hellaverseficideas

I'm not good at writing fics but I'm really good at coming up with prompts so

[hellaverseficideas]

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[maxiemumdamage]

So, like. Given that Rosie is Victorian Era and Alastor lived in the Edwardian-Depression Era at the latest, she was not a powerful Overlord in Hell whom Alastor happened to reach with his rituals. That’s not why he got her on the line.

We know now exactly what made Alastor’s meteoric rise to power possible — meaning we know there’s no way a handful of decades were enough to become top Overlord in Hell under normal circumstances.

We also know now that “most powerful Sinner” still comes with an upper ceiling of power that can’t touch Archangels, including (presumably) the Morningstar family.

Rosie was the one Alastor reached with his ritual because she’s not an Overlord. If she were, their deal would be voided by the fact she remains more powerful than him, and he’s therefore not the strongest Sinner in Hell. He is. And he’s still nowhere near her level. He still has no hope of changing their deal.

I thought the Rosie-is-Roo/Eve theorists were all crazy, but yeah. It’s looking extremely likely bordering on already-canon now.

[hellaverseficideas]

OH MY GOD. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

also....anyone else find it extremely sus how rosie was like, of course you wouldn't have been able to fight an ARCHANGEL, like shes familiar with the power levels of angelic systems.

has she dealt with angels before? has she FOUGHT with an angel before? (if we assume she isnt a sinner, lucifer should be able to harm her/fight her) Did she fight with lucifer?

What's with the royal family statue in cannibal town? Aunty Rosie?

I don't think she could be Eve, because Eve is a former human...so she would technically be a sinner, which would clash with alastors contract.

So. Rosie isn't a sinner. thats neat.

[hellaverseficideas]

Wait, question, was Adam a winner?

[hppjmxrgosg]

proud victim of the tumblr accent. it's fading out of public consciousness as the tik tok accent takes precedence; a linguistic evolution that makes the tumblr accent 85% funnier to unsuspecting civilians. it's like releasing a disease on a non-inoculated population. coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb.

[rat-rambles]

The way I think Verosika and Alastor would get along so well.

[hellaverseficideas]

RADIOPOP MEET CUTE AU RIGHT NOWWWWWW

[maxiemumdamage]

So, like. Given that Rosie is Victorian Era and Alastor lived in the Edwardian-Depression Era at the latest, she was not a powerful Overlord in Hell whom Alastor happened to reach with his rituals. That’s not why he got her on the line.

We know now exactly what made Alastor’s meteoric rise to power possible — meaning we know there’s no way a handful of decades were enough to become top Overlord in Hell under normal circumstances.

We also know now that “most powerful Sinner” still comes with an upper ceiling of power that can’t touch Archangels, including (presumably) the Morningstar family.

Rosie was the one Alastor reached with his ritual because she’s not an Overlord. If she were, their deal would be voided by the fact she remains more powerful than him, and he’s therefore not the strongest Sinner in Hell. He is. And he’s still nowhere near her level. He still has no hope of changing their deal.

I thought the Rosie-is-Roo/Eve theorists were all crazy, but yeah. It’s looking extremely likely bordering on already-canon now.

[hellaverseficideas]

OH MY GOD. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

also....anyone else find it extremely sus how rosie was like, of course you wouldn't have been able to fight an ARCHANGEL, like shes familiar with the power levels of angelic systems.

has she dealt with angels before? has she FOUGHT with an angel before? (if we assume she isnt a sinner, lucifer should be able to harm her/fight her) Did she fight with lucifer?

What's with the royal family statue in cannibal town? Aunty Rosie?

I don't think she could be Eve, because Eve is a former human...so she would technically be a sinner, which would clash with alastors contract.

So. Rosie isn't a sinner. thats neat.

[nonbeans]

I'm still of the mind that your sinner body not only takes the form of your death, but also is based at least a little on what type of sin it was. I can't stop thinking about how Vox was always obsessed with fish and sharks and stuff. And you'd think, "oh yeah, shark that killed to the top of the food chain" or whatever. But not just that. His main sin was ENVY. He envied anyone that got what he didn't have.

And Envy is connected to the fish hellborn. And Vox had gills (when he had a body lol).

Another good one is Zizi being very similar to Bee and her sin being Gluttony. And Zizi's sin, I'm guessing being Gluttony since she is a big partier.

Those two wrath-related overlords too, how they're based in a wild west set when we see them in "Bad with us".

So which sin would Alastor be? Well, I'm still trying to figure that out. One would immediately think Pride. Sure. He's got a lot of that. But I'm thinking Greed. His power is sickly green. He made a deal for power, purely just to enrich himself. And just like Vox, just differently, he seems to only endlessly want more power or to be the most powerful.

I could go on lol.

[hellaverseficideas]

Greed is a jester and alastor is a circus tent

[hellaverseficideas]

The circus themes of hazbin need to be dissected i am so serious, lemme look some things up

[hellaverseficideas]

"Social Circus refers to the growing movement toward the use of circus arts as mediums for social justice and social good. It uses alternative pedagogical tools to work with youth who are marginalized or at social or personal risk."

hmm

[nonbeans]

I'm still of the mind that your sinner body not only takes the form of your death, but also is based at least a little on what type of sin it was. I can't stop thinking about how Vox was always obsessed with fish and sharks and stuff. And you'd think, "oh yeah, shark that killed to the top of the food chain" or whatever. But not just that. His main sin was ENVY. He envied anyone that got what he didn't have.

And Envy is connected to the fish hellborn. And Vox had gills (when he had a body lol).

Another good one is Zizi being very similar to Bee and her sin being Gluttony. And Zizi's sin, I'm guessing being Gluttony since she is a big partier.

Those two wrath-related overlords too, how they're based in a wild west set when we see them in "Bad with us".

So which sin would Alastor be? Well, I'm still trying to figure that out. One would immediately think Pride. Sure. He's got a lot of that. But I'm thinking Greed. His power is sickly green. He made a deal for power, purely just to enrich himself. And just like Vox, just differently, he seems to only endlessly want more power or to be the most powerful.

I could go on lol.

[hellaverseficideas]

Greed is a jester and alastor is a circus tent

[hellaverseficideas]

The circus themes of hazbin need to be dissected i am so serious, lemme look some things up

[atlantis-just-drowned]

Has anyone ever thought of a reader/oc insert x Lucifer where the reader/oc was a satanist when they were alive??? I haven't seen this trope go around that much and it kinda makes me mad because seriously???

I'm talking, someone who got so used to being pointed out as unfit, to being seen as bad and "the problem" that they said "okay well if i'm going to piss you off anyway let's go the satanic route as well"???

Lucifer "I hate hell and all of its population and I'm still clinging to my angelic nature" Morningstar x "hell is the only home i've ever been promised and the only one i know so i don't want to be redeemed, only to not be looked down on" reader/oc???????

Both of them bounding over the hypocrisy of angels??? Lucifer still kinda seeing most sinners are pure irredeemable pieces of trash discovering that a whole bunch of said sinners (including reader/oc) see him as a sort of martyr of heaven representing the demonisation of creativity and authenticity to a point some even idealise him beyond belief???

The angst potential of reader/oc slowly starting to feel let down and deceived (or even betrayed) the more Lucifer expresses his hatred of sinners and the more they see him unwilling to act on heaven's cruelty/kinda agreeing with heaven???? All the while Lucifer only shows these parts of him because he's slowly starting to trust the reader/oc and thinks he can be vulnerable with them about his leftover religious traumas?????????????

Both of them developing feelings for one another but reader/oc still can't get past the whole "sinners are trash" and just goes "well how can you say you love me if you're still agreeing with heaven?"

Anyways I think this would deserve to be explored somehow, but I might as well just be turning insane

[hazbinhazmeinachokehold]

y'know what? Screw it, I'm not gonna only mention it in the tags.

Almost all of the hate towards Charlie is misogyny, and people being upset that a woman who is usually kind dares to show any other emotion, and to be upset with their precious little guy.

(Never mind that the woman is mad at her dad, who objectively messed up.)

[hellaverseficideas]

let a woman get mad at her dad cmon

[hellaverseficideas]

Vox and Dehumanisation

*insert metaphorical comparision of vox being an object in death and him not allowing himself to see himself as human*

do you think he will have to come to terms with his humanity to get redeemed? now that I typed that out, it feels like an obvious conclusion, what with his delusions of godhood in season 2. but I'm not talking about him realizing he is not a god, I'm talking about embracing the fact that he is a human soul.

You think his angelic self will just be him as is human self? Accepting and embracing the inherent imperfections that solely come with the human experience?

Will he be able to stop wanting more? Be comfortable in his own skin?

[rat-rambles]

Spiritually Lucifer and Stolas are twins.

[hellaverseficideas]

this is exactly what i mean

[alastors-totally-canon-deertail]

My ideal Hellradio dynamic for S3.

[l-egionaire]

I have to say, I REALLY feel like this scene where Charlie implies that her mother made her feel like she was "a meaningless person" absolutely deserves more discussion by the Fandom. Both because it explains SO much about Charlie as a character and her motivations and insecurities, but also because...it is just so fucking SAD.

Like, the WAY Charlie says this is just so painful. Its not in a "Oh I just realized this way" it's more in a way that implies she ALWAYS felt this way with mom. That she ignored her, made her feel meaningless. That she hurt her in this way. And I think something that sticks out to me is how Charlie DOESN'T sound angry. She doesnt say it in a mad way. Its just sad acceptance. Like "yeah. Mom was just....like that...."

And I know some might question why it is Charlie doesnt HATE Liliith or at least resent her the same way she does Lucifer. And I think it comes down to Charlie...AGREEING with that idea of her being meaningless in comparison to Lilith's responsibilities. I mentioned this in previous post, but Charlie and Lilith's situation is basically that of a parent who had a really important job that ate up a lot of their time and a child who saw how important that job was and thus devalued herself because of it. Charlie says it herself, Lilith was the voice of the people. She was the queen of Hell. And that meant more then Charlie. Compared to all of Hell, Charlie probably figured she WAS meaningless. SHE wasn't as important as their kingdom. In Charlie's eyes, whereas Lucifers neglect felt like it was due to him just not wanting to see her, Lilith's neglect was just a byproduct of her important duties. That being the ruler of Hell meant more than spending time with Charlie.

And again, this DESERVES more attention. Because, to me at least, its right up there with Steven Universes "I didn't even know my mom" in terms of how ir presents a new side to the protagonist.

[hellaverseficideas]

Hi, I'm Back

i cannot wait for lucifer to start putting belt to ass once he's introduced in helluva boss

[writing-prompt-s]

You were the first doctor to sell your soul to a demon in order to be able to summon them into your patients for diagnostic reasons. Now you're dead, you're trying to work out why you're both in paradise rather than eternal torment.

[hellaverseficideas]

Imagine the possibilities 🤩

[lambleigh]

Most shippers treat Alastor like an accessory

this can also apply to the fandom overall not just shippers

Alastor is treated similar to how a lot people treat woman in fiction and real life.

I want to start this post with a bit of context before getting into specific ships and how shippers tend to depict Alastor. I’ve never really liked most Alastor ships. I’m very attached to him as a character, and anything that feels too out of character immediately loses me. To me, almost all Alastor ships especially when they’re framed as mutually romantic or sexual feel like mischaracterization.

That said, there’s been something else bothering me beyond just “this feels OOC.” While watching how Alastor is depicted in certain ships and how people interpret him, I kept feeling unsettled in a way I couldn’t fully articulate. I couldn’t quite put my finger on what, specifically, I disliked. It took me about 2 years (since season 1) to finally understand it and it turns out it wasn’t just mischaracterization that made these ships uncomfortable to me.

A lot of Alastor shipping content doesn’t engage with him as a subject. Instead, he becomes:

A status symbol (“look who I paired him with”)

A reward

A moral trophy

Or an aesthetic (voice, smile, suit, power)

These are accessory treatment.

In fiction, this has historically happened to women:

Their inner lives are irrelevant unless they serve a romance

Their trauma is “flavor”

Their boundaries are ignored because desire overrides consent

Their personality is flattened to traits that please the viewer

With Alastor, you see the same mechanic on how the fandom treats him:

His canon aversion to intimacy is dismissed as “fixable” or a kind of obstacles to work around

His autonomy is overwritten so a ship can function

His trauma is romanticized instead of respected

His violence and control issues are aestheticized rather than interrogated

He stops being a character and becomes a thing to be used for emotional payoff.

He’s objectified like how many women in fiction are because of his demeanor (I believe that’s way), it's actually really interesting to watch. Alastor’s gentleman-like behavior mirrors a set of expectations that have historically been imposed on women in fiction: perfection in every way

Women in fiction are often expected to be:

Polite

Composed

Emotionally contained

Aesthetically pleasing even in distress

Alastor performs that exact thing:

Constant smile

Controlled speech

Impeccable manners

Emotional restraint even under pressure

Alastor can not have any real uglyness to him that isn't visually pleasing to the audience I’ve seem this with how people constantly compare “pilot” Alastor to “show” Alastor (they're the same person to me) where people often expression how they don't like how “show” Alastor shows more of himself and “pilot” was far more contained and it was harder to truly see his emotions. “Pilot Alastor is praised by some people for being more energetic and enthusiastic even thought in the show they make it known that Alastor is getting more and more tired of working at the hotel, he isn't allowed to actually express that in anyway “We can know that he's annoyed but they shouldn't show that too much, it's unpleasant”.

Because he performs flawless composure, audiences subconsciously assume:

> “He exists to be looked at, not listened to.”

That’s the same expectations female characters fall into.

Moral containment

Women are often expected to be “good victims”:

Suffer quietly

Remain likable

Be redeemable and nurturing despite trauma

Alastor gets shoved into a warped version of this:

His darkness is acceptable only if it’s “cool”

His boundaries are ignored because he’s “charming”

His refusal of romance is framed as denial, not choice

Alastor is not allow to verbally express any real discomfort he feels

His gentlemanliness makes people feel entitled to him.

Emotional labor projection

Another parallel:

Women are often expected to regulate others’ emotions.

With Alastor:

People sometimes project emotional softness onto him

They expect him to “eventually open up”

People expect Alastor to open up without any real justification, as if his comfort and vulnerability are things others are entitled to. He’s expected to feel safe and emotionally available on command, even when he’s given no reason to trust or soften.

*Mind you this is the scene right after Vox forced Alastor to watch him and Val have sex

They want him to be the stable, controlled one in relationships

And humbling him and expecting him to effortlessly take care of himself and others all at the same time

But canon Alastor does not exist to soothe others.

That expectation is imposed on him just like it is on women, but why does this happens specifically to Alastor?

Alastor sits at a crossroads of traits that trigger objectification:

Power without any vulnerability

Elegance without emotional access

Restraint mistaken for consent

Trauma hidden behind competence

When a character refuses to emote on demand, fandom often responds by rewriting them to make them consumable.

That rewriting is gendered even when the character is male.

The irony here is that:

Alastor is one of the few characters whose entire arc is about:

Control

Autonomy

Refusal to be owned

Weaponized politeness

And fandom responds by trying to own him anyway.

When a character:

Is composed

Is desirable

Withholds emotional access

Refuses normative intimacy

They are punished by being objectified.

Now with all this mind

One of the things that makes Alastor such a compelling character is that he withholds from us people wanna know him more. He is polite but not warm, charming but not open, helpful but not selfless. He performs control so well that people forget it is a performance. His smile is constant, his manners are impeccable, his voice never cracks and because of that, audiences often assume he is simple. He looks and acts as if he has everything emotionally together when it far more possible he doesn’t.

Alastor is emotionally blunted, not empty. He feels selectively, inconsistently, and often without clarity. He forms attachments slowly on his own terms, and usually through routine, usefulness, or shared structure rather than intimacy. He values autonomy above almost everything. He does not like being owned, commanded, or morally reframed by others. Even his “kindness” is conditional and deliberate. Nothing about him is accidental.

And yet, despite all of this, fandom consistently treats Alastor as if his interiority is optional.

My comparison to him and how women are treated in fiction becomes unavoidable.

In fiction, women especially composed, polite, emotionally restrained women are often treated less as subjects and more as functions . Their trauma is aesthetic. Their boundaries are negotiable. Their refusal is interpreted as tension rather than a choice. Their restraint is read as availability. They are expected to be perfect, palatable, and ultimately consumable.

Alastor fits that same mold almost too well.

He is gentlemanly. He is controlled. He is aesthetically pleasing. He does not emote “correctly.” He rarely explains himself. And because of that, fandom feels entitled to rewrite him into something more accessible. His lack of interest in romance becomes a challenge. His autonomy becomes something to be overcome. His refusal becomes “he just hasn’t met the right person yet.”

Instead of asking who Alastor is, fandom often asks what he can be used for.

That pattern becomes especially obvious when you look at how he’s handled in ships.

Take Lucifer, for example.

In a lot of radioapple content, Alastor is made subservient emotionally, morally, or literally. He is framed as someone who needs to be put in his place, corrected, commanded, or owned. For a recent example of this the “executioner theory” where Lucifer makes a deal with Alastor that allows him to order Alastor to kill on command, as if Alastor’s entire character arc hasn’t been about resisting ownership and refusing chains. This theory alone full proves my point about how a lot people use and place Alastor in different pairs as a mere accessory. What benefit does Alastor have at all in this scenario and even if there was one can't he just optain it himself especially without being under ownership again.

This dynamic is bizarre on a narrative level, but it’s worse on a thematic one.

Alastor is black, mixed-raced Creole man from the early 1900s. Lucifer is depicted as a white, aristocratic embodiment of old power. When fandom imagines Lucifer commanding Alastor, controlling his violence, or “taming” him, it recreates a racialized power dynamic whether people intend it or not. A powerful Black man’s autonomy is stripped so a white authority figure can be centered as dominant, tragic, or morally superior.

What’s especially telling is that these interpretations often ignore Charlie entirely. A deal where Lucifer controls Alastor’s actions by killing any sinner he commands directly contradicts Charlie’s ideology, her dream, and goes against the overall narrative of Hazbin. But those themes are inconvenient when the goal is a ship, so they’re discarded.

Alastor’s autonomy is sacrificed first.

Instead of Lucifer fans trying to question why Lucifer sees not causing harm as a form of punishment to begin with, they instead jump to trying to fix Lucifers problem cuz “poor him” and instead of taking a moment and wondering why Lucifer has that specific punishment to begin with they come to the conclusion of “Lets use Alastor to fix Lucifers personal “problem””.

With Vox, the treatment shifts but the objectification doesn’t disappear.

In Radiosilence (the one-sided dynamic), Alastor often becomes the unattainable prize. His lack of interest isn’t respected as a boundary; it’s framed as an obstacle. Vox’s obsession is explored, centered, indulged while Alastor’s subjectivity fades into the background. He exists to be wanted. Even tho Alastor presents and how he feels about Vox is the prime reason for the existence of this specific kind of ship Ive only seen few people actually dive into how Alastor would feel or behave in this scenario (even tho its canon now) it is almost always focused on how Vox feels.

In Radiostatic, the problem becomes even clearer. Alastor is frequently aestheticized to the point of abstraction. His femininity stays in this one which for some reason is quite rare as people often remove this trait from Alastor within some ships of him, but they sometimes strip his agency. He’s depicted as something Vox has a status symbol, a beautiful possession, emotional jewelry. In many cases, some radiostatic fans have even admitted to not even liking Alastor at all even tho they full ship this ship. He’s there to make Vox happy, to complete Vox’s narrative, to serve Vox’s emotional arc.

Alastor is no longer a person. He is an accessory.

This mirrors exactly how women in fiction are often treated in shipping spaces: valued for what they provide to another characters rather than who they are themselves.

Alastor’s entire character is built around resisting this exact thing. He does not give emotional access freely because he knows what happens when he does.

In some cases people will excuse Vox’s behaviour even if it's not for a ship by saying “Alastor actually enjoys being stalked he enjoys the harrassment, the assault” this very similar how people would blame and try to excuse similar behave made towards woman not even just in fiction.

And fandom responds to this by forcing access anyways, by rewriting his resistance as desire, reframing his boundaries as a kind of denial, and turning his control into compliance.

It’s honestly a shame, because there are so many thoughtful and interesting ways to explore a character like Alastor, yet so many people default to shallow or outright harmful depictions instead. I’ve seen people dismiss the exploration of (queer)platonic dynamics as boring and even when they don’t say it outright, it often feels like they simply don’t know how to engage with a character like Alastor unless romance or sex is involved.

His identity his refusal of intimacy, his control, his emotional distance could be incredibly fun and challenging to work with, but instead fandom keeps forcing him into amatonormative frameworks that flatten him. Rather than asking what kind of connections Alastor would choose, people focus on reshaping him into something easier to consume. And that, more than anything, feels like such a waste.

I also can’t help but notice that some people pride themselves in their understanding of complex issues like representation, ethics, or specific dynamics making analysis after analysis but when the opportunity arises and if they’re not faced with anything that they personally can not relate to or can not view as surface level, they shut down. They skim the surface, dismiss concerns, or talk over people actually trying to engage, because confronting the topic might force them to confront their own perception. It’s easier to stay comfortable, keep everything flat, and avoid thinking too deeply but doing that only guarantees the same problems keep repeating. The reaction people gave when the conversation of Alastor experiencing racism while alive and how people in this fandom would much rather fight hard to dismiss this idea rather look at how that would effect him and his relationships with others characters was telling, on how they are either ignorant and/or uncomfortable with digging deep into such topic

The fact that this is happening to a male character was actually very confusing to me at first I constantly wondered “what is it about character that makes people treat him like this”. There is more I wish to expand on but Alastor is non-normatively masculine, he's feminine in how he carries himself but he visually masculine enough where his popularity isn't diminished, his racially identity, emotionally restrained, and uninterested in traditional romance. Those are the same traits that have historically made women easier to objectify in fiction.

So, Why is Alastor’s autonomy always the first thing to go?

There something about Alastor that doesn't give him the same amount of privilege that other male character get and i do believe it has to do with even more things than just him having a lot of womanly attributes and once I notice it, I started to notice it everywhere and its very obvious that people are completely unaware of these implications when addressing Alastor but then that would have to bring up another conversation as to why these kinds of interpretation of him is the “default” and and why people don't immediately notice the implications of these depictions.

I could make a second part of this and going into more as to why this happens more maybe

This could probably be seen as a fandom critique post but I get scared posting anything that has critique and Hazbin in it cuz I dont wanna attract certain kind of people 😭, but this has got to be something that is my biggest problem with being in this fandom as it melts down into a lot of issues like, racism, misygony, a/arophobia, and even ableism if I wanted to go even deeper into things, obviously not ever shipper is doing this (I feel that should be common sense)

[hellaverseficideas]

All of this. Yes. Love it.

[nonbeans]

I'm still of the mind that your sinner body not only takes the form of your death, but also is based at least a little on what type of sin it was. I can't stop thinking about how Vox was always obsessed with fish and sharks and stuff. And you'd think, "oh yeah, shark that killed to the top of the food chain" or whatever. But not just that. His main sin was ENVY. He envied anyone that got what he didn't have.

And Envy is connected to the fish hellborn. And Vox had gills (when he had a body lol).

Another good one is Zizi being very similar to Bee and her sin being Gluttony. And Zizi's sin, I'm guessing being Gluttony since she is a big partier.

Those two wrath-related overlords too, how they're based in a wild west set when we see them in "Bad with us".

So which sin would Alastor be? Well, I'm still trying to figure that out. One would immediately think Pride. Sure. He's got a lot of that. But I'm thinking Greed. His power is sickly green. He made a deal for power, purely just to enrich himself. And just like Vox, just differently, he seems to only endlessly want more power or to be the most powerful.

I could go on lol.

[hellaverseficideas]

Greed is a jester and alastor is a circus tent