Discourse blog

Sideblog for posts too bitchy for my main blog

[han-the-human]

Hey so if I decided to say, "I'm homophobia affected because I'm a lesbian. These bisexual people are homophobia exempt." And then started saying stuff about "we should murder all homophobia exempt people!" While very clearly talking about bisexuals, that would be bad and detestable, right?

Then when bisexuals spoke up and were like "hey we actually do experience homophobia because we are often perceived as queer. Also I'm really uncomfortable with how I'm being treated in my own community" but I responded by spouting statistics about corrective rape and violence against lesbians (despite the fact they never denied the suffering of lesbians), while ignoring their actual objection, we could agree that would be a horrible and biphobic thing to do?

Cool, then can we stop doing it to trans men?

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

well, you see, the people saying this shit about trans men today are a lot of the same people who legit were saying this kind of thing about bisexuals and asexuals a few years ago. Like legit "trans men can benefit from detransitioning" is the new "bisexuals can pass as straight" and "transmisogyny-affected" is the new "same-gender attraction" and so on and so forth

[discofisting]

"unsavoury rumors" you mean accusing two black people of doxxing with no proof? you mean harassing ten fucking people at once? you mean justifying racist malgendering of a black trans man? you mean joking about daisy's destruction, the physical and sexual torture of an infant, the thing you admitted to doing multiple times across multiple different platforms a year ago? you mean harassing several children so hard they left the platform?

[discofisting]

are we also blackfishing, sparklenazi?

[blinkandyoullseeme]

A small compilation of posts from the latest trans twitter discourse. I haven't bothered to screenshot all of the most viral tweets, but also I think it's important to include a lot of the smart ass replies to really help you simulate just how many people are going under black posts and asking "well, what even is racism really?" And if you'd like to know, one of the largest black trans women on twitter was harassed off of the site. No she did not do anything in particular, just posted an image of a sign she didn't make herself that claimed white trans people oppress black trans people (referring to I believe the silencing of a black trans woman who was slated to speak at the protest but was kicked off last minute. @/septembersister, If that's accurate.)

More in the next reblog.

[blinkandyoullseeme]

I don't think it ended up in the screenshot but the scenario of the trans bipoc sex worker they were called sex pests in a reply. Victryena was harassed into deactivating.

This is why white feminism is so dangerous. You have to understand intersectionality, you have to listen to the black and brown trans people in your communities, you have to give them space to speak or you create places where it is less socially risky to have profited off of racism than it is to be black.

[blinkandyoullseeme]

I wonder how many times I can reblog this to add more posts? Until we have an anti racist trans community, we do not have a trans community.

[blinkandyoullseeme]

I keep forgetting I can only add 10 screenshots at a time. There's so many of these posts. Seeing more and more people claiming this isn't happening as well. It is violent to call someone a racist, it is not violent to be racist. TWOC exist to be used as tokens for discourse, but I would never ever center their issues. The TWOC who are being actively silenced in real life and online don't matter, MY feelings were hurt! I have struggles!

[blinkandyoullseeme]

Sorry if there are any duplicates, its getting hard to keep track.

[blinkandyoullseeme]

I think posters who are attempting to swing back on this conversation claiming this is an organized attack against trans women and fems are willfully ignorant. The sign does not name transfems. The sign is in defense of a trans woman. The vast majority of people making this about trans women are trans women posting racist bullshit. It's not my fault they are trans women. My go to search has been 'white trans' as well as off of my feed. Klansmascs and klansgender nonbinaries are also a plague on our spaces that keep us from community or action, but to dismiss this behavior as a psyop is to engage in apologia for racist communities and erasure of transmisogynoir.

A black trans women and a asian trans women have been harassed and silenced by white transgender "allies".

[blinkandyoullseeme]

Racism is a "personal grievance". Racism is a "niche cultural issue." Racism takes up all the air in the room and addressing it is hampering REAL action. Antiracism is "liberalism".

The most disgusting idea I have seen thrown at Vic, who is an asian trans woman, is that she is weaponizing racism or the struggles of TWOC/TPOC. Absurd as an idea of that is it makes me furious that we as a community continue to use the statistics of violence, sexual assault, and murders of black trans women to push for trans rights but when black trans women attempt to discuss racism they face backlash like this. We have tokenized the idea of the black trans woman as a silent victim, the emblem of transmisogynistic abuse, and continue to deny her her struggles lest she be masculinized and deemed an oppressive force herself.

Victry's racial identity is also important. As an asian woman and due to the racist misogynistic associations we, largely as American and Europeans, fetishize the 'natural femininity' of Asians. Her dysphoria is invalidated, she has had an 'easy transition', her sex work is weaponized as equivalent to racial violence. For those who haven't followed along, she returned to twitter with an eloquent statement I will add here.

I think its also important to notice how many of these creeds attempt to call on ones marxist values and position TPOC and POC as welding imaginary economic power over white victims. Sex work is continually used as a bludgeon (perverted sexually deviant TWOC are whining when they reap monetary gain vs white trans women as the victims of sexual violence forced to participate in survival sex work are being looked down upon by rich TWOC who never have to experience sexual violence to benefit)

[blinkandyoullseeme]

For every singular person rolling their eyes and proclaiming their oppression has tuned them into the concept of suffering, that their experiences make them the true savior of the oppressed masses who doesn't NEED to ever listen to another group, theres 10 more replies 'just wondering' why we 'even bother to see color', or if antiracist action was CIA funded to erode leftist unity, and all of them are trying to make this exclusively about trans women. It's insane.

It genuinely does NOT matter that your post discussing this is addressing racism among the entire community, I only had room to include one of these independent replies/quotes, but there is not that much of an independent push to attack white trans women it's all shadowboxing or virulent racism. We need to purge 4chan from our community

[blinkandyoullseeme]

A couple more to close this out.

Racism is trivial. What even IS race? These rich blacks are speaking over fragile abused white trannies. Racism is a niche issue, you're distracting from actual problems. Calling organizations racist is too aggressive, you can't speak here. You're being inflammatory. You're not showing enough nuance. How was I supposed to know theres a victim when all your political slogans are so mean and violent? Discussions of race is a CIA psyop meant to dissolve the left. I'm angry you called me white and this is YOUR fault. Calling me racist is the justifying transphobic violence. You're equating me to a police officer murdering black people right now! YOU support trans peoples deaths because of the color of their skin! I'm not racist! YOU'RE racist for noticing race!

All of these arguments are deflections and self victimization to avoid actually understanding your place in society. If you so uncomfortable with acknowledging race that you lash out violently against TWOC when they attempt to discuss it, you are a racist. I resent any attempts to take this discussion of racism within trans and queer spaces as a smear campaign.

[creatingblackcharacters]

The way every single one of these tweets is proving the sign correct...

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

wow, it just keeps going... deeply embarrassing behavior...

[isuggestaddressingthesuicides]

mousidy saying "bomb that makes people think all TMEs are rapists" and supporting a pedo rapist bc she is a trans woman

https://www.tumblr.com/noblackwomannocry/818437559068786688?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/mousidy/820257486792785920/bomb-that-makes-people-think-all-tmes-are-rapists?source=share

like this is not normal, and this is not ok.

Screenshot of her post

This is horrible and despite her not being the topic of this blog, she will be included for this post

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

bomb that kills everyone who uses "bomb that kills all transmascs" as a meme format

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

Tumblrina transfeminists will be like, "I'm a radical misandrist ultra feminist I hate trans men! And also cis women and afab nonbinary people! Cis men are fine tho" and it's like, I don't think you hate men at all actually. If only there was a word for judging people's moral worth based on their presumed biological sex, specifically that people designated "female" are inferior...

[beeswaxinmyears]

Cis women are already so cruel to trans men in real life and Salem’s artwork encouraging that is gross.

Slightly related, someone left a comment on the art calling it a T4T drawing when Heather is cis, and he did not comment or correct them. Which reminds me of Salem when he was in his Twitter days being ambiguous about his identity and misleading people into thinking he was a trans woman. Maybe I’m just making nonsense connections though.

Tbh I wasn't there for that I just know a the big stuff second hand. Hopefully he just didn't see it. But why correct it anyway? Even if it'd once again be playing into transphobic stereotypes. Trans women being seen as violent sexual deviants and trans men as weak, defenceless and so on. Can't blame the fan for the confusion. He has like 3 not fully abandoned cis OCs at most. Idunno if I wanna clog up Salem tags anymore tho :/

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

baffling that he gets held up by his friends as the Mostest Transfeminist Trans Man when he constantly portrays trans women as predators and trans men as stereotypical cis women in his art.

[unlearning-original-misogyny]

Hm. I wonder why that is....

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

she has a lot of nerve to call herself a feminist of any sort. "Ooh I hate everyone who was born a female they're all inherently evil" should we tell everyone? should we throw a party? should we invite r/inceltear?

[burnereightsixfiveonetwo]

Hey if you’re posting/reblogging anything about women’s sports atm please be aware that she might try to start a harassment campaign against you.

This is not a good faith attempt to discuss support of the wpbl/pwhl/any other women’s sport league and how they treat trans players. This is someone who seems to actively hate cis women and trans men. She will @ people until they engage, and then she and her followers will fill your notifs with really vile accusations and comments.

If she @s you, block her immediately. Block all of her followers who reblog her stuff. Again—this is not activism. She’s not trying to spread awareness or information. She’s trying to start targeted harassment campaigns against anyone who supports women’s sports in any capacity.

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

nobody said anything about women's sports what are you talking about. You sound like a crypto-TERF. And believe me, I've long since blocked lesbianchemicalplant.

[busket]

if you make up a new gendered binary to sort people into and nonbinary people ask "well where do I fit into this?" and your answer is "that depends on the sex you were assigned at birth" well I dont think thats very good, tbh

[loredwy]

I cant believe this tweet is how I find out

[would-you-punt-them]

now all the things you guys have told me about american high schools are starting to make sense

[jeaninelatragedia]

holy shit.

[frustratedasatruar]

You're not really supposed to say it this way, because its considered crass, but here in the US children are culturally and legally considered essentially the property of their parents.

Note that its considered more crass to point this out than it is to treat children as property in the first place.

[sodomit]

y'know most people talking about pregnant men are imagining a cis guy in that weird mpreg penis/butthole pregnancy right? this is not some psyop to detransition people this is a fantasy where cis perisex men can be made to suffer in a way that's historically only been for the people they oppress

I'm just gonna post this comment here again.

[sodomit]

I can do that for you.

Both are about using features that really exist among marginalized people as something to insult or degrade privileged people with. And in both cases, when members of the group that actually has this feature speak up, they're getting told that it's actually not about them, and that they should just accept their likeness used as a punchline.

[learn-how-to-love]

That “cringe” nonbinary xenogender genderfuck therian who uses neopronouns and may or may not go on HRT while being loudly, proudly themselves will always be more revolutionary and subversive than a binary trans person who aggressively reproduces the cis status quo and shames anyone who doesn’t do the same.

[learn-how-to-love]

^ fash loser to block

[learn-how-to-love]

@/elfetamine

@/doingitatmybirthdaydinner

@/blueeyesterfdragon

More transmed losers/chud TERFs from the notes to block (also report the last one for violent threats)

[learn-how-to-love]

Yet another example of how TERFs and TRFs are basically the same genre of person but with different fonts. So pissed off at the idea that their transmedicalism isn’t praxis that they start going off about other shit that shows their ass completely. “Cissexual nonbinary transmascs” just call them theyfabs and move on, Jesus Christ

[pullup-pup]

"oh you need to have your tma/tme status in your bio ^w^" im not telling you waht my genitals look like you fucking creep

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

How is pdb TMA?

How is pdb TMA?

How is pdb TMA?

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

Oh, this crowd calls Salem "Birthday boy final boss" Wolfertinger "honorary tma" too. TMA= person they like.

[bbblueberry-bunny]

I can't be the only one who isn't extremely uncomfortable with the trans woman serial killer OC he was posting the other day. Like. I'm sorry we need a moratorium on trans women serial killer characters, we're still having conversations about how Silence of the Lambs and Psycho have negatively impacted how trans women are treated and you're making another one, and she's scantily clad and ohhh she's sexy but also she (gasp) has a cock? IDK! I don't Like That!

.

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

this from "the only transfeminist trans man" and the "honorary TMA", as his friends call him. Jesus fuck.

The way he portrays trans people in general is so weird and bioessentialist and sexist and, well, transphobic from all angles and I'm sick of his art being heralded on this webbed site as such great trans representation.

[bbblueberry-bunny]

wis/bela apparently is now also claiming to have DID despite having literally 0 prior symptoms and her basically claiming to have developed it overnight... i am so fucking TIRED!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

system myself so dont cry fakeclaiming at me i'm absolutely fucking sick of the caricatures of dissociative disorders lately. salem is his own can of worms (can't even keep his story or alter roles straight) and now bela is claiming to be a totally new person, wis "died".

claiming this previous host to be "egotistical manic crazy and mean" just... lol. she's just reheating salem's "blame everything on 1 evil alter and pretend i was never insanely racist" nachos.

also: sorry bela, but even if you really got diagnosed from the beginning of the year to now, immediately trying to softlaunch a new identity by claiming your old host magically died forever doesn't exclude you, the new host, from holding yourself accountable. if you genuinely felt guilty for the horrific shit you said and did, mention it BY NAME. apologize to the MANY people you hurt. at bare minimum say you're sorry for the years of racism, r-pe defense and dating a goddamn r-pist.

but of course none of this is actual plurality or understanding mental health! she's just one of many people who misunderstand DID as "get out of jail free disorder" instead of "i have ZERO memory of doing and saying things for hours or even a full DAY at a time yet i still have to be the one to apologize for it and mend it". it sucks. it isn't fun.

I think someone predicted that she was gonna soft launch DID and claim wis died. Hate it when we're right

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

Lowkirkenuinely "I have DID but don't worry the Evil Alter is gone" is just the secular radqueer fake-leftist version of "I was possessed by demons, but don't worry because I found Jesus and was born again"

[tipm-bluejay]

welcome to tumblr, are you evil because your body is male and thats all you'll ever be or because your soul was always male and that's all you'll ever be?

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

that is the big distinction between TERFs and TRFs isn't it? Except for all their posturing about radical misandry kill all men yadda yadda they don't seem to have much negative to say about cis men... somehow the only men (or "men") they hate are women who used to be men or men who used to be women, and they have some suspiciously misogyny-shaped insults for both groups... I'm sure it's nothing.

[wolf3rthingy69]

IMO there's layers to the wreck of Hitomi and Hitch's relationship, or lackthereof. They exist primarily to be eroticized more than either is romanticized, given so much emphasis is placed on sexual traits Salem finds desirable. The difference between their treatment depends on which one Salem personally projects onto (Hitch), and which he idealizes as a sexual encounter. Hitch is objectified by Hitomi as a pussy because Salem cannot conceive of Hitch as anything more than a bottom, given the ways he associates femininity as receptive/passive/submissive. Contrastingly, Hitomi is objectified by Salem as a top and/or dom, given she is butch and has "masc" traits (a penis). Their designations as prey and predator further reinforce the stereotypes of their dynamic. I recall that Salem has said in a one-off skeet that Hitch tops Hitomi, but the weight of evidence in terms of his artwork and posting is in favour of objectified bottom pussyboy Hitch and comptop trans woman Hitomi. It's all steeped in racism, misogyny and toxic heteronormativity... so about what one would expect of Salem's creative ability.

At this point they’re just slop. Fetishized, with misogynistic societal stereotypes roots slop. You’ve put it into words very well. They’re not characters, they’re sex dolls that only serve the purpose of being jerking off material to Salem. But he also wants everyone to believe they’re beautiful complex characters that you should love and care about, but he doesn’t do the effort to actually make them characters and show is how “interesting” they are, he just wants you to believe his words. Never tought I would feel so fucking bad for a fictional mouse furry, but here I am.

[heseemstobeeatingsomething]

>"look at my super radical trans art that breaks gender stereotypes dude"

>is it breaking gender stereotypes or just enforcing different gender stereotypes on trans people based on their assigned sex, such as depicting trans women as dominant, lustful, and always the penetrating partner while depicting trans men as infantilized, submissive sex objects who will never truly look male and don't even really want to?

>"it's breaking gender stereotypes dude"

>looks inside