LemonVerbena

[lemon--verbena]

John Winchester, when I catch you..

[lower-the-volume]

4.22 Lucifer Rising

[mallorytoyourmickey]

Why didn’t Zach offer Dean Gillian or the Professor if dean is canon bisexual? Why did Zack in these moments not evoke Dean’s bisexuality in these moments if he was bisexual in canon.

Any time Zach had to bring Dean to the table he used Dean’s love of fucking women as one of the perk of the job or as some sort of bribe.

[jenmishamiga]

Because the show was never overt about it? Especially not in season four.

[lemon--verbena]

Dean was still deeply repressed about his sexuality. I wouldnt think bringing up his attraction to men would soften him to making a deal with the angels.

[creationfathers]

[destiel0808]

MISHA💙🐱

[lemon--verbena]

He’s sooo cute 🥰 😘😍

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZT6GGclDlw/

[angelsdean]

the absolute trust shown though dean tossing the impala keys over to cas just moments after they'd been at each other's throats because cas had gone behind his back and stolen the colt. all of that is already forgiven as he casually tosses the keys to his childhood home, his safe place, and also symbolically his body and soul. it means so much.

[sweetonsugden]

So no show this con? Damn, I'm gonna miss out! 😭

I guess not 😕

[lemon--verbena]

I haven’t seen his show added to any of the future Creation cons. Maybe his contract ended?

[sweetonsugden]

Cyn and I have noticed that as well. That’s a good point about his contract ending. We also posited that the key people he met with in LA, that Rob mentioned, may be in negotiations with him and the creation people. I do hope he mentions why there aren’t many this year as last year. Maybe someone will ask him at his m&g

[lemon--verbena]

I had been wondering if he had locked down something following that LA show but had forgotten how Rob brought up there being VIPs in the audience as well.

🤞

[sweetonsugden]

So no show this con? Damn, I'm gonna miss out! 😭

I guess not 😕

[lemon--verbena]

I haven’t seen his show added to any of the future Creation cons. Maybe his contract ended?

[sweetonsugden]

Book/interview anon here! Much appreciate your replies and I understand why you decided to not publish! I just wanted to add something to your second reply - sadly, there are plenty of people in the SPN fandom (and especially those that are new to it) that DON'T know about Fangasm's past and and clear bias. They see a university professor with published books and articles, so they see them as legitimate. It happened to me as well, when I first got into SPN, I went looking for info. And sadly, her books were recommended and she was an academic, so by association, they seemed to be more reputable and accurate. I bought her books as e-books then I started following her on Twitter - where after a while I noticed that her con reports were often different to con reports from other attendees who were also livetweeting. Completely omitting or distorting details, putting her own commentary on her tweets and passing it off as ''summary'' of what is being said when that is absolutely not the case. And of course, Misha is often the victim of her omitting or distorting stuff - meanwhile, when reporting on J2 panels, she always finds a way to make them look like ''bros4life'' and supposedly ''highlighting ''cute'' J2 moments - wile again distorting details and mentioning things out of context.

Anyway, what this leads to, is unsuspecting people that just follow the livetweeting or the con hashtag believing her half-truths and distortions, and people new to the fandom following her based on her ''academic SPN fan'' status. She clearly leaned hard on "I'm a fandom academic, I'm writing an academic book" in order to get access to the cast and crew of SPN. After re-reading some passages of her Fangasm book, I realized that a) she is OBSESSED with Jensen and b) she and her friend (the 2nd author of Fangasm, who has since passed away) wrote both wincest and J2 RPF fics. Hell, even Jared fans on Tumblr are complaining that Fangasm is always focusing on Jensen and shortchanging Jared and his projects - and while we know how they want everyone to pay attention to their special boy, it's actually true: Fangasm does overwhelmingly focus on Jensen. Apparently she goes to all US cons and to all Jensen M&G's.

Also, when it comes to matters of production/editing/script writing/narrative/story telling, she is just SLIGHTLY more knowledgeable than the average fan. Why? Because having a PhD in Clinical Psychology does not make you an expert in script writing, filming, editing, cinematography, production choices etc. But people seem to think , ''She has a PhD! She's published books!'' and confuse this with authority and superior knowledge on all topics. Given the fact that BOTH FILM/TV and Fandom Studies exist as very real academic fields, with thousands of publications per year, her co-opting her PhD credentials to appear so authoritative rubs me VERY MUCH the wrong way.

Sorry for the rant, lol. As a former academic, I can't help but be utterly grossed out by how she weaponized her identity as an academic to push her own narrative and bias to unsuspecting people, while implicitly claiming knowledge and objectivity. Sometimes I wonder how SHE would like if someone used her words in an academic article but distorted them or left half the original sentence out. Or if someone would make a nice article compiling all the times she deliberately misinterpreted/omitted/added her own shitty take and share this with all the students of her uni program as a warning: ''so much for academic standards, huh?'' But if that ever happened, she'd default to ''I'm just a fan reporting on fandom events!''- Yes, and you're also a Wincestie AND a J2 RPF stan, so how about making that known as well??

Hey, nonnie!

I decided to publish this follow up message from you because there are so many new fans coming in and latching on to the not-so-great-or-accurate fan accounts out there.

Thanks so much for your input and information. It’s appreciated and rather illuminating.

[winchestress]

so the whole s7 whenever Dean tries to communicate that he's struggling with his emotions and his will to live and continue fighting, he gets this:

and then there's Cas

[dilfish-daydreams]

Yet again, OWWWW 💔💔💔

[strawlessandbraless]

I think Dean would have been more hung up on the realization that cas had never been happy than the angel being in love with him

[beatsheetromanroy]

in god’s throne room, seraphim would cover their faces and feet (aka genitals) with their wings. therefore, when cas flashes his wings in 4x01, he’s flashing his trenchcoat too….if you get my meaning

[beatsheetromanroy]

Dean: Hey. My dick is big.

Castiel: That’s nice. I will demonstrate mine is as well, since I do not tremble before you as God. 🪽🪽🪽🪽🪽🪽

[meatmandean]

“You know what that got him? It got him DEAD. Now you might be able to forget about that, but I CAN’T!” is such a telling moment. At his most vulnerable, at his strongest point of grief and anger, Dean makes it clear that what he had with Cas was different from what Sam had with Cas. And he’s furious that Sam doesn’t understand that.

[destiel0808]

MISHA PANEL😍😍

[g8taloadofdisguy]

[jenmishamiga]

The only “Sastiel” moment I can think of is when Cas took the rest of Gadreel’s grace out of Sam to not risk his life to find Gadreel and said something like “nothing is worth losing you”, but that is legitimately the only moment or dialogue I can think of that is “ship” worthy, maybe the episode where Sam gets brainwashed and he’s wearing that sweatervest and glasses? But they very much give coworker or friends in that ep. The only other instances of them alone that I can think of is where they’re only talking about Dean lmao

Thank you for this non. You are, thus far, the only one to respond. :D

I went to look it up, so I got the wording correct. Because that first scene you mention, while very sweet from Cas' POV, always made me chuckle because my memory of it was basically Cas telling Sam that before he (Cas) became human, he didn't think much of Sam. LOL

And after watching it again just now, I still feel that way and don't see anything romantic in it at all.

Castiel's speech:

"But nothing is worth losing you. You know, being human didn't just change my view of food; it changed my view of you. I mean, I can relate now to how you feel. (Sam asks him, "What are you talking about?") The only person who has screwed things up more consistently than you is me. And now, I know what that guilt feels like. And I know what it means to feel sorry, Sam. I AM sorry. (Sam replies, "I know.") You know, old me, I would have just kept going. I would have jammed that needle in deeper until you died. Because the ends always justified the means. But what I went through, that PB&J, taught me that angels can change, so, who knows, maybe Winchesters can too."

And I actually really like the episode where they go to the town together (and that ends with Cas ratting Sam out to Dean about the cardigan). IMO it was a good representation of how far their relationship had come. And there was nothing romantic about it.

The only other instances of them alone that I can think of is where they’re only talking about Dean

Exactly :)

[lemon--verbena]

I frequently see people quote the “Will you, boy?” moment as a potentially sexy dom!Cas moment over Sam 😉

[jenmishamiga]

🙄

[lemon--verbena]

The writing for Cas is such a mess that season that I have a hard time taking a lot of what happens as literal.

It’s kind of hard to put Sastiel as a thing when Cas just keeps pestering for updates on Sam’s big brother. Really kills the mood 😂😂

[jenmishamiga]

The only “Sastiel” moment I can think of is when Cas took the rest of Gadreel’s grace out of Sam to not risk his life to find Gadreel and said something like “nothing is worth losing you”, but that is legitimately the only moment or dialogue I can think of that is “ship” worthy, maybe the episode where Sam gets brainwashed and he’s wearing that sweatervest and glasses? But they very much give coworker or friends in that ep. The only other instances of them alone that I can think of is where they’re only talking about Dean lmao

Thank you for this non. You are, thus far, the only one to respond. :D

I went to look it up, so I got the wording correct. Because that first scene you mention, while very sweet from Cas' POV, always made me chuckle because my memory of it was basically Cas telling Sam that before he (Cas) became human, he didn't think much of Sam. LOL

And after watching it again just now, I still feel that way and don't see anything romantic in it at all.

Castiel's speech:

"But nothing is worth losing you. You know, being human didn't just change my view of food; it changed my view of you. I mean, I can relate now to how you feel. (Sam asks him, "What are you talking about?") The only person who has screwed things up more consistently than you is me. And now, I know what that guilt feels like. And I know what it means to feel sorry, Sam. I AM sorry. (Sam replies, "I know.") You know, old me, I would have just kept going. I would have jammed that needle in deeper until you died. Because the ends always justified the means. But what I went through, that PB&J, taught me that angels can change, so, who knows, maybe Winchesters can too."

And I actually really like the episode where they go to the town together (and that ends with Cas ratting Sam out to Dean about the cardigan). IMO it was a good representation of how far their relationship had come. And there was nothing romantic about it.

The only other instances of them alone that I can think of is where they’re only talking about Dean

Exactly :)

[lemon--verbena]

I frequently see people quote the “Will you, boy?” moment as a potentially sexy dom!Cas moment over Sam 😉