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louis was forced to apologize to BOTH of his abusers this season oh my god iâm homicidal
"thank you for loving him, for loving him the way he needs to be loved"
with few exceptions we have only seen black characters graphically get brutalized. they had closeups of louisâs body and face after lestat tried to murder him showing the extent of what was done, we saw just how burned and disfigured he was after her suicide attempt, claudiaâs death is one of the most graphic iâve seen on any tv show, we got closeups of their ankles slashed and shots of louis being kicked in the head and claudia being shoved into a box of live rats by the coven members. the majority of louisâs scenes in episode 7 were of his decapitated head on a pike, forced to look at his body as it flailed, begging to die, forced to apologize in something so close to a saw trap that it was bordering on copyright infringement while being painted as cruel and deserving of the abuse and then branded by armand.
we didnât see any shots of lestatâs head in the bowling bag. we saw him burn, but it was portrayed as comical. we did not see bruce as he died, we did not see lestat get torn up by the wolves, we did not watch nicki die. in the majority of the scenes where a white character is injured, the action is cut away, out of frame, out of focus, mostly implied.
the extent of what we saw of the brutality of black characters now feels almost fetishistic. at the end of episode 105, lestat is floating in the air looking dreamy and louis is beaten to a pulp on the ground; episode 207, lestat is put together in a suit with his hair done and louis and claudia have been severely beaten. like, after this season, the rest of the show just looks weird.
Not ending with the concert where Akasha awakens is actually such an insane choice. Itâs like ending s2 with no trial. Like that is THE event of the season.
tvl episode simulation
lestat: *awful french(?) accent* fam they are low-key trying to cancel me for serving too much cunt all because i'm too camp and too whimsical and now the woke mobe is coming for me but they'll have to take the L because I HAVE THE BLOOD OF AKASHA IN ME iykyk i'm just living rent-free in your minds because i'm looking snatched periodt
*five minutes musical video with the worst song you have ever heard*
gabriella: *count dracula accent* uuuuh lestat fuck me !! fuck mamma again and again and again !! i want sex i want to be FUCKED i want to suck a cock i love cock i only think of cock and murder uuuuuh lestat let's kill all humanity
daniel: did you stutter as a child? did you stutter as a child? did you stutter as a child? did you stutter as a child? oh and also: *seven different slurs*
louis: oh i'm sorry i'm a selfish bastard i'm a bad person i should be humbled *random slurs are said his way*
armand: *opens his eyes two seconds before the episode ends*
claudia says she hates my guts move on next scene. you say you love me move on next scene. you say you stalked me for 52 years move on next scene. i was in love with a boy once he killed himself he was my first love move on next scene. armand was there move on next scene. I'm telling you we started hanging out offscreen move on next scene. my mom and i killed our whole family move on next scene. I'm on an apology tour syke move on next scene. i have a body double oops hes dead move on next scene. i was in aa with your guitarist move on next scene. i don't have transformational trauma now im in cahoots with my maker move on next scene. god forbid we let the weight of anything settle
I feel like this entire season has been giving off the vibe that Louis is the problem and has always been the problem.
Iâve been thinking about this tweet everyday since 3x06. It was posted before ep6 came out but still rings true.
Louis & Claudia portrayed in the worst light imaginable. Some of Lestatâs wrongs absolved or reframed as âless harshâ (no you donât understand Antoinette cut off her own finger, no you donât understand the queenâs blood makes it so he canât ârestrainâ himself.) Antoinette being given more sympathy #justiceforantoinette. LouClaudiaâs relationship, most especially Claudia, framed as the wedge between Loustat ala Adam OâByrne referring to the seance as them âdealing with the problemâ the problem being LouClaudia. Claudia framed as a cackling villain eager for their demise in both the covenâs and this seasonâs portrayal of her, as tho everything she did was just for evilâs sake.
The framing this season makes it seem like the problem with Loustat was Louclaudia and now that Claudiaâs dead, itâs just Louis holding them back. And while Louis isnât perfect and has had his toxic moments, this framing only makes sense if you viewed S1 Loustat as a âmutually abusiveâ relationship (which is not real!) or as Louis being the abuser in the relationship. And now that Louis has been humbled, ridiculed, and insulted by literally every main character this season, Loustat can be happy now. Louis just had to get over himself and get over Claudia.
I just have no idea how you can create two seasons of this character falling victim to several abusive relationships, and come out of them with this logic. Itâs common knowledge that Louis (not Loustat, Louis as an individual) isnât popular among the fandom or within the writerâs room, but thereâs a difference between not liking him as much vs straight up hating him and their feelings are showing.
And the defense that this season is from Lestatâs POV so thatâs why things are so biased doesnât work because when the story was from Louisâ perspective, even when Loustat were at their all time lowest, Lestat wasnât nearly as ridiculed or framed as horribly by the narrative.
Idk itâs just so bleak.
okay now that I've seen it: thoughts on the tvl season finale:
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So... what was the point of this season? I thought we'd at least get to Akasha awakening and/or the big concert, but we don't even get that far. It's hard to say anything is disappointing at this point... but that's what it is. Literally what did we accomplish this season. Lestat... had a rock band and kind of revisited his past (but didn't really reveal much we didn't already know from the two previous seasons and doesn't seem to have learned anything in the interim, anyway) and kind of got back together with Louis in a very unearned way and apparently in the background hundreds of thousands of people were turned into vampires as part of the Great Conversion (with has very little to do with Lestat or any of our other characters). Great (/s).
The cast was FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES to make this script work. I honestly feel bad for them.
I feel like this episode kind of wasted the potential that was Lestat being in conversation with his makers and fledglings. I liked the first few scenes at the long table, but it quickly descended into more masturbatory "Lestat is the best of all time" stuff that has absolutely plagued this season. The final scene dissolving into Lestat being like "you know what? I AM pretty great!" was both cringe and infuriating. It would be one thing to just have him stand up to Magnus and Gabi, but once Louis is in the room, I don't want to see Lestat hype up how great and powerful he is. Also, Claudia not being in the room was a HUGE missed opportunity and honestly infuriating after she read Louis for filth in the last episode with relatively little heat for Lestat. Nah, let's just have Antoinette and TC quip for a while. That's much more interesting (/s).
I complained about Armand and Daniel's motivations for decapitating Lestat and Louis in the last episode being unclear but was open to the idea that this episode might explain that they were trying to prevent the Great Conversion (which Lestat is apparently kind of the face of the movement for) but this... dear god.
Everything to do with Louis in this episode (and the whole season tbh) went beyond horror and was deeply disturbing. I'm tired of Louis being horrifically physically brutalized every season and I'm ESPECIALLY tired of him being forced to apologize to the people that brutalized him (i.e., Lestat and Armand).
Armand being this deeply evil mastermind that manufactured the whole Regina thing was frankly ridiculous. It's cartoonishly evil. And it's not that I don't think that Armand wouldn't be a little resentful of Louis for leaving him or that he wouldn't do something evil and fucked up to punish him or manipulate him back into his arms... but Armand wants to just torture an apology out of Louis in the most disgusting and grotesque possible fashion after Armand has been absent for the entire season? Am I supposed to feel for Armand when he finally gets that apology? It's hard to tell when Louis is given pretty much no sympathy for the ways that Armand manipulated and abused him, much less the situation he's currently in?
I knew that Regina would end up being victimized at some point this season. That's really all I have to say about it. I'm extremely disappointed but I'm not surprised.
Lestat should've been the one getting tortured.
Did Daniel do anything this season other than bowl and be microaggressive? I really thought we'd have an arc about his transformational trauma, maybe even a bit of full-on denial... nope!
Paul showing up in the room of people Lestat killed... Lestat killed Paul confirmed??? Whatever. I'm too mad about "Paul" saying that Lestat loved Louis the way he needed to be or whatever. Yeah, Louis definitely needed to be cheated on for decades and lied to and manipulated and beaten and dropped from the sky.
I was open to the idea of Loustat reconciling in this season even after everything Lestat did to Louis but I'm fully off that train now. Lestat has effectively been absolved of any wrongdoing and his treatment of Louis has been romanticized to the point of being retconned and I can't stand it.
I'm trying to remember back to 2022 and how I felt after the first season of iwtv. That season definitely felt like the first half of a story and even ended on a (in my opinion, somewhat clunkily handled) twist/cliffhanger, but I don't remember feeling this profound dissatisfaction that I have here. TVL doesn't feel like the first act in a multi-act story (unfinished but somewhat satisfying on its own), it just feels underbaked and ends abruptly and without a real climax.
I Believe "The Failures" Framing Device was Added After the Season was Filmed
I don't have proof of this, someone on the writing team could disprove this, I am saying what I saw in the season:
The framing device of "The Failures" was probably written in late 2025 after initial negative feedback on the season from producers or the network, who did not understand what was happening in the show and demanded a fix. It required limited reshoots to incorporate, allowed the editors to heavily recut previously written sequences to incorporate it, cut down on elements they thought weren't working, and increase the elements they thought were working.
This is value-neutral on whether or not you liked the season or the voiceover. You'll probably pick up on my feelings on both along the way.
(I tried to spoiler tag this correctly, but fyi, this spoils E7)
Point One: So much stock footage.
The overwhelming majority of the voiceover in The Vampire Lestat is played over stock footage, clips from prior seasons, or b-roll. This is not the way a voiceover is traditionally written into a script; for a good example of a traditional voiceover, see the first two seasons of Interview with the Vampire. The voiceover transitions us between scenes or is given actual sequences, longer shots, directly related to what we are hearing, to play over.
"He was in love with my city." We see them in New Orleans. "Lestat had disappeared," and we see the start of a scene of him trying to apologize. This isn't random footage, this is filmed intentionally.
There is an absurd amount of stock footage and season one and two footage being played over voiceover in this season. Several voiceover sequences include no footage we have a reason to think was specifically for this season at all.
Look at the lead in to the strip club scene in episode two: greenscreen + stock footage (likely filmed for the original scene transition), stock footage, b-roll insert:
The opening of episode four: stock footage, b-roll, footage from a prior episode that is unrelated to this sequence:
Is using stock footage or b-roll or reusing footage from prior episodes inherently bad or inherently a sign that the voiceover was added later? I'm not saying that, and don't accuse me of saying that. Stock footage is a normal tool, you film b-roll to use it.
But when a giant proportion of the voiceover is only over sequences like this, I wonder if the editors are having to create visuals for something that wasn't planned when the show was filmed, especially because:
Point Two: The transitions in and out of the flashbacks are filmed as if there wasn't originally a voiceover there.
Here is an extremely common piece of film grammar for a flashback with no voiceover, demonstrated in season one: a character goes to sleep, crossfade into a flashback, wakes up. We don't need a voiceover here because the language is easy to understand. He's falling asleep? People dream about the past sometimes. He's waking up? He was dreaming about the past and is now awake. They're both common transitions between flashbacks and a frame story.
You actually only need one of the two: the transition out in this example is just an additional moment for the Armand reveal to sink in. Especially if it's a natural edit break, (or, let's say, the beginning of an episode?) you only need one device to justify a flashback.
So it's really interesting that The Vampire Lestat, which has a voiceover as a conceit throughout, uses so many other traditional flashback transitions for scenes from Lestat's POV, almost as though the writers needed to justify why we are seeing the flashbacks in a version of the script that didn't have a voiceover framing device for Lestat.
Why does he need to tell us he's going into a flashback in a voiceover (over stock footage) if we're going to see him wake up from having remembered this in a dream afterwards?
Why do we have multiple framing devices to allow him to give us voiceover within the tour framing device? Why is he telling us that he told someone else a story as a pretext to tell it?
There is nothing wrong with using multiple ways to get in and out of flashbacks- but this season uses a lot. In my example from season one, there is a simple reason we can't use the main one we've been using: Daniel is not a POV character, so to see inside of his POV, we need a different device.
All of these flashbacks are meant to be Lestat. If you think about what he is telling us on The Failures, he... needs to explain his mom and then he woke up? He talked to Daniel about Nicki and then told the listener, about Nicki in a fragmented way at that time? He's telling us about how he was attacked by Akasha, but really needed to get back to how his band was bad, and then remembered he needed to tell us the rest of that story when he was telling it to the band? Huh?
To be honest: there isn't really a flashback I can identify where the voiceover is required at all.
Point Three: Style and substance.
If the voiceover was always intended, you would expect it to serve a function within the show, give us information we can't get anywhere else, motivate editing choices, etc. Here is a challenge: watch any sequence with significant voiceover and think about the information you got from it. Then, within the next ten minutes of the same episode, see if there is anything the voiceover told you that they didn't almost immediately tell you again with either visuals or dialogue giving you identical information.
Almost all of the voiceover could be removed and leave the audience with the exact same amount of understanding or confusion as they would have with it.
Example from episode four:
The Voiceover: "It can grind you down or deliver you home. And which would it be for our Marginal Mystery Tour back in the bosom of the nifty 50 United States? Digitally, there was some optimism, as somewhere between the P Diddler and Chipotle's new Adobo Ranch sauce, The Vampire Lestat found itself momentarily trending. Cell phone footage of yours truly went viral as both irrefutable proof of the cloud gift and deepfake Antichrist."
In the framing device, Lestat is told by Christine that a major investor wants to talk to him. In the next scene where the band's popularity is relevant, twenty minutes later, the investor says to Lestat:
Andrew: "I didn't know you were alive three days ago. I watched the video. Did a deep dive on the band, the Beautiful Unwell, flew here to Albany, playing "Long Face,". "Plastic Fiends," and "Loneliness" in a loop on my Beats. Saw the show. It's impossible. Saw the fans waiting outside the hotel. Impossible. I saw the protesters outside the hotel. Impossible."
Seems like we'd have been able to figure out the band went viral from a levitation video that seems impossible.
If it's not giving us a lot of new information, then it could be mostly a stylistic choice: It is a stylistic choice. It's one they likely added afterwards. Deciding on the season was chaotic, and making it more stylistically chaotic by including the voiceover and re-edit made it easier to fix the problem they were trying to fix.
It's especially obvious because the episode that feels the most like the prior seasons, episode six, is the one with the least voiceover. Probably because we are watching something pretty similar to what they thought the episode was when they filmed it.
And I just got to put this out there: re-cutting your project to stylize it to make room for a voiceover you need to include because no one understands the narrative as you filmed it with the footage you have was a literal running joke among my cohort in film school.
It doesn't say anything about how the original scripts looked. I used to put a lot of badly color-balanced footage in black-and-white as a "stylistic choice" in high school, too.
Point Four: The voiceover ruins plot points that were meant to be shocking.
Why do you behead a character at the end of an episode? So the audience is shocked and has to wait until next week to see what the outcome of that character being beheaded is.
That really doesn't work if that character is doing an omniscient voiceover we know is in the future.
"Do you think we're really meant to think they're dead?" No, I don't think the users of Tumblr.com the website are meant to think he's dead; I think a random person who doesn't use Tumblr is supposed to argue with their spouse after the episode ends about whether or not he's dead. That's why you do things like this!
You don't fakeout kill a character we know from earlier this same episode isn't dead, because it doesn't mean anything.
This one is more of a broad swing of a theory and assumes they did some fairly significant re-edits to move reveals around, but I also don't think we're supposed to know that Gabriella is his mom by the end of episode one, because they even lampshade how this isn't a good reveal.
If this is true, I don't know when we would have learned about who Gabriella is. I assume it would have been in episode two, because we have to know she's his mother from the flashbacks.
A plausible idea is that the actual kiss there was either from a re-shoot or filmed as an option they could use or not use: after this makeout scene, there is a lot of dialogue in the next episode which could have been planned as a "are they?? are they not??" about the nature of their relationship.
Given this conversation in episode two, it still wouldn't have been ambiguous at all, so it would have been a bad writing choice to assume the audience had any doubt here. Then again, we're talking about fucking Gabriella on The Vampire Lestat, so I'm not assuming a choice being really stupid rules it out as something they were trying to do.
They spent so much of this season on the shocking reveal that Lestat is fucking his mom; it's information we get in the form of a reveal like four times, and then the voiceover adds even more.
Guys... I think there might be incest in this show? Not sure.
It's such a huge element that keeps giving us the same information at the same level of detail, without a twist, without a recontextualization, that I have to entertain the possibility that they decided to make it... more significant later in the process? That's a terrible thought.
Point Five: The way book references are used is really weird.
This adaptation is not made for people with an encyclopedic knowledge of The Vampire Chronicles. As one of those people, I feel comfortable saying this, but also because that's not a market you can sell a show to, because it's too small. Seasons one and two mostly knew that, the Armand reveal being the big exception. The scenes we are watching that aren't voiceover mostly know that.
The way the show deploys book references in the voiceover is really weird.
We know there was a writer's assistant (if you see this: congrats, holy shit, that's a hell of a break, genuinely; also, if I am 100% wrong here and you know, that's hilarious) checking the books for information. I'm not naming them because people are being rude to them about the season (don't do that), but they mentioned this being something they did:
That's a real detail the show gets right: in episode six, at least a lot of the fake names we see are real aliases from the books! It stands out to me, then, that one of the biggest total book-niche fun fact blunders is in the voiceover:
"Picture my five dead siblings, Aristide, Marie, Jules, unbaptized, and Faustin, garden gnomes guarding the undulating domestic bliss of our great hall."
People have mentioned this a lot already, but if you don't know, from Blackwood Farm, Lestat's brother's initials are L-E-S-T-A-T:
"The name [Lestat is] compounded of the first letter of each of my six older brothersâ names."
That isn't proof of anything; it's just interesting to me. It's almost like the voiceover was written after the writers' room was dismissed, when there wasn't someone whose job it was to look up these things anymore. Huh.
It's also very strange to me what level the voiceover thinks you are supposed to be familiar with the books, in comparison to how much they are changing from them.
The show starts with a voiceover that assumes you are familiar with the plot of The Queen of the Damned.
"And I am not saying that the attempted extinction of the Y chromosome across the continents was all my fault."
And in one of the two scenes actually shot in the framing device, we get a shot that assumes you've read The Tale of the Body Thief?
These aren't Easter Eggs- well, they're not good Easter Eggs. Eh, I'll give you the Raglan one if you argue with me.
These are real pieces of information that it's extremely odd to expect some of the audience to know nothing whatsoever about, and others to understand completely. Usually, an adaptation is a different experience if you know the source material or don't, but not on the level of making or not making sense. It's kind of like they want you, when you Google what is happening, to find out the plots of these books via something like The Vampire Chronicles Wiki.
What these references all do is serve an extremely specific function: telling a general audience, if they Google it, that a plot is coming.
I wonder why they felt the need to add a voiceover to clarify that.
Point Six: Episode Seven, The Failures.
I suspected a lot of what I said above from episode one on, and was basically certain from the flashbacks in episode two. I didn't know why they did this exactly, but it explained a lot of what felt odd about the editing.
I figured it was probably a logic issue: something about the show was too vague, and people didn't understand what was happening, so they added the voiceover. It would make sense since a lot of it felt vague even with the voiceover. Maybe the logic issue was caused by something else: maybe something experimental they tried in the script, like more of the "long table," really didn't come across at all on screen; maybe a story element looked or just came across really bad, and they had to cut down on the amount it was shown and fill in the gaps; maybe a block of filming got cut or rushed and they didn't get enough footage.
I don't think I guessed that the logic issue of the season was going to be that the last episode just randomly ends mid-scene with no resolution of any storyline whatsover?
I would love to know what on earth was originally scripted to be the end of season three. Did they write the ending from the book and find out late in the game they couldn't afford to film it? Did they film it, and something was horribly wrong with it? Did they write an eighth episode, only get greenlit for seven, and not rearrange the season at all?
I mean, I can't imagine someone was like, "yep, that's a good way to end a season of television. The people will love that!" Genuinely. For real. I don't think someone said that!
People who know the truth can prove me wrong: send me the teleplays and I'll believe you. Otherwise:
The Vampire Lestat's framing device The Failures, and potentially other significant elements of the season, are a result of significant rework because the season as originally intended was not deemed acceptable to air, possibly because they didn't actually film the originally intended conclusion.
-and if I'm right, I want Mark Johnson to give me a two-year option on the rights to Blackwood Farm for $1 as payment for my suffering.
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Trust is a big thing for both Alec and Isabelle, since they grew up so isolated and live in such a dangerous situation. They need to trust each other unconditionally, because for so much of their lives they had nothing else to rely upon. Throughout TMI this trust is what keeps them both alive, and in this passage we see a clear example of how Alec's trust in his sister has saved his life. Despite their sharp edges, they're both always protecting each other in every way they can. Alec fits the classic trope of the overprotective older brother who picks up after his siblings' messes, and even though Isabelle is rather careless with her own safety she's always diligent in protecting Alec's heart. She keeps him safe emotionally by making it clear that she accepts him and by giving him the space he needs, in the same way that he protects her physically by watching her back with his bow and arrow. The two of them balance each other out, and thanks to their collective effort they both make it to adulthood and mature into (relatively) well-adjusted people who can keep themselves alive. Without Alec, Isabelle is killed by demons. Without Isabelle, Alec succumbs to depression and despair. Together, they save the world and ride off into the sunset with their awesome boyfriends.
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genuinely buffy not being able to say i love you to spike until the end is real as fuck. saying i love you to buffy? just a symptom of being around her. of course you love buffy. she's buffy. it's mildly shocking because spike wanted her dead, but you're also like, ive had middle school friendships like that. and it's inevitable. saying i love you to spike? sickness. disease. you must really mean it fuck
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