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On Ideals and Idealization
OR: My-Bated-Breath’s interpretation of Aang and Katara’s relationship in The Southern Raiders
When Bryke said that Kataang was in the DNA of ATLA, it was not a complete lie - Katara and Aang, in many ways, are each other’s anchors. For Katara, Aang is hope revived, the Avatar that has come to restore balance to the world. Meanwhile, for Aang, Katara is his guide in a cruel and unfamiliar 100-year war, loving him unconditionally in a world that hates him for abandoning it. As a result, Aang naturally loves her in return.
The narrative itself suggests that Aang’s love for Katara is nearly divine (and it suggests that it’s a love so blinding that it becomes his most selfish attachment). But for a love that appears so pure and untouchable on the surface, the episode “The Southern Raiders” reveals countless fractures lying underneath the surface.
Aang loves Katara, yes, but he is in love with an idealized version of her. In his mind, he holds close the idea of a gentle Katara, a smiling Katara, a compassionate and all-loving Katara. Even though he has seen her darkest moments when she bloodbends Hama - arms bent in disjointed angles, fingers curled as if manipulating puppet strings - it does not tarnish his image of her because, at this moment, she is not the persecutor, but the persecuted.
After her experience with Hama, Aang is there to comfort her and help her come to terms with the terrifying power she now possesses. With her face streaked with tears and eyes widened with horror, it is clear that this is a power that Katara does not want, that it has been thrust onto her against her own will.
The conclusion that Aang draws from this is that Katara’s inner darkness is a separate entity from her inner light, and he perceives this acquired part of her as a blemish on her inherent goodness. As such, in “the Southern Raiders,” when he witnesses how Katara’s anger and grief drive her to hunt down her mother’s killer, he equates Katara seeking closure to Katara succumbing to darkness, tainting her purity and compassion in the process.
Dialogue from The Southern Raiders
Katara: Ugh, I knew you wouldn’t understand.
Aang: Wait! Stop! I do understand. You’re feeling unbelievable pain and rage. How do think I felt about the sandbenders when they stole Appa? How do you think I felt about the Fire Nation when I found out what happened to my people?
Many have stated valid reasons why Aang cannot possibly understand Katara’s pain in this scenario - he was not there to witness his people’s genocide or the theft of Appa; he has no way of confronting those who were responsible for his loss - but perhaps the reason why Aang thinks that he understands Katara’s pain should be expanded upon as well. As stated before, Aang has seen how bloodbending is a power Hama forced Katara to learn and how “bloodbender” is an identity unwillingly pushed onto her.
Maybe, in the same way that Aang believes that he knows Katara’s pain, he believes that he knows Katara’s inner conflict as well. After all, to take on an unwanted power and identity is something he knows all too well.
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An oldie, but goodie… We made this silly little video for the Avatar panel at the 2008 San Diego Comic Con. It occurred to me that the only versions out there on YouTube were videotaped from the crowd, so I thought I’d post a clean version here (if one can refer to this as “clean”).
Now, I don’t want to cast aspersions or hurt any feelings, but for some of you I feel the need to explain that this is all a joke.
joke |jōk| noun
a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, esp. a story with a funny punchline: she was in a mood to tell jokes. • a trick played on someone for fun.
Who’s going to San Diego Comic Con this year? It is coming up fast. We’re cooking up a really cool panel that, while not a unique format, is different from anything we’ve offered in the past. Looking forward to seeing you there!
“An oldie, but goodie.”
ha. ha ha. ha ha ha. HA.
I am actually so surprised by how many people thought this was “clever”. It is not clever. In the slightest.
While I think the whole video was leaning towards offensive, I was somewhat used to Bryke making fun of Zutara. So I sort of just watched with a poker face until I heard this line:
“Women who think that Katara and Zuko should be together will forever have doomed relationships.”
Not only is the overall message degrading to the Zutara fanbase, but the fact that “Sokka” says “women” specifically, rather than “anyone” or “men and women”… it’s belittling to all females. Statistics prove that most people watching Avatar are males. So why do they choose the female part of the fandom and target us for being the screw-ups? Yeah, whatever, it’s a joke. A sexist one. There’s a fine line (no, really a large gap) between a funny joke and a mean-spirited one, and Bryke, you crossed that gap.
Also, copying and pasting the dictionary definition of “joke” comes off as pretentious. We all understand that this was made for fun, there needn’t be any justification for it. Either way, it’s all the same as when someone says “I hate your outfit, no offense”. The “no offense” does not get rid of the problem. It just creates an annoyance factor, that someone knew what they said would come off as offensive, but to avoid any conflict, said it wasn’t. That theory is wrong. It’s still offensive and insulting.
in·sult /inˈsəlt/ verb
1. to treat or speak to insolently or with contemptuous rudeness; affront.
2. to affect as an affront; offend or demean.
This video wouldn’t get by with at least half of the fandom had it been fan-made. But since it’s created by Bryke, everything is automatically okay? No, it’s not, and I refuse to put Bryke on a godlike level for something so blatantly immature and distasteful.
Reblogging because yes. This video is insulting and stupid and hurtful and shame on Bryke. I’ve never seen any other creator/writer/actor/etc have such a blatant disregard for their fans and how they feel. To this day I don’t see how this video is a “joke”. I don’t see how openly mocking your fans and judging their taste is a “joke” in the slightest.
I concur. Mean? Yes. Childish? Of course. What I really don’t understand is… how does making fun of a significant portion of your fans benefit you, from both a creative and a business standpoint? The people who ship are more than likely your biggest fans. The people most likely to buy/consume your product! You are really shooting yourself in the foot with this kind of “teasing”.
Reblogging for truth commentary
This came up on my dash, so…
There’s a saying: Satire goes up. That thing…didn’t. If you made fun of a sizeable chunk of your fanbase and it backfired, you are not innocent victims of a misunderstood joke. You effed up, and there were consequences.
Oh look—more confirmation that Aang never let go of his attachment to Katara. From the commentary for The Legend of Korra episode In Harm’s Way.
This explains why Tim Hedrick and Joshua Hamilton said on the podcast that, while writing The Ember Island Players, it still had not been decided whether Aang and Katara would get together in the series finale.
Tim Hedrick: I mean, I don't think it was really settled that Aang and Katara were going to get together at the end of the season. That's where it seemed like it was going, but it was not, you know… a foregone conclusion. Joshua Hamilton: Right, yeah. We had this conversation. Tim Hedrick: Aang could have just… He could have, you know, embraced his monk lifestyle and just wandered off to get into more adventures.
Aang needed to master the Avatar State to save the world, but he could not do so because he wanted to preserve his attachment to Katara. It is clear that “embraced his monk lifestyle” refers to the alternative of Aang remaining single by choosing the world over his attachment. I suppose he could have gained “airbending secrets,” but I’m not sure whether that was something they had seriously considered at the time or merely a passing idea.
Aang achieving Avatar State mastery with a rock to the back was a last-minute asspull the creators came up with after realizing it no longer made any narrative sense for the two to become a couple. To fix their nonsense, they just resorted to even more nonsense. They will never be able to provide a satisfactory explanation for how it worked, because there is none. It is easily the worst piece of writing in the entire series.
Aang never wanted to be the Avatar and had to learn to embrace his destiny by putting the world above all else, yet in the end, he doesn't have to do any of that.
Interesting how Jack De Sena (Sokka’s VA) brings up how he thought Toph would be Aang’s longterm LI when she was first introduced to the cast, and not Katara.
For those who don’t know, Jack De Sena, Jessie Flower (Toph’s VA), Dante Basco (Zuko’s) and a few other people from the ATLA staff did a watch-through of “The Blind Bandit,” extensively talking about Taang (this specific part can be found at https://twitter[dot]com/sifuzutara/status/1304601736653336581?s=21).
In it, Jack talks about his expectations for romantic Taang during season two’s production, Brigitte chiming in she thought the same, indicating a certain ship wasn’t necessarily set in stone as some creators would like to assert it was, or at least common knowledge among the staff… which is strange, when you think about it, seeing how this ship was the “DNA of the show.” Take from that what you will, but I don’t think it was, lol.
“If we had another season then there would be more stuff about Iroh’s past” - Ehasz wanted to write a two-part flashback episode about Iroh’s transformation into the person he is today. It would feature the siege of Ba Sing Se, Lu Ten’s death, and his travels around both the mortal and spirit world.
“Toph fixing her own issues” - Toph learns to heal from the emotional abuse she endured from her parents and repairs their relationship. She needed some character development when it came to mellowing out her harsh personality. Katara’s motherly influence helped her but Toph needed to deal with the direct cause. Ehasz loves Toph (he basically created her) and was upset that she remained so static throughout the series.
“I wanted to develop this subtle romance between two of the main characters but I don’t think Mike and Bryan would have been too happy about that.” - It’s pretty obvious what couple he is talking about with this line. Ehasz always wanted to make Zuko/Katara canon or at least develop it much more than what was shown in the actual series, but Bryke would fight with him about it. This was why the chance of Katara ending up with either Zuko or Aang was 50-50 even mid-way through the third season. Yes, this means the “Zuko was originally going to be the love interest for Katara” and “The writers and creators toyed with the idea of Zuko and Katara falling in love” Avatar Extras are completely true. The cancellation of the fourth season and Shyamalan’s complaints about how indecisive Bryke were about who Katara was going to end up with led the Nick execs to step in and push for Katara/Aang because that was what they concluded as being most suitable for young children. The resulting draft for the finale ended up with Katara/Aang and lot of people in the writing room were surprised since they believed Zuko/Katara was the better choice. Bryke wanted Katara and Aang to passionately kiss to symbolize a marriage and make them look “definite”. This is in contrast with Ehasz who just wanted a sweet scene near the end where Zuko and Katara talked about how much the world had changed to foreshadow a future between them.
I totally buy all of this: I actually met Ehasz two years ago. Let me preface this by saying I have the upmost respect for him, and he’s an awesome person.
I had the chonies to ask him what he thought about LoK and the ATLA comics. He was very kind in his criticisms, and pretty much said the same exact things you have mentioned above about ATLA. Its funny too how his honesty keeps dispelling all of the claims Bryke have made about various things.
Zutura is definitely a ship that invokes a lot of passion on both sides, but I honestly think if Ehasz were in charge of developing it further, it would have been executed quite nicely and really brought forth some interesting topics and themes during the hypothetical fourth season.
It really, really makes me wish Ehasz was involved in writing the comics. Can you imagine how improved they would be?
Hey, thanks for your input! I am a former Nicktern and I knew of this stuff for years. People tended to brush me off whenever I told them info about it because according to them “Bryke’s word is law”. The bitter Kataangers love to pounce on me for being ~delusional~ because Bryke is on their side. But they don’t seem to realize how dishonest they are and that Legend of Korra carries a huge collection of Bryke’s lies. Everything I say is just what I witnessed while working at Nick or a repeat of everything Ehasz has already said. Heck, Ehasz has told numerous people the same thing and even hosted a lecture at UCB about the Avatar stuff he didn’t get a chance to write about. I never liked Kataang but I didn’t ship Zutara until I heard about all the unexplored potential. Regardless of whatever ship would become canon, I definitely think the comics would have worked better if he was writing them. May I ask what Ehasz told you by the way? I never got to ask him exactly what he thought about LoK.
Oh dang, former intern? That must have been a pretty cool experience. My other fandom is LoZ and I’m dead serious when I say I’d give an arm and a leg to be involved in making a LoZ game. I love ATLA though just as much.
Something I noticed about this fandom is that when people disagree with you, they tend to pounce on you and shriek that their ship/character is better and that you are wrong. Problem is, instead of having a healthy debate that could be constructive, it involves name calling and no evidence. I’m a firm believer that you should ship what you want and like the characters you want to like, and not be ridiculed for it. Disagree, but don’t put others down.
Ehasz and I mostly talked (and when I say talked, like 5 minutes max) about the comics and ATLA, but he did talk a little about LoK. The thing he stressed was about his vision being ‘different than Bryke’s,’ and stated what he would have done differently. His approach to criticism is clearly different than Bryke’s, and it actually mirrors the way they write. Bryke is more in your face and telling, whereas Ehasz is more subtle and showing. Bryke gets defensive over criticism and makes excuses, Ehasz accepts criticism and says what he could have done differently; its a fixed versus a growth mindset.
But anyways, here’s a summary of what he told me. Sadly, I met him before the Book 4 premiere, so I couldn’t tell you his thoughts on Korrasami. I would imagine though, given the way he handles relationships, it wouldn’t have been favorable. This is what I recall about Lok:
Thought overall they did a good job, but didn’t agree with all of their choices. Would have preferred a post-ATLA series featuring the Gaang, and if allowed to do both, do the post-ATLA before LoK. This way, it would bridge the gap better and fill in loose gaps (see below).
Was a little surprised by the way Aang’s adulthood was portrayed, and would have changed his characterization a bit. Was also surprised by the lack of Sokka and would have increased his role. Would give readers some information on side characters such as Mai, Suki, etc., and what happened to them. But that’s also due to his ideas for the comics.
Liked Korra’s character, but would have handled the romantic relationships differently. Specifically referenced the love triangle and wouldn’t do that. Wasn’t sure he would permanently keep the Spirit Portals opened. Also liked the equalist movement and would do more with that. Red Lotus was cool but surprised by air bending abilities due to HC. Was interested at the time to see more of Kuvira.
Mentioned that ship Bryke doesn’t care for, and would have explored this relationship in both post-ATLA and LoK, and potential consequences such as political stuff. We had a good laugh about that one. Giving more info and exploration about post-war Fire Nation was what he hoped Book 4 would do.
Asked about his thoughts on Toph’s portrayal (I don’t hold back, heh) and said his vision was different. Didn’t outright say he hated or disliked it, but definitely that his vision was different and wanted to touch on her overcoming her issues with parents before LoK and having positive but realistic relationship with own kids. Would have handled Suyin and Lin differently (felt it was the wrong direction).
Similar to his ATLA commentary on Iroh, would have explored more of Iroh’s influence on Zuko and Spirit World. More Gaang interaction during LoK events would have been nice. Katara in regards to healing and bloodbending would be altered- agreed she would be against bloodbending but liked to see her fight still.
Based on the number of times he said ‘my vision was different,’ I am completely convinced that’s Ehasz’s way of shading the hell out of Bryke. Either way, he’s an awesome mind to pick. He knows his stuff and the work he and his wife do speaks for itself.
I don’t really know about Ehasz’s opinions on Korra because I haven’t spoken to him in ages (approximately 4 years now) and the show had just finished it’s first season at the time. Haha, it’s not hard getting an internship at Nickelodeon. They’re not strict and they accepted me on my first attempt. You just have to be a university student with a lot of motivation.
Before ATLA had ended and the possibility of a Book 4 was still up in the air, he said he wanted to explore the political side of their world (and airbenders would have been hiding in the Fire Nation instead of being the result of Harmonic Convergence!). After ATLA ended, Ehasz said Bryke wanted him to make a spin-off focusing on Katara/Aang’s children which would have bridged the gap between ATLA and LoK (instead of releasing comics). The first option would have been the best and the second might have still been better than what we eventually got.
Glad you mentioned the showing vs. telling thing with Ehasz vs. Bryke because this impacted on how they wrote the Kataang relationship. Sometimes it was a cutesy ship tease thing by Ehasz and sometimes it was a forced mess on near-Makorra levels of bad by Bryke (which the other writers had to tone down). Ehasz is probably mad at the current direction of the Avatar franchise but he has to keep it to himself because he’s not the creator and he’s still a good friend of Bryke’s.
Thanks for the info! It links up to a lot of stuff I have discussed before. I’m all ears if you ever want to go into detail about the what-could-have-been you discussed with Ehasz.
I’m honestly not a fan of K/ataang, but if Ehasz had been the one to develop it I have no doubt that even I would start shipping it. A lot of Bryke’s writing is really messy and rushed, and full of unnecessary plot twists that absolutely make no sense at all. I’ve mentioned this before too, but f you look at the list of ATLA episodes, you’d see that the best ones that really just strike you are the ones written by either Ehasz or his wife. Not sure if I could rely on the information re: Bryke’s reaction to criticism and subtlety, cus we’d never really know unless someone posts links to videos or interviews of them actually being defensive; but if this really is the case, I feel it’d really do them well if they take note that in the principles of writing, a “show not tell” style is always a boost. As in Kataang, anyone can take a couple and make them kiss in front of you with an orchestra to back it up. But it’s how those two characters were developed and how their adversities (and how they overcome it, if ever) that count.
Maybe it could work, but it still wouldn’t erase the fact that Kataang was a half-assed mess throughout all of the original series.
You’ve seriously never seen Bryke being defensive? Let me shed some light on this…
Bryan Konietzko on the Nerdist Writers Panel Podcast
“It’s funny there are people who are so attached to the original series and it’s funny because when they confront us and they write us critical things like they’ll write us a little fan letter like… Mike and I remember during Avatar how people would be like ‘I don’t like this, and kind of whining about every little thing in the show, and really mad about how a season finale would end, and ‘I can’t believe you’d put the characters through that,’ and now that years have been removed from that, the feedback we get now about Avatar is like, ‘It’s perfect, there is nothing wrong with it, and every moment of it is perfect,’ and I don’t think every moment is perfect, I have tons of problems throughout the series, but I love it and I’m proud of it. And then with Korra they’re nitpicking every little thing and there’s a lot of comparing of Korra to, not just the shows, but comparing the character of Korra to Aang like ‘Aang was such a sweet, gentle soul, and Korra is just, she’s awful!’ …I always think back at New York Comic Con, it was at a point early in Book 2 where Korra was kind of going off the rails, and I remember Mike and the writers really wanted this civil war, she’s gonna take it very personally and it’s gonna cloud her judgement, and she’s not making good decisions. And people really didn’t like it, and I remember being interviewed in New York and they were like, ‘People hate Korra… so why did you do it?’ And I was like wow, and like, Aang was like going on a rampage in the middle of the desert beating people up because someone took his bison.”
Bryan Konietzko from the Wall Street Journal
“It seems to me that people are uninterested in that. They get completely angry when we have fun with the teen romance stuff. I don’t know. I’m going to leave that alone. This is my new theory. Fans are more interested in imagining relationships between a myriad of pairings. But they’re profoundly disinterested in seeing any of those things manifest themselves on the show. So who knows, whatever. Mike and I as writers, we wrote it the way we found it to be entertaining, and that struck a chord with some, but maybe not with some others.”
Bryan Konietzko creates a webcomic which presents all critics of his writing as “crazy fangirls” overreacting
And this is only just the tip of the iceberg.
How bitter he literally made a comic? Sad.
The fact that the ATLA writers were originally making the Southern Raiders episode “too shippy” for Bryke and Bryke had to constantly tell them to make it more and more toxic to prevent any sort of shipping moments makes me almost as happy as the fact that Bryke’s attempts still backfired
Wow. Is this true?
Yep. Look up the Ehasz couple. Everyone thinks Bryke wrote ATLA but these people literally came up with all of the great ideas (i.e.: Feminist Katara moments, Zuko’s redemption, etc) in spite of Bryke and wrote more Episodes than Bryke. They and other writers who wrote Zuko and Katara scenes were told by Bryke “make it look really bad and make our ship look better” a lot
Oh wow. That’s…
And all the kataangers thought us crazy.
I always knew there was no romance on Katara’s end.
Nope. Ehasz originally planned for four seasons but the rights were given away by the third season to do a movie because ~money~ Check out these blogs, these people worked on the show and / or are in contact with people like Gene Yang (who doesn’t know what the hell Bryke are doing or why they’re making him write the way they are, saying they’re making him write OOC and bad plots). @zephyrita @kataraandzuko
You can track “avatar info” for zephyrita’s blog too:
http://zephyrita.tumblr.com/tagged/avatar-info
http://zephyrita.tumblr.com/post/140790775333/kataraandzuko-zuzusexytiems-kataraandzuko
http://zephyrita.tumblr.com/post/141187440283/honxrable-whyd-gene-yang-say-wed-find-out
http://zephyrita.tumblr.com/post/141008302193/deathatintervals-zephyrita-kaf-kaf-kaf-i-dont
http://zephyrita.tumblr.com/post/141074982223/aaron-ehasz-katara-might-have-used-bloodbending
These are just a few links, there are many more. Basically you will find out that the fandom is greatly mistaken for believing that Bryke are the reason for ATLA’s quality, that they’re feminists, that they even came up with the iconic ideas, etc., and see how much of it others were really responsible for and what direction things originally would have gone
It’s been 100 years and I will always rise from the fire like a phoenix for a good Bryke Receipt Drag
Original Script Analysis, Part 1: Kataang Is Better... And Also Worse.
I want to start this off by saying that when it comes to media analysis, I personally don’t tend to give authorial intent a significant amount of weight – at least, not by default. I understand why authorial intent is so often debated among media analysts, and why so many metas and critiques often hinge their arguments on paratextual information that serves to provide potential insight on what the authors were thinking or planning. But I myself tend to follow more of a “Death of the Author” framework. There are some exceptions, such as when I believe the author’s stated intent – or even details such as their background, life experiences, advocacy etc – has bled through their work so heavily that it becomes impossible to ignore its impact on the final product. (E.g., reading Fyodor Dostoyevsky compare murder to state-ordered execution, it is hard not to contextualise the passage with the knowledge that Dostoyevsky himself faced a firing squad and was given a pardon at the very last minute). Even then, I tend to treat paratextual information like – Understanding the context behind x scene or y narrative choice potentially adds a layer of meaning to it, particularly why some scenes may have been framed the way they were, or why the author chose to tell/expand/conclude the story like this instead of like that. I use paratextual information to deepen my understanding of the author’s reasonings behind their choices. I don’t use paratextual information to form my opinion on whether their choices were good.
(I prefer to form my own opinion on that, based on what I think of the text itself.)
That being said, like most of you readers I too had heard the many rumours surrounding the writing/production process behind ATLA, especially when it came to the ships. Which ship, if any, was planned for, when were the romance arcs finally decided, were there conflicts/disagreements between writers, were there script changes and animation edits to strengthen one pairing while weakening other, and so on and so on. I’d heard the rumour that The Southern Raiders went through multiple rewrites/changes, because it was originally “too shippy”. I’d heard the rumours that Aaron and Elizabeth were pro-Zutara, Bryan and Mike were pro-Kataang, and that their respective positions/opinions on these two pairings seep through their writing in an acutely perceptible way.
I’d also heard the counter-argument, the official narrative endorsed by the creators that any chemistry or subtext between Zuko and Katara was always intended to be platonic, and that readers who saw anything romantic between these two characters were simply setting themselves up for disappointment by projecting their own expectations or preferences onto the show, nothing more.
Over the past 15 years or so, these debates shaped much of the ATLA “shipping discourse”, sometimes even dominating discussion on the subject. I myself have gotten many a variant of “Zutara was never going to happen, get over it” – even when I’ve made a deliberate effort to omit any mention of authorial intent in my analyses, because, as I’ve said, I still don’t consider that kind of paratextual information relevant to my own opinions on why I think Zutara just works better. But given the intensity of the arguments surrounding behind-the-scenes shenanigans, their impact on the final product, and even their supposed significance in determining shipping validity, it was impossible not to wonder at the truth behind all these conflicting rumours.
So when I set foot in the WGF, it was admittedly difficult to contain my bubbling excitement and anticipation. Even still, I resolved to keep my expectations low. Rumours are rumours, after all. Secondary sources must always be taken with a healthy grain of salt, and some of the rumours weren’t even second-hand information at that. And I already knew that no matter what I found, my own opinion that Zutara is the best love story almost written, would not change.
All that said and done, let’s just say that I found the discovery… highly rewarding, and for those of you who have spent years refusing to accept that you were just “reading into things”, I hope my findings bring you some long-awaited vindication.
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Ok is it just me or does the direction "sincere" make this line 10x funnier than it already is 🤣🤣🤣
Schrödinger’s Redemption Arc:
It was either perfect storytelling or an insensitive colonizer guilt narrative…depending on who you ship him with.