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sebastian: *slides paper across the table* I need you to break this person's leg
viola:
viola: This is a portrait of you
sebastian: antonio wants me to try Zumba
sebastian: Crushes are the worst.
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no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
@pathless-wood not really, a lot of classic american literature excludes poc, even when talking about class, or cariacturizes and stigmatizes us, so itâs not all that strange that op found it interesting that this piece of literature that had previously excluded them now applied to their experiences
Friar Lawrence: God, give me patience.
Romeo: I think you mean 'give me strength'.
Friar Lawrence: If God gave me strength, you'd be dead.
a thought: itâs never worth engaging with people who donât care about the truth, and who donât care about you.
people who demand you subscribe to their point of view/canât live with your free will, and people who insult you and call you names in an argument carte blanche, are two such people.
I had a conversation today and itâs like a microcosm of the country right now. for everyone who values truth and a good life: donât engage with people who donât value the truth and donât value you. no matter what they call you.
because they donât care. they pretend to be discussing âimportant topicsâ, but their real game is called âideological tyrannyâ. it means no disagreement, nothing individual. obey or perish. and if they canât win by slander, they try to win by force, because they can never win by reason, nor do they use reason themselves, in their arguments.
so my advice to you, dear people: donât play. not on the internet, and not in real life. :)
âŠ. I called you racist for saying that a symbol of a people who underwent a hundred years of genocide based on real people ho underwent hundreds of years of genocide was âovert nationalismâ
in the other conversation you didnât actually give any reason? I explained why i disagreed in a calm, polite, manner and asked that you werenât so rude about other opinions and you decided to take that as me attacking you.
youâre not a martyr here, youâre just someone who said dumb things on the internet and got mad when people responded negatively. thatâs not being the victim, thatâs being immature.
Damn, that was weird.
(a) you were right
(b) there are no WRONG interpretations. One can always ask for more proof to back up an interpretation but WRONG is a bit of a lazy label.
(c) if a person is intellectually lazy they shouldnt wade into a debate till they're ready to listen, assimilate, then add to the discourse.
exactly like itâs lit there are no wrong interpretations, and if you didnât want to engage in a conversation just? donât interact with the post? especially in such a rude way???
Sorry you had to deal with that person op, hope they get better đ
eh, Iâll survive :) all they did was make themselves look like an entitled jerk
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
hey on the flip side you can just walk away and let me interpret it differently and in your words, thatâs the âbeauty of literatureâ, yes I read your tags yes I COMPLETELY think youâre wrong no I donât hate you yes I will still say no to this faulty interpretation of gatsby and yet despite all these things I am not picking a fight and we can coexist in this wild world have a nice day.
wasnât picking a fight, just saying you could disagree but not be rude lmao
you could just stop being upset someone thinks your wrong forcefully and yet you continue. đ€Ą
you literally started this discussion? how am I the clown for responding to what I thought was intellectual discourse?
itâs not a discussion, youâre just wrong.
youâre free to think youâre not, or Iâm wild, or whatever.
I reblogged the post to my own blog. I didnât DM you. I just know youâre wrong.
the idea that the op ideologically owns the post and must respond, on this website, which is built on a unique model in which individuals may or may not reblog posts for their own use and benefit with their own personal additions whether or not the original poster is aware, is absolutely crazy. tumblrâs platform is specifically built for blog integration. not for âideological approvalâ on the contributions to a post.
if you donât like what Iâm saying, donât respond and let the thread âdieâ. itâs not a conversation. itâs a tumblr post. I already know you donât agree because you made the post which I disagreed with. Iâm not reblogging for your benefit or for your approval, or to hurt your feelings, which I did, apparently.
delete the post and block me then. this wasnât about you.
stopped reading after âitâs not a discussion, youâre just wrongâ so
so are you the racist now because youâre brushing off the actual conversation now that you begged for it due to the fact you BELIEVE im white or what
@staff heres an anti european racist in the tags
dude if youâre gonna stop just STOP. iâll do it for you oh my word!
the âactual conversationâ is about how the reading of tkam as an interracial romance paints mayella as a victim, when in reality the book is a critique of white womanhood which shows us that she is just as complicit in tomâs murder as her father and the other townsfolk. you chose to make it about me âpicking a fightâ
i assumed you were white because your take was just viscerally that of a white-centric feminist, and going by your reaction, i do not think i was wrong. you choosing to go to such lengths to act as though you commenting on a post about poc in classic american literature and then having people respond to said comment was âpicking a fightâ, only further backs this up.
you can be defensive all you want, but youâre not in the right here, youâre kinda just being a jerk
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
hey on the flip side you can just walk away and let me interpret it differently and in your words, thatâs the âbeauty of literatureâ, yes I read your tags yes I COMPLETELY think youâre wrong no I donât hate you yes I will still say no to this faulty interpretation of gatsby and yet despite all these things I am not picking a fight and we can coexist in this wild world have a nice day.
wasnât picking a fight, just saying you could disagree but not be rude lmao
you could just stop being upset someone thinks your wrong forcefully and yet you continue. đ€Ą
you literally started this discussion? how am I the clown for responding to what I thought was intellectual discourse?
itâs not a discussion, youâre just wrong.
youâre free to think youâre not, or Iâm wild, or whatever.
I reblogged the post to my own blog. I didnât DM you. I just know youâre wrong.
the idea that the op ideologically owns the post and must respond, on this website, which is built on a unique model in which individuals may or may not reblog posts for their own use and benefit with their own personal additions whether or not the original poster is aware, is absolutely crazy. tumblrâs platform is specifically built for blog integration. not for âideological approvalâ on the contributions to a post.
if you donât like what Iâm saying, donât respond and let the thread âdieâ. itâs not a conversation. itâs a tumblr post. I already know you donât agree because you made the post which I disagreed with. Iâm not reblogging for your benefit or for your approval, or to hurt your feelings, which I did, apparently.
delete the post and block me then. this wasnât about you.
stopped reading after âitâs not a discussion, youâre just wrongâ so
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
hey on the flip side you can just walk away and let me interpret it differently and in your words, thatâs the âbeauty of literatureâ, yes I read your tags yes I COMPLETELY think youâre wrong no I donât hate you yes I will still say no to this faulty interpretation of gatsby and yet despite all these things I am not picking a fight and we can coexist in this wild world have a nice day.
wasnât picking a fight, just saying you could disagree but not be rude lmao
you could just stop being upset someone thinks your wrong forcefully and yet you continue. đ€Ą
you literally started this discussion? how am I the clown for responding to what I thought was intellectual discourse?
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
hey on the flip side you can just walk away and let me interpret it differently and in your words, thatâs the âbeauty of literatureâ, yes I read your tags yes I COMPLETELY think youâre wrong no I donât hate you yes I will still say no to this faulty interpretation of gatsby and yet despite all these things I am not picking a fight and we can coexist in this wild world have a nice day.
wasnât picking a fight, just saying you could disagree but not be rude lmao
Hi! I'm trying to start an incorrect shakespeare quotes blog, and I was wondering if I could reblog some of your quotes to fill out my queue while I'm getting started?
sure, gâhead!
- MOD A
no because that puts Gatsbyâs whole quest for wealth and the âperfectâ wife, his anger at not receiving an inheritance from his mentor, the whole white supremacy rant which Tom Buchanan goes off on, not to mention Daisyâs hesitance to marrying Gatsby and how no one actually mourns him when he gets murdered, and the Buchanans can just walk away without consequences⊠IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE
No Daisy was hesitant to marry Gatsby because Gatsby acted like a freaking nutjob The entire freaking Book.
The real interracial romance-slander is in To Kill A Mockingbird, where a young poor white lady and a young poor black man fall into âromanceââŠthen suddenly, heâs on trial and because of her abusive father is sayingâŠnevermind. Read the book. Told through the perspective of the lawyerâs daughter, Scout, who defends the young man in court.
they can both be about racism and prejudices against interracial romances, thatâs the beauty of literature
so, Sonnet 18, huh?
This sonnet always stood out to me. Not just because itâs gay as hell (shakespeare sweetie, youâre doing great), but because it kind of breaks this pattern Iâve noticed.
See, modern media likes to paint Shakespeare as this tragic romantic soul, whose focused on creating everlasting art and immortalising beauty, and while thatâs partly true, Shakespeare was actually mainly just a mega-bitch.
A lot of his most famous works poke fun at/defy the norms of society of the time. Plays like Twelfth Night, which completely blurred gender lines and was pretty fucking gay (especially since women were often played by men at the time) or Sonnet 130, which is SERIOUSLY FUCKING FEMINIST and can best be summarised by that one John Mulaney quote:Â âMy wife is a bitch and I love Her so muchâ
But Sonnet 18??? Seems sincere and romantic and just??? So genuine??? Which is SERIOUSLY out of character for him. Believe me when I say, our boy Will was THAT BITCH, so I though it was weird. A sonnet where Shakespeare isnât actively (albeit subtextually) dissing society or the subject??? INCONVIENCABLE!
and then it occured to me. Maybe Shakespeare IS poking fun at the subject, we just canât see it, because itâs some kind of inside joke???
Picture it: Youâre Shakespeareâs boyfriend, and youâre smart, educated and generally cool. But, because youâre dating WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, all people notice about you is how pretty you are. So youâre complaining to your boyfriend, about how it sucks to be known as âShakespeareâs Boyfriendâ and you canât wait till youâre old and ugly and people will forget all about your beauty and see you as more than Shakespeareâs ex. Of course, you underestimated your boyfriends evilness. And he writes this sonnet, and itâs beautiful, really it is, tender and sweet, about how heâll always see you as beautiful despite whatever relationship troubles they go thorugh or old age. And then you realise. Someday, some poor english student is going to have to read this, and you will forever be remembered, as Shakespeare mysterious, unnamed but hot boyfriend.
Shakespeare: So what did you think-???
Shakespeareâs Boyfriend: I want a fucking divorce
THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK!
yt people are really out here like âohhhh having poc in period dramas is UNREALISTIC, there werenât poc in ye olde england!â as if othello does not exist
#also itâs heavily implied throughout twelfth night that viola and Sebastian arenât white like idk what to tell ya
Wait, it was? I totally missed that, could u say where?
Ok, so I have like 3 big points of evidence for this:
A big part of twelfth night and itâs varying interpretations is that Viola/Cesario is clearly an outsider in Illyria, which is part of the Balkan peninsula. Itâs a way of making light of the miscommunications between the main characters, a âoh they do things differently where theyâre fromâ of sorts.Â
Additionally the balkan peninsula borders Turkey and North Africa, and since Viola and Sebastian were in a shipwreck, it would make sense that they were travelling upwards from Asia or Africa.
Thereâs also the queer subtext of Twelfth Night to take into consideration. While most of the christian world was fairly homo/transphobic, many Asian, African and American cultures accepted homosexuality and had specific trans and non-binary genders. Itâd make a lot more sense for Viola and Sebastian to casually cross dress (and for Sebastian to become romantically involved with Antonio) if their culture was more accepting then that of Illyria and Europe in general.Â
Since Shakespeare was himself bisexual, itâs not implausible that he wouldâve implied this to specifically further the gay agenda of the play. So while it was a âhaha funny cross-dressingâ joke to the white straight people of the audience, the queer/poc audience members would recognize these elements and see it as a further note that this story was meant for them
if anyone wants to read more on this
yt people are really out here like âohhhh having poc in period dramas is UNREALISTIC, there werenât poc in ye olde england!â as if othello does not exist
#also itâs heavily implied throughout twelfth night that viola and Sebastian arenât white like idk what to tell ya
Wait, it was? I totally missed that, could u say where?
Ok, so I have like 3 big points of evidence for this:
A big part of twelfth night and itâs varying interpretations is that Viola/Cesario is clearly an outsider in Illyria, which is part of the Balkan peninsula. Itâs a way of making light of the miscommunications between the main characters, a âoh they do things differently where theyâre fromâ of sorts.Â
Additionally the balkan peninsula borders Turkey and North Africa, and since Viola and Sebastian were in a shipwreck, it would make sense that they were travelling upwards from Asia or Africa.
Thereâs also the queer subtext of Twelfth Night to take into consideration. While most of the christian world was fairly homo/transphobic, many Asian, African and American cultures accepted homosexuality and had specific trans and non-binary genders. Itâd make a lot more sense for Viola and Sebastian to casually cross dress (and for Sebastian to become romantically involved with Antonio) if their culture was more accepting then that of Illyria and Europe in general.Â
Since Shakespeare was himself bisexual, itâs not implausible that he wouldâve implied this to specifically further the gay agenda of the play. So while it was a âhaha funny cross-dressingâ joke to the white straight people of the audience, the queer/poc audience members would recognize these elements and see it as a further note that this story was meant for them
ââŠShakespeare was himself bisexualâŠâ - this just hit me like a ton of pillows. Why yes! Of course! Never thought of this before but yeah Iâm onboard with this. As well as all the other points. (In fact people saying poc simply werent *there* bugs me like crazy.)
One of Shakespeareâs most famous sonnets, Sonnet 18, is a love poem about a man! Obviously, we cannot accurately label the sexuality of a 17th century playwright, but by modern definitions Shakespeare does seem to be somewhat bisexual