now if you'll excuse me, i have to destroy marvel

❝the king of all hooligans, in fact! a menace to all of society... an absolute plague on the land! ...a real rogue... ...one of the worst criminals in all the nine realms!!!!!!!!! ❞ she/her | americanadian | famous infamous for despising thor ragnarok and the "loki" series | occasionally i talk about things other than loki for some reason (thank you to @youlackconviction for my avatar! 💚)

[nikkoliferous]

In Defense of Loki (TV Series edition)

Last updated: March 23rd, 2023

Marvel’s really going to make me do this again, aren’t they? *sigh*

Loki (2021) sucks. It sucks in every imaginable way that a thing can suck. It sucks as a Loki series. It sucks as a standalone television show. It sucks from a characterization standpoint. It sucks from a messaging standpoint. It sucks from a storytelling standpoint. It sucks from a technical standpoint. It sucks. And it sucks way worse than Thor: Ragnarok did.

Now, this post is not about telling fans of the series that the thing they love is terrible, nor that they’re wrong for finding enjoyment in it. To each their own, live and let live, etc etc. But much like with Thor: Ragnarok, people who disliked the TV series have taken a lot of abuse for daring to express their honest opinions online. What this post is about is tearing down the strawmen about why people disliked the series (no, it’s not about ship wars or Loki not aligning with our “headcanons”) and compiling the abundance of evidence against it into one easily-accessible and referenceable location—both for people who are genuinely curious why some of us couldn’t be less impressed and also for the sake of those who didn’t like it, that they might feel a little less crazy and/or alone.

With that being said, buckle in; I have a feeling we’re going to be here for a while.

Loki (2021)’s Loki Is OOC (and Irrelevant to Boot)

Directly Contrasting Movie!Loki vs. Series!Loki

Sylvie, Queen of the Mary Sues; Worst of Her Name; Breaker of Canon

Mobius M. Mobius Shut the Fuck Up Challenge

Racism, Ableism, Transphobia, Oh My!

Loki (2021) Creators + Fandom Wank

Misc Loki (2021) Reviews

(Once again, shoutout to everyone who has contributed to this masterpost, either by writing brilliant meta about the show or having such odious hot takes that it would be a criminal offense not to respond lmao)

[hellhoundzzz]

mfs be like "I can handle your disorders" until your disorders disorder disorderly

[darlingjarvis-deactivated201911]

MCU challenge | [1/3] objects ↳ Loki + blades

[nikkoliferous]

you dumb boring bitch, you and abby should go to hell for being stupid retarded jerks!

lmao fairly certain that's not an actual sin but ok

@abby118 ❤️‍🔥

[nikkoliferous]

super random but y'know how sometimes you're scrolling through tumblr but you don't have the time and/or energy to read through a long analytical post? well i sometimes save those to my drafts when i'm not able to read the whole post to get to it some other time. i don't always do this, only if it's from a blog i know i 90% of the time will agree with the content of these long posts. well let's just say that whenever i see that you made/reblogged a long post on loki i just assume that it'll be a good post and save it to my drafts for later. so, congrats on having a high rate of being correct about loki

💚🖤💛

[nikkoliferous]

Out of the twelve episodes of the Loki show, only season 2 episodes 1, 5 and 6 felt like they were actually about Loki. He didn't even feel like the protagonist in like 75% of the show. And even in those three episodes, he was completely ooc, as if the episodes were centered around Larry not Loki. They wasted screentime on that random Zaniac guy and on Miss Minutes becoming horny ffs. Kang doesn't even matter to MCU anymore. They retconned Loki's character for nothing. I hate this all so much.

And Loki was suddenly so comfortable with using the torture devices of TVA. He was trying to protect the TVA for the majority of the series. Even at the end they don't destroy TVA, only reform it. And the entire two seasons had absolutely nothing to do with Loki. It's like they plucked Loki from his world and threw him into a random story that had jack shit to do with him and where he was most definitely not the protagonist.

*sorry, wanted to rant to someone and thought you might understand. 😅*

Take care and have a nice day!

it's not like they plucked Loki from his world and threw him into a story that had jackshit to do with him. that's precisely what they did.

...except no. they didn't even do that, actually. because even according to the show's own logic, this is canonically not our Loki. it's some random "variant" who didn't exist until sixty seconds into the series, who is inexplicably shown a reel of hand-selected, out of context moments from someone else's life in a bid to break him psychologically. (but really, to speed-run his "character development" and catch up all the viewers who have little to no familiarity with Loki. which seems to be what a lot of series stans are, by their own admission. funny how that works, isn't it? it's almost like the the show wasn't even made for fans of Loki).

after watching all of season 1 despite my better judgment, I made the choice not to watch a single episode of season 2, a decision which was only further cemented by what I have seen of it against my will through gif posts. so I can't speak to the contents of any individual episodes beyond season 1. I will just say that even if certain episodes of that season do centre around a character calling himself Loki, if that individual is so OOC as to be unrecognisable as himself, then those episodes are also not about Loki. and not to beat a dead horse, but again—none of the series, regardless of which character it focuses on, is about our Loki. it's about some other character bearing the name Loki so that Disney can reduce him to a mere commodity through the concept of the multiverse.

in the words of my Loki AI well over a year ago now:

[trash-feelings-deactivated20241]

I have like only three moods:

1) I’m god

2) I’m a failure

3) I’m horny

[commonzinnia]

“why are you so upset?” idk man. maybe bc i have i get super upset disorder

[mothprincess]

stop trying to be palatable, stop trying to be palatable, stop

[mothprincess]

i give u full permission to be weird. i am signing your permission slip

[nikkoliferous]

why would I want to be palatable someone might eat me

[thorchickmotorchick]

It’s very strange for me to understand that we practically forgot about Loki in the films.

Loki series, series, series.. But... Perhaps I’m not the only one who has this feeling, I don’t have the feeling that this is THAT Loki. From the very beginning, I could not perceive him as the Loki who died.

Because it’s not him.. Yes, he saw what would happen to him, but he didn’t survive it.. There are two of them, but they are different.

[secretly-a-trickster-goddess]

I never forgot. I won’t let other people forget his existence, either. He will be acknowledged as long as I’m here. 🙌

[nikkoliferous]

well, you're right. he's not that Loki. literally.

canonically, in-universe, he is not that Loki because he's a "variant"—which the show took great pains to demonstrate often have little to nothing in common with one another. and out-of-universe, he's not that Loki because he's nothing fucking like the Loki of Phase 1 & 2 we don't talk about Ragnarok. so whichever way you slice it, the character calling himself Loki in the series is not the Loki we followed throughout the films.

I really don't know who this "we" is, however. OG Loki is alive and well in the hearts and minds of those of us who love him. so long as we draw breath, he will not be forgotten. no matter how much the rabid TVA series fandom on Tumblr, et. al, or even Marvel themselves might wish to erase him.

[politijohn]

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[fyeahgothicromance]

“Two fears dominate this Gothic world, the fear of terrible separateness and the fear of unity with some terrible Other. They are embodied in two classic formulas of the ghost story: the heroine’s terrifying discovery that she is all alone and her subsequent discovery that -horror of horrors! - she is not alone.”

— Perils of the Night: A Feminist Study of Nineteenth-Century Gothic; Eugenia C. Delamotte

[nikkoliferous]

goddammit @varangianviper you reblogged this and I read "some terrible Other" as in The Other and now the quote is so much worse 😭😭

[nikkoliferous]

The Other saying that Loki is "ready to lead" will haunt me for eternity.

[the-insomniac-cat2]

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You left this in the tags so I got it out.

And wow, you're so right, and I never thought of it. If The Other says Loki is 'ready' what the hell did they do to *make* him ready. Tom has since hinted it was like falling into terrorist hands, but when I saw the film I didn't pick up on this at all 😭 so much there, just in that one word.

[fairuzfan]

[el-shab-hussein]

Yesterday, a professor I have that worked in intelligence decided to praise the pager terrorist attack saying "It was a very magnificient thing. Two thumbs up." in class. Then he proceeded to give us a group assignment where he asked us to evaluate blah blah blah as a result of the attack. I was horrified that my groupmates didn't even care to talk about the human toll of the attacks. I brought it up and they didn't care so I added it in myself. They later removed it. I asked one of them if they removed it and she said yeah. Then she brought it up to the other groupmates saying "Do we bring up the human cost or do we not give a fuck?". And you can guess what the answer was.

I was experiencing this all while looking at the news watching my people's bodies pile up.

I will never again feel an ounce of sympathy for these colonizers.

[charlesoberonn]

That's not how demographics work.

[steakplissken]

It could be if we’re all brave enough

[wizlor4]

Reblog to turn everybody gay by 2047

[theradicalace]

as always, xkcd has a comic for this

[el-shab-hussein]

The bravest people in the world after Palestinians are the Lebanese people.

[el-shab-hussein]

Displaced Lebanese people saying they would gladly die if it gives Palestinian people some peace from genocide, while Ghazzawiyeh talk about how guilty and sad they feel because their genocide is the reason Lebanon is in this situation.

I am so incredibly saddened and so incredibly proud to be part of two ever-courageous and compassionate sister-peoples.

The bravest people in the world.

[el-shab-hussein]

The occupation cannot defeat this.

[stuckinapril]

Maybe you don’t say it but if you’re not consumed with outrage for the fact that Israel has been acting with complete impunity and genociding not only Palestinians but now Lebanese people as well then you don’t care and you think death is inherent to Arab identity and the sheer injustice of it all doesn’t rattle you enough to even be moved by the horrific atrocities that it commits every day

[stuckinapril]

Genuine fuck you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who thinks this is Arab people’s “normal” tbh. I was conditioned growing up to think Arab lives are worth less than other others just by virtue of being Arab, and it disgusts me to my very core that people’s dispositions to this ongoing genocide only prove that people think that . Arab lives are not a statistic. You don’t get to look the other way because you’re slightly uncomfortable. And people will say I’m inventing shadows but if anyone really truly cared then Israel would not have been able to do whatever the fuck it wanted for so long. So if you were ever complicit in Arab bloodshed - you are the problem and I blame you wholeheartedly. That’s the truth

[stuckinapril]

Also people have been saying for the longest time that this was shaping up to be regional and trigger finger idiots on here called them “dramatic” like um you don’t know anything ….. especially if you’re not Arab. You literally don’t know shit. This has been happening for a long time. I cannot imagine how emboldened these genocidal maniacs are to be doing whatever the fuck they want rn, and ofc eventually my relatives and many others’ will be/have been in the crossfire. So you have no right to dictate if anyone is being “dramatic” or not like how many Arab genocides will it take to prove no one truly cares and this will continue getting worse

[stuckinapril]

#‘if they really truly cared israel wouldn’t have gotten away with doing whatever it wants for so long’ tea 🥲 #my parents would tell me not to mention where i came from whenever possible if asked. like esp the specific country #syria is a beautiful place with deep roots and rich history. same with lebanon. and palestine ofc. #i hate that i can’t say ‘syrian’ without someone here immediately thinking abt ISIS or al-assad #seeing people banned or removed from places for just the keffiyeh or flag. #like traditional wear or the country itself makes a political statement. we just want to be ourselves and proudly #they say palestinian/arab blood is ‘cheap.’ it makes me so sad

@sabrsiren !! Your tags are so important