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Also if you care abt my opinions i have #my theories on my posts that i think are relevant 😓
this has probably been said but i really think that Ralsei is kris' red horned headband from when they were younger, and kind of an embodiment what kris was expecting to become when they grew up, with the personalities with everyone in their family.
Like they thought that they would grow up to be a kind fuzzy monster, and that they would eventually grow out of their cheeky phase because the niceness must be genetic right?
so to summarise: she DID overdo it in a very much uncharacteristic one-time-only way, she's not an alcoholic, kris was never locked out of the house (they pretended to be as part of their plan to get susie to the church dark world), toriel DID try to call, she WAS worried, sans told her he saw kris and susie hanging out and not to worry and let them spend time by themselves since they're teenagers and THAT'S when she let herself get loose, she DID realise she made susie uncomfortable and feels bad about it and hopes she didn't push her away and that she'll be back because she likes having her around, she DID notice kris was upset, her air of middle class respectability is a façade and she's probably struggling with her finances just as much as asgore, she's just more careful with her money. also sans stocked up her fridge and took out the trash before he left (my man🤝)
TLDR: never fucking doubt me again. big analysis papy untouchable
OMG CHAPTER 5 IS LITERALLY THE UNDERTALE CHAPTER I AM FREAKING OUT SO BAD RN SJFVNJDN im gonna try go in order of things that i noticed but guys oh my freaking gosh (sorry for SPAG mistakes i cant care less atm cuz WTFLIP)
1ST THING, THE SANS STALL
I played the normal route and watched some of the weird route and i think you having to draw the 3 of you on the punch card/ discount card is something nessesary in playing the game, to be able to link it directly to undertale. (From what ive seen you have to do it in the weird route cuz i havent done much research in the normal route as ive only done one play through atm, so maybe the weird route is the route that is canon in terms of linking it to undertale).
if you cant remember how this links, the when you go into the skelebros basement after doing the silly codewords, you see a lab. and in one of the draws in the lab you can find a picture of three smiling faces on it, with ''do not forget'' written on the paper. in addition to some of sans dialogue in UT we know he says that he 'cant go back' and has obvious knowledge of timetimes. the theory is that sans in UT is initally from DR and due to some problems with gaster(? supposedly) he found himself in this new alternate universe/ timeline. so with more context out of deltarune we have now confirmed that 2/3 of the smiling faces are susie and kris, where before it was suspected to be sans, papyrus and gaster, or sans with his old science team from when he was sciency.
2ND THING, (i think my recollation becomes fuzzy around now) FLOWERY
GUYS LBFF HE IS GOLDEN FLOWER AND IS LITERALLY CALLED FLOWERY.
he is literally flowey equivalent. floweys theme song plays in the battle against him. he pisses me off so much. i dont think i need a crazy explaination for this icl. HE ALSO CHEATS IN THE GAME LIKE FLOWEY TOLD US ABOUT, AND HE CALLS HIMSELF OMEGA FLOWERY BEFORE HIS FINAL BIG MOMENT IN HIS BATTLE TOO HELLO????
slight add on: he literally says pacifist root. hehehaha funny pun there tony cant see what u did there
3RD THING, THE FLOWERS
okay i dont think this is in order anymore and i dont think i have enough ss or pics from my game through but each flower and their colour matches the colour and soul trait of the souls in undertale. and theyre all represented as humans (a few children). and they live with asgore, as the fallen kids did in UT after they died. again i dont think much explaination is needed becuase this is THE FREAKING UNDERTALE CHAPTER AUAUGHHHH
they also all have their 'personalities too' like kindness being a cook and also being the only flower that doesnt want to hurt us, justice having a whole cowboy get up in both games, and perseverance being a little nerd. all the flowers at some point mention these character traits in their dialogue too.
4TH THING, ASGORE
i feel like im just pointing out the obvious here, but some people have shockingly not played or got into undertale before deltarune (which is very sad imo if this is you drop everything and play ut at LEAST twice)
ANYWAYS, the golden armour and him becoming a king in his dark world. his obsession over freedom and feeling responsible being the main factor of driving toriel away. being involved in some sketchy buisness (you could interpret his slight knowledge or hints at knowing more than he should in his fights in UT along with the child murder as sketchy too iyw). him being involved in the disaperance/ death of children ( the fallen souls UT and whats hinted at Dess DT). and finally his motif playing in DR briefly is more than enough proof.
okay i cant think of much else atm cuz im currently in the stage where ive only played a normal playthough, and am working on egging and secreting the other chps and doing the same for chp5 so if ive missed anything PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME
im not going to touch on the GROTESQUE THING WE CALL WEIRD ROUTE CHP5 and the lore for the normal chp bcs i havent fully wrapped my head around everything YET but golly... this was a good one.
BUT DELTARUNE IS A PREQEL TO UNDERTALE IN AN ALTERNTE TIMELINE THEORY??? MAYBE???? also susie calling the dark world home is so cute and i love yellow sm hes so goofy. ALSO TRANS RALSEI??? AFTER TRANS JAX??? OH MY :D
yeh i think that it
(sorry for not ranting all my tadc theories like i think i said i promised but oopsie doopsie i shall js reblog the things i said in my other acc lmaos)
ISTG IF ANY JAX HATER STARTS SAYING SHIT IM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW SHES 1/2 OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS AND LITERALLY REFLECTIVE OF GOOSE SO SHUT UP RN OFC SHES GONNA GET SCREEN TIME AND LOTS OF MERCH SHES A MAIN CHARCTER
ANYWAYS I KNEW SHE WAS HOMLESS BUT BOTH MOMMY AND DADDY ISSUES??? THE MILITARY UNIFORM??? BEING A MAILMAN??!?!?@*! IM CRYING RN IM SO HAPPY FOR HER OUTSIDE THE CIRCUS
ALSO I LOVE HOW WE GOT TO LEARN ABOUT A LOT MORE OF THE CHARCTERS AND RIBBITS PARENTS BEING MORMON OMG??
I also hope that they release the instagrams after the yt release cuz that would be amazing
ALSO I LOVE KAUFMO SO IM VERY HAPPY FOT THE KINDA LITTLE SCREENTIME HE HAD AND VERY HAPPY TO FINALLY SEE RIBBIT AND JAX SITUATKON
guys i fear im going to ramble more so be warned
Also yes jax abstracted i kinda screamed but km also happy with the way it 3nded
ALSO VERY HAPPY THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT WITH ANY CLIFFHANGERS OR MAJOR MISSING INFORMATION IM VERY PLEASED WITH THE WAY THEY FINISHED AND THE VUS SCENE
Isnt she lovely i just had to go back to correct jaxs pronouns AND THAT ONE FANCOMIC OF FUNNYBUNNY OF HOW AM I GONNA TELL HER IM A LESBIAN IYKYK
So glad kinger cleared up the MINDFILES STUFF I LIKE THAT WAY MORE THAN THE THEORY I WAS DIEHARD ON BCS IT ACTUALLY GIVES A SATISFYING ENDING
Omg the time loop of kinger putting scratch into the circus like that FUCKING SCENE FROM INTERSTELLAR AAAAA OMG OMG THE AI PART HE RELEASED OUT INTO THE VOID COULDVE MAINIFESTED INTO THE CAINE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE CIRCUS TO COMPLETE THE LOOP IM DYING
Also live the building back the circus scene sm with kinger and pomni I LOVE MY GIRL POMNI SO SO MUCH AAA
The fishes at the beginning omfg 🥹 he didnt like the darkness guys 😖😖
THE MUSIC AS WELL I REMEMBER LISTENING TO THE TEASER MUSIC THING EXPECTING SOMETHING DARK AND BAD BUT IT WAS JUST A NICE ENDING
AND THE ENDING REFLECTED THE BEGINNING TO IM REALLY REALLY HAPPY THE DINNER TABLE AND SONG
Im also ESTACTIC that caine is back because i loved him so much AND HIM BUILDING HIS WAY TO THE DOOR LITTERALLY GOT ME OUT OF MY SEAT
A lot of things got me out of my seat actuallu ESPECIALLY ALL THE JAX PERSONALITYS
LOONEY TOONS
POMNI AND JAX MIRRORINH QUEENIE AND KINGER TOO MADE ME CRY
Guys i acc need to calm down amd i didnt think id talk abt jax sm
Ill probably remember more stuff to talk about so ill rant more later but idk 🥹
But overall im so happy they were able to make peace and that it was a haply end and i feel so bad for goose for how this was leaked and all the negative attention but i hope now this is officially out there will be more positive attention🙏🙏
Guys im going to explode
Edit: the google scene in the credits im crine
I LOVED THE CREDITS AND THE MONTAGE OF THEM BEING SILLY IN THE CIRCUS WITH CAINR AND IM SO HAPPY HES A PART OF THEM NOW PRETTY MUCH LIKE HE ALWAYS WANTED
Not rlly tadc spoiler but i want to say that i love the way the characters were portrayed and the endling was so satisfying amd sublime. Do not fall the propaganda made by the jax haters that the movie was bad.
GUYS THIS IS JUST A BETTER LESS TARGETING EXPLAINATION OF MY VIEW AROUND THE WHOLE JAX THING (ignore last bit on 2nd ss cuz it was a danny motta video :'))
ITS HARD TO READ THE 2ND ONE BUT I FEEL THATS THE MORE IMPORTANT ONE SO PLEASE DO.
and know if you js dont like the show in general then ofc thats a valid opinion <3
someone mentioned how caine started to sound less animated and more normal throughout the episodes
And the scratch abstraction was mentioned after caine saying that there are limits or consequences to his power or the overuse of it
What if scratch was in the same position or a co host with caine but became too empathetic and too human like and the consequences were abstraction, but does that mean ai can abstract too? Or is caine even an ai? Or was he human and 'lost track' of whether hes ai or human over the years
Idk gang but i feel like theres some significance here
Also saw some theories abt jax having a sister or daughter which is why hes so touchy abiut femininty and masculinity ORRRR that he was a child coming into the circus, which explains the childish room, and his masculinity thing ties into maturity and becoming a man
But idk guys im just documenting all my thoughts here 😓
OMG CHAPTER 5 IS LITERALLY THE UNDERTALE CHAPTER I AM FREAKING OUT SO BAD RN SJFVNJDN im gonna try go in order of things that i noticed but guys oh my freaking gosh (sorry for SPAG mistakes i cant care less atm cuz WTFLIP)
1ST THING, THE SANS STALL
I played the normal route and watched some of the weird route and i think you having to draw the 3 of you on the punch card/ discount card is something nessesary in playing the game, to be able to link it directly to undertale. (From what ive seen you have to do it in the weird route cuz i havent done much research in the normal route as ive only done one play through atm, so maybe the weird route is the route that is canon in terms of linking it to undertale).
if you cant remember how this links, the when you go into the skelebros basement after doing the silly codewords, you see a lab. and in one of the draws in the lab you can find a picture of three smiling faces on it, with ''do not forget'' written on the paper. in addition to some of sans dialogue in UT we know he says that he 'cant go back' and has obvious knowledge of timetimes. the theory is that sans in UT is initally from DR and due to some problems with gaster(? supposedly) he found himself in this new alternate universe/ timeline. so with more context out of deltarune we have now confirmed that 2/3 of the smiling faces are susie and kris, where before it was suspected to be sans, papyrus and gaster, or sans with his old science team from when he was sciency.
2ND THING, (i think my recollation becomes fuzzy around now) FLOWERY
GUYS LBFF HE IS GOLDEN FLOWER AND IS LITERALLY CALLED FLOWERY.
he is literally flowey equivalent. floweys theme song plays in the battle against him. he pisses me off so much. i dont think i need a crazy explaination for this icl. HE ALSO CHEATS IN THE GAME LIKE FLOWEY TOLD US ABOUT, AND HE CALLS HIMSELF OMEGA FLOWERY BEFORE HIS FINAL BIG MOMENT IN HIS BATTLE TOO HELLO????
slight add on: he literally says pacifist root. hehehaha funny pun there tony cant see what u did there
3RD THING, THE FLOWERS
okay i dont think this is in order anymore and i dont think i have enough ss or pics from my game through but each flower and their colour matches the colour and soul trait of the souls in undertale. and theyre all represented as humans (a few children). and they live with asgore, as the fallen kids did in UT after they died. again i dont think much explaination is needed becuase this is THE FREAKING UNDERTALE CHAPTER AUAUGHHHH
they also all have their 'personalities too' like kindness being a cook and also being the only flower that doesnt want to hurt us, justice having a whole cowboy get up in both games, and perseverance being a little nerd. all the flowers at some point mention these character traits in their dialogue too.
4TH THING, ASGORE
i feel like im just pointing out the obvious here, but some people have shockingly not played or got into undertale before deltarune (which is very sad imo if this is you drop everything and play ut at LEAST twice)
ANYWAYS, the golden armour and him becoming a king in his dark world. his obsession over freedom and feeling responsible being the main factor of driving toriel away. being involved in some sketchy buisness (you could interpret his slight knowledge or hints at knowing more than he should in his fights in UT along with the child murder as sketchy too iyw). him being involved in the disaperance/ death of children ( the fallen souls UT and whats hinted at Dess DT). and finally his motif playing in DR briefly is more than enough proof.
okay i cant think of much else atm cuz im currently in the stage where ive only played a normal playthough, and am working on egging and secreting the other chps and doing the same for chp5 so if ive missed anything PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME
im not going to touch on the GROTESQUE THING WE CALL WEIRD ROUTE CHP5 and the lore for the normal chp bcs i havent fully wrapped my head around everything YET but golly... this was a good one.
BUT DELTARUNE IS A PREQEL TO UNDERTALE IN AN ALTERNTE TIMELINE THEORY??? MAYBE???? also susie calling the dark world home is so cute and i love yellow sm hes so goofy. ALSO TRANS RALSEI??? AFTER TRANS JAX??? OH MY :D
yeh i think that it
(sorry for not ranting all my tadc theories like i think i said i promised but oopsie doopsie i shall js reblog the things i said in my other acc lmaos)
someone mentioned how caine started to sound less animated and more normal throughout the episodes
And the scratch abstraction was mentioned after caine saying that there are limits or consequences to his power or the overuse of it
What if scratch was in the same position or a co host with caine but became too empathetic and too human like and the consequences were abstraction, but does that mean ai can abstract too? Or is caine even an ai? Or was he human and 'lost track' of whether hes ai or human over the years
Idk gang but i feel like theres some significance here
Also saw some theories abt jax having a sister or daughter which is why hes so touchy abiut femininty and masculinity ORRRR that he was a child coming into the circus, which explains the childish room, and his masculinity thing ties into maturity and becoming a man
But idk guys im just documenting all my thoughts here 😓
What if the first person who abstracted that kinger mentioned, scratch, are based on the coding site?
So if ANY BIT of what abel said was true (which I think it is) then I think this makes a lot of sense. If the first couple humans in the circus were programers who worked at C & A then the first person who abstracted's design could be based off of the scratch cat.
Or even if everything abel said was made up, it's still decently likely that one of the first people who stumbled across the computer and put the headset on, would be a programmer.
Also I think a character being based off of that cat would be pretty cute lol
am I the only one who's freaked out but rlly happy about Jax's flashback stuff being done in real life and not a type of animation.
also love how the whole episode accounted for everyone's theory's in the fandom and made a joke of it all... but it doesn't stop any of it being true *looking at glitch suspiciously*
ALSO JAX ALMOST ABSTRACTED WTF
but maybe Caine does have eyes everywhere and wanted Jax for the adventure which is why Pomni and able showed up at his door right on time... hmmm...
and I have a lot of opinions about this episode but lets not spiral rn
BUT I RLLY LIKED JAX THIS EPISODE EVEN AS A KINGER FAN 4LIFE
clapping my hands and giggling because undertale monsters use bullet patterns as a way to express themselves and their emotions so they'd have no reason to be so moralistic and strict about battling as a "bad" social interaction. except.