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[manga-sanami]

*Blocks all SaNami shippers I catch claiming that OPLA SaNami/Sanji/Nami is superior to the manga version of the ship/characters*

[mxrtisblog]

Nami when Sanji…

[frutigeraeroween]

i'm actually giggling & smiling so hard rn like mileven being so iconic that the mike snl skits revolved around him never moving on from el & dragging his friends along to iceland to find her omg i love being a mileven we never lose

[lans-x]

notice how it’s mostly byler fans that call eleven jane!! you don’t actually care about her ‘real name’ you just want to separate her from the party by not calling her the first nickname she was given by a friend!! mike giving her the nickname el was the first shred of kindness she was shown by a child her age. by calling her jane, you are reducing her to the trauma she has around her past and mother. especially as the only other time she used the name jane was when she was horrifically bullied in california

maybe this is stupid idk but i always feel like when people call her jane it feels so unpersonal and like she’s a stranger to the original party. i feel like byler fans call her jane because they want to completely seperate her character from mike and the party. i understand some just want her to be “independent” but the truth is all of the love el knows is the party and you can’t change that :((

[queen-of-andor]

Part 2 of Sanji drinking the Nami appreciation juice ( part one is here):

[midgardianqueenreturns]

One of my least favorite things Sanji/Pudding shippers do is make Sanji sound so unloved and undesirable as well as demonizing how he treats women besides her in order to make Pudding’s feelings for him and his treatment of her more “unique.” They say stuff like “Pudding’s the only girl into Sanji!” or “I ship it because I can’t see any other woman liking Sanji!” are Viola and Osome a joke to you I even saw one claim Pudding is “the only woman who accepts every side of Sanji” SCREW YOU SCREW YOU SCREW YOU guess we’re gonna ignore Viola literally read his mind and fell for him despite being disgusted with what she saw at first. When you do confront them with the fact Pudding’s far from the only woman who’s into Sanji, they try to downplay Viola and Osome’s feelings by saying crap like that Viola’s feelings weren’t “real” because she didn’t cry when he left (let’s ignore context and that unlike Pudding she had less reason to cry) or that Osome and Cosette would’ve been disgusted and lost interest if they saw Sanji’s perverted side (way to miss the point of Oda showing how women like Sanji’s chivalry more than they dislike his perversion). They also say crap like that Pudding is “the only girl Sanji treats right” because he acted less pervy towards her after the wedding…even though Osome shows this is how Sanji acts towards ALL women who are earnestly attracted to him. They will claim stuff like that Sanji is “his worst self” or has “his worst moments” around Nami and Robin (the moments where he saves them mean nothing I guess).

Ship whatever you want, but man, the way Sanji/Pudding shippers degrade Sanji and miss the point of Whole Cake Island really pisses me off. Tell me, what hits harder, if Sanji’s treatment of Pudding in Whole Cake Island was to show his chivalry and kindness (y’know, the point of the arc), or to show “the only time he treats a woman right”????

Fact is, Pudding is NOT the only woman into Sanji, nor the only woman who “accepts every side of him”, nor the only woman Sanji treats right.

[aladybetween2majors]

I'm noticing a pattern with the people who insist on calling El, Jane. (Bylers)

It's like they want to erase the fact that El is a name given to her by Mike, a name that humanises her.

I can't get comfortable with calling her Jane because to me it's a remnant of the life she could have had but never got to.

El represents the best parts of the life she did have. There was sadness, yes. But she made friends, found love and community. She did all that as El. It's not a name that belongs to her abusers. It's hers.

Also I just saw a byler refer to her as "Mike's dear friend, Jane" WTF?😀

No matter how shitty the writing for Mileven got in season 5, nothing can erase all their moments together and how important they are to each other. Especially not fans of a fanon crackship.

[hahfiwbdb]

I'm noticing that a certain subset of this fandom is very very keen on the idea of El being dead, whenever a cast member (Not that I care particularly what the cast thinks) says they believe she's dead they're always quick to jump at that and "agree".

But when a cast member says they believe she's alive, those people always turn a blind eye to that....

Well, it doesn't matter because in both scenarios Mike's love for El is so powerful and y'all can never change that.

[nonscathingbullets]

Okay, so I used to say that I wasn't really a Mileven shipper, but finale made me realize how much I actually really love their relationship and here's why.

I love the fact that El is off doing whatever she needs to do and Mike is just like "yep, that's my superhero."

He never really questions anything, he just goes with the flow.

I actually really enjoy that they're not together 24/7. It adds a layer to their relationship because unlike the other ships, their relationship isn't normal.

I disagree with everyone saying they don't really love each other because they're never together. I think it's just because there are way more important things to worry about, and that usually requires El to be somewhere else.

If they were always together just for the sake of the audience believing their relationship, a lot of important stuff wouldn't get done.

He's always encouraging her to fight and doesn't try to hold her down even with fear of her being hurt.

He's right there to help any way he can and to give her a pep talk if necessary.

I really loved the last scene with the two of them. It made me cry.

They are the embodiment of two individuals who don't let they're relationship with each other define them as people.

Mike is a wonderful boyfriend. He definitely loves with all his heart and it shows.

[hahfiwbdb]

Hey, I think everyone needs to relax and consider that the cast won't openly express that they disliked the ending, and anything they express is likely some nonsense the duffers pushed onto them. For example that disgusting narrative about El being "magic of childhood" you need to get over.

Sadie essentially rehearsed what the duffers said when she was asked on the fallon show.

Finn will likely say something along those lines too, like the ending "really closed off our characters arcs" and all that crap about being satisfied.

So we need to relax and take a step back, they spent s5 promotion hyping up stuff that didn't come true and the culprit for that is the duffers just feeding them nonsense to rehearse.

Remember they kept saying "We decided to leave that for our audience to decide" lol.

[hahfiwbdb]

I need these two idiots to stop comparing el to E.T it's pissing me off.

That being said, these guys backtracked again and now stated that the mileven reunion is possible in the future and that mike and el can find their way back to each other....so mileven endgame just not shown on our screen....

Idiots you could've just included the reunion and be done with it.

[hahfiwbdb]

I really want to make a long detailed analysis on how SaNami compliment each other so well, and them being an official item wouldn't ruin anything in the crew..but I just lack the motivation right now, the flashback has been going on for so long, and tbh I genuinely think SaNa chances of being canon are lower than before.

[hahfiwbdb]

It's so so obvious that they realised if they did this, they'd be wasting an opportunity to milk the series and money grab even more.

Don't believe me? They're trying so hard to push the ambiguity of the ending to keep fans "engaged". Her death has far more plot holes than her surviving, and her being alive is more likely. They know it's not that ambiguous, but they probably said to themselves

"Why should I rush their happily ever after and end it with this season? I could keep them talking about the possibilities for years and then we'll drop the spinoff that we tried so hard to keep in the dark. More money hahahaha"

There's a reason they lied so much, continue to lie and lie. Them trying to act like they aint cash hungry clowns and chasing that spinoff in long term proves it.

[hahfiwbdb]

I'd say they're trying to soft launch the spin off, but these two clowns don't know what they wrote so they're likely just yapping as usual.

It's good enough for me that millie knows her fare and she believes like the rest of us.

[hahfiwbdb]

So what was the point of 3 year production and season 5?

I guess if we answering questions ourselves then maybe the duffer clowns should've released an email with the plot outline and left every question up to fandom interpretation.

Well, since these guys themselves got no clue what happened. I'm gonna use logical consistency to say that the idea of Mike and El reunion being unlikely cos it's "dangerous" is simply illogical.

El will drop mike a signal when it's safe and they'll both have their happy reunion.

And, since owens fate is also ambiguous, we'll just assume he survived and helped el stay hidden again...

You know what too? Stancy Jancy Byler Stonathon Ronance Rovickie Duzie all of y'all can make up something since it's up to us to fill in the gaps.

[hawkinsschoolcounselor]

All the shrugging from them just pisses me off.

You're telling me Kay didn't take them in and interrogate them? Investigate them to see if they had any biological changes as a result of them going into the Abyss?

You wrote this piece of garbage. Even if you don't show it, you should know these answers. Leaving it up to the audience isn't clever. It's just a way to get out of explaining things.

[aemona]

Especially Will... they let him go just like that ??? After the surviving (?) military members (or there should've been any footage) of what Will did to that Demogorgons like I wouldn't have let him go (at least)

[hawkinsschoolcounselor]

I hadn't thought of that, but it is very strange that they were totally unaware of what Will did. There was surveillance everywhere.

Another plot hole.

[aemona]

Yeah realistically speaking (and I love Will btw) Will's ending doesn't makes sense I'm happy that he's alive and well but I'm still not sure how he survived or at least how he survived without any damage... Or how he's not targeted by people like Dr Kay...

[hahfiwbdb]

In the article they asked them why will was not affected and they made up some BS about mindflayer dying before henry or something? So that's why he never felt it....LOL

[hahfiwbdb]

So what was the point of 3 year production and season 5?

I guess if we answering questions ourselves then maybe the duffer clowns should've released an email with the plot outline and left every question up to fandom interpretation.

Well, since these guys themselves got no clue what happened. I'm gonna use logical consistency to say that the idea of Mike and El reunion being unlikely cos it's "dangerous" is simply illogical.

El will drop mike a signal when it's safe and they'll both have their happy reunion.

And, since owens fate is also ambiguous, we'll just assume he survived and helped el stay hidden again...

You know what too? Stancy Jancy Byler Stonathon Ronance Rovickie Duzie all of y'all can make up something since it's up to us to fill in the gaps.

[hawkinsschoolcounselor]

All the shrugging from them just pisses me off.

You're telling me Kay didn't take them in and interrogate them? Investigate them to see if they had any biological changes as a result of them going into the Abyss?

You wrote this piece of garbage. Even if you don't show it, you should know these answers. Leaving it up to the audience isn't clever. It's just a way to get out of explaining things.

[hahfiwbdb]

So true, they're lazy af & clearly don't care

[hahfiwbdb]

So what was the point of 3 year production and season 5?

I guess if we answering questions ourselves then maybe the duffer clowns should've released an email with the plot outline and left every question up to fandom interpretation.

Well, since these guys themselves got no clue what happened. I'm gonna use logical consistency to say that the idea of Mike and El reunion being unlikely cos it's "dangerous" is simply illogical.

El will drop mike a signal when it's safe and they'll both have their happy reunion.

And, since owens fate is also ambiguous, we'll just assume he survived and helped el stay hidden again...

You know what too? Stancy Jancy Byler Stonathon Ronance Rovickie Duzie all of y'all can make up something since it's up to us to fill in the gaps.