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contest is over, i can post it! yaay! (i know, art sucks, but still, yaay) pic is based on my own prompt for @jillbert (i’m still interested *_*) XD Aaand….amazing @dreamshapers-universe wrote the awesome fic on that prompt too!!! OMG!

notyourtag

If Abby is a prop for HBert, she doesn’t deserve to be dragged like this.

#get out of our tags #((yknow when you thought we were dead? NOPE))

itsnontanblog

Holtzbert is real

notyourtag

I’m gonna need you to untag Abby and Patty right fuckin’ now, thanks.

#notyourtag #get out of our tags #just when u thought it was safe

i know i'm late to the game but i'm scrolling through the toltzmann tag and there's absolutely no holtzbert!!!! i ship like every possible pairing in ghostbusters but if i go in a specific tag i don't wanna see a different ship in there so i seriously appreciate this blog's efforts so much!!!! bless your soul for doing this <3

I mean, this blog is barely active anymore cos the fandom has definitely quietened down; but we’re stickin’ around to keep the tags neat and orderly.

Also, can I just give a massive thanks to all the Holtzbert shippers who have kept things in the relevant tags, after the huge shitstorm that started this whole blog in the first place; it’s only been made possible that we’re dormant because of the community coming together as a whole and being respectful!

Go us!

#holtzbert #(im tagging this because GO YOU GUYS! GO EVERYONE IN THE GB16 FANDOM! IT TOOK A YEAR BUT WE GOT HERE! AYYYY!)#ghostbusters ships #question

notyourtag

FRIENDLY REMINDER

IF THEY’RE NOT PART OF THE SHIP, DON’T TAG THEM. THANK YOU!

notyourtag

Apparently we’re not over this stuff. Come on, y’all, it has been a year!

If the characters you’re tagging aren’t relevant (so they’re there, but you’re using them as props) don’t. fucking. tag. them.

#holtzbert #abby yates #erin gilbert #jillian holtzmann #patty tolan #ghostbusters #ghostbusters 2016

GET THIS SHIT OUT OF OUR TAGS

Abby: How about you stop fantasizing about her and talk to her!

Erin: I'm not fantasizing!

Holtzmann: Hey guys.

Erin: I love you too.

Holtzmann: What?

Erin: What?

#hey we're still active and we're still pissed @ u fucks for doing this

FRIENDLY REMINDER

IF THEY’RE NOT PART OF THE SHIP, DON’T TAG THEM. THANK YOU!

#holtzbert #yatesmann #yateslan #yatesbert #toltzmann #ghostbusters #ghostbusters 2016 #jillian holtzmann #erin gilbert #abby yates #patty tolan

inactive10292

Ok, so I don’t know if this is Paul Feig’s directing, Melissa McCarthy’s acting/shipping holtzbert or if it was just an accident but I needed this

notyourtag

PLEASE DON’T TAG ABBY WHEN SHE’S AN ACCESSORY FOR YOUR SHIP THAT DOESNT INVOLVE HER THANK U!

#WHY HAVENT WE MOVED PAST THIS YET #SMFH

HI WHEN YR USING PATTY/ABBY AS PROPS COULD YOU LIKE NOT TAG THEM IN YR HOLTZBERT BULLSH8T THANK YOU!

Patty: *walks into the firehouse*

Patty: Why are you naked

Holtz: I don't have any clothes.

Patty: yes you do you have shirts, pants, shorts, hi Erin, socks...

#notyourtag #i thought we were over this #smh

THIS DOESNT BELONG IN THE ABBY OR PATTY TAGS THANKS!!!!!

Erin: why are you two looking at me like that.

Abby: ...

Patty: ... really?

Holtz *comes rushing in, plucks her glasses off of Erin's head*: oh man I forgot I left these babies here earlier! Thanks hot stuff!

#notyourtag #get out #smfh #hs litmus test

S T O P T H I S F F S

Erin: why are you two looking at me like that.

Abby: ...

Patty: ... really?

Holtz *comes rushing in, plucks her glasses off of Erin's head*: oh man I forgot I left these babies here earlier! Thanks hot stuff!

holtzbertlightspecial

One of the more ridiculous things I’ve seen is that Holtzbert and it’s shippers is/are rooted in racism and fatphobia. Like, no? For me personally going into the movie, I saw the spark between Holtz and Erin. Was it the focus of the movie? Nope. Not at all. But I saw it and I dunno. One day I found some cute Holtzbert fanart and I thought about how cute they’d be together. So that’s how I became a Holtzbert shipper.

Fatphobia? Nope. Nothing wrong with Erin or Patty or Holtz being shipped with Abby, certainly not for her weight. There’s way more important things to talk about in the movie, and they never once make any sort of crack or reference or mention of her weight.

Racism? Nope. That’s probably the most offensive belief, that not shipping Holtz or whoever with Patty means we’re being racist.

You know, as much shit as the movie got, to the point that we lost money and 90% likely won’t get a sequel, you’d think the fandom of the movie and the shippers would be friendlier to each other. And especially not hurl insults like assuming other shippers are racist because they don’t ship a character with Patty.

As for fan fic cliches and inaccuracies, yeah, I see those a lot. I personally try to write around them. I write Holtz as plenty self conscious and socially awkward a lot of the time. I write Patty as the cool-headed walking fortune cookie of wisdom. I write Abby as the understanding, smart and honest team mom. And I write Erin as slowly coming out of her shell, and that even Holtz’s love can’t fix it overnight. Fan fic cliches are something to avoid for sure.

I dunno. Yeesh. As much hate as the movie got, I’d figure the fandom would be more inclusive than this. And once again, shipping Holtzbert doesn’t automatically make you fatphobic or racist. That kind of thinking is what hurt the movie’s performance. There’s nothing wrong with shipping whoever. It’s not even a matter of agreeing with the ship. I don’t ship Polybusters, but i don’t think something is wrong with it.

It doesn’t matter which ship is the most popular either. It just happened to be Holtzbert and could easily have been one of the other ships. Geez.

I also love the “Holtzb*rt” spelling thing going around, that’s trying to equate it to a slur or whatever. Wow. You call Holtzbert shippers racist and prejudiced but you’re trying to make up a slur? Yikes. Grow up, people. Ship who you want to ship, stop ragging people who ship something different. The amount of hate is really terrible and heartbreaking to see considering how much irrational hate the movie as a whole got.

I have no problems with any of the ships from the movie. I just happen to have chosen Holtzbert as my ship. Not a big deal.

kirst003

Ok cool, so I really wasn’t going to bother too much with this, because it’s all been addressed around the place at least a dozen times. But it was in the ship tags and there are certainly aspects of this which need to be touched on here.

1. You’ll find, if you look at the more wordy posts, that any commentary about holtzbert as being “rooted in racism and fatphobia” is actually not an accusation, but actually started out as a discussion on what representation past/present/future does to how we see and react to characters. The people who truly want to have a conversation about this would point out that media through the years do not portray poc or the overweight as desirable love interests (this is clearly not a hard and fast rule) but generally if you are watching a movie that has a couple more often than not it is with an attractive white couple (and 99% of the time they are straight). So while no one is accusing anyone of being racist or fatphobic we are trying to point out that as a society we have essentially been conditioned to not see that as a reasonable option in the movies/tv we are watching. That’s not to say we act that way in real life, not at all. But stereotypes do exist. Remember this is why we fight so hard for more/better representation.

2. Fandom is fandom, and people are horrible, both sides of the fence. This is not solely on non holtzbert shippers, in the same way it is not solely on holtzbert shippers. You are naive if you think this is not happening in other fandoms. Claiming that because non holtzbert shippers have brought up racism and fatphobia within the fandom as the reason the movie didn’t perform as well is ridiculous. These things are not connected in the slightest. This is a claim solely made to cause trouble. What happens in fandom is for the most part contained within fandom. I think you’ll find a few petty disagreements between fans did not hinder ticket sales, nor did change people’s decision to purchase the movie or merchandise.

3. I wonder if you’ve ever considered that holtzb*rt being used in place of holtzbert is not a slur, that again is a baseless accusation. Now if you’ve been following any of the fandom drama you would know well by now (unless like many holtzbert shippers you’ve stuck your head in the sand) that tagging and having posts show up in tags that aren’t relevant has been an ongoing issue. Now see how tumblr works is your first 5 tags sort the posts into those tags, if you follow a tag tumblr will check all the tags used. Now search on the other hand, search will look for the word anywhere in the post, the text, the tags, the url. So maybe MAYBE before you go making accusations about us trying to make that a slur you consider that we’re trying to keep any of our commentary and gripes about holtzbert out of your searches. It’s called consideration (it’s a big word I know).

I suggest you go back and have a look through some of the posts around, the ones which have really addressed the issues in fandom - feel free to contact me for some recommendations if you actually want to be informed, if not pull your head in. Because straight up, you’ve tagged everyone, ships and characters. What were you hoping to achieve? Get your message out, your accusations on non holtzbert shippers, based on nothing. Ok you have a problem with the non holtzbert shippers that’s one thing. But why have you included it in the character tags? There are certainly people in the fandom who choose not to ship, but love the characters. You are inflicting your negative message onto them.

holtzbertlightspecial

Actually no, I don’t feel like I’m being attacked.

When I said that line of thinking is what hurt the movie’s performance, I meant that automatically assuming someone is ____ for not liking ______ is what hurt us. From the looks of things, Paul Feig responded to a lot of genuine critics of the first trailer by calling them misogynists and all. I didn’t care for the first trailer (and wasn’t even a Ghostbusters fan period when it came out), but that doesn’t automatically make me a misogynist for not liking it. Accusing every member of the audience who didn’t like the trailer, even if they genuinely just didn’t think it was funny, turned people off big time, gave us bad publicity, and led us to a weak performance even though the Rotten Tomatoes score was the same as Jurassic World, which made $1.5 billion (and the RT consensus was the same, that it stood on its own as good but paled next to the original).

In summary, assuming everyone is ____ because they don’t like ____ is a line of thinking that absolutely was a part of what hurt the movie. It’s like when Obi-Wan said “only a Sith deals in absolutes”. The statement is so hypocritical that no wonder Anakin attacked him and couldn’t be calmed down.

And I certainly never meant to say Holtzbert shippers never said or did anything wrong. But I wasn’t talking about them, simple as that.

There’s nothing wrong with shipping any of the ships. I see no problem with any of them. And I don’t see Holtzbert as being rooted in racism or fatphobia. I certainly see and feel the dismay over characters like Abby and Patty not being seen as desirable love interests in the media. But I don’t contribute to that by shipping Holtzbert.

Of course fandoms are messy. Just look at the movie and all the shit that went down, like that piece of utter shit Milo that FINALLY got his comeuppance this past week (thank you Bill Maher for helping expose him and lead to his fall). Look at the reception to the Star Wars prequels. The Bronies. And now the Ghostbusters fandom. But shouldn’t we, in the light of all the horrible shit this movie got, be more accepting of other parts of our small fandom? If Holtzbert shippers aren’t being accepting and kind, shouldn’t non-Holtzbert shippers try to be to pick up the slack and not do crap like “Holtzb*rt”?

And yes, posting my frustration and being upset online means I’m out to cause trouble. Please. Everyone is welcome to respond or ignore my post. No skin off my nose

kirst003

I’m not quite sure you grasped my point, I said no one is accusing everyone of being racist or fatphobic. Certainly there might be some that are. Who knows, I certainly haven’t interacted with every person in the fandom. But with regards to media and how we view characters it is often with a racist or fatphobic lens even if that is far removed from how we are as human beings. Raising that as a general issue is not an attack on the fandom. Questions were and are always asked especially when there are extremely large ships vs smaller ones, what makes one ship so significantly larger than the other.

The minority should not have to be the one to bend. Why are we not allowed to be frustrated in fandom. We are trying to keep that within our own circles. How is using an alternate tag which keeps our comments away from shippers who don’t want to see them an insult, a slur?

You address this solely to the non holtzbert shippers why? Because your own circle are beyond reproach? Please tell me why we should have to bow down and not complain? Would you prefer that we just keep our mouths shut and suffer in silence? Why does one side need to pick up the slack? Why can’t we all be better? You’ll find that in almost every post I’ve made regarding issues in the fandom I’ve addressed my complaints and concerns across the board. Because we are all imperfect and we all need a reminder to be considerate of others.

holtzbertlightspecial

I just said that I don’t think Holtzbert shippers are perfect and that I just wasn’t talking about them at the moment. Simple as that.

Baloney. Of course you can complain. Nobody is saying you can’t or that you have to bow down to anyone. All I’m saying is that if I saw someone being really bad, I would strive to do better and not make the same mistake. You’re right, everyone should strive to do better.

I don’t care who someone ships. That’s their call and it’s totally fine whoever they ship.

You mention the minority. Is it possible a part of all the ugliness is because of the fact Holtzbert became far and way the biggest ship?

kirst003

Oh good you just weren’t talking about them right now. How about you do. Do you plan on addressing the bullshit of their actions as a generalization or is that just reserved for the non holtzbert shippers?

Being considerate of others and calling out issues within the fandom is not making the same mistake. It is being better and trying to make the fandom better.

I think that holtzbert is huge and exists in its own bubble, and that bubble is encroaching in places that it doesn’t belong. That is the problem, well one of many. Another is the fact that a portion of the holtzbert fandom refuse to be decent and considerate to others when asked nicely. A problem is that even being the largest ship there is an obscene amount of anonymous hate being directed at non holtzbert shippers. A problem is that Patty and Abby are being completely disregarded or misused in the content being created for/by holtzbert shippers. These are some of the problems. Flip side, non holtzbert shippers are frustrated, and upset at constantly seeing things they don’t want to, being asked to just blacklist tags, they are constantly harassed for attacking when an issue is raised. As a result of this many have resorted to admittedly petty things, outright calling out of crappy things, and basically putting it loudly in the faces of everyone in the fandom with hopes of making a change. This may not be the ideal solution. But if people aren’t willing to initiate change within their own areas of fandom then someone has to.

holtzbertlightspecial

No, those are all valid problems. I’m simply dismayed that some people believe shipping Holtzbert means that they have fatphobia and racism ingrained in them. And it’s just as simple as that, I wasn’t talking about Holtzbert shippers at the time. Shrug.

kirst003

You’ll find what we’re saying is everyone has some level of stereotype/bias when it comes to different groups of people, whether that be racism, sexism, or fatphobia. You’d have to have grown up away from all forms of media to not. It’s what we do with that knowledge and how we choose to act that separates us as people (that is a general us, not fandom specific).

holtzbertlightspecial

Sure everyone has bias. But I’m not encouraging or championing sexism or racism or fatphobia by shipping Holtzbert. It just sounds silly.

amtrak12

The popularity of Holtzbert promotes racism and fatphobia and locks a lot of fans out of fandom. People going to Toltzmann shippers blogs and saying things like “your fic was good, but can you rewrite it with Holtzbert?” promotes racism. People - like you - attacking others when they call out the racist and fatohobic biases - promotes racism and fatphobia. People - like you - denying that these issues are racist and/or fatohobic in nature promotes racism and fatphobia.

To refer back to my link (http://amtrak12.tumblr.com/post/157216171725/if-you-stand-for-nothing-what-will-you-fall-for) not calling these issues out or denying that they exist contributes to the problem. You are part of the problem.

holtzbertlightspecial

I’m not attacking anyone. I’m disagreeing. And no, the popularity of Holtzbert doesn’t automatically promote racism and fatphobia. Those people asking people to rewrite Toltzmann ships? Absolutely. But shipping Holtzbert does not by any means automatically equal racism, or fatphobia. Obviously those two are big issues but shipping Holtzbert doesn’t automatically mean you promote them.

Truly, you’re as much of a part of the problem if you’re calling anybody who ships Holtzbert as someone who promotes racism and fatphobia.

amtrak12

You know I haven’t seen you post a single link in any of your arguments. Where are your sources for your claims? Where is your evidence? How am I supposed to think you’re anything but wrong when you don’t provide any sources for me to read?

holtzbertlightspecial

So I need a source for me to say what I think? I need a news article to prove I’m not uncomfortable with imagining Erin and Patty going down on each other? I need a source to prove that I’m not automatically racist or fatphobic by shipping Holtzbert?

Think what you want. I’ve already shot you down plenty of times, you’ve shot me down, I’ve agreed with you. But you’re still hell bent on this crusade that all Holtzbert shippers are automatically racist and fatphobic.

queen-padme-archive

Ok ok ok I’m jumping in cause I can’t stand this any longer. No one is saying all holtzbert shippers are automatically racist and fatphobic. It’s not that holtzbert shippers are racist and non-holtzbert shippers magically skipped the part growing up where we were exposed to constant media messages ingraining racist ideas into our subconscious. We were all exposed to that, and its best to accept that now before you come across looking like a righteous asshole.

Now to my point. Individually shipping Erin and Holtz is harmless. It’s the fact that 80% of the fandom exclusively ships the thin white women together, and at that point you have to wonder. What is so great about this ship? Like others have said, this movie is a femslash dream, there are endless shipping opportunities, so you would think that all things would be split equally right? BUT THEY ARENT. and it’s at that point you have to start questioning the societal reasons behind 80% of a fandom shipping one ship. IT IS THE COLLECTIVE OF HOLTZBERT SHIPPERS THAT DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACTS OF RACISM AND FATPHOBIA. It is only because the holtzbert shipper numbers are so large that we question what makes that ship so vastly different from the others in this movie. It just shows a collective slant towards fatphobic and racism. That is all we’re saying.

holtzbertlightspecial

I disagree. I do not think that a majority of shippers going for Holtzbert means they are slanting towards racism and fatphobia. Could there be Holtzbert shippers that are really like that? Absolutely. But I don’t think that Holtzbert being the most popular ship by a wide margin means there’s a racist, fatphobic slant. I think it’s the most popular because the majority of fans felt that the majority of Holtz’s flirting in the film went towards Erin. That’s all the trend says to me. I don’t assume racism just because one of them isn’t Patty, or fatphobia because one of them isn’t Abby.

mrsgilbertholtzmann

Also, a throw a point here. For me Holtzbert is so good, because I absolutely love Kristen Wiig and Kate McKinnon, and those two having a movie together and scenes that proof there may be something between them? Absolute dream.

I just don’t see any other couples there. It does not make me racist when I just can’t imagine that e.g. Patty and Erin would be a couple. You can’t force anyone to imagine other ships when someone just doesn’t want to, and does not believe they would exist. I personally think that there won’t be a canon, but also if it happens there won’t be any “gayness” in it, due to the studios.

Some of you can see the movie as a femslash with multiple ships to polybusters, but what I see is straight Patty, straight Abby (actually I canon that Abby had a boyfriend because her profile picture on YouTube was with a dude, if I remember right when they showed the computer screen), questioning Erin who prefers men and gay Holtzmann. This is my view of the movie and it’s as valid as everyone’s is. What bugs me is that often the argument towards us Holtzbert shippers is that we can’t imagine other ships and/or ship to thin, white females. Sure. Can be, but to me it’s just the chemistry and the way I saw the movie and the way I saw the characters.

notyourtag

@mrsgilbertholtzmann and @holtzbertlightspecial, I invite you, without further ado, to read the following;

http://sn0wghost.tumblr.com/post/157619819123/right-im-not-saying-this-is-equatable-at-all-and

Just do me a favour. Give it a glance, at the very least. And perhaps, if you see fit; take some time to reflect. If you come away from it feeling the exact same, then so be it. But it will not hurt you one single bit to do some self-evaluation.

No one is outright attacking, or even accusing, you of being racist or fatphobic. What they’re asking of you is that you take a more than superficial look at why you completely erase Abby and Patty out of any potentially romantic relationship. (The bs of off-screen romance with straight boys doesn’t count, sorry.)

I’m not going to even bother getting into the bullshit that is “I HC someone who literally makes a noise/face of disgust at Chris Hemsworth who everyone else is drooling over as straight and not gay or at the very least aro/ace” because oh boy, your words are dripping in subconscious bias; and it’s buried so fucking deep you don’t even realise!

Please, do us all a favour, and, to quote the King of Pop, start with the (wo)man in the mirror.

#fucking hell #yall are so fucking ridiculous!#STOP IT.#STOP IT STOP IT #long post #long text post #text post

actualsunshinepattytolan

Patty Tolan and Abby Yates Appreciation Weeks!

Are you sick of seeing irrelevant or horrifying posts that completely erase two of our favorite ladies? Have you had to unfollow your favorite character’s tag because it was too disheartening? Are you fed up with Patty and Abby getting treated like $h*t by fandom? THEN THIS EVENT IS FOR YOU!

When: February 25 - March 11

What: post headcanons, meta, gifsets, photosets, fan art, fan fic, fan vids, fan mixes, fic recs, favorite quotes, favorite moments, just shout I LOVE PATTY TOLAN or I LOVE ABBY YATES from your rooftop – share whatever you want! The goal is simply to show our ladies some love <3

Who: YOU!!! and the character appreciation blogs @actualsunshinepattytolan and @abbygreates

Participation is obviously not mandatory. Participation everyday is not mandatory. Just post whatever you can, whenever you can. If you want to start early? Great! If you want to post only once for each character? Cool! You want to make five million posts every day for the rest of your life? FANTASTIC! Do whatever you want!

Afraid you can’t prepare anything in time? Fear not! The Abby and Patty blogs won’t be going away. They will continue to reblog your character adoration whenever you’re able to post. :)

Feel free to mention either @abbygreates or @actualsunshinepattytolan in your post. There’s also the Ghostbusters Appreciation Week tag that we’ll be checking, as well as braving the general Abby and Patty tags to track down stray posts. All* appreciation posts will be queued up and reblogged by the promoters.

* we say all but really we mean “all the posts we manage to find AND don’t perpetuate harmful stereotypes or tropes”. What counts as a harmful stereotype will be left up to the judgement of the promoters, but basically anything you’ve seen chattered about by Those People isn’t allowed. That’s the kind of stuff we’re trying to escape from thanks.

Need some inspiration? Consider these themes:

canon moment

a childhood event

favorite ship

family backstory

song you associate with them

future headcanon

your most burning question about this character

what do they have set as their phone’s background and lockscreen?

what’s something this character has changed their mind on?

thing about this character that makes you cry

who is this character’s celebrity crush?

Now let’s make the Patty and Abby tags actually focused on Patty and Abby again! \0/

#patty tolan #abby yates #ghostbusters #ghostbusters 2016