(at a pornographic art exhibit smoking a cigarette and limping around and stopping in front of a painting muttering to myself) no no youve gone and maid the maid's outfit too <visible> within your pursuit of sexualization, you are completely missing the sense of unpersoning a servant, that is what makes the semiotic of the uniform alluring! the invisibilizing of the object, youre a goddamn hack, you can make the dress longer and still pull it up
ao3 is crazy because you'll read the most gut-wrenching 200k word slowburn that leaves you sobbing into your sweater at four in the morning and the author will be applejacksmonstercock
First, thank you for your great art! I really enjoy your style. I started the mobile game through GBVSR and played What Makes the Sky Blue because I was interested in Sandalphon. The story really moved me but I have so many questions and I was hoping you could answer them >.<
Did Lucifer imprison Sandalphon in Pandemonium? If he did, was he planning to keep Sandalphon there forever? :’( If he wasn’t the one to put him there, did he know Sandalphon was there and he was okay with it? Or he did not know but he didn’t wonder what happened to Sandalphon for several thousand years?
I have seen some people mention about how Sandalphon was tortured in the Astral Laboratory and I was wondering if Lucifer knew about it? And if he was okay with that too? Or why didn’t he try to stop Lucilius?
If the Astrals were so cruel to the primal beasts, why did Lucifer side with the Astrals to end the rebellion?
(By the way, I really like Lucifer a lot and I hope he becomes playable!! I feel really sad for him too but now that I am asking these questions I wonder what that guy was thinking)
If Bahamut made Lucio (?) and Lucilius made Lucifer, who made Lucilius? Why did they make him look exactly like Lucio?
What happened to Lucifer in the end? I hope he is peaceful in the afterlife with coffee and waiting for Sandalphon <3
I am sorry this is a lot of questions! I hope you can answer them! If not, thank you for your art still!
hi there! thank you for the compliment and I hope you had fun with wmtsb! this story truly means so much to me 🩵
i'll answer your questions with the best of my ability but bear in mind that this saga does leave some bits to the imagination; with some parts deliberately kept vague while others getting answered through retroactive flashbacks that were later added after the trilogy had concluded. it's a bit of a mess in that sense but it's my mess 😔
also bear in mind that gbvsr lore also gets very spotty because it's purely based on basically what-if scenarios and kind of lack that nuance that the og text gives which is a bit of a shame but i also get it... i hope more people play the trilogy for context regardless since versus is centered around it so heavily
Did Lucifer imprison Sandalphon in Pandemonium? If he did, was he planning to keep Sandalphon there forever? :’( If he wasn’t the one to put him there, did he know Sandalphon was there and he was okay with it? Or he did not know but he didn’t wonder what happened to Sandalphon for several thousand years?
lucifer was unaware of sandalphon's whereabouts during the rebellion, him and belial reflect upon this in 000's prologue. there's a VERY large span of time between the rebellion & sandy's escape, which included pandemonium being built, lucifer realizing that faa was responsible and belial set the fallen angels up to fail.. etc. enacting judgement... tracking down belial... tracking down bubz.... there's a brief scene there where he's shaken up after casting beelzebub off and tells gabriel he's going back to the shaded garden (where sandalphon used to be) before he remembers that it's now empty and just quietly stops himself, almost as if he was grieving
belial informs lucifer that orders to construct pandemonium to incarcerate the rebelling beasts are initiated (with the brunt of this work done by lucilius) and i feel like lucifer was probably unaware that sandy got caught up in the crossfire, he doesn't learn about sandalphon's whereabouts until the event where pandemonium's seal weakens which leads to sandalphon escaping & tipping the tetra elements off balance by stealing uriel's wings.
bear in mind that that i do think lucifer comes off as quite dismissive in 2017 i sincerely think it's because cygames said they initially weren't intending on continuing wmtsb1 as an anniv special trilogy which is why some of the early lore ends up being quite rough around the edges/never called back to. in wmtsb2, lucifer makes the decision to cede his role to nature all because the difference in their roles/status had brought sandalphon so much grief and was ready to approach him as his equal. and even then, he still didn't fight back against beelzebub because he didn't want the cradle that sandalphon was resting it to become collateral damage, redirecting him away knowing that his own life was what was keeping avatar, lucilius's destructive legacy, sealed
I have seen some people mention about how Sandalphon was tortured in the Astral Laboratory and I was wondering if Lucifer knew about it? And if he was okay with that too? Or why didn’t he try to stop Lucilius?
no!! sandalphon does mention in wmtsb1 that the research team toyed with what i can only assume were the 'lesser' archangels as test subjects (it's shown plenty of times in other events that the astrals often had little regard for beasts and the archangels often had to undergo performance testing and whatnot) lucifer wasn't present for any of those and was just shown inquiring about his test results. i also don't think lucilius was involved in the sandalphon torture chamber, any time he brought up anything about sandalphon in 000 was because lucifer had talked to him about it. otherwise i'm sure he would've had an array of snippy lines to throw at him during their battle in 000 but the best he can do is mock him about how lucifer told him that he wanted to be of use
If the Astrals were so cruel to the primal beasts, why did Lucifer side with the Astrals to end the rebellion?
lucifer didn't side with the astrals, the rebellion was a little more nuanced than just astrals vs primals because it was led by lucilius using belial as a farce for gathering primal beast cores at a massive scale. his priority at the time was to stifle the rebellion, which they managed to do via creating a giant cage to contain them for said farce. after he realizes that there wasn't going to be any way to talk lucilius out of plan to destroy the world he takes matter into his own hands and 'outgrows' his loyalty to the astrals by becoming the de-facto protector of the sky realm and eliminating any threats it faces, even if it meant he had to kill lucilius, his creator and someone he saw as a dear friend
If Bahamut made Lucio (?) and Lucilius made Lucifer, who made Lucilius? Why did they make him look exactly like Lucio?
Lucilius was simply born in the astral realm much like beelzebub was, without the knowledge that they were cloned copies of the dawn and dusk speakers (lucio and shalem). this is gbf creation lore but when bahamut (god) was split in two, the god of the stars basically based the astral world on the one he left behind (the sky realm), which included its inhabitants (i.e. his speakers)
this link is only felt by him subconsciously via his dreams where he received information and experiences akin to divine revelation, and felt his own shortcomings which he compensated for by making lucifer to complete himself 🥲 they basically explain this whole bit in 000 ch8 part3
What happened to Lucifer in the end? I hope he is peaceful in the afterlife with coffee and waiting for Sandalphon <3
they are... deliberately very vague about this. the most clear way to describe is that he's self aware in what feels like a dreamlike pocket dimension, it's brought up in his summon's transcendence fate episodes which i highly recommend checking out!
alternative if you wanna check out other wmtsb extras within gbf i made a post about it a while back
using AAVE is not the problem. I’m not bout to get mad at some hispanic kid from nyc for sayin deadass. I’m not gonna get mad at some white girl for using ‘bae.’
The problem isn’t people using AAVE full stop, its people using it incorrectly, getting clout for using AAVE, and/or turning around and saying black folks who use AAVE sound uneducated. THATS the problem. The problem isn’t that Bethany is saying ‘finna.’ (tho that do be sounding wack asl coming outta yalls mouths so maybe Stop w dat one)
Black people have shaped modern culture, and will continue to. Modern culture influences many, many things, including language. If you’re educated on why the double standards are a problem, understand that as a white person or a non-black POC you’re not gonna get as much shit for using AAVE, and aren’t just fucking ur posts up with bastardized AAVE, there’s no damn problem with using ‘on point’, or ‘hella’ (yall mfs deadass abt this one?). Not a damn thing.
This doesn’t extend to blaccents and digital blackface, ofc, but I’d hope yall have some sort of grasp on nuance to know that’s not what I’m talking abt. gn
If you started reading this post and assumed I was reblogging to tell non-black people to stop using AAVE and didn’t finish reading the post, please go and read the last part. Thank you.
When Zuko apologized to uncle Iroh in the tent cause he was so ashamed of his actions and what he’d done to the only person who unconditionally believed in his ability to do good >>>>>
So okay, I’ve given this rant before but this is another good time for it.
Structurally speaking, ATLA did something important with Zuko that, in a purely mechanistic sense of narrative development, I think a lot of people don’t notice immediately, and that even fewer people who want to emulate what was done with him get.
Which is Zuko is made a protagonist VERY early, and the show goes out of its way to continually place Zuko into situations where the audience empathizes and roots for him.
This happens in literally the second episode of the series, if we count the two-part premiere as a single episode, which I think we should. The A-plot of that episode, “The Southern Air Temple,” is Aang reckoning with the genocide of his people… but the B-plot?
The B-plot is the introduction of Zhao, and more specifically, his introduction in a way that is calculate to shift the audience, whose introduction to Zuko did NOT engender a ton of sympathy to him, directly and forcefully onto his side. They want Zuko to kick Zhao’s ass.
This continues all through book one and book two. Remember, Zuko is never, ever the main villain of this series. That’s initially Zhao, followed by Azula and Ozai. (Plus various temporary players like Long Feng.) Whenever Zuko isn’t placed into direct conflict with the other protagonists, he’s always written and presented in a way that is careful, VERY VERY careful, not to make him too monstrous, and to make us root for him. He’s placed right next to Iroh, who is designed for people to like, and that reflects back onto Zuko; we want Zuko to be better than he is because we want Iroh to have good things.
Put aside for the moment whether any specific character, including Zuko, deserves their redemption. If you’ve decided you’re going to do that, you have to erect the proper narrative scaffolding around them, and it extends to far more things than “did this person not do things that were too horrible” and “is this person genuinely sorry and is working really hard to atone.” There’s a difference between protagonist and white hat, but if you want someone to eventually wear that white hat, you REALLY need to establish them as a plausible protagonist early on.
Yeah, it was made obvious from the get go that Zuko is definitely nowhere near Zhao’s level of nasty, which in turn means he’s nowhere near Azula’s and nowhere in the scope of Ozai’s.
1.)
He made a deal with Aang to leave the Southern Water Tribe alone if Aang went with him. When Aang escaped with help from two of those tribe members, Zuko didn’t demand they go back and destroy what was left of the tribe as revenge. He didn’t even think of it as an option. There was no split second where he went, should I/shouldn’t I?
2.)
This is repeated. He corners the Avatar somewhere, causes some damage to the area in the ensuing fight, but does not stick around to raze the village/monastery to the ground and kill the people when he doesn’t get what he wants. Doesn’t consider this a necessary action even once.
3.)
The Iroh&Zuko relationship is juxtaposed with the Zhao&Zuko relationship. Both older men have more power over him. Iroh is a retired War General and Prince who is not banished. Zhao is a Commander in favor of the Firelord, who is also not banished. We could tell early on that Iroh is wise and despite being on the bad side, seems to be pretty chill. We took a liking to him immediately. Zhao is the opposite. He is very much like early!Zuko. Impulsive, rude, loud, cocky, etc… But why is he more annoying? Why do we root for Zuko as opposed to him?
Because we see what Zuko is like with his Uncle Iroh. Iroh does not rub in the fact that he’s banished. He doesn’t use that when reprimanding him for his attitude or his failings. That is a hot iron and he knows it. It’s to the point where Iroh can bend fire in Zuko’s face and Zuko is perfectly relaxed over it and doesn’t once believe his uncle will hurt him. There is a lot of faith in Iroh, from this angsty teenager, and it’s very obvious with their interactions.
Zhao is not trustworthy from the start. We’re shown this by how both Zuko and Iroh are hesitant to interact with him and don’t want to linger in areas he has control over, for too long. They even lie to him despite him obviously having more favor in the Firelord’s eyes than either of them do. Zhao’s personality opposes both Zuko and Iroh. And as we like Iroh, we want him to win and have nice things, as stated above. But Zuko&Iroh is a package deal. And as Zhao reveals himself more and more to be nasty even if it’s subtle, we want Zuko to win even harder.
And even when Zuko wins and he’s in the prime position to do to Zhao what Ozai did to Zuko for also ‘speaking out of turn’… he doesn’t do it. He walks away. He is the bigger man in that scenario. And Iroh further puts shame onto Zhao when he goes against the sacred rules of the Agni Kai because he can’t handle a loss to a banished teen. We are shown that Zuko follows rules and has honor, which is reinforced by Iroh’s, ‘even in exile, my nephew is more honorable than you’. Iroh’s Word is basically Law at this point. Sf he says it is so, then he must be right and the audience accepts that. He knows Zuko better than us and hopefully we’ll get to understand more as the story progresses.
Already by the 3rd episode, we’re shown that Zuko is in no way the worst person from the Fire Nation. In fact, we’re given a sort of scale now from the four major Fire Nation people we know of. Iroh–Zuko——-Zhao–Firelord.
We’re also hoping that Iroh rubs off on Zuko enough for him to also become wise and learn to chill out.
4.)
When “The Storm” finally rolls around, we’re pretty invested by then in the Iroh&Zuko relationship and that episode gives us so much more info into Zuko’s character and we are shown that Iroh is right. He has honor and he cares for others. And yet it’s obvious the Firelord doesn’t because we see Zuko do the right thing(protesting the plan to treat new recruits as cannon fodder) in the wrong place, and then his face gets burned off by his father because of it. And further, he’s banished for refusing to fight his own father. What sane parent wants to do battle with their own child? What sane parent banishes their child for speaking out of turn at the defense of their own peoples’ lives? What the fuck is wrong with the Firelord?
Zuko was punished severely for showing compassion and having a kind heart. And Iroh(and the ship crew even) is properly mortified by the punishments his nephew received for it, which in turn affects the audience’s perception of this situation. Iroh doesn’t like it, it’s especially bad then.
Now we start wondering why does Zuko wants to go back to the guy who burned his face off?! Iroh, talk some sense into him! PLEASE!
Halfway through S1, they got us to the point of wanting Zuko to have a redemption arc.
Making the audience want a character to be redeemed is also very important in this. We were shown he has redeemable qualities. We want that pay off! Do it justice!