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conversations overheard through the batkid com lines pt 82 (masterpost here)

Jason: i'm just gonna say it; making a map of all food trucks that own liquor licenses in Gotham was the best thing we've done this year. i cannot believe that the best chocolate martini i've ever had was served to me in a paper bag from a van.

Dick: gotta love Gotham. like, Bludhaven is my home and all, but there's no beating the creativity and entrepreneurship consistently spat out by money-hungry Gothamites on random week nights.

Jason: *bag crinkling* *satisfied grunt*

Dick: *hum* ok, i have another one.

Jason: shoot.

Dick: if you hadn't been taken in by B, what kind of person do you think you'd be today? like, do you think you'd be more likely to end up a good member of society or do you think you would have gone criminal?

Jason: ooh, ok, that's a good one. i- *considering hum* ...i dunno. on one hand, i like to think i was quite well behaved before i died, so i think if i hadn't been taken in by B then i wouldn't have ended up being resurrected and becoming... this. i probably would have been more traditionally 'good'.

Dick: fair.

Jason: -on the other hand, i met B because i was jacking cars and nicking tires at ten years old. so it's not like i was a fuckin' angel.

Dick: it's interesting you said you wouldn't have been resurrected, not wouldn't have died. do you think the Joker would have still gotten you even if you weren't Robin?

Jason: oh, no, i don't- i don't think the Joker would have killed me, but- but Dick? hey, Dick? *snort* i was never living past sixteen on the streets,

Dick: *wheezes* you don't think you would have made it??

Jason, drawing out: nyooooo,

Dick: *laughing*

Jason: like i said, i was fuckin- i was ten years old, thinkin' i could take on Batman. i had nobody in my corner during that period of time. i firmly believe that if i hadn't been swept up by Bruce then i would have ended up accidentally challenging Two-Face to a fist fight and dying within a year. that's my prediction.

Dick: so you think being Robin saved you?

*pause*

Dick: *cackle*

Jason: lets not- *wheeze* lets not go that far,

Dick: -shut up! *amused* come on, you know what i mean. you think without Robin you wouldn't have reached twenty?

Jason: yeah, that's probably more accurate. what about you? if you hadn't become the first boy wonder, where do you think you would have ended up?

*bag crinkling*

Dick, grave: jail.

Jason: *abrupt choke* *coughing, laughing* w-hat?

Dick, casually: -for either assaulting a police officer, verbal abuse, or second degree murder. attempted or successful, i dunno.

Jason, still struggling to clear his airways: *through laughter* what the fuck?

Dick: *amused* look man, i was an angry kid. you forget i was the fucker that made B think there was a good reason to let children go around beating up criminals; i was bad enough that he figured this was the best option.

Jason: ok- ok fair enough, no, yeah, you were definitely a piece of work when i met you, that's for sure.

Dick: yeah- and that was after the ten or so years of B's version of physical therapy. people always think i was so bubbly and happy when i was Robin, but i think it was actually the adrenaline of fighting people all night--basically got me high.

Jason: oh ok, so you weren't happy, you were just a sociopath in his dream environment?

Dick: no no, B had me tested. just a lot of anger issues and probable unmedicated OCD or ADHD.

Jason, crowing in glee: he had you tested-!

Dick, also laughing: shut up! honestly, that's probably why i didn't like you so much at first, y'know?

Jason: what, because you wanted to kill me?

Dick: no- *bursts out laughing*

Jason: *snickering*

Dick: no- because i thought you were gonna be just like me. B told me he brought in some kid off the streets and i was like, 'fuck great, now there's gonna be another violent little shit in the house'.

Jason: boy did i break the mold,

Dick: yeah turns out you were the complete fucking opposite to me, at first.

Jason: 'at first' *laughing* 'cause i mutated into the violence eventually.

Dick: well yeah, i was right eventually.

Jason: but if you didn't like the idea of me being problematic as a kid, how come you still hated me even when i was so well behaved and quiet?

Dick: *snort* well see- see that was the other issue, in that you being a good kid--which you did to piss me off-

Jason, conceding: -which i did to piss you off,

Dick: -right, but you being a good kid then brought up a different issue for me, because that meant you were blowing up my fucking spot.

Jason, amused: i was what?

Dick: well listen- B had no experience with kids before me, and he sure as hell didn't know what parenting was supposed to be like. i was able to set the fucking curve and tell him that i was normal. you fucking- coming in with all your homework and thank yous and eternal gratitude and fucking Cindy-Lou who personality bullshit,

Jason: *cackling loudly* CINDY-LOU WHO,

Dick: you blew up my spot! you let B know i was part of the fucking problem! you snitched on me for being a problem-child!

Jason, still laughing: *wheeze* oh god, i'm so sorry, i had no idea!

Dick, indignant: YEAH.

Jason: *wheezes again* i get it, fuck i get that. that's what i was like with Tim at first.

Dick: you- right!?! so you know what i mean!

Jason: fuck, yeah man. Bruce's whole thing with me was that i was the Robin that didn't fucking listen to him; i kept ignoring orders and doing my own thing and it got me benched. then i die, come back, and we have the fucking- the military disciplined soldier that Timothy Jackson Drake provided, we have him in my uniform, and i'm watching him through my binoculars like... fuck.

Dick: EXAC- god, he was so good at listening to orders back in the day. it was almost robotic, used to piss me off.

Jason: i was like, 'fuck he's better than me'.

Dick: *wheeze*

Jason, starting to laugh: luckily- luckily it turns out- *slight snort* turns out he sucks too,

Dick: *wheezes even harder*

Jason: dude, when he- when Tim started acting out as Robin, i felt the biggest burst of euphoria known to man.

Dick: *still wheezing*

Jason: like-, i never had to worry about Damian, you know? i raised that kid. i've seen the shit he does. i've watched him try to lie to my face about whether or not he stole and used my katana while holding his bleeding arm. i always had faith that Damian was going to be a little bitch. but Tim?! i turned up to him being like that and i was like... fuck. he's gonna make us all look shit, isn't he?

Dick: i know, it really- it was a good day for the Wayne children when we realised Tim was just as much a dickhead as we all are. a true miracle.

Jason: *humming casually* and then he tried to commit genocide in the league of assassins and we were like shit fuck no wait too much not like that-

Dick: *wheezes*

*distant burglar alarm*

Jason and Dick: *instant groans*

Dick: god-DAMMIT, can't they see we're on BREAK?

Jason: *limbs clicking* *tired grunt* alright, alright, let's get this over with. you good to- can you walk? you had more van-cocktails than me.

Dick: *also grunting* what am i, a pussy? oh- woah-

Jason: woah- hold on, let me- hold my arm. *snickering* god this fight is gonna be so funny.

Dick: i'll walk it off, let's go.

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I wish more Jason Todd reading lists would properly include Jason's Robin run. A post by me all about telling you where to find it.

These three books combined contain:

Batman #404-429

Batman Annual #11-12

Detective Comics #571-#595

Detective Comics Annual #1

The Killing Joke

Batman: Son of the Demon

Batman:The Cult #1-4

While I still personally highly recommend pirating comics, I'll play the game of recommending the collections. Maybe you find it in an area or shop that'll let you read through it for free, maybe your library collects DC Finest books, maybe you are willing to invest in the price for em all

The DC finest are great because they dont leave missing issues between the three. And while the Detective Comics Annual, The Killing Joke, and Son of the Demon dont have Jaybin, they are some nice additions to have access to. Other than missing about 4 issues, these books collect all of Jason's post crisis appearances from the Batman and Detective Comics comics

This is a total of roughly about 60 comic issues. So if youre willing to have all of Red Hood and the Outlaws on a list, I'd say the full* of Jason's actual Robin run and original 80s appearance is a must eh?

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Im vaguely trying to stick to something condensed, so the three above are the "main" ones. But for Jason's non Bat & Tec appearances, you can add on a few more options! Keeping em under a readmore v

calicotopia

people do realize that jason todd was written to be unlikable while tim drake was written to be likable. LIKE THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE WITH BIASES BEHIND THESE CHARACTERS. it’s not just “well tim drake landed better with the fans”. HE WAS MADE TO BE A HIT WITH THE FANS. Jason Todd never stood a chance, can you imagine if he was written to be liked? If he was written by somebody who understood his character background and from the beginning hadn’t been written by someone who wanted his character dead.

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I know I say it all the time forever but god I wish Red Hood Jason was actually CONNECTED to 80s Jason. They treat him like just whatever or oooh future villain so evil. And it's like. Ok. You know he has an actual run right. And was a character that existed. Who didn't exist to die may I add, literally was meant to be the new Robin. There's like over 200 comics with him in them. He has established relationships and lore and character. Oooh he was in the red hood gang and always wanted to murder people and was so angry and impatient and evil and everyone saw a darkness in him girl SHUT UP you don't even fucking know what brand of trading cards he likes. You don't even know what comic he brings it up in. You don't even fucking know he got shot 4 times as Robin by a villain or even which villain because I've been reading all his comics and it's never even fucking once has been brought up again or implied ever when youd think thatd be getting all chewed up as reasons he should put the guns down. All DC knows is joker crowbar and lie

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Tim: Hey Dick I just realized something

Jason: this can't be good

Dick: yeah Tim?

Tim: you're the same age as when Bruce adopted you, right?

Dick: .... what

Jason: *choked laughter in the background*

Bruce: what's going on?

Tim: Dick's the same age you were when you adopted him

Bruce: .....

Damian: I do not see what is so surprising about that you both are quite obviously old, it just means you're experienced

Bruce: *high pitch sound at being called "old"*

Jason: *wheezing, trying to breathe through the laughter*

Tim: I don't think Dick feels the same way, Dames. Look at him

Dick:

papayafromtv

fed up with Bruce tracking them/invading their privacy in the name of safety, i like to think the batkids pull an uno reverse and microchip Bruce while he’s passed out after a bad patrol injury. they start tracking his phone activity and texting him about wherever he is. bringing up things they know he’s searched for one his phone/people he’s been talking to, showing up at wherever he is during the day and interrupting him just to prove they always know where he is; just overall trying to annoy him the best they can.

issue is, Bruce is just so happy to see and talk to his kids at any point that he doesn’t even notice the breach of privacy, and the kids just end up feeling really awkward about how happy their dad is to see them.

Jason will bring up something in conversation with Bruce that was only privately relayed through texts between Bruce and a colleague, smirking because he knows Bruce is gonna be really paranoid about who’s watching his texts, except Bruce just smiles and happily chats with him for thirty minutes and he’s in a good mood all day because Jason willingly had a casual conversation with him, and when the JL ask why Batman’s in such a good mood at a meeting later that day Jason just goes bright red and doesn’t know what to say because he didn’t realise how much Bruce genuinely craves just catching up with him every now and then.

Dick will stalk him for weeks and wait until Bruce has a really tough busy day at work, specifically so he can wait for the evening where Bruce finally has a single moment to himself in a bar somewhere to relax, and then he busts in loudly sitting down next to Bruce and talking non-stop while ordering a drink, thinking that Bruce is going to be mad because this was his one peaceful moment and Dick ruined it by constantly tracking him. but instead the second Bruce realises Dick’s there all his exhaustion disappears. he gets a really wide genuinely pleased look on his face and happily offers to buy Dick a drink because ‘it’s so rare that they get to hang out!’ and Dick is left floundering because he was trying to be an asshole but now he just feels bad that he doesn’t spend time with Bruce outside of patrol business.

Tim keeps watching him through security cameras and updating him through text on his location in an attempt to make him tired of the constant supervision, but every time he texts Bruce like ‘you just walked into starbucks for the second time today.’ Bruce will just openly smile at his phone and respond like ‘would you like me to get you a drink? i can drop it off at your office if you’d like :)’ and Tim has to give up almost immediately.

essentially i like the idea of the batkids trying to annoy Bruce with themselves, forgetting that Bruce is just a dad who really loves his kids and can’t ever be annoyed by them.

papayafromtv

fed up with Bruce tracking them/invading their privacy in the name of safety, i like to think the batkids pull an uno reverse and microchip Bruce while he’s passed out after a bad patrol injury. they start tracking his phone activity and texting him about wherever he is. bringing up things they know he’s searched for one his phone/people he’s been talking to, showing up at wherever he is during the day and interrupting him just to prove they always know where he is; just overall trying to annoy him the best they can.

issue is, Bruce is just so happy to see and talk to his kids at any point that he doesn’t even notice the breach of privacy, and the kids just end up feeling really awkward about how happy their dad is to see them.

Jason will bring up something in conversation with Bruce that was only privately relayed through texts between Bruce and a colleague, smirking because he knows Bruce is gonna be really paranoid about who’s watching his texts, except Bruce just smiles and happily chats with him for thirty minutes and he’s in a good mood all day because Jason willingly had a casual conversation with him, and when the JL ask why Batman’s in such a good mood at a meeting later that day Jason just goes bright red and doesn’t know what to say because he didn’t realise how much Bruce genuinely craves just catching up with him every now and then.

Dick will stalk him for weeks and wait until Bruce has a really tough busy day at work, specifically so he can wait for the evening where Bruce finally has a single moment to himself in a bar somewhere to relax, and then he busts in loudly sitting down next to Bruce and talking non-stop while ordering a drink, thinking that Bruce is going to be mad because this was his one peaceful moment and Dick ruined it by constantly tracking him. but instead the second Bruce realises Dick’s there all his exhaustion disappears. he gets a really wide genuinely pleased look on his face and happily offers to buy Dick a drink because ‘it’s so rare that they get to hang out!’ and Dick is left floundering because he was trying to be an asshole but now he just feels bad that he doesn’t spend time with Bruce outside of patrol business.

Tim keeps watching him through security cameras and updating him through text on his location in an attempt to make him tired of the constant supervision, but every time he texts Bruce like ‘you just walked into starbucks for the second time today.’ Bruce will just openly smile at his phone and respond like ‘would you like me to get you a drink? i can drop it off at your office if you’d like :)’ and Tim has to give up almost immediately.

essentially i like the idea of the batkids trying to annoy Bruce with themselves, forgetting that Bruce is just a dad who really loves his kids and can’t ever be annoyed by them.

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I adore how Dick was told there were kids at the tower, and his first thought was to ask:

Are they being abused or not?

And then, upon concluding the latter, chucks them into bed at the tower with no questions asked.

Good Boy mode just immediately triggered.

Garth is even the one to call him at the tower because the thought of “children —> therefore Dick” was that ingrained.

Good-with-children will never not be a favorite Dick Grayson trait of mine.

dirixxarsn

i neeeeed more of jason being annoying for his own amusement. like wheres the kid who stole the batmobile tires with full confidence then had the audacity to insult batman as if he wasnt caught red handed. proceeded to show batman where he lived, stolen tires stacked along the walls, hands on his hips proud as hell. "yeah, those are my tires. look, dont touch. no, batman, i didnt steal them. jeez" i know he had the most irritating smirk whenever he was successfully rage-baiting and he never grew out of it. he can be that sweet and charming kid while also going through life with enough audacity to stun a large mammal. yeah he helps old people carry their groceries, AND hes also the same kid that thought "yeah, i can get myself to this vague unknown country that i THINK batmans in on my own. no, i wont tell anyone where im going, i need my cool entrance stunt." fast forward ten years and hes all grown up thinking "ik batman SAID hed kick me outta gotham if i killed someone, but what if i just pretend and dont let him know abt it?" also dressing up as a priest to break into a prison was hilarious, no notes. example of jason being capable of good disguises and yet his other disguise option is sunglasses and a mustache paired with a heavy southern accent. laundering penguins money through PENGUINS CASINO was just a power move and he did it for the love of the game. he thinks shits funny. dark and broody jason is cool and all but lets be honest, his coping mechanism is at least 50% humor. "yk whatd be REALLY funny?" - jason to himself when making any plan

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Detective Comics #1106 - "The Courage That Kills" (2026)

written by Tom Taylor art by Mikel Janin

jubsvidaloka

He's just a child who grew up

prodigworl

a (unintended) parallel between jason todd and bruce wayne is that. as a result of victim blaming, jason todd was characterised as angry and reckless— that he needed to be pulled from being robin— and it was his volatile nature which led to his demise. meanwhile, tim’s origin story essentially hinges on batman becoming too angry, too reckless and therefore requiring robin as a means of an intervention before he similarly gets himself killed

if anything, jason todd is bruce wayne’s son.

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Jason and Steph being regarded as “bad” Robins will never make sense to me. Nor will their deaths being attributed to their “recklessness”.

I mean, first all, the victim-blaming is wild. Blaming them for their own deaths is beyond messed up, and definitely influenced by classism and sexism.

But, moving past that meta textual analysis, I sincerely wonder if people who make those claims have ever actually read A Death in the Family or War Games.

Because you can’t read those stories, and come away from it thinking Jason and Steph were anything other than Big Damn Heros, imo.

… Gotta… Get you… Outta here… I’ll… Save you… Mom…

… You’re … Free… Run… For it… Go….

… He threw… Himself… In front… Of me… In front of me… He took… The main brunt… Of the blast

Sheila sold him out, he’s been beaten to within an inch of his life, and yet his first priority is getting her out. Until his dying breath he is trying to protect her. How is that not the very definition of a hero?

He got captured and beaten because he trusted her; that’s not on him, that’s on her. And if he’d decided to abandon her and save himself, which would not have been unreasonable, he could quite possibly have picked the lock and escaped. But he didn’t. Because he’s a hero, he decided saving her was more important than saving himself.

Jason’s death was not inevitable. (Oh sure, the story was written with the specific end in mind that Jason would die, but taking Jason as a character, this idea that he was going end up dead sooner or later is false). His death was a tragedy because he was a good person gone too soon.

He didn’t die because he was careless. The whole point of his death is that it is a tragedy. He was only fifteen; he had his whole life ahead of him. And he was a good kid, just so genuinely good. It’s the tragedy of “the good die young”.

I could do it. I could! Maybe even I should. But that would mean ignoring everything Batman has taught me.

Steph has Black Mask at her mercy. She can kill him if she chooses, and it would not unreasonable if she does. (Keep in mind, he has been torturing her for days). And yet she does not. She has the gun pointed at his head and she doesn’t pull the trigger. Not because she doesn’t have it in her, but because she still holds to her principles.

(I do have a meta in the works on how Batman’s no kill policy might negatively impact his kids, in that even in impossible situations they worry about disappointing him. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that Steph has someone who wronged her at her mercy, and she chooses not to pull the trigger because of the standard she holds herself to.)

She has not had an easy life. Her father’s a vilain; she has no positive adult figures in her life. She has been consistently undermined as Spoiler and as Robin. But even with all of that, she does not become bitter, she keeps going.

Even after all that she has suffered in the past few days, she is still in control of herself. She could shoot him, she wants to shoot him, and she wouldn’t be unjustified in doing so. But she does not, because of her moral system. That is not weakness or an inability; that is strength.

It wasn’t recklessness that started the War Games. Anyone who worked with Bruce in his inner circle would have known that Matches was him, but he never told her even when she was Robin.

Her run as Robin was doomed, not because of her capabilities, but because Bruce was never going to give her a fair chance. He wanted Tim back and he took out his grievances on her, used her.

Despite all that, she always rose. She could not be kept down. The idea that this kid who kept getting up had died, had finally been permanently stopped, it was horrific. She didn’t get herself killed; that’s not what War Games showed. It showed how absolutely tenacious she is. It showed how much of a hero she is.

These kids are drawing literally from the classic hero archtype. I love morally grey characters and all, but there is a wide appeal for the straight up hero. Characters who can’t be broken, who have seen the worst the world has to offer and still choose to be kind.

Jason wanting to save his mother, Steph not pulling the trigger, these were not easy decisions. But the two made them, because that’s what heros do. They hold themselves to their principles even while no one else does, simply because it is right.

Not keeping this in mind removes the tragedy of Jason’s situation and Steph’s. It removes all nuances in their characters after they come back.

Honestly, the character being hurt over and over, being tortured, and then, having the opportunity to enact revenge and not taking it. Going no, I am not going to lower myself to your level. I am a hero, and I stand by that. You cannot break me. That’s the sort of thing people go wild for.

Because characters taking revenge is cathartic. I enjoy those stories. If Steph had pulled the trigger or Jason gets to kill Joker, I will be happy. They do not deserve to be condemned if they make that choice.

But a huge part of the appeal of superheros as a concept is that they stand for hope. They stay kind and loving, help and trust, despite how much cruelty they have suffered.

So the fact that the main takeaway from DitF and War Games is that Jason and Steph got themselves killed, rather than that they are the archtypical Hero, is beyond suspect.

pedanticat

Gosh, seeing all these comparisons between Stephanie and Jason really makes me wish there were more stories with these two teaming up.

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