TV shows have their set visual styles / looks. Directors coming in on SPN arenât going through lighting set ups, outside maybe wanting more moody look / shadows in a scene. They arenât coming in and saying âbut then I-flag colors in the background of this scene.â
Serge was cinematographer on all but 8 episodes. He wasnât sneaking âDean is biâ subtext into the show with the lighting. He used shadows and darkness to convey the horror, and colors to convey mood / passage of time.
Heâs a French Canadian and was like in his 60âs when the episode aired. He didnât give two shits about âbi-lightingâ.
Right. That's part of it, when you're considering whether the lighting has any significance beyond just allowing you to see shit on screen or setting a general mood? One of many things you need to consider is who is making the choices and in what context.
Assuming a sixty something cinematographer in a heterosexual marriage since 1990 was trying to signal bisexuality in Supernatural in 2013? When it doesn't seem to have even really been A Thing with even conspiracy shippers on tumblr before 2014 and definitely doesn't seem to have seen any kind of real use by creators prior to 2017 for signalling bisexuality [X]? When the combo of colors has had other associations?
There's an extent to which it obviously comes from the same place as their fanfic that depicts Dean and Castiel as edgy tweens - they really don't seem to be able to comprehend that their personal experience and frames of reference are not universal.
Also, to reiterate one more time, the thing about the colors post?
Yes, colors in media can mean things. That's not wrong. What is wrong, what they consistently either are too stupid, dishonest, stubborn, or ill-educated to understand? Is that incidental details like colors may be put there to reinforce the story, but they may also have been chosen for entirely different reasons - aesthetics, availability, read on camera, etc. Also, no color or set of colors has one single specific set meaning that is generally agreed upon as definitive.
So even in cases where colors are deliberately chosen because of the story? They will never be the main vehicle of telling the story, but reinforcement of the story already being told in the main dialogue, action, and outcomes.
The only reason to pointedly not understand this is because colors and other random background minutiae are all you have.
Not this bitch of all people saying this. Hey moron, no normal person needs to be "educated" on this, we understood the show just fine. If you thought colours were supposed to mean something and that you gaslit yourselves, that's a you problem.
Oh ffs. The history of âbi lightingâ originated from fans of Sherlock (unsurprisingly looking at background details to try to âget evidenceâ for their made up ship whilst ignoring the actual text - sound familiar?). It was made up by shippers, not the industry. More specifically, it came about in 2014 and was a fucking meme. The air date for this particular episode of Supernatural was 2013. Before this became a âthingâ
âBisexual lightingâ is not taught in film school as a legitimate medium. What is taught is lighting palettes can signify certain moods or atmospheres. E.g as in real life, blue is calming, red can be aggression etc. In terms of âbi lightingâ, this is the top answer.
But also itâs used to signify change, either time going from day to night or a change in a person or situation. One of the people involved in SPN was asked about the âbi lightingâ and he said it wasnât a thing in SPN. Thereâs a tweet for it.
However, thanks to the dumbass shippers, it has now become a thing that IS used. I personally hate it, itâs not representation which should be clear and not in the subtext.
Does anyone have this tweet? I wish I'd saved it when I saw it.
Do many people in the wild even recognise the colours of the bisexual flag? Most don't know any beyond the basic rainbow pride flag unless they're actually part of the community.
Has she censored his name? And are they hoping to educate a thirty year veteran of his industry...on how his industry works? Do they not think Jensen knew the people who did the lighting? They worked together for years. He paid attention. He has an eye for his craft. Jensen knows there wasn't "bisexual lighting". If they wanted Dean to be bisexual, he'd have been bisexual the way people usually are. By being romantically involved with men and women. Not being exclusively in hetero relationships, explicitly saying he was straight. And he could have been bi with anyone, even someone hot and not flaky old Crustiel.
I donât have the tweet to hand but I want to say it was Chad Kennedy - who they bullied off twitter for the audacity of saying it wasnât real - and he definitely talked about lighting gradients. They also had a go at Guy Norman Bee amongst several others. Iâm looking at reddit threads to try to find it again and itâs grim reading. Why these aggressive, hateful bullies were ever pandered to is beyond me and because SPN didnât deal with them properly (due to M), they are out there continuing to ruin shows to force their latest m/m fetish. Someone will have it though.
I can't seem to find the tweets with a quick search, but for anybody that wants to keep digging, it was Jerry Wanek. Tweeting about the episode, he said there was something 'hidden' in the set design for Naomi's office and the hellers started screaming about bi flag colors - which made him clarify that wasn't it, they had hidden a pattern of crosses. He further clarified that the lighting was meant to convey passage of time, not sexuality.
And yeah, that color palette is not exclusively linked to the bi flag, ffs. Even if it was, it's Naomi's office, and as pointed out elsewhere, what actually broke Castiel's mind controlled state was touching the angel tablet.
jensen ackles commencement speech may 2026 - source
But having that partner; someone to rely on, someone who would rely on you, is sometimes the only thing that got us through. But when someone needs you like that, showing up for that person matters more than anything else.
The frustrating thing about hellers (ONE of the many) is how they sexualize the most mundane and normal interactions between men and then scream at you for being too obtuse to notice the sexual tension. Itâs exhausting trying to exist in fandom spaces when people will hunt you down with a stake if you donât sexualize every look that passes between the chosen shipâs characters. Itâs so regressive and hypocritical and truly homophobic. Dean misses Cas? That means they want to bone! Def not that he misses a friend that meant a lot to him. Dean looks in Casâs direction while Dean looks handsome? Omg theyâre in love! Not just⊠that he is looking at a friend that is literally speaking to him. Therein lies the proof this is fetish and not about representation. If you have to sexualize EVERYTHING that means that nothing romantic is actually there. Hereâs what this really is. They wanted to sexualize Jensen as Dean- but they couldnât do icky wincest because theyâre morally superior- so in comes Cas the angel and BOOM! Ship that out toxics all other ships is born.
Absolutely. There are so many things to choose from in a competition of most frustrating, but that one is definitely on the list.
They really talk as if they've never interacted with another person before in their lives, let alone had a close friend - and then claim that's proof the ship is real. It is weird and creepy and, yes, it is more homophobic and toxic than anything they scream at the rest of the fandom for. At the end of the day, it makes it look like they genuinely believe a man can't care about or be invested in anyone but family members or a woman he is in/wants to be in a relationship with or its gay. But crucially, this only applies where they think the idea is hot.
Again, it'd be one thing if they were just doing this confined within fandom and fanon shipping for their own doll smushing purposes. Like, oh, I could totally see them in lurve in that scene where they were talking about the VotW because I want to read it that way. Sure, whatever. It's that they genuinely refuse to leave it at that and demand everyone else agree the random cherry picked nothingburgers they fixate on are PROOF. It can only mean sexual interest/romance because any and every interaction which isn't hostility (and most that are, too) is actually some inherent giveaway of homosexuality. How can Dean act like that and not want to be fucked by dudes? How can Jensen look like that and not want to be fucked by dudes?
The audacity of @bucketforme to claim that Jensen is an irrelevant actor. I'm sorry, but he's the most relevant person there is to speak about Dean and the character's existence! Jensen's the only one who's spent more time with Dean than any other person. SPN had so much turnover with writers and showrunners to the point where writer's talked about only being required to watch a couple of episodes before they got to write one themselves.
That's not to mention how many fans think they know better than the character. I've mentioned this before, but let's look at numbers! Jensen and Jared worked on 327 episodes of SPN. Each episode takes about 8 days to film, typically working an average of 14 hour days. I'll be generous and say that J2 spent 6 of those 8 actually filming. In addition, they would have spent non-filming time studying the scripts, not just the words, but the actions and motivations of their characters. I'll give that three hours in a day (they have to sleep sometime!) So, that's 17 hours, 6 days a week for 327 episodes. That comes out to 33,354 hours of work put into creating SPN and living as Sam and Dean.
The total runtime of SPN is about 240 hours. Even if a superfan watched the entire show 10 times over (and again, that's being generous), that's only 2,400 hours, or only 7% of the total time Jared and Jensen spent with Sam and Dean.
To say that Jensen's words about Dean's thoughts and motivations are irrelevant as an actor is ridiculous and frankly, insulting. He's the only one who knows the character best and can speak on him, so when he says Destiel is not valid and that Dean only cared about Cass as a brother, then that's Dean's truth and no amount of explaining/hand-wringing/manifesting/harassing that hellers do is going to change that.
Youâre absolutely right anon, Jensen is THE relevant person there is to speak about Dean, because he is THE expert on Dean. Between the sheer amount of time Jensen has spent molding and living Dean and the amount of writer turnover as you said. Like, especially when you look at the actual numbers, itâs not even close, even when we shave off some hours for the reduced work time and days for when J2 both scaled back their workload in later seasons somewhat, that would still come out to over 20,000 hours at least. So at a bare minimum Jensen spent 10x as many hours with Dean as a fan who watched the entire series 10 times over.
This isnât news of course to any of us with an ounce of respect for Jensen, an ounce of common sense, and a lack of agenda, but the hellersâ strong suit has always been belligerence, entitlement, and everything that comes with it, including clinging to their shared delusion.
The aftermath of this con is filled with this bullshit only "I don't care what Jensen says" and in the same sentence will quote one of Jensen's line out of context to prove some destiel canon shit.
Like if you truly don't care what he says abt it now then what he said in the past also shldn't matter right?? You can't have it both ways. Either dismiss his opinions abt destiel altogther or accept what his current take on it is.
They invested so much into this that they can't bear the thought of so much of their own queerbaiting and gaslighting of themselves to have been for nothing.
Also fuck all the way off with more abelism. Now we're calling him schizo?
They're too illiterate to see that it wasn't a love song. It was a song. The same way they're too illiterate to understand that the straight man who says he's straight and only hooks up with women is straight and that there isn't a super secret plot going on.
How long until they cry "he said it was clear text" which is true. It was clear text that Dean didn't reciprocate. "He said he wished he loved him too" and followed that with "I know people are going to try and sexualise that (immediately says he was a brother in arms)
not illiteracy. not lack of intelligence. cult mindset. I've been in Heller spaces. I've tried to change them from the inside. I left scared and grieved by what I saw. The level of thought-control and refusal to allow even slight deviations that everyone in those spaces independently enforces on each other is horrific. There is Something Bad happening there at a sociological level. I don't believe Misha is aware of the full extent, you really have to experience it to get it, but he's aware of some of it and doesn't see it as enough of a DANGER signal to stop using his power as Cas' actor to fuel the flames.
Hellers aren't stupid. Hellers, at least twitter hellers (I've never been close with the tumblr ones and don't want to be) are a high-control group. Questioning Anything will quite literally get you ostracized, sent death threats, and (I wish I was joking) accused of being a "secret Wincestie infiltrating the space". Like that's a real thing that they believe in, or at least claim to believe in to excuse turning on their own when there's no actors or "rival" shippers to direct their endless anger at. It's really hard to be media-literate when the results of said literacy will turn you into the Target Of The Week.
Don't give them a damn bit of excuse or empathy for it. They refuse help and reason, trust me I've tried.
I should have said media-illiterate rather than just illiterate. Misha could shut this shit down if he wanted to, but he chooses not only to let it continue but fans the flames with ever increasing ferocity. He could reinforce the difference between canon and shipping. Make it clear when he's talking about what happened on the show or just kidding around. We know he looks this stuff up online. He's said he does. He also changes his attitude depending on who he's with. He knowingly reins it in around Jensen which is why this weekend was such a shock to him as these worlds collided. I don't think he can claim ignorance. He knows exactly what he's doing.
It's ruined the fun of shipping to have this cult mentality, and it's ruined the fun of fandom to have this insistence that it's canon when we want to talk about the show. I don't care what people ship. Or rather, I didn't. But there's this hellish heller subsection that don't just ship it but insists it's the core theme of the show. I've somehow been called a paedophile for not agreeing with their headcanon? I think because they assume everyone who isn't a heller is a wincestie, and somehow that makes them...? I don't understand it. It sometimes feels like I'm the only one who isn't shipping anything that moves. But these are strong accusations that they throw out.
Just like calling Jensen homophobic constantly. There is nothing that suggests he's homophobic. A straight man playing a straight man as straight and saying that the straight man was straight but you can write your own fanfic about whatever you want as long as you can tell the difference between the show and the fic isn't homophobic. It's him being open minded and accepting but not giving them the exact answer they want. They definitely didn't like him equating it with other fanfic, but the truth is none of that is canon.
There are 327 episodes of the show to talk about, but somehow all they care about is something that they hallucinated to the point of arguing with the damn lead over his job.
Ignoring all the other lies and nonsense about how all the writers and showrunners meant it to be reciprocated canon and it totally is ... despite the actual canon* because a panderer or two liked a tweet here and there? The assertion Jensen is "just the actor" so his opinion is invalid is itself fucking stupid.
Unlike these online weirdos with their faulty psychic abilities telling them what the showrunners, writers, and directors intended? Jensen talked to those people about what was intended, when he wasn't actively shaping the scenes by how he played what was written and thereby influencing the writers' later choices. Not only that, but in the specific case of SPN, we know that the writers often deferred to smaller changes J2 chose to make, because while they didn't know the future storylines, they knew the characters better from being in their heads for a longer time and more consistently through all episodes than anyone on the writing team.
Oh, oh, but Jensen doesn't remember episode names or every single random detail. So what? Most people don't remember every single fucking detail of their own lives, but that doesn't mean they don't know who they are. Of course, since all of their bad meta relies on nonsense like, 'In episode X, scene Y, at the 3:02 minute mark, explain what [the lighting/your microexpression/cake] means if it isn't gay!!!' Not knowing what the actual fuck they're on about doesn't mean he doesn't know Dean or the story, it means no one outside their batshit bubble thinks a random background detail was part of telling a super sneakret different main story.
Like these are the people insisting some random Spanish voice actor they haven't given a shit about before or since knows Dean better because he was willing to pander to them but Jensen won't. Anyone who tells them what they want to hear - or they can imaginatively pretend is telling them that, and they're really good at make-believe - is an expert and anyone else has no right to speak. If Jensen was willing to lie to them, they'd be singing a different tune and we all know it.
*What literally happened, period. No number of words of colorful meta ~*reinterpreting*~ the wallpaper changes Castiel being a mostly off screen, largely irrelevant tool who was mourned and missed on a similar or slightly lesser level to John /Bobby /Charlie /Crowley /Mary /Rowena.
Nope, they didn't hear a word because anything they don't want to hear goes in one ear and out the other, and barely stops in the sad empty space in between for more than a hot second.
For a bunch of people who constantly shout everyfuckingthing under the sun is hOmOPhoBiA, they sure do love them some gross stereotyping and reinforcement of toxic masculinity. Which is all Jensen would see in a hypothetical hell world where he was forced to sit through the show with a heller. Some idiot constantly pointing at random interactions, bits of set and wardrobe, and just straight up spouting nonsense they made up. "SEE? SEE? IT'S REAL! You made eye contact and looked at Misha's lips while talking to him! You stood in the same frame! The bacon is a symbol! Only the BI of FBI is visible on Dean's jacket! Look at all the important negative space where Castiel doesn't even appear in this episode! Widower arc, Dean totally cared that Cas died! You chose cake over pie!!! Explain yourself if that's not gay!?!"
Robbie Thompson once revealed that after Jensen got the script for the 200th episode he flew to LA to talk with Robbie and Carver, which Robbie admitted he was worried he was gonna get fired. It's obvious what Jensen found issue with and wanted to be sure what the show was implying or not implying with the Destiel stuff.
Yeah. This is the thing. Unlike someone else who bends whichever way the wind blows, Jensen's stance has not changed from the time he became aware that the ship was a thing in fandom. The one time he questioned what the writers were doing by bringing it up in episode 200 among other things? He went straight to LA to confront them over it and came out of it reassured that it was about celebrating the fans and their creativity, not changing the canon to match anyone's fanfic [X][X]. Hell, that is spelled out pretty blatantly in the episode, beyond Jensen's fourth wall breaking look to camera. Not only does Dean say directly, "I have my version and you have yours" but D/C is included in the fan's self-written second act - along with robots and aliens and such.
When they aren't saying gross shit about forcing him, hellers often desperately want to present D/C as something Jensen has just not fully considered. If he would only just do that, obviously he would inevitably see it's real and in there!!! Except that's just not true.
Jensen is well aware it's a thing in fandom but that it was not something he put in or that was in the minds of the showrunners and writers he talked to. Even their queerbaiting hero Bobo the Assclown clearly put Dean couldn't reciprocate into his cringe-worthy script. Depending on how much credit he's attempting to take or evade, Misha admits half the time that it was never a thing on the table to even be seriously hinted at with the writers before Bobo presented the angel exit plan. Imagine being upset a storyline that doesn't exist ... doesn't exist.
Similarly, as much as they try to insist it's some inevitability that watching the show would make anyone ship it? Plenty of people have watched the show - a hell of a lot more of it than a lot of them who directly admit they didn't bother to tune in when Misha wasn't in it for therefore, you know, the majority of the show- and come away without ever seeing the ship as a thing. Not in small part, I suspect, because people who watched the whole show saw all the supposed D/C moments within the damning actual context and therefore did not attribute undue ~*significance*~ or ~*meaning*~ to them.
Iâm sorry but it is not offensive to equate 2 ships in fanfiction. They have equal validity. One being incest and the other being an age gap/power imbalance/beastiality/necrophilliac/interspecies mash up is irrelevant. Most people do not see Castiel as even being gay as the âconfessionâ was ambiguous. That argument aside, Destiel cannot be âhalfâ canon as the hellers like to say as either a ship is fully canon (both parties reciprocate) or itâs non canon (because ONE or both parties do not reciprocate), so we are not equating a canon ship with a non canon ship. Both are non canon and have the same validity as Sastiel, Sabriel etc. I.e. they have no validity in the canon of the show, they are ALL just fanfiction.
Jensen is saying correctly that Destiel does not exist in canon. His character does not reciprocate the âromanticâ love and as heâs said (again correctly imo) that he himself doesnât see the âconfessionâ in a human way, Castiel is on a different plane of existence and cannot be defined in human terms - even M constantly forgets Cass is not human and talks about the confession in human terms.
To repeat, if it is not a ship that has been confirmed in the canon of the show, its fanfiction and on the exact same level as wincest (sexy times) as wincest (non sexy times) is provably canon.
Ok, so this is in response to the first post I encountered in Jensenâs tags. I donât see the point in responding directly because I just donât believe at this point it will change anything and Iâm tired of this shit. We are where we are. However, like with Jared, I donât like leaving outright lies being spread uncorrected.
a) bi Dean is not the âmost popularâ reading of his character by any means at all, it is A reading, itâs got validity in fanfiction but not presently in canon (even if you trot out your list of gross stereotypes) and that should be okay. You exist in a very small bubble that acts as an echo chamber on a continuous loop but even at its peak, Destiel shippers didnât top above around 10k ârealâ people and itâs really fallen off in the last couple of years.
b) The individual writers are irrelevant, itâs the showrunners that decide where a story is going and they have been very clear they were aware of the ship but were not writing it at all in the writing room (other than ship nods that none of you seemed to understand that the purpose of them was a âwe see youâ and not a âweâre writing this for youâ). They did the exact same with other ships, such as wincest and sastiel, even J2 as a ship got nods. That said, 2-3 writers were unprofessional in their online interactions with shippers but none of that was sanctioned in the writing room itself. Even your overlord admits that was the case, even repeating it on Saturday. It was never the story being told in the writing room.
c) M has queerbaited for years for personal profit, heâs constantly being derogatory about gay relationships and once had to come out as straight when he joked once too often (because being gay is apparently one great big joke to him). He gives flippant derogatory answers when asked about Castiel and Dean in conventions (such as Dean having his ass baby). He went behind the backs of the show leads to collide with a bitter writer to out of the blue have Cass confess to being âgayâ. An ambiguous âconfessionâ that lasted 2 minutes out of 327 hours of the show, didnât confess anything of substance or convey romance at all then the character immediately died. Then btw had âgay angelâ merchandise ready to sell the next day in his store for profit. This same âallyâ has then been existing for the last 6 years on income that relies on him pulling a JK to his fans by talking about how great that end was for his character and it was totes played by him as romantic and he wasnât aware of the kill your gays trope. Thatâs your gay ally youâre defending? By all means, keep going to him and asking the all important queer questions of how many ass babies they have now. GTFO
d) you all lying and queerbaiting yourselves in posts, aided and abetted by chief queerbaiter himself and attempting to force your âinterpretionâ to be validated by Jensen is why this continues to happen. You believe the lies because you want to believe, then you post them and round and round we go.
Jensen is not the issue, he has been clear and honest from the very start about what story is being told and has never once lied about that. He is an ally to the community because he refuses to say that something existed when he knows damn well it didnât. He, like Jared want quality representation in shows, not treating the genuine fans they love as an ATM.
The only thing we agree on is to stop sexually harassing him by forcing your ship fetish on him.
Because that's not how he was playing the character. That's it. That's the reason.
[this got long, sorry, OP. so putting the rest under a cut}
He takes acting really seriously. Like, the craft of acting is clearly really important to him. And constantly having people tell him that they saw something different, significantly so, on screen has got to make him feel like he didn't do a good job. Or, that a lot of people are very bad at understanding what they are seeing. Preferring, instead, to just see what they want to see. Either way, it is an easily understandable source of frustration.
But... and this is a very important 'but'... he is actually totally cool with people headcanoning however they want, and writing fanfic about whatever they want. That is why he brought up Wincest. Because he is okay with people writing fanfic about Sam and Dean being together together, just like he's okay with people writing fanfic about Dean and Castiel. He's okay with it all because it is fan fiction and he appreciates that us fans love the show so much that it makes us want to create more based on it.
However, it is legitimately rude to ask him questions about one's fan fiction, because he is not involved in that, and he doesn't want to be.
And I get that there seem to be a lot of Destiel shippers who have convinced themselves that there was a real, underlying romance between Dean and Castiel being written and acted into the show... but that is not actually true.
Yes the show made nods to Destiel, and Wincest, and made little tongue in cheeks jokes about it with a flirty sort of wink-wink at the audience, but they did that because they love us. Like saying, we see you weirdos [affectionate] out there writing your pervy little stories and drawing your nsfw art and we appreciate you.
And yes, apparently, some of the people involved in making the show also kinda maybe shipped Destiel. Jensen is not one of them.
Yes, Jensen has said that Watching Over You, the Radio Company song, was inspired, at least in part, by Castiel and his story. But y'all have got to recognize that the song is not inherently romantic. Can it be taken that way? Easily. But that does not mean that it was written about Destiel, or that it in anyway was because Jensen supported the ship.
That last bit is not directed specifically at OP, just something I've seen brought up a few times in that last couple of days in a way that was expressing frustration or confusion about Jensen seeming to be inconsistent in his stance about Destiel.
He has actually been very consistent though.
He played Dean as a heterosexual man and he is fine with shipping, but feels (rightly so) that it is a fan activity.
So, in that sense, Destiel is not 'real', it is fiction being written about the fiction he helped to make.
And finally, to tie my rant (sorry OP for kinda going off here) back around, it's not that "he just really fucking hates dean winchester being gay(bi)âŠ. for Some Reason" and it never has been.
That was just not how he was playing the character.
If it makes sense to you that Dean was bi or gay or whatever, then you get to think that. Have fun with it. But have the basic decency and self awareness to recognize that your interpretation is not shared by everyone. It's just your interpretation.
Likewise, Jensen's intention and interpretation of the character is just that, his. But the fact remains that he was actually involved (more than anyone else at the end of it all) in crafting the Dean Winchester that was on the show. So people need to either decide that they do not care what his interpretation of the character was, and just run with their own version, or they need to admit that they do care... either way they need to stop asking him ship related questions.
Maybe turn it around: if an actor was playing a character who was written as gay, and whom the actor understood to be gay, and the audience kept asking him when he knew his character was in love with a female costar, he would be right in saying, âMy character was gay and was never in love with that female character, but you can write your fan fiction about it, cool.â
I feel like Jensen also just hates being harassed and attacked like this. That girl and some people in the audience fucking boo'd him over their fictional ship and if anything that probably made him like the ship even less. He pulled out "the Wincest" like some safe word lmao, but really he was trying to be super nice and saying he respects all ships equally but don't consider them canon, which frankly is better fandom etiquette than those "fans" in the room exhibited.
Jensen spent a lot of years investing his time, talent, and thought into creating who the character of Dean Winchester was going to be on screen. He literally talked to writers and show runners about intent. So of course he has a very set idea of who Dean was intended to be in the canon.
It's fine if people personally want to read other things into that performance he or the show didn't intend, or project their feelings into it; that's just kinda how art works sometimes even before you get into straight up fanfic.
What is not fine if that a certain subset of shippers insist their interpretation is the only valid one and must have actually been the intent of the show itself and are belligerent about it. Jensen just doesn't understand what he was doing with his own acting, or has to have been lying about his intent for reasons. If they just keep telling him who his character really was and asking him leading questions in different words, he'll eventually have no choice but to agree. The only reason he wouldn't see it is if he's a homophobe.
This is overall insulting, disrespectful, and frankly just stupid. Not only are these people bluntly making it clear they were not appreciative of what he was actually trying to convey, they repeatedly demonstrate they have no respect for anyone but themselves by "asking" him questions they will only accept one answer to - that he isn't going to give them.
There is no mystery here why Jensen would take offense to that, nor any homophobia inherent in continuing to patiently explain that when it comes to choices actually made in creating the show he played a character intended to be straight as straight, ffs.
I'm not the original anon, but here's the link to the post about stepping on Jensen's foot. (Numerous people in the reblog tags applauding them for it is despicable.)
I stepped on jensen's foot. Felt like small revenge
How absolutely unhinged do you have to be to purposefully try and physically harm someone? First it's a foot, what's next? Someone needs to out this person to con organizers everywhere so they can be banned.
While looking for the above post, I also found this: https://www.tumblr.com/blanketforcas/817509288787443713/idk-if-you-can-hear-it-on-the-audio-but-after-i?source=share
idk if you can hear it on the audio but after i told jensen not to equate destiel to wincest and he doubled down on it, i was like "misha? đ um?" as in like "a little help pls" cause i couldn't believe he was doing a jared like that lmao
So much for the other heller's conspiracy theory that it was a J2/Jared stan asking the question. This is a well-known heller admitting to asking the question. (They have multiple other posts defending their question and how it was rude of the actor's and fandom to respond the way they did.)
The call is coming from inside the house, hellers. You people are violent, delusional, and have no sense of respect or boundaries. There is no safe space when you're around. This latest convention is your blaringly obvious clue to pack your bags and exit the fandom stage left, right, north, up, down, any way that gets you to finally let go and move on.
It was one of us, hellers, huh? We need to spread this everywhere.
THIS IS THE KIND OF BEHAVIOR I HAVE SM ISSUE WITH WTF??? They are so fucking disgusting istg. Get your fucking heads out of the fucking gutter. Not everything is abt sex!! He gave that answer because that's how he feels genuinely but pls disregard his opinion why? Oh right because he hasn't been pegged in a long time
Eww I feel gross while writing the last line. I NEED A FREAKING BATH!
Apologies for ruining your space đ
They think that's how he genuinely feels??? Ewwwww.
This is what I've always said, Jensen is just a sexual m/m fetish object to them. In their eyes, that's his only purpose. How dare he have opinions or thoughts that don't agree with what they want?!? Obviously, it's not really true he does, it's some outside force acting on him preventing him from being an agreeable blow up doll for them like he must inherently want to do! He just needs to be dominated (or outright forced) into it and he'll like it. They're sure of it. đ€ź
Nah, *this* kind of love confession is never going to be enough because it was a pathetic, clearly one-sided clusterfuck of pandering stupidity that came out of fucking nowhere but shipper delusions and was intentionally written as ambiguous about the type of love involved for the rest of the audience to easily ignore. (Reiterating, I love you versus I'm in love with you is that fucking simple.)
But by all means, PLEASE go back and actually LISTEN to every fucking time you've asked Jensen about this shit to make a compilation. Because it will quickly become apparent he never fucking changed his mind, you just now remember whatever nonsense you creatively ~*reinterpreted*~ or outright edited out of what he said to believe what you liked better instead of what he actually said. Or you assumed that him not talking over Misha queerbaiting you about Castiel's feelings was the same as agreeing that interpretation was the single true one.
The only difference in his answers is that he originally tried to be diplomatic and tell you to interpret whatever you liked for your own purposes but he knew what he was playing Dean as feeling/how he saw it. You just thought if you kept pushing he would have to eventually tell you he thought Dean was in lurve with the angel, too, because obviously not shooting you down directly was him being worn down and seeing The Truth of Detestiel! Keep badgering him, guys, he'll have to change his mind!!! Well, congrats, he does seem to have changed his mind that being diplomatic about it is the right play.
what did jensen actually say (as in his actual words)? im seeing a lot of hellers freak iut everywhere but no actual quotes or videos
So I've been informed this convention has a no video policy, which is going to make it less likely for us to get recordings period, let alone complete recordings. We may still get some illicit ones, but we'll have to see what trickles in over the next few days.
At this point, the only source we have is one basically anon user posting a transcript of one particular question and a subsequent link to a soundcloud audio [X] that sounds legit and matches up to some of the heller whining.
