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wizardpotions

I think I know where she is pal

athena-cat-wizard-official

dnschmidt

Writing Prompt:

The protagonist is dating someone for the first time in years, but it's a version of them from an alternate universe. The protagonist's friends aren't sure if they should be supportive or not.

skjam

"Is that incest or masturbation?"

"Might be a third thing we don't have a name for yet."

"I get that they're very compatible, but I might feel more comfortable if the other Bob was from a *more* alternate universe, you get me? As it is, this relationship raises a lot of questions about Bob's narcissism I didn't want to think about."

"I'm cool with it as long as at least one Bob does his actual work."

ds9promenade

Deep Space Nine 2x5, “Cardassians”

Keiko does not have time for your space-racism, Miles.

angrywarrior69

Why is she with him

ds9promenade

The cynical side of me would say that the answer is “because the show writers said so”

But I think another answer is, Because Miles proves himself open to being corrected. He isn’t too proud or defensive (or bogged down by toxic masculinity) to listen when people call him out on bigoted bullshit: he listens. Keiko is with him not because he messes up so bad sometimes, but because when he does mess up, he stops, and thinks, and behaves better in the future.

I also appreciate the comments from @firespirited and @onsomekindofstartrek on how the ethnicities of the actors of Keiko and Miles influence this scene, so be sure to check those out in the notes y’all!

Someone had to be the “bad guy” exhibiting the bigoted view for this important scene to take place, and I appreciate that Miles’ actor was willing to play that role. Together, these two skilled actors create a compelling scene that demonstrates to viewers 1) that alluding to the “bad breeding” of any group is very wrong indeed in any context, and 2) that one effective method for calling out bigotry in loved ones is simply to express disgust and disappointment in them, because if they truly respect you they’ll get the message and fix their attitude.

dgcatanisiri

There’s also 1) the fact that O’Brien is saying this because his role on DS9, narratively speaking, is to be the everyman, the representative of the ‘guy on the ground,’ the average person. The average person has these kinds of bigoted views that they don’t recognize until it is pointed out to them, and NEED to be called out.

And 2) O’Brien saying this is also a bit of character continuity - when the Cardassians were introduced in TNG’s “The Wounded,” it also introduced that the Federation and the Cardassians had been involved in a war against one another, O’Brien being on the ground during what is commonly referred to as “the Setlik III massacre,” where Cardassians, believing the Federation colony to be a military outpost, wound up slaughtering a population of civilians. Brutally. O’Brien’s captain at the time lost his entire family in it. O’Brien later admits to a Cardassian officer “I hate what I became because of you” in response to what he went through that day - when he had to kill a Cardassian soldier, the first time he’d ever killed.

And, particularly at this point, several years after marrying him, after living on a Cardassian-designed station for over a year, Keiko surely knows this. So she understands why he said what he said. But she is not going to condone it. She’s not going to let that he said it get a pass. She will call him out for his words, even knowing where they come from.

wemblingfool

And on top of that, he’s saying this in front of, or near a child who was abandoned by his people on a world full of people who hate him for his species. He’s heard this, and worse, about himself all his life.

It’s one thing for Miles to let stray comments like this slip in privet conversation lightyears away from the nearest person effected by it. As has been pointed out, Keiko would understand this comes from a place of pain and trauma.

But it’s another to say this about an innocent child in his presence. Or the presence of their daughter where she could learn this ugliness.

artsandwitchcrafting

This is an excellent piece of exposition on a very important scene between these two characters. Not only does it set up the dynamic of their relationship for the rest of the show, but it also gives O'Brien’s character room to question his assumptions about all Cardassians, and to realize that the average Cardassian citizen is not the evil incarnate he had made them out to be.

O'Brien does and should still hate the Cardassian military, and the Obsidian Order, but he realizes the average Cardassian citizen is not at fault for Setlik III, is not at fault for the occupation of Bajor, is not to blame for the war between Cardassia and the Federation which took place, I believe, around the beginning of TNG. Cardassia is a fascist militaristic dictatorship, and the citizens suffer just as much, though in different ways, as those Cardassia has oppressed and waged war with.

O'Brien’s newfound understanding can be seen in his interactions with Gilora Rejal; he’s not openly hostile, as he is whenever faced with Dukat or even Garak, because she’s a civilian scientist, and engineer like he is, just trying to get the bits and bobs of the station to function in order to achieve a goal. Hes willing to listen to her suggestions, and work alongside her (when she lets him). Even the awkward scene where it’s revealed he’s been flirting unknowingly with her is a huge step for him, because he’s not outright disgusted like he might have been in TNG.

O'Brien’s not perfect, not even as the ‘every man’; but the character growth we see from him is refreshing for a straight(?) white male character from the 90s. His willingness to look past his pride and change for the better is testament to that in and of itself.

lady-sci-fi

Allow for regular people to not be perfect and to grow from it, like he does. That’s good writing.

Miles has PTSD-type issues related to Cardassians. He was in the Federation-Cardassian War. That captain he served under then had his family killed by them. He’s going to have some realistic bigoted generalizations. But Keiko calls him out on it, and she does so in a way that’s not calling him a bad person, because he’s not. She knows about his issues.

And he paid attention. That’s what’s important.

prof-grace-aspen

Miles is so fascinating and I really think a lot of people could use looking at his storyline today.

fierceawakening

Yeah, and the way she said it is firm but gentle. She isn’t saying “wow you racist turd bomb,” she’s saying “hey, that thing you said? Not great.”

“That’s not great” is much more likely to get people rethinking than “oh my god eww you’re one of THOSE”

inkandguns

allthingswhumpyandangsty

wheelie-sick

sometimes people experiencing psychosis and/or mania will come up to you on the street and talk in confusing or upsetting ways. your job is to either have a regular human-to-human conversation with that person or politely leave. your job is not to call 911. do not call 911. you might kill that person if you call 911.

wheelie-sick

I don't even have the energy to screenshot and respond to your tags- what the actual fuck is wrong with you? "the cops are scared and rightfully so" "mental health calls are the scariest for cops" OH so this isn't about the safety of psychotic & manic people this is about piggy feelings?

and no, actually, this is not USA specific and no, actually, people from other countries should not ignore this post. police violence and sanism weren't invented in the US and they are certainly not unique to here. if you (or anyone) thinks that this bullshit doesn't happen elsewhere then you are not listening.

headspace-hotel

cops r Some Guy with a Gun

do we want Some Guy with a Gun in this situation? answer is usually "NO"

uncivilliberties

This is legitimately useful reframing. A while ago I started replacing the word "cop" in my vocabulary with "a man with a gun." It really puts things into perspective.

This homeless person is making me uncomfortable. Should I call [a man with a gun]?

My neighbor is having a loud party. Should I get [a man with a gun] involved?

There are some teenagers skateboarding. Do you think [a man with a gun] would get rid of them for me?

It makes it very clear what you're saying. I can call a man with a gun to threaten or hurt someone mildly inconveniencing me. You're not calling the cops, you're calling A MAN WITH A GUN into a situation that does not warrant a firearm handled by a volatile lunatic who will not be held accountable for his actions.

headspace-hotel

^ ^ ^

phantomrose96

I'm very very glad that my knee-jerk, gut-feeling, primal-instinct reaction to seeing a Default Influencer is embarrassment. I think this saves me from a lot of bullshit.

phantomrose96

Some lip-filler lady on enough Ozempic to euthanize a horse: "The sad truth is an elite lifestyle takes money and discipline. Buy these brands on credit if you have to. Skip meals."

Me: "Oh. Oh I'm physically experiencing the effects of secondhand embarrassment. You live like this? This is your life? Your interiority? If I was anything like this I'd kill myself I think."

phantomrose96

To be clear ☝️, absolutely not gender-exclusive. Some broccoli-haired shirtless 23-year-old man on enough trenbolone to euthanize a different horse starts talking about how to be a high-value male and I start thinking instantly about how I'd have 4,000 slugs use me as a jungle-gym before I'd want this man within cootie-contagion distance of me.

phantomrose96

refuzz

phantomrose96

Respect for my soldiers… she’s saving him… the hons…

tall-grass-dweller

the more things change...

... the more they stay the same.

shesgonnachangetheworld

people have this tendency to believe that fandom discourse exists because people in fandoms are Stupid Nerdy Losers, but in fact fandom discourse exists because anytime you get a group of more than 100 people together, they will start creating interpersonal bullshit. fandom is not special in this regard

lyricwritesprose

There is sports discourse. There is yarn discourse. There is food discourse. There is academic discourse (dear sweet god is there academic discourse). If there are people out there collecting brass buttons specifically from 1921, they are going to have discourse about which buttons are trash and whether Person A cheated person B. To be human is to engage in pointless wankery sometimes.

megpie71

Boosting signal

eebie

I just ate one

eebie

You can lie when you name things

sparrowlucero

the among us show being a total gorefest on par with john carpenter's the thing is a really fun choice

sparrowlucero

the among us show having a gay orgy in the middle of it is another really fun choice

sparrowlucero

realizing many people don't know about infinity train creator owen dennis' among us show from years ago, which has been trapped in unreleased limbo all this time and was just dumped on streaming this morning with no advertisement. they don't even know about its weirdly stacked cast

mousathe14

Wayne Knight? I didn’t know he still did stuff. Patton Oswald? Elijah Wood? Yvette Nicole Brown? PHIL LAMARR? What IS this?

skarchomp

got high and watched some death note last night. this is the funniest shit ever. everyone in high school who tried to convince me that light was a) morally complex or b) smart owes me money.