gideon wasn’t a telepath, and everyone knew that. Gideon just knew what to say/ Maybe that was why it worked. Maybe Jace should leave charisma to the charismatic and focus on arming Gideon with the best possible information to make those honest, forthright decisions of his. Jace felt a pang of guilt, already making plans to win Gideon over in some imaginary future argument to bring others around. But then, that’s what Jace was always doing. Making plans.”
Now this is where I really saw the potential for a break within the Gatewatch, new as it may have been at this time. Jace may always be making plans, but it seemed plausible and likely that something would cause this scenario to happen, and Jace was already thinking of ways to convince, or manipulate Gideon to win him over.
Later on in the same story this appears, also foreshadowing a potential conflict within the group:
‘“Those oaths we took,” said Gideon. “They’re not all alike, because we’re not all alike.” That fact hadn’t escaped Jace. It was a way for one oath to bind four very different people-until “Justice and peace” and “the sake of the multiverse” didn’t line up. But they could deal with that when it came.”
Also throughout the Kaladesh storyline there have been references to Jace and Gideon overstepping each other on the leadership of the Gatewatch, as mentioned by Dovin Baan, and it shows weakness within the group. Either way, unintentionally, Gideon and Jace both think they are the one in charge of the Gatewatch.
Again. this is all speculation, and the weaknesses within the group could be just because they are still so new and working out how to be more unified and organized or as I’ve shown, it could be foreshadowing a potential inner conflict between these very different Planeswalkers, a conflict that could have disastrous effects on their relationships with one other…or even impact different worlds within the Multiverse.
In my opinion the loudest “hint” for the civil war was given to us by Ob Nixilis. He planted the seed of suspicion in Gideon and it was successful enough to distract him during a serious battle. Gideon’s beliefs drag the group down in terms of using their powers. And while he kinda figured things out with Chandra, I believe there will be a time when he won’t be okay with Liliana raising a dead person or Jace going from surveillance and deception to direct mind control.
Also there’s always Liliana. Sooner or later she will demand help in her demon slaying quest and I don’t think anyone is going to be on board with that right from the start. But at the end of the demon hunt there will definitely be cracks in the glass. Speaking of the demon hunt, I got a little idea, a speculation if you may. Just give me some time.
The Gatewatch Civil War will be Jace having to choose between Gideon and Liliana. It’s his ally colors, he has a history with Liliana and so on. Some day Liliana will ask Jace for help in such a way that Gideon will be against it. And that will be the conflict; which will then spread to Chandra and Nissa. Nissa will side with Gideon and Chandra will side with Liliana. It’s the colorpie. And it’s going to be epic!
Then what about Ajani?
SPOILER ALERT.
According to the Kaladesh MTG artbook, Ajani will go off to gather new allies. As such we will not see Ajani in the near future.
Ah, ok. So Ajani is gonna go gather more planeswalkers to join. But we don’t even really know if there will be a Civil War, so if there was, wouldn’t it be farther down the line than where we are now (hopefully)? Also, I don’t believe that Chandra would join Lilliana. I think that Nissa and Chandra will try to stay out of the way. Idk. I think that they don’t want the fighting, <i> especially</i> Nissa, so they won’t fight. And then there is the way that Gideon and Lilliana would have a falling out. Maybe Lilliana starts recruiting kinda shady characters, and Gideon starts trying to dictate who can join and who can’t? That upsets Lilliana, who then starts trying to get Jace to change Gideon’s mind about some of the new recruits? Then Gideon catches on to this, and gets upset, thus beginning their fight? Something along those lines?
Possibly. I don't think Chandra and Nissa wil actually fight. But their relationship will be put to a test; as Chandra can see where Liliana is coming from and Nissa cannot.
I actually think the Gatewatch Civil War will come fairly soon. Not in Amonkhet, and probably not the block after, but then it will be about time.
My prediction for the Amonkhet story is that the Gatewatch will go there, face Nicol Bolas, ultimately lose the fight and barely escape alive. This will put the relationship between the Gatewatch to a test.
Why I Believe That Jace and Gideon Would Start The Gatewatch Civil War
So not too long ago some people on Tumblr started talking about a potential Civil War story line for the Gatewatch, and I mentioned that I thought it was Jace and Gideon who would be the two to perpetuate said hypothetical storyline due to some foreshadowing that occurred when the Gatewatch was founded back in Oath of The Gatewatch. That foreshadowing first occurs in the story “Brink of Extinction” where Jace realizes he needs to keep something in mind about Gideon.
“You gave your word?” said Gideon. Breaking a promise didn’t seem to sit well with him, a fact Jace would have to keep in mind.
Now I know it’s subtle, but when I first read this story this line stood out to me, because it seemed to be hinting at something, at least to me. Then later on in “Zendikar Resurgent” other things from Jace’s point of view stood out to me.
“Jace ought to be able to replicate the effect with telepathy, to work from people’s thoughts the right thing to say or do to give them solace and comfort. To make people trust him. But Gideon wasn’t a telepath, and everyone knew that. Gideon just knew what to say/ Maybe that was why it worked. Maybe Jace should leave charisma to the charismatic and focus on arming Gideon with the best possible information to make those honest, forthright decisions of his. Jace felt a pang of guilt, already making plans to win Gideon over in some imaginary future argument to bring others around. But then, that’s what Jace was always doing. Making plans.”
Now this is where I really saw the potential for a break within the Gatewatch, new as it may have been at this time. Jace may always be making plans, but it seemed plausible and likely that something would cause this scenario to happen, and Jace was already thinking of ways to convince, or manipulate Gideon to win him over.
Later on in the same story this appears, also foreshadowing a potential conflict within the group:
‘“Those oaths we took,” said Gideon. “They’re not all alike, because we’re not all alike.” That fact hadn’t escaped Jace. It was a way for one oath to bind four very different people-until “Justice and peace” and “the sake of the multiverse” didn’t line up. But they could deal with that when it came.”
Also throughout the Kaladesh storyline there have been references to Jace and Gideon overstepping each other on the leadership of the Gatewatch, as mentioned by Dovin Baan, and it shows weakness within the group. Either way, unintentionally, Gideon and Jace both think they are the one in charge of the Gatewatch.
Again. this is all speculation, and the weaknesses within the group could be just because they are still so new and working out how to be more unified and organized or as I’ve shown, it could be foreshadowing a potential inner conflict between these very different Planeswalkers, a conflict that could have disastrous effects on their relationships with one other…or even impact different worlds within the Multiverse.
In my opinion the loudest “hint” for the civil war was given to us by Ob Nixilis. He planted the seed of suspicion in Gideon and it was successful enough to distract him during a serious battle. Gideon’s beliefs drag the group down in terms of using their powers. And while he kinda figured things out with Chandra, I believe there will be a time when he won’t be okay with Liliana raising a dead person or Jace going from surveillance and deception to direct mind control.
Also there’s always Liliana. Sooner or later she will demand help in her demon slaying quest and I don’t think anyone is going to be on board with that right from the start. But at the end of the demon hunt there will definitely be cracks in the glass. Speaking of the demon hunt, I got a little idea, a speculation if you may. Just give me some time.
The Gatewatch Civil War will be Jace having to choose between Gideon and Liliana. It’s his ally colors, he has a history with Liliana and so on. Some day Liliana will ask Jace for help in such a way that Gideon will be against it. And that will be the conflict; which will then spread to Chandra and Nissa. Nissa will side with Gideon and Chandra will side with Liliana. It’s the colorpie. And it’s going to be epic!
Hmm…I know I was against Liliana as a catalyst….but this makes a little sense..Chandra I’m not sure if she would go with Jace and Liliana..but you know…Grixis haha…..
If Liliana sets it up as a fight for freedom (from demonic masters, but still); Chandra will stand with Liliana. It's after all her (the color red's) ultimate goal.
Gideon and Nissa will probably not be against Lilianas demonhunt in principle. But they will be against the way to get there.
Why I Believe That Jace and Gideon Would Start The Gatewatch Civil War
So not too long ago some people on Tumblr started talking about a potential Civil War story line for the Gatewatch, and I mentioned that I thought it was Jace and Gideon who would be the two to perpetuate said hypothetical storyline due to some foreshadowing that occurred when the Gatewatch was founded back in Oath of The Gatewatch. That foreshadowing first occurs in the story “Brink of Extinction” where Jace realizes he needs to keep something in mind about Gideon.
“You gave your word?” said Gideon. Breaking a promise didn’t seem to sit well with him, a fact Jace would have to keep in mind.
Now I know it’s subtle, but when I first read this story this line stood out to me, because it seemed to be hinting at something, at least to me. Then later on in “Zendikar Resurgent” other things from Jace’s point of view stood out to me.
“Jace ought to be able to replicate the effect with telepathy, to work from people’s thoughts the right thing to say or do to give them solace and comfort. To make people trust him. But Gideon wasn’t a telepath, and everyone knew that. Gideon just knew what to say/ Maybe that was why it worked. Maybe Jace should leave charisma to the charismatic and focus on arming Gideon with the best possible information to make those honest, forthright decisions of his. Jace felt a pang of guilt, already making plans to win Gideon over in some imaginary future argument to bring others around. But then, that’s what Jace was always doing. Making plans.”
Now this is where I really saw the potential for a break within the Gatewatch, new as it may have been at this time. Jace may always be making plans, but it seemed plausible and likely that something would cause this scenario to happen, and Jace was already thinking of ways to convince, or manipulate Gideon to win him over.
Later on in the same story this appears, also foreshadowing a potential conflict within the group:
‘“Those oaths we took,” said Gideon. “They’re not all alike, because we’re not all alike.” That fact hadn’t escaped Jace. It was a way for one oath to bind four very different people-until “Justice and peace” and “the sake of the multiverse” didn’t line up. But they could deal with that when it came.”
Also throughout the Kaladesh storyline there have been references to Jace and Gideon overstepping each other on the leadership of the Gatewatch, as mentioned by Dovin Baan, and it shows weakness within the group. Either way, unintentionally, Gideon and Jace both think they are the one in charge of the Gatewatch.
Again. this is all speculation, and the weaknesses within the group could be just because they are still so new and working out how to be more unified and organized or as I’ve shown, it could be foreshadowing a potential inner conflict between these very different Planeswalkers, a conflict that could have disastrous effects on their relationships with one other…or even impact different worlds within the Multiverse.
In my opinion the loudest “hint” for the civil war was given to us by Ob Nixilis. He planted the seed of suspicion in Gideon and it was successful enough to distract him during a serious battle. Gideon’s beliefs drag the group down in terms of using their powers. And while he kinda figured things out with Chandra, I believe there will be a time when he won’t be okay with Liliana raising a dead person or Jace going from surveillance and deception to direct mind control.
Also there’s always Liliana. Sooner or later she will demand help in her demon slaying quest and I don’t think anyone is going to be on board with that right from the start. But at the end of the demon hunt there will definitely be cracks in the glass. Speaking of the demon hunt, I got a little idea, a speculation if you may. Just give me some time.
The Gatewatch Civil War will be Jace having to choose between Gideon and Liliana. It’s his ally colors, he has a history with Liliana and so on. Some day Liliana will ask Jace for help in such a way that Gideon will be against it. And that will be the conflict; which will then spread to Chandra and Nissa. Nissa will side with Gideon and Chandra will side with Liliana. It’s the colorpie. And it’s going to be epic!
Then what about Ajani?
SPOILER ALERT.
According to the Kaladesh MTG artbook, Ajani will go off to gather new allies. As such we will not see Ajani in the near future.