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@metallicarules5
Wait.. So both Amity and Katara, voiced by Mai Witman, try to convince the sad, antagonist teenage boy to become good??
Now we only need a section of the fandom to start shipping them together, even though everything prior has linked her to another romantic pairing and this one would make no sense whatsoever, and the parallels will be complete.
What I find funny about the cast for Netflix’s live-action “Avatar the Last Airbender” is that it puts both the Kataang and Zutara shippers in a tough spot. So, do you want to ship the 14-year-old girl with the 11-year-old or the 20-year-old? Either answer, people are going to object for good reason.
You can just be like me and not get involved with shipping, I like that option.
the thing that baffles me most about this whole comic thing is like….. it’s not even like it’s just a poor character choice, it straight-up feels like it’s not even the same character or story.
there is not even a TINY aspect of Clementine’s personality that indicates she’d turn and run from the people who love her, regardless of your game choices.
aside from being a safe place to live, the Ericson group is literally the most rock-solid out of any of the survivor groups Clementine has been in, because they all care about each other above power or their own-self interests. with them, she finally found loved ones and a family that won’t fall apart, and there’s no reason she’d ever abandon that???
but above all else, there is not a plot point in this WORLD that would ever justify her leaving AJ behind. she risked everything to raise him, because she loved him so fucking much. she fought tooth and nail for him all throughout season 3, and time and time again she has proven that she’d do anything for that kid, AJ is literally her top priority, her whole life.
like…. in a weird way I almost feel like I’m not as upset as I should be about them butchering Clementine’s character, because I keep feeling like that just… isn’t Clementine.
Can you provide an actual kataang stan blog that has been mean to zutara shippers? Screenshots? Non-anonymous messages?
Look no further than avatarfandompolice and metallicarules5. Both of these assholes reblog (properly tagged) posts and bitch at the OPs. I’m sure there are more, but these are the ones I’ve had the misfortune of encountering personally.
If these people are this disgusting without anon, imagine how bad they and their cronies are behind the gray face.
Examples below the cut.
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Aww, thanks for the shoutout. And I love how you blatantly misrepresent what I said and the context in your first example. That came about because anti-kataang stuff (which I don’t ship, so you’re wrong in calling me a Kataang stan account, but whatever) kept popping up in the Kataang tag. Someone responded saying why don’t I just block the anti-kataang tag, and I explained why clearly…blocking or filtering out is a form of censorship and is a tool of the intellectually weak. I don’t go searching for stuff, I don’t go into the Zutara tag or the anti-kataang tag as there are decent people that I don’t want to instigate nor do they deserve it. In fact, in your “research” to screenshot those posts, you blatantly excluded and passed over posts where I said those things.
Anything I’ve responded to, reblogged, or critiqued has either been misappropriately tagged, or was in another tag like “atla” or “avatar,” something more general like that. Person doesn’t want their bad takes or ideas critiqued, shouldn’t be posted on a public forum. But I don’t go actively searching for shit, so you’re just plain lying. Oh, and while I’m at it, here’s me saying I don’t ship Kataang:
My stance has always been clear, if you’re respectful of others despite us having differing views, then that’s fine. And you can go back and see exactly that. Anyone I have responded to has not followed this tenet, but has either attacked someone personally or a group of people, lied or misrepresented the characters, gone after the creators unjustly, or has just spread plain false information. There’s only so many times you can hear the “Bryke are peeophiles, Aang is a self insert,” argument before you just realize that those people are morons.
Last point, I don’t go after Zutara shippers, I go after Zutarians. There is a difference, Zutara shippers are classy and respect others for differing views, and I’ve had many a pleasant conversations with them here and on other sites. Zutarians fall under one of the classifications mentioned above, those are the toxic ones I can’t stand.
It's funny how some people in this fandom assume that Aang forced his culture on Katara when actually Aang was the one who had to abandon parts of his own culture for example marriage and parenting aren't part of Air nomad's culture but yet he did choose to marry Katara and form their own family together.
Aang shaping his own destiny like a real God. No one forced their culture on each other, it was a choice made by love. Aang choosing to marry Katara, to love her and be the father of their children is a perfect example how strong love can be. They both practice their respective culture forming one of the most impressive interracial and healthy couple in the animation history.
There’s a reason why I often don’t come onto the Avatar related tags anymore, I can’t stand some of these “hot takes.” Your ship didn’t happen because Bryke inserted themselves or to tease you, you just read too much into something that didn’t exist. A character isn’t controlling or obsessive, you just create straw man arguments out of the tiniest infraction or fault and exaggerate to make yourselves feel better. A ship is not unhealthy or abusive or toxic, you just don’t like it. Sack up, move on, and for the love of God, go outside and do something else, instead of bitching and moaning, trying to flex how much “smarter” than others you are by typing nonsensical rants online to random strangers. Get some sun dudes, seriously.
“Kataang is bad, Katara lost her agency, Aang forced her to be an air bender baby-making machine and controls her.”
Where? Where in the entirety of Avatar the series, the comics, and TLOK was this EVER shown? I’ll tell you where...NOWHERE! The only place this happens is inside your own mind because you made it up. Your hate boner for a ship becoming canon is so large I can land a plane on it. Only people that seem to take away Katara’s agency is you, because apparently, you know better than her I guess. Seems pretty controlling right there if you ask me.
Listen, you disagree with the romance subplot of Avatar, fine. In some respects, I could actually agree since there are strengths and weaknesses to it and areas where it could and should have been better. Don’t make stuff up though, you lose that respect and assumption of positive intent when you do that.
A second anti-Kataang vent, but a little more coherent and organised this time.
Have you ever stopped to think about how toxic Kataang actually is?
1. It’s forced from the first episode.
Here’s a kid who wakes up after being in a coma for a hundred years, sees the first girl ever, and goes “I'mma make her mine for the rest of her life.” Seriously?
2. It’s not 100% consensual.
Aang repeatedly forces himself on Katara, physically and emotionally. She’s never asked about her feelings or what she wants; it’s all about his feelings and what he wants, to the point where he actively disrespects her when she heavily implies she doesn’t want a relationship.
3. The obsessive attachment is unreal.
Throughout the entire show, Aang is overly fixated on her, to the point of being possessive (as in “Jet” and “Crosssroads of Destiny”) and putting the world at risk because of his attachment to her. He was willing to sacrifice his destiny, and the world’s health, because he refused to let go of his unhealthy obsession with her.
4. Katara alone inherits the love and grief of his people.
“The Guru” flat-out said that this poor girl was the object of Aang’s trauma, the manifestation of his lost culture. That’s an incredible burden, unfair for a young girl who has enough troubles of her own.
5. After the war, she loses her independence.
She seems to become just an extension of Aang. Everything she is and does now is dependent on him. She’s his sidekick, his source of support, his second banana. She isn’t herself anymore.
6. Katara gets demoted.
Relationships are supposed to allow each party to grow through the other. Aang sure grows through Katara, but as for her part? She ultimately goes from a passionate, restless warrior to a homebody, from an amazingly powerful, independent young woman to the mother of Aang’s children. The Gaang all have achievements to speak of…except her. She’s just the Avatar’s wife. No more “Master Katara” or “Sifu Katara.” She’s “Mrs. Avatar.”
7. The kiss is all that mattered.
The show about children rising above adversity, coming into their own, finding and redeeming themselves, & ending a century-long war that a world of adults couldn’t end…
…culminates in a kiss.
This amazing story of strength and valour ends with "the hero gets the girl,” as if that’s all that really mattered. Who cares about all the lives they’ve saved? The new course they’ve charted for the world? The winner gets his trophy. That’s the moral of the story.
8. Their relationship wasn’t founded on healthy means.
Bryke seriously looked at two traumatised children and thought it would be a good idea to couple them for the rest of their lives.
9. It isn’t love.
They can’t naturally have a romantic love in their circumstances. Their love is emotional. After everything they’ve been through, independently and together, they’ve become attached to each other. They (or at least Aang) have mistaken their severe emotional dependence upon each other for romantic love. Do they honestly desire each other? Or are they just terrified of losing each other, like they’ve lost so many others in their lives?
10. It’s way too fast.
So you still want Kataang to happen. Okay, at least give it a couple years. They need a lot of time to heal and get their heads together. They need time to grow independently. They need space–physically, mentally, and emotionally. They’re still children. They’ve been through more hell than most adults. Forcing them into a relationship that they weren’t in the right space to have is unconscionable.
There’s so much to unpack their, but ultimately, it just boils down to the same old, tired, irrational, and just plain awful takes I’ve heard across years. You don’t need to be a Kataang shipper, like myself, to know just how bad this take is. No evidence, just you didn’t get the ending you wanted.
Why am I only finding out now that Ezran's voice actor is female? I mean, I have a hard time with voices anyway but like wow, how awesome.
This actually happens a lot in animation. Women will provide the voices of young male characters as they can provide a higher pitched voice, and because if a young male actor was cast, once the actor goes through puberty and their voice becomes deeper, they’d have to age the character along with the actor. Nancy Cartwright as Bart Simpson and Tara Strong as Ben Tennyson and Timmy Turner are some of the biggest examples I can think of, but there are a lot.
Katara: But I didn't forgive him, I'll never forgive him.
FB ATLA fandom: But she did forgive him!! Aang was right! She didn't kill him after all!
SHE SAYS IT OUT LOUD THAT AANG WAS WRONG AND SHE WILL N E V E R FORGIVE YON RHA LIKE HOW MUCH MORE EXPLICIT CAN YOU GET
She never said Aang was wrong, no one in the fandom has ever said she forgave him, and Zuko’s next line is him acknowledging that Aang was right.
Or like, maybe this post was about a specific fandom (being facebook) and a specific conversation where they literally said Katara forgave Yon Rha. And just for you, I added some lines directly from netflix for your convenience to show where Katara says she doesn't forgive him despite Aang's ideas so. Don't come on my post calling me an idiot.
I don't believe that Katara not killing him means she forgave him, which was what my OP was about.
Congratulations, you found one person, that immediately vilifies the entire Avatar fandom. You didn’t even just accuse Kataangers of this (of which you are wrong about me, I do not ship Kataang and I am on record of this several times if you bothered to research), but all A:TLA fans, how vile of you. That person is wrong, I agree with you on that, and The Southern Raiders is a deeper and better episode because Katara confronts him, but doesn’t forgive him. But the actions of one individual does not implicate a group. But again, you seem to have “conveniently” forgot about how the episode ends. Zuko’s next line is as follows: “You were right about what Katara needed. Violence wasn't the answer.” I noticed you “forgot” to include that. The episode ends with Zuko acknowledging to Aang that, while she didn’t forgive him, giving into violence and her anger would have hurt Katara more and not accomplished anything, that was the meat of Aang’s whole argument. And he knows this not only because of what happened to the Air Nomads and Appa, but because he’s spent the last year traveling with Katara, knows and understands her much better than Zuko, and is trying to help her in the same way she helped him in The Southern Air Temple, The Desert, and The Serpent’s Pass. And in the end, he trusts her enough to go on this mission as he recognizes that it’s something she has to do.
And you’re still wrong in the end. You’re attacking some dumbass for saying Katara forgave Yon Rha when she clearly didn’t, but attributing words to Katara that she in no way says either. Pot, meet kettle. She NEVER said Aang was wrong, at what point did she ever say that. Honestly, you’re just as bad as the person lying and saying she forgave him, because you’re clearly lying about this. Also, wasn’t just the anti-kataang tag you posted this in. I was searching the atla tag, and it popped up in there. Also, just out of curiosity, I checked the regular Kataang tag, and it’s popping up there as well. That’s an error on this crap website’s tagging system. Here’s a picture for proof:
Hello can I ask you about Kataang?
I guess, but I’m not a Kataang shipper
Katara: But I didn't forgive him, I'll never forgive him.
FB ATLA fandom: But she did forgive him!! Aang was right! She didn't kill him after all!
SHE SAYS IT OUT LOUD THAT AANG WAS WRONG AND SHE WILL N E V E R FORGIVE YON RHA LIKE HOW MUCH MORE EXPLICIT CAN YOU GET
She never said Aang was wrong, no one in the fandom has ever said she forgave him, and Zuko’s next line is him acknowledging that Aang was right.
(2/2) were later verified by the headwriter (the original claims having been made by someone who claimed to intern on the show in ‘07). And bryke STILL denied all of it. And Nickelodeon fervently shipbaited it. So no, zutara is not a crackship. I’m not one for conspiracy and speculation, but considering tht a lot of the staff is telling a different story, I have heavy reason to be suspicious. I just wish they’d put ship-hate aside and be HONEST.
i don’t see the first part of your ask i’m sorry!! but i will respond anyway!!
honestly, if i can get someone telling me zutara was at least considered in the writing room when atla was airing, i would be satisfied. the thing is though.. like you said, we have various people supporting the ship and there’s a lot of moments in canon that also support a future romance, and the fact that bryke are the only two vehemently denying it... well, yeah, that’s pretty weird. them admitting the truth about it won’t change much in terms of canon, so why lie so bad about it? till this day, zutara is more popular than kataang—their golden child—so what is letting up on the truth going to do? it would definitely be karma to all those haters who called girls irrational, delusional horny teenagers for liking zutara, that’s for sure.
You do know Aaron Ehasz has, twice, vehemently denied Zutara being possible. So it’s not just Bryke, the creators and who should be valid enough sources, telling you it wasn’t going to happen just because you wanted it to.
Kαtaangers learn the difference between parental and romantic love-challenge
Zutarians stop spreading false information about the creators and writers-challenge.
All of these insipid Zutara and anti-Kataang posts popping up in the Kataang tag for some reason. Tumblr, I can’t explain to all of them how awful their takes are, so fix this now. The stupidity is just overwhelming.
If Zutarians didn’t peddle falsehoods and lies, the would have nothing to support their ship. Even to this day, they still argue that Ehasz supported Zutara, when the man has twice said he didn’t. And it wasn’t like he was beating around the bush, he called out the fake interviews and conspiracy theories and said he doesn’t ship Zutara. And when you tell them that, they ignore you and continue to argue that he did. I’m so freaking sick of this shit honestly. You can ship Zutara, but do t lie about it, that just creates more toxicity, of which you are already the main culprit in creating.
I think I might like zutara if the fandom didn't bash Aang and Mai and didn't lie about Aaron Ehaz, the lost Southern Raiders script, and what the Bryke said in the interview about korrasami, that they thought k*taang was forced, it's not true the shippers just took their words out of context
Based on what you’ve said here, you aren’t very familiar with the Zutara fandom, or my personal opinions, so I’d suggest looking into it before sending any more anons.
Being critical of certain characters and relationships is not the same as bashing them.
I’ll start with canon k*taang because that’s the most egregious. The way that relationship went was Aang having a crush on Katara which she did not reciprocate until the narrative demanded her to (with no explanation). This reached its peak in Ember Island Players when Aang kissed Katara without her consent because he was angry at her for turning down his advances. Is that behavior I should NOT be critical of? Because the problems with that should be... obvious. Also the fact that a pairing between girl with abandonment issues and boy who can’t stop running away does not sound healthy.
Now, that being said, I think moments like these also did Aang a disservice as a character. He never learned to let go of his possessive attachment like the book 2 finale suggested he needed to do for his own spiritual growth. Another big part of his character is his connection to his culture. A culture which is shown to be non monogamous. So, why then, would it make sense for Aang to be so possessive over a girl? I fault the writing for this, not the concept behind Aang’s character.
Now, onto m*iko. I don’t know what gave the impression that I hate Mai, because I don’t. She’s part of my second favorite ship. I just think she and Zuko are toxic for one another because they don’t understand each other’s needs. The Beach is a perfect example. Zuko gets insecure and lashes out, Mai misinterprets his insecurity as possessiveness, and lashes out back. I wrote a whole meta about this. I don’t hate her. I just think Zuko needs someone who is more openly compassionate and better at communicating with him (like Katara shows herself to be in canon).
Also, in regards to the creators... The main takeaway there is that many people in the production team liked the Zutara relationship and wanted to explore it more, including Ehasz and many voice actors. Hints of that show through in the story. However, we also know Bryke were so fixated on k*taang that they caused some changes. It’s also probably why they left the new Netflix project. So, there was clearly some conflict over this, especially in Book 3 production. Honestly, rewatching the show, this is glaringly obvious. Just compare The Headband to... any other episode. Consider how Katara suddenly decided she was interested in Aang after Ember Island Players.
Anyways... maybe read what I have to say before making assumptions about me next time.
I’ve already told you Ehasz didn’t support Zutara, yet you’re continuing this lie, why are you being so blatant in your deception? Actual quote from Ehasz is as follows:
AE: You know, sadly I have seen some rumors and even some fake interviews that claimed to speak with me. Regarding “Zutara” theories, I have to say that I don’t tend to “ship” characters, because that could lead to biases and contrivances in the writing.
An AMA on Reddit also echoed a similar statement, while also dispelling a supposedly planned fourth season and the idea that there were disagreements between them and Bryke and infighting in regards to how things should end. He even said “and based on the love people have for the series I would be hard-pressed to say it was a mistake!” in regards to continuing the show past the three planned seasons. Your “facts” in regards to the development in the show are wrong, and doing a bit of actual digging would reveal as such, so I ask that, if you’re going to ship Zutara, you don’t lie about stuff like this.
