Joe Russo when Tony Stark said “billionaire, playboy, philanthropist” in the first avengers
so far, I have quotes from the russos on how they think Cap is old fashioned and needed to go, how black widow was damaged and needed to “complete herself” how tony “needs to go.” they clearly don’t care for thor or ant man, thinking them idiots. They don’t seem to respect Falcon or War machine (I wonder why) so who DO they like?
Why were they given control over a movie franchise where they hate all the characters?
Completely agree. Here are the quotes they’re referencing btw
This really freaking annoys me. If you’re in charge of a movie franchise then it is your job to embrace every character, to help them grow and overcome their differences. But no, NO! These asshats kill off every single character that they hate and are acting like complete babies just because they don’t like them. If you don’t like them so much then fuck off! Go and work on something else! Just stop ruining the MCU!!!
They both literally just hated everyone. Here is another quote I haven’t heard a lot of people mention either
Loki: h-
Joe Russo:
this is so funny tho
Oh they hated everyone that explains why the movies are like that
No wonder the mcu feels like a slightly better Michael bay franchise
On the bright side, knowing the directors actively hated half the characters they were working with leaves me feeling 0% hesitant to ignore every single bullshit character move they made! 😜
I don’t know why people do this… for example they did it with Star Trek and jj abrams…
Look, I have my differences with the LOTR movies, but you can see in every frame the sheer overwhelming love for the story that went into those movies. On genuinely every level. Every person involved with the production of those movies loved what they were doing and were working passionately, and it shows.
The disregard that leaks through parts of the MCU, two of the new Star Trek movies, and the new Star Wars trilogy really is baffling to me. So many people love these franchises and would have lovingly poured their heart and soul into them. And filmmakers who just didn’t care were handed these films?? Imagine what we could have gotten if actual fans had been allowed to make these movies.
Oh wait, I don’t have to imagine. People who love these franchises and these characters put their tiny amounts of free time and overwhelming effort into producing fanfiction and fanart for these characters every day. I could go on AO3 right now and in half a dozen clicks get sweeping, beautiful, poetic treatises on the human condition written through these ‘Verses. Vast arrays of adventures starring these characters, and the characters themselves would be lovingly adored by their writers. I could enjoy content made by people who care.
These directors and producers don’t deserve to be handed these franchises and they don’t deserve the paychecks they receive for half-assing their way through them. Not when fans produce outstanding content every day for free, just out of passion alone. This is ridiculous, can Hollywood please start putting people who actually care about the characters in charge of the movies? Please? I promise I’ll go back to buying movie tickets if I think the characters will be treated fairly by their narratives.
Adaptations made by fans of a work aren’t always great. There’s such a thing as being too reverent of the original — after all, not everything translates from one medium to another, and it’s important to recognize that.
Yes, you can see the love in the LOTR movies. But the other thing you can see is their respect for fellow fans of LOTR. They understood why people love the work, and they never rolled their eyes at fans.
If you don’t respect your audience, your work is going to be crap. Plain and simple.
Completely maddening to read. Jesus Christ.
Uuuuugh. Look, filmmakers get critiqued for all kinds of things they shouldn’t be. And at the end of the day, I think fandom often tends to neglect the fact that while particular characters and stories hold incredible meaning for us, that does not have to be the case for those making it. Fans of a thing are not and should not be the only ones with the right to tell stories about that thing.
But think about the cultural weight so many of these characters carry! Think about where the Captain America character came from, and the complex realities of contemporary politics he could still embody. Think about the fact that Tony Stark’s attempts to redefine himself and his legacy struck such a nerve with people that the character literally put the MCU on the map, and saved Marvel from bankruptcy. Think about what Black Widow, imperfect though her representation might have been, meant to SO MANY girls and women as the only woman-identified character on the team for many years.
You don’t have to be a fan to write them, but if you hold these characters (and by extension the millions of people who hold one or all of them dear for one reason or another) in that much contempt? Please just get the fuck out of the way and leave their stories in the hands of people who at least are capable of enough empathy—and are skilled enough writers/directors/producers!— to recognize that their personal feelings of disgust, irritation, and frustration should not be the dominant driving force of major narrative events.
