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i have so many thoughts about this so i apologize if this is scattered.
i saw this originally on TORRES’ story yesterday and it honestly made me sick. this disheartening. and something about the way people have been reacting to julien’s new upcoming project as opposed to how they’re reacting to lucy’s is making my heart hurt
like, idk, they’re both essentially at the same level of fame since they were both in boygenius, and yet lucy is getting article after article and interviews upon interviews about her and julien’s press has been relatively quiet beyond the one podcast and the one magazine. while lucy is doing radio, she is getting written about in multiple articles, her music was used for a fashion show. idk, i just feel like people are reacting so differently to each of them and it’s frustrating.
like people like to act like julien is less talented or something when she’s not! i’d even argue more talented but that’s a whole other conversation.
it’s like when the whole summer boygenius was touring everyone only ever talked about phoebe. idk, it rubs me the wrong way.
connected but unrelated thought,
people’s reactions to lucy’s video yesterday also piss me off quite a bit
like, i keep seeing a lot of the same arguments, some that i agree with and some that i dont.
for one, complaining about a lack of representation. ie, they’re all skinny, they’re all white etc.
to that i think there were a couple of reasons. one, she was looking at the submissions for the video the day of the tiktok ban. now i don’t know how it all went down but i’m assuming she probably wanted to reach out to more people but had trouble.
also! as much as i love boygenius and their solo stuff as poc, i’m aware that most of their fans are not poc. those concerts are white asf and that’s fine. but she can’t pull poc out of her ass. she was casting from her fan base. if it’s mostly white, that’s what you’re gonna get in the video.
and another complaint i saw a lot was that it was mostly people who were her friends or were influencers. ie, mattie, naomi, elio idk how to spell his name. and again, i think this was just cause of the tiktok ban, she probably saw mostly people who got the most views in that short window of time she was looking.
another thing i saw was that these people weren’t masc enough or butch enough. and to that i say, shut your mouth. these are real people. you can be frustrated with the way the casting ended up happening and you can recognize that it wasn’t a full view of the whole spectrum of mascs/ butches in the community but attacking the individual people she put in the video is wrong.
i also saw some people complaining that she had elio in the vid and hes a trans man. if he calls himself masc and he auditioned and she casted him that is between them, not us and them. being masc isn’t inherently lesbian. being butch is. if he called himself butch that would be a different story but he didnt.
i also saw people complaining about cara being in it. i personally don’t care for her, but who cares…? she may not be masc presenting in her public appearances but we don’t know her. so get over it…
i also saw people that it was only influencers and her friends in the vid… i get this one, but again. i blame the tiktok ban. we in america thought it was going to be gone gone for a while leading up and a good chunk of time as it was banned. yes that wasn’t the case but i do think she just picked people with the most views, ie, the influencers. i do wish she would’ve been upfront that it’s gonna be a bunch of her friends but whatever. (sorry if i’m repeating myself i have a lot of thoughts.)
i also keep seeing people in the community being rude to lucy and saying she’s just an annoying bisexual. she’s not bi i dont think. and she is quite publicly unlabeled or pan. you can recognize the very white view she has of the community and recognize that she could’ve been more diverse without mislabeling her or bringing up her label at all.
and idk, it’s also so baffling to me that both of these people are getting attacked for just existing but like, julien is dealing with real homophobia and lucy is dealing with very chronically online biphobic assholes. it just baffles me how no one is talking about the real and scary homophobia that julien is experiencing but i swear i’m seeing everyone and their mom jump to attack or defend lucy.
and another thing. i think the general lack of public support for julien is because she’s masc, everyone wants a masc or a butch until you actually have protect them. idk
i’m thinking to much and if none of this made sense i’m sorry.
Country is a music genre that is even now seen as Southern US, very white and cis/heteronormative, as well as politically conservative. So for two LBPQ people, at least one of whom has leftist politics, who now live in LA (Julien) and NYC (Torres) despite both of them coming from the South (TN and GA, respectively) to which they still have a connection collaborating on a country album may always be anathema to some people, and those people can get stuffed.
As for Julien's solo work, something I've seen in other corners of the internet is her music seems less accessible compared to Phoebe's or Lucy's, or the boygenius catalogue as a whole. I don't agree with that assessment, personally. And I sure as hell don't believe she's less talented than Phoebe or Lucy. (NB: Julien's my fave of the three. I also enjoy Lucy's work.)
Another thought on the lack of press so far for SAPMW, compared to more of it for Lucy's next album: There may be a combination of timing and the label releasing them at work here. Lucy's album is due out in a month and a half as I write this (March 28, 2025) so there's likely going to be more anticipatory press than what we've seen so far. She's also now signed to Geffen, which is a much larger label compared to where she was -- and where Julien still is and which will be releasing SAPMW in mid-April 2025 (Matador) -- and my own guess is Geffen may have a larger press budget. Assuming there will be more press for SAPMW to come, it'll likely start happening sometime in March and into April. (Side note: Seems to me most of Julien's press for Little Oblivions happened close to its release date?)
Okay, the "Best Guess" music video... I think the critiques regarding representation (no deep-skinned Black butches/mascs, no fat butches/mascs, everyone handsome by Eurocentric standards) are true AND I think the reasons you give for why we saw who we saw in the video are spot on. I also wonder if we could've seen even broader representation had the auditions not been limited to Tiktok. Of course, neither Lucy nor Geffen could have predicted the ban would take place close to the time auditions were called for, sooo...yeah, there's that, too.
I think Lucy has self-identified as pansexual and/or queer, from what I understand? I remember her mentioning that on a podcast from some years back, though I don't remember which one.
I think the lack of public support for Julien could be simply because a lot of people are unaware of what's going on right now (this is the first time I've learned of it myself!). If they do know what's going on but are dismissive of it, yeah, that's not okay. I agree that her being masc may have something to do with it, too.
i’m seeing a lot of thoughts and i have other thoughts
people are saying that people aren't allowed to feel happy about the rep that was in the vid. they are. no question, if that rep made you happy then be happy. that's fine!
another thing. people are pointing to her origninal casting call vid saying only wanted hot mascs in response to ppl saying there was a lack of studs or fat butches or disabled butches or literally anyone darker than a paper bag, and to that i say. it sounds like you're saying none of those folks can be hot.
check yourselves if you find yoursled having this thought. i am being so fucking real when i say this. if you think an underweight white woman wearing pants is hotter than a stud. you need to get your head screwed on straight.
i also keeo seeing people talking down to people who have real critisms of lucy. if you're talking down to these people acting like theyre beinf overly dramaitic. shut up.
and once again, this all feels like such a non issue we shouldn't be talking about this fucking much because another member of the band lucy got a majority of her fame from was threatened to be shot!
julien baker and torress as well as everyone else in their video for sugar in the tank were threatened.
i wish ppl were making think pieces about how scary that is rather than the lack of rep in lucy's video. myself included. but because every fukcing person and their mom on tiktok is making a 2 minute think peice like this shit is life or death. when its not.
you know what is, actual fucking death threats. it is just so frustrating to me that ppl are willfully ignorant to one thing overly focused on another.
i will probably keep responding to my own post over and over cause i just have a lot to say and think about.
seen lucy darus fans saying they are shocked at lack of diversity... um.. i hope that wasnt shocking to you... like at all. i already knew it was gonna be like that because mainstream queer artist usually dont include or cast darkskin people in their stuff. they cast non black people then add token lighterskinned black person or two as a "here damn". and they don't have to add them i guess. thats why we support our own black queer singers. we cant keep expecting this from white queers when they showed us time and time again 😭
as much as i love boygenius and their solo stuff they are white queers at the end of the day. they’re never gonna include the full spectrum of queerness because to them they don’t need to.
i have so many thoughts about this so i apologize if this is scattered.
i saw this originally on TORRES’ story yesterday and it honestly made me sick. this disheartening. and something about the way people have been reacting to julien’s new upcoming project as opposed to how they’re reacting to lucy’s is making my heart hurt
like, idk, they’re both essentially at the same level of fame since they were both in boygenius, and yet lucy is getting article after article and interviews upon interviews about her and julien’s press has been relatively quiet beyond the one podcast and the one magazine. while lucy is doing radio, she is getting written about in multiple articles, her music was used for a fashion show. idk, i just feel like people are reacting so differently to each of them and it’s frustrating.
like people like to act like julien is less talented or something when she’s not! i’d even argue more talented but that’s a whole other conversation.
it’s like when the whole summer boygenius was touring everyone only ever talked about phoebe. idk, it rubs me the wrong way.
connected but unrelated thought,
people’s reactions to lucy’s video yesterday also piss me off quite a bit
like, i keep seeing a lot of the same arguments, some that i agree with and some that i dont.
for one, complaining about a lack of representation. ie, they’re all skinny, they’re all white etc.
to that i think there were a couple of reasons. one, she was looking at the submissions for the video the day of the tiktok ban. now i don’t know how it all went down but i’m assuming she probably wanted to reach out to more people but had trouble.
also! as much as i love boygenius and their solo stuff as poc, i’m aware that most of their fans are not poc. those concerts are white asf and that’s fine. but she can’t pull poc out of her ass. she was casting from her fan base. if it’s mostly white, that’s what you’re gonna get in the video.
and another complaint i saw a lot was that it was mostly people who were her friends or were influencers. ie, mattie, naomi, elio idk how to spell his name. and again, i think this was just cause of the tiktok ban, she probably saw mostly people who got the most views in that short window of time she was looking.
another thing i saw was that these people weren’t masc enough or butch enough. and to that i say, shut your mouth. these are real people. you can be frustrated with the way the casting ended up happening and you can recognize that it wasn’t a full view of the whole spectrum of mascs/ butches in the community but attacking the individual people she put in the video is wrong.
i also saw some people complaining that she had elio in the vid and hes a trans man. if he calls himself masc and he auditioned and she casted him that is between them, not us and them. being masc isn’t inherently lesbian. being butch is. if he called himself butch that would be a different story but he didnt.
i also saw people complaining about cara being in it. i personally don’t care for her, but who cares…? she may not be masc presenting in her public appearances but we don’t know her. so get over it…
i also saw people that it was only influencers and her friends in the vid… i get this one, but again. i blame the tiktok ban. we in america thought it was going to be gone gone for a while leading up and a good chunk of time as it was banned. yes that wasn’t the case but i do think she just picked people with the most views, ie, the influencers. i do wish she would’ve been upfront that it’s gonna be a bunch of her friends but whatever. (sorry if i’m repeating myself i have a lot of thoughts.)
i also keep seeing people in the community being rude to lucy and saying she’s just an annoying bisexual. she’s not bi i dont think. and she is quite publicly unlabeled or pan. you can recognize the very white view she has of the community and recognize that she could’ve been more diverse without mislabeling her or bringing up her label at all.
and idk, it’s also so baffling to me that both of these people are getting attacked for just existing but like, julien is dealing with real homophobia and lucy is dealing with very chronically online biphobic assholes. it just baffles me how no one is talking about the real and scary homophobia that julien is experiencing but i swear i’m seeing everyone and their mom jump to attack or defend lucy.
and another thing. i think the general lack of public support for julien is because she’s masc, everyone wants a masc or a butch until you actually have protect them. idk
i’m thinking to much and if none of this made sense i’m sorry.
Country is a music genre that is even now seen as Southern US, very white and cis/heteronormative, as well as politically conservative. So for two LBPQ people, at least one of whom has leftist politics, who now live in LA (Julien) and NYC (Torres) despite both of them coming from the South (TN and GA, respectively) to which they still have a connection collaborating on a country album may always be anathema to some people, and those people can get stuffed.
As for Julien's solo work, something I've seen in other corners of the internet is her music seems less accessible compared to Phoebe's or Lucy's, or the boygenius catalogue as a whole. I don't agree with that assessment, personally. And I sure as hell don't believe she's less talented than Phoebe or Lucy. (NB: Julien's my fave of the three. I also enjoy Lucy's work.)
Another thought on the lack of press so far for SAPMW, compared to more of it for Lucy's next album: There may be a combination of timing and the label releasing them at work here. Lucy's album is due out in a month and a half as I write this (March 28, 2025) so there's likely going to be more anticipatory press than what we've seen so far. She's also now signed to Geffen, which is a much larger label compared to where she was -- and where Julien still is and which will be releasing SAPMW in mid-April 2025 (Matador) -- and my own guess is Geffen may have a larger press budget. Assuming there will be more press for SAPMW to come, it'll likely start happening sometime in March and into April. (Side note: Seems to me most of Julien's press for Little Oblivions happened close to its release date?)
Okay, the "Best Guess" music video... I think the critiques regarding representation (no deep-skinned Black butches/mascs, no fat butches/mascs, everyone handsome by Eurocentric standards) are true AND I think the reasons you give for why we saw who we saw in the video are spot on. I also wonder if we could've seen even broader representation had the auditions not been limited to Tiktok. Of course, neither Lucy nor Geffen could have predicted the ban would take place close to the time auditions were called for, sooo...yeah, there's that, too.
I think Lucy has self-identified as pansexual and/or queer, from what I understand? I remember her mentioning that on a podcast from some years back, though I don't remember which one.
I think the lack of public support for Julien could be simply because a lot of people are unaware of what's going on right now (this is the first time I've learned of it myself!). If they do know what's going on but are dismissive of it, yeah, that's not okay. I agree that her being masc may have something to do with it, too.
i have so many thoughts about this so i apologize if this is scattered.
i saw this originally on TORRES’ story yesterday and it honestly made me sick. this disheartening. and something about the way people have been reacting to julien’s new upcoming project as opposed to how they’re reacting to lucy’s is making my heart hurt
like, idk, they’re both essentially at the same level of fame since they were both in boygenius, and yet lucy is getting article after article and interviews upon interviews about her and julien’s press has been relatively quiet beyond the one podcast and the one magazine. while lucy is doing radio, she is getting written about in multiple articles, her music was used for a fashion show. idk, i just feel like people are reacting so differently to each of them and it’s frustrating.
like people like to act like julien is less talented or something when she’s not! i’d even argue more talented but that’s a whole other conversation.
it’s like when the whole summer boygenius was touring everyone only ever talked about phoebe. idk, it rubs me the wrong way.
connected but unrelated thought,
people’s reactions to lucy’s video yesterday also piss me off quite a bit
like, i keep seeing a lot of the same arguments, some that i agree with and some that i dont.
for one, complaining about a lack of representation. ie, they’re all skinny, they’re all white etc.
to that i think there were a couple of reasons. one, she was looking at the submissions for the video the day of the tiktok ban. now i don’t know how it all went down but i’m assuming she probably wanted to reach out to more people but had trouble.
also! as much as i love boygenius and their solo stuff as poc, i’m aware that most of their fans are not poc. those concerts are white asf and that’s fine. but she can’t pull poc out of her ass. she was casting from her fan base. if it’s mostly white, that’s what you’re gonna get in the video.
and another complaint i saw a lot was that it was mostly people who were her friends or were influencers. ie, mattie, naomi, elio idk how to spell his name. and again, i think this was just cause of the tiktok ban, she probably saw mostly people who got the most views in that short window of time she was looking.
another thing i saw was that these people weren’t masc enough or butch enough. and to that i say, shut your mouth. these are real people. you can be frustrated with the way the casting ended up happening and you can recognize that it wasn’t a full view of the whole spectrum of mascs/ butches in the community but attacking the individual people she put in the video is wrong.
i also saw some people complaining that she had elio in the vid and hes a trans man. if he calls himself masc and he auditioned and she casted him that is between them, not us and them. being masc isn’t inherently lesbian. being butch is. if he called himself butch that would be a different story but he didnt.
i also saw people complaining about cara being in it. i personally don’t care for her, but who cares…? she may not be masc presenting in her public appearances but we don’t know her. so get over it…
i also saw people that it was only influencers and her friends in the vid… i get this one, but again. i blame the tiktok ban. we in america thought it was going to be gone gone for a while leading up and a good chunk of time as it was banned. yes that wasn’t the case but i do think she just picked people with the most views, ie, the influencers. i do wish she would’ve been upfront that it’s gonna be a bunch of her friends but whatever. (sorry if i’m repeating myself i have a lot of thoughts.)
i also keep seeing people in the community being rude to lucy and saying she’s just an annoying bisexual. she’s not bi i dont think. and she is quite publicly unlabeled or pan. you can recognize the very white view she has of the community and recognize that she could’ve been more diverse without mislabeling her or bringing up her label at all.
and idk, it’s also so baffling to me that both of these people are getting attacked for just existing but like, julien is dealing with real homophobia and lucy is dealing with very chronically online biphobic assholes. it just baffles me how no one is talking about the real and scary homophobia that julien is experiencing but i swear i’m seeing everyone and their mom jump to attack or defend lucy.
and another thing. i think the general lack of public support for julien is because she’s masc, everyone wants a masc or a butch until you actually have protect them. idk
i’m thinking to much and if none of this made sense i’m sorry.
also, not to be that person, but all of this is giving the rise of fascism… the wanting butches/ mascs to be a certain way, hating on julien and torres…
like… queer folks aren’t immune to being facist…
wanting femmes to act a certain way, wanting butches/ mascs to act a certain way, hating queer people all together….
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