lose it

acab

[dingodad]

roxy transgender debate annoying as fuck at this point

[dingodad]

if you're like "hussie deliberately included complex gendered themes in homestuck" and then the next moment you're like "hussie gave this character a complex gendered arc in the epilogues cus they're stupid and weren't thinking" i dont have to have time for your ass. Frankly

[milf--adjacent]

People coming onto my shen egg post with the most koala-brained takes like "how dare you see the same pain and fear and desire you had as a closeted trans lesbian and express that! Quit being transphobic and headcannoning real life people!"

A brain filled with fictional lesbians and sadness is literally the transfem lesbian experince pre-hatching, stupid bitch. Get your he/him genderfuck ass off my post.

[mxelliecollins]

heyyy i generally agree with this post but could you not call transmascs stupid bitches and imply that theyre women faking their genders for woke cred? i understand your frustration but thats still transphobic, you can call out transmisogyny from tme trans people without utilizing transphobic rhetoric yourself

[cryptid-catnip]

i'm sorry but if you can't see transfem roxy you straight-up read hs wrong

you are just erasing a heavily transfem-coded character for your own shitty headcanon

"oh but she's canonically transmasc in the epilogues" idfc, the writers of post-canon are notorious transmisogynists

[mxelliecollins]

...what even? the writers of post-canon are transfem. andrew hussie and james roach are both transfem. roxy's hyperfemininity and june's hypermasculinity mirror each other. roxy was always intended to be transmasc just as june was always intended to be transfem.

[weirdtranssexual]

let me explain why trans men don’t benefit from the patriarchy:

the moment we’re discovered to be trans we lose any and all benefits we would’ve gained, and if you can lose those benefits that easily you never had concrete access to the patriarchy in the first place

[weirdtranssexual]

even if you’re stealth, if you have to hide a fundamental part of who you are in order to receive benefits from the patriarchy, then you never had access to patriarchal power at all

[weirdtranssexual]

facts that back this up:

trans men make less money than cis women

trans men have the highest rates of sexual assault among any gender demographic

trans men have higher rates of suicide than any demographic period

trans men are regularly denied access to reproductive healthcare

[mxelliecollins]

do you think closeted or clocky trans women benefit from the patriarchy?

[calware]

someone on tumblr: hey guys i see terezi as transmasc

random person in the tags: cool 👍

someone on tumblr: hey guys i see dave as transfem

random person in the tags: huh that's interesting! you know i personally never saw dave as being transfem but i think that's fun! dave is kinda like transgender in all directions like dave is just So transgender he can be trans all at once? lol i never really got that vibe myself but it's cool to see what other people are doing! i love seeing different interpretations even if they don't line up with how i see them <3 never gave it any consideration though haha but don't worry im open to unusual readings!

[mxelliecollins]

someone on tumblr: hey guys transmasc roxy is literal unambiguous canon and fleshed out beautifully

random person in the tags: huh that's interesting! you know i personally never saw roxy as being transmasc but i think that's fun! roxy is kinda like transgender in all directions like roxy is just So transgender she can be trans all at once? lol i never really got that vibe myself but it's cool to see what other people are doing! i love seeing different interpretations even if they don't line up with how i see them <3 never gave it any consideration though haha but don't worry im open to unusual readings!

[txttletale]

as someone seeing all this from the outside, whats trnasphobic about people hating homestuck? I've never seen it associated with trans people and I cant see anything about this hussie guy who made it being trans

hussie is in fact trans (nonbinary, any pronouns, apparently psycholonials goes into more detail about how they feel re: gender but i haven't played it) and if you've never seen it 'associated with trans people' idk skill issue there is a very large and vocal trans fanbase for it and historically has been to the point that it's a meme that a bunch of transmascs who transitioned circa 2015 are called dave and are embarassed if you ask why. that said i don't think there's anything transphobic about hating homestuck, there's lots of perfectly good reasons to hate homestuck or hussie. parts of homestuck are horrifically racist. some of hussie's older work is even worse. the ending sucks. the epilogues suck and also waste much more of your time. huge chunks of the comic itself are just not very good even aside from the racism. you can feel however you want about homestuck idc

where transmisogyny comes into it is 1. poeple have been harassing and ridiculing a bunch of trans women on here for having a book club wher ethey read it and 2. moreover and what i have mainly been posting abt this in relation to is that there are many people whose reaction to dtwof losing in a meme poll is to go on various different varietals of 'the degenerate ingrates are not appreciative of the True Real Queer Culture, how far we have fallen' rants, which is indicative of a kind of cisbian homonationalist reactionary attitude that elevates the 80s/90s usamerican cis gay scenes to the status of an unattainable mythic past. & this is an attitude that basically goes hand in hand with transmisogyny because they treat any of the many, many warranted criticisms about how transmisogynistic the culture and scenes they idolize were with extreme condescencion and hostility.

[exaltior-a]

canonically in homestuck there is a version of Dave Strider who becomes a happier and more self accepting person in part because they no longer have to be a man (davepeta) and yet still transmasc dave remains the most popular headcanon...

[lutzlig]

TUMBLRWOMAN 2023 Finals

Marceline VS Vriska

Marceline

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Voting ended onFeb 5, 2023

[dairypropaganda]

What the fuck are these tags. You dumb motherfucker. One of these characters is a trans woman. CANONICALLY. Get your shit together. This is bullshit and you know it.

[saturnsocoolioyep]

[lesbiancube]

saw a person say dave was transmasc and got so so scared. luckily shes a girl in real life

[tardigradetester]

yknow i love transmasc/tboy dirk always and forever but the way some ppl treat transmascness vs transfemmeness in HS's narrative........kinda sucks. like the whole thing about how being transfeminine is a literal transient experience and lets the character in question (any character) truly escape the oppression of HS's narrative-as-a-character which is patriarchal and toxic (lord english, hussie-the-character to an extent. i guess. idk ive seen a lotta ppl lump SI-hussie in w/ this), which is great and does hold weight as an analytical lens esp with how hussie irl is nonbinary. but where does this leave transmasc characters. why are we treating (headcanoned) transfemme HS characters like this and then tbh gleefully dooming (headcanoned) transmasc characters to eternal narrative suffering brought by LE and then mocking them for being ''gross tboys'' full of ''icky testorerone'' so its their fault theyre in this perpetual torment really? because they ''''chose to be a man''''? dunno man its starting to feel bad. especially since some bnf's who are really into this fan theory do actually kinda treat the general idea of transmasculinity like somthing to hold with tongs at arms length away from them. as if its alien or infectous or something and then get really mad when equally dysphoric transmascs do the same with feminity. why are we dooming dirk strider to eternal toxic-masculine suffering and what does that say about how we treat real life transmasc folks both in and outside of the fandom

[mxelliecollins]

June isn't a headcanon. She's canon. Transmasc Dirk is a headcanon thats implied to be untrue by Ultimate Dirk. The canon transmasc is Roxy, who accompanies June through the retcon and shares her themes of escaping the narrative.

[derseprinceoftbd]

Transmasc Homestuck Kid headcanons ranked by how much sense I think they make:

Tons:

Jane

Roxy

Plenty:

John

Dirk

Little:

Rose

Jade

None:

Dave

Jake

Transfem Homestuck Kid headcanons ranked by how much sense I think they make:

Tons:

Jade

Roxy

Plenty:

June

Rose

Little:

Dave

Dirk

None:

Jane

Jake

The conclusion that Roxy is thus the most transgender human in Homestuck was forgone.

[mxelliecollins]

June is explicitly transfem and it's not right to erase it with headcanons. Transmasc John makes no sense. Roxy is explicitly transmasc and it's not right to erase it with headcanons. Transfem Roxy makes no sense.

[microwaveable-icons]

even more transmasc daves. you can never have too many of em.

[mxelliecollins]

Roxy is right there. Dave is transfem.

[dorkhellbside]

[saint-speaks]

Abortion, Trans Men, and Male Privilege.

The abortion conversation is actually a perfect example of how asinine the concept of trans men having male privilege is. When people start talking about abortion rights, there is always at least a half a thousand posts made with the statement, “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be free and available on every corner,”. Of course, this isn’t true- men can get pregnant, and we don’t have easy access to abortion — in fact, it’s often harder for men to get an abortion than it is for a woman.

Of course, if cisgender men could get pregnant, then maybe that original statement of “then abortion would be free and available of every corner,” might be slightly closer to the truth. That’s because the government/ the patriarchy is run with cisgender men in mind. Laws are made to make their lives easier. This isn’t the case for transgender men, in fact, the law is regularly working to make our lives much harder than that of a cisgender man or a cisgender woman’s.

The source of male privilege is the patriarchy, in simple terms, the patriarchy is the way that the government is built with cisgender men in mind. It supports only cisgender men. Not transgender men. Which is why transgender men doesn’t possess male privilege.

Instead, we get laws that make it harder for us to get birth control, and we get told to shut up by women whenever we try to talk about abortion and birth control from the male perspective, because it’s seen as “diverting the conversation away from the real victims (women),”.

[canadianwheatpirates]

[cw for transphobic rape, forced pregnancy, forced detransition]

Cis women’s takes on trans men and abortion also completely fail to think of the particular harms that we face in places that are anti-abortion.

The dominant narrative around trans men and abortion is that we have the same problems as cis women, plus we have “a more difficult time” accessing reproductive healthcare services (often with no explanation of what that actually means – being turned away because we have an M on our medical records, because we look like men even if we have an F on our medical records, being excluded from automatic notification systems like cervical smear reminders, etc). We’re treated as “cis women plus”, without much consideration to what the larger world looks like for trans men in states and countries with anti-abortion laws.

If you can’t terminate a pregnancy, and you can be charged with manslaughter for a miscarriage, then the legal system can force pregnant trans men to stop taking T regardless of the patient’s wishes. T isn’t birth control, but it does have adverse effects on pregnancies; it’s extremely likely that doctors will be forced to stop prescribing T to pregnant trans men so that they can’t be seen as complicit in “breaking the law” (inducing a miscarriage).

This means that cis men can forcibly detransition trans men by raping and impregnating us. The detransition is backed up socially when all pregnancy-related care services are “for women”; this forces us to live socially as women in order to not fucking die of neglect during pregnancy.

So not only do we not have male privilege, because access to these services is harder for us than it is for cis women, but we face specific dangers from anti-abortion law that cis women never fucking talk about, either because they don’t know or because they don’t think our forced detransition is a big deal.

[saint-speaks]

Yeah, this as well.

I did meet up with a trans man once at a bar in Seattle, we were talking about the current abortion bill in Texas while getting a little too drunk, who spoke about a very similar issue, because it had happened to him.

He was sexually assaulted by a cis male roommate and ended up pregnant. It had turned out the man who had assaulted him had purposefully been stealing his birth control. He had been celibate and trying to figure out where his meds were going (and suspected someone in the shared-house he had been stealing them for some reason, but assumed it was one of the younger girls who had recently started dating), then he was rapped several times and told to his face that being pregnant would show him that he wasn’t a real man.

He lived in Texas at the time and this occurred numerous decades ago, this was before Robert Eads passed away. There was zero legal protection in place, anywhere on earth, for trans men who needed reproductive care, ovarian care, cervix care, or any other form of “female health care” and no movement, even within the queer community, was talking about the need for those protections.

It was the 80s. Getting an abortion in Texas as a woman was hard then (and is now), and it was impossible as a man. He had to de-transition to get an abortion. And by de-transition I mean the whole nine yards. He had to tell his therapist that he was a cisgender woman in order to get her help with getting an abortion.

He had just barely made it before the “it’s too late to get an abortion” line in the time-frame when he got his.

Not only that, but he had to wait until 1998 to get back on testosterone, because he had to lie and say he wanted to de-transition to get that abortion. The abortion he wouldn’t have been able to get unless he said he was a woman. Knowing that if he didn’t say he wanted to, he would have had to anyway during the period in which he was pregnant and would be forced to give birth, due to the reasons stated above by canadianwheatpirates.

That was over a decade of his life where he was fighting to re-transition, after he was raped and forced to de-transition in order to get an abortion. Over a decade of his life where he was just waiting and pleading for access to medical transition.

[mxelliecollins]

okay so i realize as tme people you probably didn’t think about trans women or transmisogyny once while writing this post, but i want you to sit down and really think about those now.

so. what are cissexist colonialist doctors trying to do when they assign a gender at birth? uphold the fictitious sex binary by dividing the world into “can get pregnant” and “can impregnate” right?

what are terfs trying to do? justify their exclusion of trans women by dividing the world into “can get pregnant” and “can impregnate” and then saying that the latter group oppresses the former, therefore cis men and trans women oppress cis women and trans men, therefore safe spaces need to be divided by agab/”sex” instead of your real gender.

alright. now. whose hands are you playing into when you say that pregnancy is a source of oppression and that trans men don’t have male privilege because they can get pregnant? did you not notice that the flip side of that is that trans women DO have male privilege because they can get others pregnant? did you not notice that you’re upholding the same colonialist construct as the doctors who misgendered you at birth?

tl:dr; corporate needs you to find the difference between your post and these jk rowling tweets:

oops! they’re the same picture :/

[mxelliecollins]

@cock-dealer i’m not accusing you of “competing with trans women” i’m saying tme trans folks have a nasty habit of parroting terf talking points without even realizing it. when you say that people who can get pregnant are uniquely oppressed for this and that trans men don’t have male privilege, you are agreeing with terfs on the following:

1. that sex is binary and that it’s easy to tell who can and cannot get pregnant 2. that people who can get pregnant are oppressed by and thus need to be protected from people who can get others pregnant 3. that oppression and privilege are based on your agab/colonialist binary “sex” and not on your actual gender

like… do you really not see how this stuff is exactly what radfems say and part of an ideology that gets trans women killed?

[starkillerblast]

dear radfems

I find it very sad that so many radfems proudly dislike our trans sisters. Even other members of the LGBTQ+ community want to remove us. Do you believe you’re “one of the good ones”? Why are you so desperate for the bigots’ approval? Who do you think they’d go after next? People are more divided than ever about whether I deserve to exist or not. Radfems preach about wanting equality and freedom for women, so why exclude trans women? They argue that femininity and womanhood is not a performance, then what else is it? We know gender is a social construct, so why exclude trans women from it? Trans people have been trying to make cis people comfortable for decades, not too loud and not too quiet. You can only take so much from us before we get louder. How can you claim to be a feminist when you are so insecure of your womanhood? Is it so hard for you to comprehend that genitals don’t determine somebody’s experiences and gender expression? You gladly accept the label of being a terf, almost thrilled that your beliefs involve disregarding a minority of people. Not only do terf beliefs harm trans women, but also cis women. Cis women who don’t conform to gender roles are now being attacked or targeted because people believe they may be transgender. You are now enforcing gender roles you claim you fight so hard against. Why must someone look or behave a certain way just because of what they have in their pants? I urge you to stop dehumanising trans people and to try listening to trans stories, the parents of trans children, and to develop empathy for your fellow human beings.

[our-queer-experience]

[spacelazarwolf]

demanding that anyone you consider to be ‘too masculine’ for your delicate sensibilities soften or feminize themselves for your personal benefit will always be transphobic, butchphobic, and racist. and also just straight up entitled. i don’t care if u have trauma, u literally do not have the right to demand other people change who they are bc ur uncomfy. u are not the center of the universe.

[mxelliecollins]

Nobody has the right to ask anyone to change their presentation, but I think part of the issue here is that many culturally acceptable “masculine” behaviors are actually quite toxic. If someone responds to disagreement with anger, yelling, or punching a wall? That’s not good. We excuse it all the time in men but that doesn’t mean it’s ok. Lowkey femmephobia via the implication that being masc is somehow smarter or more logical and feminine people are being frivolous and impractical? “Oh, it takes her so long to get ready, I’m glad I’m masc and don’t have to waste all that time and money!” I see this all the time in every type of masc-presenting person imaginable. Our culture repeats it all the time. Doesn’t make it right.