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Fantastic Four v3 #50
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really cannot emphasise enough that "All Men Bad" and "masculinity is inherently violent, dangerous, and evil" are load-bearing pillars of radfeminism and these ideas cannot have a place in any truly progressive queer theorising.
shane thinking that ilya having a lot of casual sex means he's better at feeling casual about THEIR sex (shane, lol. lmao even.) and them being friends in hit or miss verse does offer the EXTREMELY funny scenario of shane trying to recruit ilya as his wingman to pick someone out one night
and ilya as he has been drafted into this is just 🙂 what if i buy a gun 🙂
GOD shane who finally does hook up with someone (couldn't find someone when ilya was around?? maybe they were intimidated because he's so hot?? mystery) and it's like. fine. the guy is. fine. he goes down on shane and shane goes down on him, and it's fine. shane at the end is a little "... that's it?" but it's not traumatic or anything. it's just. fine.
but ilya who has been on alert that shane was interested in fucking other people teasingly (...at least outwardly) asks if shane has had any luck, and shane doesn't want to say "yeah, but it was just okay. it feels so much better with you and i don't know why." because that feels Needy And Not Casual. so instead he pulls a "yeah, i did! it was really fun. he was hot."
and ilya who is hearing kill bill sirens is just 🙂yay🙂
#Re:tags I think this would be even funnier if the more Shane hooked up casually the more he realized that GREAT sex is a matter of chance#Thinking about an interview I read years ago about a guy who was heavily involved in the gay scene in Berlin and said#he has like 500 hookups a year and out of those maybe 10 in 100 are decent and 1 every 200 is truly GOOD good iirc#And so he has some mediocre experiences some uncomfortable experiences some just ok experiences...and then he has one REALLY good experienc#like on par with Ilya good maybe even better. And he's like THANK GOD nothing's wrong with me I'm NOT 🙅🏽♂️❌ 👎🏽in love#with my best friend!!! in the immediate aftermath and then the guy just like. Gently kicks him out As Is Standard Hookup Practice#and Shane on the walk home feels EXACTLY like he felt after all the other hookups. I.e. weirdly disappointed and dissatisfied. And#now has to confront the fact that “he's the best I've ever had” is in fact NOT the reason why he misses Ilya#whenever he's in bed with another man!! He just had maybe the best sex of his life and he's walking home grumpy and feeling vaguely empty#bc the guy didn't laugh like Ilya and he didn't smile like Ilya and he didn't make cringey jokes like Ilya#and Shane didn't know his way around his bathroom like at Ilya's house and the guy didn't know about the ticklish spot behind Shane's ear#like Ilya and oh fuck it's not the sex. It's fucking FEELINGS fuck!!!! He buries this next time Ilya fucks him it's EVEN BETTER bc Ilya#is JEALOUS so now it's BOTH that he knows he has feelings AND that he knows Ilya is a statistically one-in-a-million good lay#even disregarding emotional attachment. FUCK WHAT IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT THIS!!! Rose in the background: Lock him down!! #heated rivalry#Vladi speaks#Like I want the fakeout emotional rollercoaster of hmm I've been having casual sex for quite some time now and NOTHING is as good as with#Ilya do I maybe...have to ask myself if there's a deeper reason it's always better with Ilya -> NEVERMIND BREAKDOWN CANCELLED HE'S JUST A#GENERATIONAL TALENT AT SUCKING DICK haha fuck I'm so relieved!!! No hard conversations in MY future 😎 -> oh.. oh fuck#-> ok so I DO have feelings but it's still kind of nice to know that while Ilya's a cut above the rest I can get same or better quality#dicking down if he doesn't like me back and never wants to sleep with me again if he ever finds out -> oh fuck Oh No oh fuck. Why did he#have to step it up EVEN FURTHER. FUCK that's my backup plan out the window!! What the fuck do I do now!!!
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WAIT FUCK
oh man
part of this being that shane has had enough sex with other people atp that he's more comfortable going "no, wrong. no good for me. do it better." (because also?? frustrating that NO ONE!! is bringing their a game!!! fuck's sake!! everyone get better at sex with him specifically NOW!!) and this guy is good on his own but significantly is also COACHABLE. so shane is able to tell him what he likes and ends up running sex with ilya software on a different person and is just!! FINALLY!! someone getting a good grade in fucking!! at last!!
but then it's over and now?? different?? wait, no. guy even catches his breath leaning against him and even in the immediate aftermath shane is a lil "okay...stop touching me now" because while having sex!! he was doing Ilya Sex!! right speed, right holding shane's leg at the perfect angle to not hurt his hip but let him get deep! perfect! the kissing wasn't as good and he didn't have his mouth on shane's neck like he likes and didn't have nice soft hair to hold onto, but still! felt the same in the moment!
but now this is a body that is Not Ilya touching him, and shane does not like it. it's not AWFUL or anything, but it's not the body he's gotten used to touching for literal years now. and he doesn't know how shane likes being touched either. ilya always touches him slow and firm after when he's coming down, and this guy is touching him too light and also not sticking to a pattern until shane is finally just *holds hand in place* that's enough.
and guy is polite! tries to make smalltalk, but it's stilted in a way it wasn't with ilya even in their first real conversation together. so shane cleans up in the bathroom (and these are not Safe For Him products?? fuck, forgot about that, damn) and also now has to put on jeans and his shirt again because this isn't ilya's house where he can just help himself to ilya's sweats and then raid his fridge because everything here is safe (besides the "NOT FOR SHANES"-labelled nutella in its designated No Hollanders Cabinet because ilya thinks he's funny and eats it only in the weeks they def won't be seeing each other). and it's just not COMFORTABLE. and part of that is that this guy is a stranger and doesn't have years of knowing each other with him.
but also. this guy is a stranger and doesn't have years of knowing each other with him.
and shane doesn't really. want to know him.
and he's willing to linger a bit because ilya always snuggles with him a little and has since the start, but guy is just "ugh, that late already? god, i can't believe i have to be up so early tomorrow." in what's clearly a polite "okay, bye" signal. and like. that's fine. but also like. no snuggles?? even a little bit?? but the fucking felt like Ilya Fucking and now we're not doing the end part of that. what the fuck???
so then he hooks up with ilya again next time, and ilya just Knows. shane doesn't have to coach him at all. he just does it and reads what shane wants and gives it to him no problem and shane just gets to let go and feel good. and then after??? soft smooches. teasing joke about battleship. shared shower with products shane gets to use no problem and then pulling on ilya's clothes and getting to have dinner picked to be safe for him and then settling down on a couch he's been relaxing on for years with his head on ilya's shoulder and it all just feels SO good. it's so COMFORTABLE.
but it also means that shane is SO! FUCKED!
It's truly the excuses falling one after the others like dominos xD. "I'm not in love I just feel like this because everyone else sucks at sex" BZZT INCORRECT! "I feel like this because Ilya does specific things I like in bed that nobody else does to me" BZZT INCORRECT. "Fuck ok I feel like this because it's Ilya. But well if he doesn't feel the same I at least have a chance of finding the best sex of my life with someone else" BZZT INCORRECT. "Ok fuck Ilya is it for me on every level but he doesn't feel the same he strictly likes me as a friend and fuck buddy so I should never ever say anything to him" BZZT INCORRECT!!!
To be honest I really like the idea that what prompts this whole domino chain is actually someone else doing something in bed that Shane really likes that Ilya HASN'T done/thought of (yet)! Because yes of course Ilya has been Shane's most formative sexual partner, and in this 'verse of course ther "I think I like you [implied: as a person/beyond our sexual relationship]" Florida All Stars pivotal moment doesn't really make sense because well they're best friends of COURSE they like each other beyond sex! So Shane knows he likes the sex and he knows he likes Ilya and he knows all the one night stands don't measure up...what's the explanation that makes sense if "I'm in love with him" isn't an option (because it can't be an option)? Ilya is just Better At Sex, of course. Naturally no one else measures up, they're not putting in the work! No need to confront feelings, it's just a fact that Shane would of course miss Ilya during any hookup, he's having a subpar experience and simply comparing notes!
Only then. There's this guy. And he does things Ilya hasn't even THOUGHT of. It's new. It's exciting. It's GOOD. Why does Shane still feel like he's MISSING ILYA IN THIS SITUATION???!!!!!
Ok ok maybe he's just so used to the way he and Ilya have sex that he's automatically thinking about him. Hmmm ok round two this time we ask the hot club pull to do EXACTLY what Ilya does in bed maybe it's just that Shane really really likes the way Ilya grips his thigh for leverage when he pushes into him and he misses that and THAT'S why he can't get him out of his head?? Maybe??
And hot guy does exactly what he's told.
And it's really really good.
And Shane STILL. WANTS. ILYA.
WAIT OH MY GOD
shane "overthinker supreme" hollander having the lightbulb moment of !! of course i was thinking of ilya!! i was making him do ilya's moves!! duh!! i will do it again and let him fuck me in his own style and then i won't think of or want ilya!! perfect solution!!
and left to his own devices, the guy is GOOD in this second round. like he knows his shit and it's GOOD. shane still isn't as fully relaxed or "i am nothing but pleasure rn" puddle as he is with ilya, but this is GOOD! SEX!
anD FUCKING YET
guy does something REALLY good, and shane's first thought is "oh, i should ask ilya to do that"
FUCK
sex is also mental, and i am cracking up imagining shane being SO fucking grumpy that this feels good and is so hot and yet ilya, this MOTHERFUCKER, won't get out!! of his head!! what the FUCK is wrong!!! poor guy is just like "you good?" and shane is >:( yes. >:( you're great at this. >:( i'm so close. >:( don't stop. >:(
so now running his hypothesis with ilya and getting ilya to do this guy's moves because maybe!! he'll now think of this guy!! that is clearly the solution here!!! (also making ilya internally FURIOUS. he'll do it and he's going to try and do it the best anyone has EVER done it. but he is getting blueprints of someone else fucking shane, and he is BIG ANGY about it.) BUT NO. GREAT MOVE FEELS EVEN FUCKING BETTER WHEN ILYA IS DOING IT TO HIM.
FUCK HIS FUCKING EVERYTHING.
and shane is just OUTRAGED fury (and a little bit desperation because he CAN'T be in love with ilya. that's not what they are. everyone knows they're friends. end of sentence.) and thinks fine! fucking fine! just need to get to know this guy and then i will think about him when he's fucking me and no one else. HAS TO BE THE SOLUTION HERE. and it continues!! to be great fucking sex!!! he sees guy regularly now!! even watches a game with him!! he tried sharing hockey with him!! and spent the whole fucking time!! wishing he was watching with ilya instead!!! FUCK
(also obvi sad for other dude but funny to imagine other guy catching some feelings here and shane accidentally creating a one-sided situationship while trying to fix what he thinks is his own one-sided situationship)
and then tuna meltdown happening because ilya is SO jealous atp. because HE thinks that other people are fucking the shane HE fucks! and the idea of someone else getting soft, starry-eyed, trusting shane under them makes him SO fucking furious. (little does he know: he is the only one who has fucked that version of shane. ilya is the only one shane trusts enough to be like that in bed.) (BUT THEY DON'T COMMUNICATE FOR SHIT SO HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT) (AND HE IS READY TO CHEW THROUGH DRYWALL WITH RAGE ABOUT IT.) so they have their cutesy boyfriend rp and it isn't THAT different from what they normally do, but they have their shane on ilya's lap stroking them both off moment, and ilya is soft and happy and content but still has at the back of his mind that he is in A Contest For Shane and so teasingly tosses out a, "better than [name of other guy]?"
and the answer is yes. even just stroking them both off more than slightly dry and almost fully dressed in broad daylight and with tuna breath, and it's STILL better than other guy. it's better than the best with the other guy.
and it CAN'T BE.
he CAN'T feel like this. because ilya doesn't feel the same! he can do all of this and feel casual enough to tease shane about the other people he's fucking! this means nothing to ilya even though it feels like SO MUCH to shane!!!
so for the first time in YEARS, shane ends up spending the night in a hotel in boston.
and the knowledge of it means that neither he nor ilya sleeps at all.
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you might have answered this before, but which of the fantastic four can cook?
Ben and Johnny.
"Some fresh veggies, some fresh pasta, some spices, some sauce, some salad, some vino --!" (Fantastic Four v3 #6)
"I've always cooked. Ever since we were kids." (Fantastic Four: A Death in the Family)
They're the two you see cooking most often. There was an ongoing joke for a bit too about Ben and Dagwood sandwiches. Johnny you'll usually see manning the grill, and Wyatt's said he's a great cook with an innate understanding of fire. There's one universe where becomes a celebrity chef, too.
(Fantastic Four: The Wedding Special)
Whether or not Sue can cook is a little up in the air -- I kind of like A Death in the Family's take on it that she thinks she can, but nobody else in the building agrees.
"You saying I'm not a good cook?" "No! It's just... I'm saying some people are better at some things than others!"
She does make sandwiches though.
It's good enough for Peter.
I don't remember seeing Reed doing much cooking off the top of my head, but I believe he probably can cook -- but that he gets distracted by other projects or decides to experiment with dinner. Probably best to leave it to Johnny and Ben.
Johnny: I'm not a baby 😡
Johnny: also say hi to Sue and Ben for me 🥺
Reed dutifully passing that message along. "He says he's not a baby, and also tells you hello." Ben has ammunition for years.
Isn’t it about time you got behind the wheel, Valentino?
(Fantastic Four Volume 3 #543)
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Teenage flash/johnny au where johnny has to hide his identity to go to the Spiderman Fandom reunion, there Flash and Johnny bond over writing self insert spiderman fanfiction and drawing fanarts.
Johnny probably reads the fanficts to Reed so he can help him correct it
(Ben and Sue are laughing in the background)
The idea of Johnny having Reed proof his teen self-insert fanfictions is SO endearing coupled with '60s Johnny clean cut "I'm NOT a baby! Say hi to the Thing and Sue for me!" deal lol. He would NEVER live it down. I hope Sue got it on tape and plays it for Peter after he and Johnny have been married for five years.
Flash, meanwhile, had to have Liz do it for him, and having your ex-girlfriend have that kind of information is dangerous. Especially when she marries one of your best friends. Watch out Flash.
I really LOVE your johnny, i fear you are the only one that knows what happen in his pretty head
One moment your johnny is has the most depressing thought and the next one he is tlking about why he hasnt been in a vogue cover for so long
How i wish you could be a marvel writer
Thank you! You're very sweet. I love these characters, so I can't say I would pass it up if the opportunity ever arose. But I'm also very happy just playing Barbies with these characters by myself, too, so I'm just happy people like my fic. It's very nice. ❤️
I think with Johnny, like I was saying in the previous post, what I keep in mind is that kind of separation between his own view of himself and actual reality. Like Johnny beats himself up over everything, and then he beats himself up for beating himself up, because he's the Human Torch! He has it good! Fame, fortune, fire! What does he have to feel sorry about himself for! Only someone truly terrible would do that! And like the thing is he does love clothes, and his hair, and superficially shallow things, and then he has to go be sick over his own perception of himself that caring about what he looks like in ten thousand dollar jeans makes him a shallow individual who will never find love and actually that's all his fault. I love it.
And I also love like, him playing into his own image, often to his detriment. Does he honestly care that much about the ten thousand dollar jeans, or has he just been playing that role so long? And as a kid from Long Island who did have this really turbulent childhood riddled with extreme financial issues, of course he's going to have a complicated relationship with money and spending and the security that comes with his brother-in-law's credit cards. So that's always really fun to explore, and in romance fic, it's fun to explore Peter realizing what's going on there, kind of slowly piecing together the ways in which Johnny feels insecure and the things he didn't notice before he fell in love with him. Peter is a character who makes judgments about other people and then has a hard time moving away from them, so it's always fun to make him face reality. It's all fun and games making dumb blond jokes until he falls in love and realizes Johnny hates himself. Good luck with your favorite firefly, Peter!
do you have the panel where johnny says im not a baby
Here you go. It’s from Strange Tales #110.
Spideytorch my beloved
I know the FF are based on the 4 elements, however i have seen that most (out of comic) fans tend to make johnny agressive as FIRE and while yes he is a hothead and reckless, johnny is the most sensible and least to harm someone with his power
Yeah, I won't lie and say this one isn't a pet peeve of mine, too, although I think it's way more egregious when it's coming from professionals than from fans. (Like with everything.) I'm not going to hold casual fans especially to the same standard as people who get paid to write this stuff. I remember being put off some Fantastic Four novel because it described Sue, of all people, as being frightened by Johnny's "violent temper" and I was like. Where lmfao. Like show me one entire time.
And I get why people do this, I really do -- because like you said, people see that Johnny is FIRE (and he's the most obvious when it comes to the Fantastic Four's elemental powers) and fire is aggressive and dangerous and destructive. And yes, Johnny's powers are aggressive and destructive and dangerous. But Johnny's personality is not. One of the things I've discussed previously is how hard Johnny works to keep his powers under control, and how hard he works to make sure he doesn't hurt anyone.
(I really recommend Burn!, the storyline in the first six issues of the 2003 Human Torch series, if you want to explore this further -- Johnny is brought into a pyrokinetic murder mystery by a former high school classmate he once scarred when he was younger and had less control over his powers. It's good stuff.)
I think there are elements of Johnny's personality that are very flame-like. He can be impulsive and impetuous, and he does have a temper, albeit not a particularly violent one. He tends to burn himself out quickly. He's passionate and warm and loving. If we're looking at things fire represents, there's the hearth fire, and he loves his family and his home. But it is always interesting to me, like you mentioned, that if anything, he's the one who seems uncomfortable around violence.
"Sue, don't." (Fantastic Four #594)
"Thank God you missed!" (Fantastic Four #502)
(Fantastic Four #545)
Obligatory Spideytorch mention: He's put himself between Peter and someone Peter is trying to hit/hurt on numerous occasions, and even just made the effort to calm Peter down when he's angry.
"I think you should show a bit more physical restraint against low-level thugs like these!" (Spider-Man Unlimited #5)
"That can wait." (ASM (2015) #5)
Johnny just isn't a violent person, and making him out to be one because he has fire powers ignores decades of characterization in favor of a flat take. A fiery personality doesn't have to automatically mean a careless one. In 616 there's just no basis for him being careless or irresponsible with his powers, or to portray him as having a violent temper. I think it's more fun to explore other ways Johnny's characterization reflects his powers. I know for me, when I'm writing him, even if I'm thinking about him being impetuous or hot-headed, I tend to lean into the fast burning side of things. Fast to ignite and fast to burn himself out. And once he does burn himself out, all that's left is the ashes.