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THE CORE FOUR: Buffy, Willow, Xander, & Giles
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER (1997–2003)
I have kind of a niche political view on tumblr, which is that I think misogyny is bad even when it’s just hurting women
and I don’t even think it needs to have a singular benefit for men for feminism and the abolition of patriarchy to be worthwhile
in fact the abolition of patriarchy could be a net loss for men and I would still think that feminism and the abolition of patriarchy was worth it
The thing about movies directed by a famous older white guy starring a famous older white guy is you don't have to go see them. This is relevant every year.
often you will see things online where you just have to be like "what a strange thing to say" or "i don't think that's true :)" to yourself and try to move on or you will lose your mind
Both Watsonian and Doylist readings of a piece of fiction can be appropriate in different contexts. Sometimes it makes sense to talk about the characters in a story as if they were real people with motivations and inner lives. That is the surface level on which most works of fiction are intended to be enjoyed! Sometimes it makes sense to admit that the whole thing is something somebody made up and the characters are described as doing things only because that advances the story being told. That is the actual truth, after all.
But there's a very irritating rhetorical trick a lot of you like to deploy, one which I wish wasn't so popular on here: a sort of ad hoc tactical retreat to Doylism.
This is a gambit that is played in the middle of a discussion about a piece of fiction in which everybody involved has implicitly agreed to adopt a purely Watsonian reading. At the very instant it's suggested a character you personally like or sympathize with might have done something bad, you suddenly insist on reminding everybody that none of this is real and the character only did the alleged bad things because the awful writers "made them do it". And then, having derailed the conversation this way, you go back to ... talking about what a nice person the character actually is, now just as much of a Watsonian as you were before.
Of course it is literally true that the character only does bad things "because the writer(s) made him¹ do it". That's the only reason any character in the work does (or says, or feels, or secretly thinks) anything at all. There's no real moral consequence to anything good or bad a character does, outside the entirely fictional universe it happens in. But the idea you can somehow excise only the actions you dislike this way, then go back to talking about the work from a purely Watsonian perspective ... that's just bizarre to me. And yet so many of you do it constantly.
Once you pull out the "it's just a story, none of it's real" card, you can longer talk about any characters on the show being good or bad people. Because you've accepted that they are not, in fact, people at all. They are constructs. Plot devices. They don't exist. But so many people on here seem to (at least implicitly) think they can use a Doylist reading as a kind of scalpel to cut away the parts of a character's arc or personality they don't like, then carry on discussing the work from the perspective of Dr Watson.
"Why is Holmes so upset with Professor Moriarty killing all those people? Doesn't he realize that that lazy hack writer Arthur Conan Doyle made him do it?" Well, you see, from the perspective of fictional character Sherlock Holmes, those fictional murders are as real as anything else he can ever react to. Indeed, he's only "upset" at all because the writer also made him react that way. There's no context in which he as an autonomous individual can react to the interventions of Arthur Conan Doyle.
If you, as a writer, tell a story in which a character murders several people, it is obviously true that no real crime has been committed. It is true that the character only killed anybody because you thought it would advance the story somehow. But it is still true that -- within the context of the story -- that character is now a murderer. That is as much a part of the character as anything else real about them. Yes, the murders happened because that was the story the writer wanted to tell. But that means the writer has told a story about a murderer. You cannot praise Professor Moriarty's brilliant academic career (which the writer made up) but ignore or discount his criminal activities purely on the grounds that the writer (also) made them up. Neither one of them is somehow "more real" than the other.
That is -- no, I'm wrong. Clearly you can do this, I've seen it. I just wish you wouldn't, because it's very silly.
You are not engaged in some form of deep literary analysis just because you want to discuss the story as if it was about real people you like but don't want to admit they ever do anything unpleasant or have any flaws.
I do kind of love the way the Buffy wiki just treats citations as a kind of meaningless punctuation; something you sprinkle in here and there to look more credible and which may or may not have any bearing on what you're actually asserting as fact.
For example, from the article on Rupert Giles, we have:
"Giles accepted his destiny of becoming a Watcher in 1980 [35]" [35] Welcome to the Hellmouth
So our source for the very specific claim that "Giles accepted his destiny of becoming a Watcher in 1980" is ... the very first episode of the show. Which doesn't have anything to say about Giles' backstory, or about how he became a Watcher, or suggest any reason he might have struggled "accepting his destiny", or of course mention anything at all that happened in the year 1980.
Good. Fine. Sure. Pardon me for making the mistake of asking, I guess.
The idea that Rupert Giles, a man who -- among other things -- we know:
went to a 'public' (i.e. fee-paying, non-state, probably boarding) school in England
went to Oxford University in the 1970s (a time when both Oxford and Cambridge were even more socially exclusive than they are today)
is familiar with activities such as rugby and kayaking and has a personal collection of first editions and wears tweed and is frequently accused by people who know him of being a snob
has enough money to casually buy first a BMW convertible and then a shop, both largely on the spur of the moment, after over a year of unemployment, during which time he seemed entirely uninterested in looking for a new job
shows no signs of ever being frugal or careful with money, or indeed (until Season 6, and then only once) any awareness that a lack of money could be a problem for anybody else
says things like "what I'm proposing, and I don't mean to appear indecorous, is a social engagement, if you're amenable" and "my father gave me a very tiresome speech about responsibility and sacrifice" and "it's a sacred duty, which shouldn't prevent you from eventually procuring some more gainful form of employment", all delivered in an accent noticeably more posh than his actor's normal middle-class speaking voice
has the first name 'Rupert'
is coded as anything other than being born into generational wealth is, I'll admit, a new one to me. I can't say I'm glad to have been introduced to it, exactly, but I certainly can't deny that I have been.
christopher nolan is so stupid it’s actually kind of breathtaking
They need to stop letting Christopher Nolan make films.
@copperbadge this seems up your alley
If the system ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess! Accounting may not be the oldest profession, but someone had to keep the books for them.
I mean, in theory I know that Excel is based on the structure of earlier accounting technology that's been around for hundreds of years -- what do we think we did to track commerce before computers? -- but it still kind of blows my mind to, for example, look at my ancestor's journal from a whaling voyage in 1770 and see spreadsheets in the back.
Mentioned this in passing in my big post about the episode, but I wanted to pull this out into its own thing.
A lot of people will tell you that Revelations is the episode where the gang find out that Angel is 'back from hell' or more generally 'back from the dead'. This has been the standard reading of the episode for at least a couple of decades, possibly longer. It's how Noel Murray of the Onion's AV Club summarized the episode back in 2009 ("the news breaks in Revelations that Angel is alive again"); it's how Passion of the Nerd recapped the episode in 2016 ("Xander tells [Faith] about a back-from-the-dead Angel"); it's how IMDB currently summarizes this episode ("all of [Buffy's] friends [are] angry and upset that [she] didn't tell them about Angel's return from hell").
But I think that reading of Revelations is ... not actually true? It's certainly not the language anybody other than (perhaps) Buffy uses in the episode. Not for the first time, I think people are describing a slightly different episode than the one that actually exists.
Revelations is the episode in which Buffy's friends find out that Angel isn't dead. And yes, I appreciate that that seems superficially similar to the claims above. And yes, the reason Angel is back in Sunnydale and no longer dead is because (for some reason yet to be explained¹) he somehow escaped from hell a few months ago. But Buffy's friends do not know this! They do not ask about it! It would be absurd for them to somehow intuit that that's what happened on the basis of what evidence they do have.
From the perspective of, say, Giles or Willow, the timeline is as follows:
In Becoming, Buffy went to fight Angel. After the fight, there was no sign of either one of them. They didn't know what had happened to the two of them, but Willow speculated that perhaps her attempt to restore Angel's soul had worked and they'd left to be "alone together". They wouldn't see Buffy again for months.
In Faith, Hope & Trick Buffy tells them both that Willow's spell to restore Angel's soul worked, but she was forced to kill him. (She uses the word killed three times to describe what she did. "Next time I kill Angel, I'll video it." and later "When I killed him, Angel was cured." and then "I told him that I loved him, and I kissed him. And I killed him.") She mentions Angel being drawn into a hell dimension once, yes, but the main claim she repeatedly makes is that Angel is not alive.
In Revelations, Xander sees Buffy and a very-much-alive Angel kissing. Kissing in the very mansion where Angel supposedly died six months earlier. He immediately tells Giles, who tells the others.
I think the evidence is pretty clear that the conclusion that they then leap to -- which is, indeed, the only reasonable one -- and the reason Giles accuses Buffy of lying to him, is not "Angel died but somehow he got better and Buffy hasn't told us yet". It is that Buffy hasn't been honest about what happened in Becoming. Their conclusion is not "Buffy has been lying [by omission? off-screen?] by not announcing that her ex-boyfriend has returned from hell". Rather it is: "Buffy was lying to protect Angel when she told us that she killed him: he has never been dead but merely left town for a while."
This doesn't seem to be how anybody else interprets this episode -- a lot of reviews of this episode, and not just the ones I quoted earlier, will confidently assert that Xander tells the gang that Angel is "back from the dead", for example -- but I think it's the only reading that actually fits the text.
Let's look at what people who aren't Buffy say about Angel.
Giles, first. "We know Angel is alive. [...] It would appear that you've been hiding him and that you lied to us." Then later, when it's just the two of them: "You should have told me he was alive. You didn't." No word of Angel being "back". A very clear statement that Buffy has lied. We might ask then: lied about what? Lied when? Well, I think "lied directly about killing Angel" makes a lot more sense than "lied [by choosing to keep a secret which nobody ever thought to ask about]". If we assume that Giles believes Buffy did kill Angel, and that she wasn't lying about anything then, what lie precisely has she since told?
Or let's look at Xander and Faith's conversation later. Xander tells Faith he has some "real news: Angel's still alive". Not that he's back from hell: merely that he was alive and he continues to be. Faith is shocked to learn that "Buffy knew he was alive". Not that he recovered from being dead, but that he isn't dead.
None of the others talk about Angel being "back", either. Willow tells Buffy that she understands that "you were scared, you kept a secret", but there's no indication either way as to how long Willow thinks Buffy has been keeping a secret. And Willow, despite being friendly towards Buffy, doesn't ask about when Angel "came back". Despite being interested in magic she doesn't ask how he came back. She shows no sign, in fact, of thinking he "came back" at all.
True, Buffy herself says that Angel is "back" during the intervention scene, but she doesn't clarify what he's "back" from. Back from the dead? Back from his adventures in hell? Or, as Xander later says when he's talking to Faith, merely "back in town"?
Go back and watch the episode. Nobody asks Buffy how or when Angel came from the dead, or if she knows why or how that happened. These are all very pertinent questions if they believe her transgression is not promptly telling them Angel has returned from hell. (For all Giles knows, if we assume he takes for granted that Angel was originally dead, Angel only came back from hell only last night, and Buffy was just about to tell him about it. Does his speech to Buffy suggest he's considered this possibility? If not, why not?)
They don't ask those questions. They have no reason to. They don't ask how long Buffy has known Angel was alive again. They don't wonder if anybody else might be able to come back from the dead. Because as far as they're concerned, they've just found out that Angel wasn't ever dead.
It will never be explained, at least not on Buffy.
You will probably hate me a great deal of the time (S3E07)
This week's episode is the debut writing credit for the second of this season's new writers. And while Jane Espenson's episodes this season are notable for a lack of Faith, the same can't be said of Doug Petrie's episodes.
Like Espenson, Petrie wrote three episodes this season: Revelations, Bad Girls and Enemies. Faith is a key character in all three, and all three are very significant episodes for Faith's arc this season. Petrie would go on to write Faith's return in This Year's Girl next season and (although I cannot prove there's a causal connection) it doesn't exactly seem like a coincidence that Petrie was a cowriter of both Checkpoint (in which Faith is mentioned for the first and indeed only time in Season 5) and Bring On The Night (in which Faith is mentioned for the first time in over forty episodes).
Petrie's writing debut is also notable for a significant increase in what he himself would later describe as the "lesbian subtext" between Buffy and Faith. Of course exhibit A is Buffy (largely unprompted) bringing up the idea of "going out with" Faith when her friends ask if she's dating anyone (and exhibit B is the surprised/disappointed look on Faith's face when she clarifies that they're really "just good friends"). But in the wider scheme of things, it's hard not to notice that the episode reminds us of Xander's crush on Buffy, and makes it clear that this is why he's so quick to assume the worst of Angel, and then has Faith react almost exactly the same way to finding out that Buffy's vampire ex is back in town ("Buffy knew he was alive [...] I can't believe her.")
The other highlight of this episode, to me, is the character of Gwendolyn Post. It's no exaggeration to say she's one of my favorite one-off villains. I think she might be my favorite one-off character on the whole show, actually. It always makes me a little sad when I see people saying that they don't like her because she's mean or sarcastic or makes Giles feel bad about the size of his book collection. That's why she's fun! That's the appeal! (Also, she's not being rude or dismissive for no reason: it's a very deliberate strategy to keep Giles off balance and stop him from thinking things through. But, to be clear, I would support her doing it even if this wasn't true.)
The downside, of course, is that Mrs Post's big evil scheme does not seem to have been thought through very carefully. I mean, I assume it would be nice to be able to summon lightning to destroy your enemies. It certainly looks fun! But I'm not sure it's obviously worth the trade-off of being forced to wear a giant metal gauntlet on your arm for the rest of your life, or having storm clouds constantly follow you around, or being very obviously evil while doing so.
(This is why Mrs Post and the Mayor should have teamed up: they are both fans of elaborate, long-running evil plans that require deception and hiding in plain sight and gathering powerful magical artifacts and getting a vampire slayer to do your dirty work for you and which, ultimately, don't really have the pay-off to remotely justify any of this.)
Writers, which software do you use?
Google docs
Microsoft word
Ellipsus
Libre office - writer
Notepad (the fuck is wrong with you lol)
Pages
Other (comment, please, esp if you recommend it)
Checking results
I used to use Google docs, but the white mode only was really annoying me (tires my eyes), so I swapped to Ellipsus (which I genuinely love and recommend), but it was bothering me a bit that I need wifi in order to use it, so now I switched to LibreOffice Writer, which I do like.
It very much has a Microsoft Word feel, but is open source and you need no accounts to use it. It's local on your device, so no AI can scan it, and no wifi is needed.
I still wish it had the Google Docs cards, because, bitch, that thing is so good for easy organizing.
we're moving to an internet where children would be banned from reaching out for help and friendship online but abusive parents can post their children's every second online to humiliate and expose them for money with no pushback
just saw pictures from mike flanagan carrie
okay serious fucking question, must he de-fang every female character he touches?
mike, it's actually more interesting for audiences that margaret is an abusive religious fundie (and also a victim of marital rape) who tries to literally beat the idea of sin into her daughter, it is actually TIMELY to adapt that correctly at this particular american moment. WHY is he so scared of every piece of source material that has ever been handed to him? i MUST know
you're laughing, mike flanagan wants to do gilmore girls with telekinetic rage and you're laughing
what if carrie was about a young witch searching for a missing cat in the alps