Hey so "all men are trash" posts help terfs
I'll explain if one of you want
Know what fuck it explaining as soon as I get off mobile this is important and I'm pissed and I need you people to hear it
so i’m trans and i have been spoon feed this shit for years
There are more, but you get the idea. If you’ve been on this website, or any website really, you’ll know just how much of everywhere this is. You can not escape it. Men are Trash and Pigs and all that good stuff. Recently, I found “Where’d you go?” a comic by Jason Porath, the man behind the Rejected Princesses book about a nightmare he’s been having since 2016 that seems, at least a little, connected to the “All men are trash” thing. Reading this kind of made me realize something about myself; all these All men are trash posts have given me internalized transphobia. I Actively hate myself for not being cis. For giving up womanhood to join the side of evil. And it’s not like i hate any other trans people, yall are great, it’s just me, and it’s my first time really realizing what internalized transphobia feels like or means. What makes it worse is this is something TERFs what. For those (lucky) few who have avoided TERFs, they are Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. They hate Trans Men for betraying woman by becoming part of the problem and they hate Trans Woman for being Men “pretending” to be woman to hurt them. They’re the kind of people making all the “If we let trans woman use the right bathroom they’ll assault cis woman!!!” stuff. Trashy people who think trashy things that only hurt people. But they made me have their ideology. So, how many people in the above screenshots are TERFs or Radfem? 3. And those are only the ones who say it on their blogs. 3 out of 5 of the screenshots are from TREFs or Redfem and these are just the first few post i saw when I searched up “All Men are Trash.” This shit is everywhere I feel awful I hate myself They won I hope you all are happy
a bonus:
note is in response to this
Listen. Please share this. There are already trans guys in the notes saying this is important. Listen to us.
Hate to make a long post longer but here are some important takes from the notes
I have a friend who is constantly racked with guilt about being attracted to women since he started transitioning because posts like this have taught him that men’s attention to women is always predatory. I have friends who are cis dudes who feel the same way. I have a transfemme friend who constantly questions whether they are actually just fetishizing women because being “socialized male” means they can never unlearn the predatory nature of their AGAB.
This sort of thinking also trains straight and bi women to expect to get treated like shit by their partners instead of believing that men are compassionate, kind, generous people who should be expected to treat their partners well.
And, not to get all “what about cis people” on this but there are young teen boys on this blogging platform who are learning that they are “trash” simply for looking at or being attracted to women and there are adult men on this platform who are trying to turn themselves inside out to try to “make up” for their maleness and framing men as terrible, unsafe, selfish, bad people is the exact kind of gender essentialist bullshit that says all women are compassionate and good communicators and naturally maternal caregivers.
It’s crap! It’s garbage!
You can write off all cops as bad because they all looked at an abusive, corrupt system and went “I want to be a part of that.”
If you write off “men,” the type category, fifty fucking percentish of the goddamned species, as trash you’re looking at a little boy or a black father or an autistic teen or a gay pensioner or even just a totally run of the mill cis straight white dude and saying “you were born wrong.”
And you know what, for fucking YEARS I’ve been saying “feminism benefits men too” and “feminism helps everyone” and there has been this loud minority of utter fucking assholes saying that men are trash and there’s no such thing as misandry and I’ve been trying to say “yeah, okay, those people are assholes but they’re not really a huge part of the movement” and but now it seems like their shitty ideas about purity culture have crossed over to the mainstream and their shitty sex negativity has crossed over to the mainstream, and radical feminism in general and TERFs in particular are brimming with misandry that is an exact fucking mirror to the misogyny of blackpilled incels and we are very calmly letting it infect our discourse and discredit our philosophy.
ALSO all of this bullshit broadcasts and spreads the idea that women must always be protected from men (which is exactly how JK Rowling justifies her transmisogyny) which does NOTHING to accomplish the equality that feminism is nominally about.
“Men are trash” and “kill all men lol” is a memeified, gender-swapped version of Mike Fucking Pence refusing to meet with women unsupervised because they might contaminate or tempt him.
And it *also* paves over the shitty, rapey, abusive, power imbalanced, oppressive things that women do. “If men are trash and women aren’t then clearly the abuse or sexual assault I’m suffering from my female partner must be *different* in some way because she’s not harming me through patriarchy or oppression.”
The "men are trash" posts are exactly how many boys/men get sucked into supremacy groups.
When young boys see those posts everywhere and start to get (rightfully) upset, the most "understanding" groups seem to be ones that are proud of being men. They're told that they're special or superior in some way and after such a blow to their confidence, they want to believe it. They're told to read books written by women exposing how "manipulative" women are. It becomes an obsession and that pride becomes rampant misogyny.
You are helping to create the problem. You are kicking a dog and yelling "I told you so!" when it bites.
Also, this isn't something you can just log off and escape from. It's just as pervasive in person as on the internet.
THANK YOU for having this discussion. I’ve felt a general unwelcome within modern progressive feminist circles, but I couldn’t quite place it. Glad to hear men aren’t absolutely abhorred in most circles, just some.
So I’d like to extend on this just a bit, especially on how it can affect bi men.
Bisexuality has been erased & ignored for a long time, even in the lgbt community. Told “you’re not lgbt cause you can pass as straight” and “you’re actually gay, you’re just pretending to fit in” (or the inverse of the latter), as well as some people straight up claiming they cannot attend pride with an opposite-displaying sex partner (this behavior can also be aphobic & transphobic, yes. Not the point of my post rn though).
This has led to bisexuals already starting to not feel like they can fit in with either the lgbt community, who thinks they’re faking being lgbt, and the Straights, who are just “no you’re gay, I know more than you!!111!1!!1!1!” Thankfully, this has started to fade in recent years, but it’s still a big problem (see: lack of bi rep in both written and digital media, more on this later).
So, how does this relate to this post? Well, on top of all the bierasure, bi men are having to deal with people in both communities (this behavior has spread to non-TERFs, as OP kinda mentioned. Ns if that was their intention, but I think it was) who while they’re shutting down bi men identities, are also saying “also, since you’re a guy, you’re just garbage and should go die”.
All this combined ends up at bi men having one of the highest suicide rates in the community, on top of men already being the majority of suicides in the US (79%) (yes there’s some data on bi women too, but A) I don’t feel qualified to go into it as I don’t have any history with that side and B) I want to focus on bi men here rn).
And it just fucking sucks. Especially because, do to that combo, shit like this tends to not be brought up. Instead it’s ignored, buried, and toxic masculinity pushes on it a bit as well to keep bi men from even tending to bring this up, because “showing emotions is bad”.
I would go into more on this, but I’ve been writing this for about 10 minutes now and I’m just getting angrier and angrier about the treatment of bi men, so I’m gonna bow out and see if anyone else has anything further they’d like to add to this.
I’m still angry about this 2 weeks later so I’m bringing it back
