Unpopular Opinion: The MBTI community is the least toxic fandom ever.
(Like I've never seen any toxicity, only small arguments)
You probably haven't been here like 2 years ago then
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One Nice Bug Per Day
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Lint Roller? I Barely Know Her
he wasn't even looking at me and he found me

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Unpopular Opinion: The MBTI community is the least toxic fandom ever.
(Like I've never seen any toxicity, only small arguments)
You probably haven't been here like 2 years ago then
ENxP way of dealing with physical health issues:
Step 1: don't notice something is off for the longest time
Step 2: kinda notice but ignore
Step 3: panic, research, buy a ton of supplements, healthy food and probably also essential oils
Step 4: end up in hospital OR get kinda better and immediately forget about all your supplements and your healthy new diet
Return to step 1.
The Sexual Instinct
An Overview of Sx
The Sexual Instinct, above all, seeks stimulation, whether it be physical, mental emotional, etc. This, most of the time, manifests as a want; a need for someone, to be intimate with and to fulfill their inner desires, or “make them whole”.
When Sx finds someone, it knows it wants them, without hesitating to consider the consequences or background of the person. It wants unlimited connection and intimacy with that person, usually, but not necessarily in a sexual or romantic sense, and caters all their actions toward this person, e.g. making the first move in a relationship.
Some authors have sought to tame this Instinct with new names, such as Intimate or One-to-One, but any attempt at reworking the Instinct into something wholesome/spiritual/romantic misses the mark: the Sexual Instinct is an unbridled narcotic of wanting, untethered by ethics/morality.
The most common metaphor for Sx is a burning flame; a raging fire that keeps itself alive by seeking fuel to feed it. On the other hand, Sx can also be represented as rushing water; a river that seeks nothing more than to find its ocean, someone to lose itself into.
Health Levels
(impacts Sx dominants the most)
Healthy Sx
Advancing Relationships
When healthy, Sx can deepen and strengthen relationships and interpersonal bonds, and steadily ringing intimacy levels to greater and greater heights until satisfaction; like a tight-knit family. The Sx user is adequately stimulated, and confident and caring towards their loved ones and intimates. They have a natural magnetism which draws people in, and can control themselves well.
Average Sx
Fixation and Stimulation
The Sx Instinct starts to become (what it deems as) understimulated and dependent on others, whether it be their close friends or acquaintences, to supply it with energy and life, much like a vampire. Instead of deepening their bonds, the Sx user starts to form “fixations”, in which they not only want their person-of-choice’s love and attention, but their “soul” as well. This can be overwhelming for some, and can ironically drive people away with the intensity.
Unhealthy Sx
Obsession and Desperation
The Sx instinct becomes drastically understimulated and desperate for love and/or stimulation, and would go to extreme lengths to attain it. This could lead the Sx user down dangerous paths, such as drug abuse or promiscuity. They become an “adrenaline junkie”, and this attitude often puts off others and drives them away, and if the Sx user cannot find adequate stimulation to sate their desires, they will eventually sink into despair.
Sx-Specifics
Sx in sx/sp
The sx/sp will only *truly* care about those they are close to, and try to push for more and more intimate relationships between people they already know. The energy from this type is given a laser-focused control by the sp, and seeks stimulation, but in a relatively safe way. This stacking is more willing to be friendly or “fake” soc, in order to attract potential friends or intimates. They build upon the (often few) close relationships they already have; many sx/sps have fantasies of whisking away their loved ones to a secluded place where they can do whatever they want, undisturbed by the world.
Sx in sx/so
The sx/so will often seem like they are driven by pure, uninhibited sx, luring people in and trapping them, much like a Venus Flytrap. This stacking is more prone to dependency, bringing awkward intensity into a group, and dragging “fixations” into it. It waits to see whatever looks nice to grab onto, and will fixate until either the target or the sx/so is drained. Sx/so might look desperate to others. Their energy is akin to battering-rams, charging into relationships and breaking walls until they fall, only to get back up again and continue bashing.
Sx in so/sx
The so/sx will have a similar charm and magnetism to the sx/so, but is generally softer and friendlier, ready to take things more steadily instead of rushing headfirst into things. The so/sx will enter a group, and scatter interpersonal energy (Sx) to a more focused area, and form close bonds with their people of choice. However, it would take a while for them to put their sx relations as a priority, and even longer for them to admit it (more commonly in Fe users).
Sx in sp/sx
Sx in sp/sx seems to be weak and almost non-existent at first, since they themselves always come first. They will never put somebody else before their own needs, even if they’re their closest friend. Instead of bulding a castle with their close ones inside like the sx/sp, they build walls around themselves first, secretly hoping for someone to come in. However, this often puts people off becoming closer to them, leaving them alone.
Sx-Blindness
Sx-blinds have a far gentler approach to interpersonal relationships, and are sometimes unsure and cautious in approaching someone they are attracted to. When in a close relationship, they may have trouble or insecurity in showing enough intimacy, and tend to compensate for this through acts of service(so) or advice and stability (sp) for their loved ones and/or partners. Sx blinds also have the tendency to “compartmentalize” their relationships, seperating them and putting them into “boxes” (e.g. work acquaintences, online friends, real life friends, etc. are seperated).
Sx and Correlations to MBTI
Sx dominants are most commonly found in conventional extroverts, and people with strong Se and Fe, such as:
ESTP
ESFP
ISTP
ENFJ
ISFP
enneagram/mbti & dreams
I was just thinking & wondering if our enneagram/mbti type influences your dreaming style? I was talking with some friends & discovered we all have very different dreaming styles/highlights of our dreams, and couldn’t help but think that our type had a role in it.
would love to hear if anyone else believes it does/ your personal experience?
**for my mutuals, would also love to hear your input if you have time~~
@wandaswife @dulcetlips @galacticlust @shyconoclast @holy-panther
ENFP 4w3 sp/sx: I'm a lucid dreamer (tho not every night) and I heavily enjoy dreaming in general. Always first person, often not based on reality (lots of fantasy elements and crime happening, but often in places I know and people from my life play a role often). Nightmares are not common, but when they happen, they may very well influence me for a day or two.
Everyone says contraflow vs synflow is so easy to distinguish, but I don't think I've actually met any contraflows or I'm just dumb cause I don't get it
Easy way: does someone immediately change the vibes of a group once they’re in it? do they make others feel A) uncomfortable B) feel threatened somehow C) make themselves seem out of place? contraflow
Normal way of telling: does this person fulfill their secondary need by “expansion” (synflow) or “filtration” of others (contraflow)? When you look at the variant as a whole: do their instincts seem to synergestically “cooperate in tandem” or conflictingly “fluctuate its own order”? Are their motives consistent: do they align their needs in support of the first instinct OR do they have to pull away completely to “deal” and focus on their first?
To be synflow, you use the secondary to support the motives of the dominant instinct, it is “outside looking in”; an SP/so’s desire for stability synergistically works with finding a stable SO group to be affiliated with, furthering their SP goals. An SO/sx’s need to belong within other parts of people’s lives works with their eye for where all the SX attraction is. And an SX/sp’s need for aliveness or connection works with the SP capacity to establish order and connection with others.
Contraflow works in a reverse direction. It decides what to have first and then seeks it - “inside looking out”. Spending energy on the secondary doesn’t help with the first instinct – an SP/sx can’t use sx to secure MORE SP; an SX/so might network all they want but has to cut down for the sake of SX; an SO/sp has to isolate their own needs away from wanting to SO interact with others. Contraflows tend to see both needs as “separate” from each other and think their secondary is in the way of what they want, while secretly coveting the satisfaction of their secondary. So it’s really counterintuitive and makes no sense evolutionarily, right. And because of this filtering and “cutting corners” quality of contraflows, they will look distinctly like they’re overemphasizing their dom instinct and be edgy about it basically. An SP/sx will look “extremely” SP in comparison to SP/so, despite how they end up actually SPing in equal amounts, for example.
Using Fi arguments in your uni papers
i stole this idea from @berna-di-angelo . I present to you, my type: INFJ 7w6-8w7-4w3 SX/SO.
a fucking INFP 8w7w9 - 4w3 - 5w4 sx/sp
because I’m that special uwu
I got INTJ 4w3 - 6w7 - 8w9 sp/so.
Answer the test questions the opposite that you usually would to get the type of your evil long lost twin/doppelgänger
Mine’s an ESTJ 8w7 853 sp/sx apparently
6w5 so
that sounds awful
I got ESFJ 2w3 296 so/sx
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm glad I don't use Fe
Could you make a post about how someone could differentiate between Sp, So, and Sx blind in each type? Like a "If you're a 1, you're Sp blind if you do __ instead of __" or something like that? Please and thank you! :)
So this is simplified and everything, but here you go.
Sp 1 is self criticism, so 1 is projecting perfection outward, and sx 1 is external criticism.
An sx blind 1 won’t have that zealous element, an so blind 1 won’t have that mentorlike personality, and an sp blind 1 won’t be perfectionistic.
Sp 2 is seduction via a childlike demeanor, so 2 is seduction via helpfulness, and sx 2 is seduction through straight seduction.
Sx blind 2s won’t have the loverlike quality of 2s, so blind 2s won’t actually be helpful to others, and sp blind 2s won’t have an innocence to them.
Sp 3 are the workaholic aspect of 3s, so 3s are classic stereotypical 3s, and sx 3s embody a masculine or feminine ideal.
Sx blind 3s will be without “star power” NOTE: THESE 3s WILL NEVER AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT, so blind 3s will lack the ability to network and present, and sp blind 3s will lack any humility.
Sp 4s suffer pathologically by containing their feelings under a stoic facade, so 4s suffer by comparing themselves constantly to others with this shame and honor thing, and sx 4s suffer with emotional rawness and an aggressive stance towards others.
Sx blind 4s will lack the raw emotion that most 4s present, so blind 4s will not compare themselves to others, and sp blind 4s will not have any quiet stoicism to them and will make sure everyone knows their issues
Sp 5s withdraw from the world to a private space, so 5s serve in an informer role, and sx 5s horde secret or taboo information.
Sx blind 5s will have none of that mystery lovecraftian air to them, so blind 5s will have no filter for their haughty introversion, and sp blind 5s will be a complete mess trying to isolate themselves for research with no instinct for private research
Sp 6 is physical safety, so 6 is social stability, and sx 6 is attacking threats.
Sx blind 6s are fully invested in their fear with no aggressive resistance, so blind 6s reject trust in others, and sp blind 6s are anxious about safety and security with no skill for going on the defensive.
Sp 7 is about lifestyle, so 7 is about generosity and optimism, and sx 7 is about novelty and raw experience.
Sx blind 7s are without the stimulation a 7 feels, so blind 7s are without any impulse to give back to the world, and sp blind 7s are without an obsession with keeping their lifestyle in order.
Sp 8 is about pure survival, so 8 is about leadership over others, and sx 8 is about rebellion and eventual surrender to another.
Sx blind 8 is the most self controlled and unwilling to show weakness, so blind 8 has no filter for its aggression, and sp blind 8 has no strong instinct for survival
Sp 9 is about accumulating resources so it can remain stationary, so 9 is about making connections and being an active 9, and sx 9 is about a peaceful merging with another.
Sx blind 9 is without the instinct to find a companion for its passivity, so blind 9 is without the helpful instinct, and sp blind 9 is still lazy but without the instinct to remain stationary
So what are examples of 'look-worthy' things? 🤔
fellow fe users respond too
also this will be affected by variants… i don’t have soc+tert fe so my standards will probably be pretty different from other ppl. also disclaimer i have a bias against fi so that will affect what i say here
-’social tryharding’. again, this is especially due to my lack of soc? when an fi user with soc tries REALLY HARD. like REALLY HARD to be liked/paid attention to and who becomes cringeworthy real quick. usually three / fixes. i really dont get the value or reason for doing that + it lacks any fe charisma or understanding = wtf. my fellow soc blind fe friends irl will… know exactly what im talking about. it just looks really fucking dumb, and its cringe worthy in the sense that this fi user just DOESNT GET HOW DUMB THEY LOOK. tryharding always has the opposite intended effect!!! please stop soc 3 fi
-’ow the edge’. i’m edgy too, many fe users are. but it’s a SELF AWARE edge in the sense of… the ability to JOKE about how it comes across to people, rather than a self deprecating joke about edge, like fi often does. the self deprecating edge gets… really sad, actually. it makes things really awkward for everyone…
-just being not aware of… often, well, their volume actually. either volume in the literal sense of being loud, or the volume of te infodumping that sometimes happens. no one cares, jan. stop talking. worse the higher the te is. at least ti users can make their infodumping somewhat interesting to to others bc fe.
-not fucking shutting the fi up. anyone who knows anything mbti can see fi when it happens. there’s a time and place for it, and usually not where ‘look worthy’ fi people do it. ive seen this REALLY piss of high fe users in particular, for me it’s just irritating. it’s like the fi user doesnt care about what anyone else wants to say or do, but only wants to hear themselves talk about what THEY want to talk about and ONLY that with ZERO effort or awareness to… not do that. selfish and self absorbed fe users can do this, but you can tell they have a level of awareness about it.
-not being able to read the room. i get that reading the room comes pretty naturally to fe users…but i mean LITERALLY not even seeing that everyone is getting bored or annoyed. basically ignoring subtle gestures, hints, tones of voices etc that to any fe user would instantly signal that something’s wrong. the aforementioned self absorbed fe users often realize they’ve caused this shift in cohesion, and usually leave or attempt to rectify it… or try to further provoke it, thanks tert fe. there have actually been times some fi user has just NON STOP BLATHERED ON ABOUT SOMETHING and EVERYONE is responding with really disinterested ‘yeah’ and ‘hm’ at appropriate intervals… how the fuck do you people not pick up on that
How does the sp/sx stack work? Particularly the sp/sx 4?
The sp instinct takes full control. Boundary maintenance is everything. It gets to dictate where the boundaries are in every relationship. Paradoxically, because of the sx second and so last, the sp/sx will almost never make an effort to initiate a relationship or get closer to someone. They expect the other person to realize “we’re close now” because the sp/sx won’t push back when the other person tries to get closer.
Sp/sx 4 is a stoic 4 that keeps its emotional turmoil underneath the surface and suffers because of its stoicism, but a has a passionate and hostile streak.
So it’s come to my attention that for some people, differentiating low FE from (any) fi can be difficult. I really don’t know why since to me it’s quite obvious, but here’s a handy guide.
Get them to fight an ESFJ over something FE related, like manners. Manners are a good one. No, really. An enfj MIGHT work (but probably won’t because enfjs can admit to being wrong easier for some reason) but an ESFJ will definitely work and esfjs are way more common. And watch what happens.
Low FE arguments:
-“why should society value that?”
-“don’t you wonder why you/others value that?”
-“why?” (Every high ti user does this constantly and yes we know you all hate it.)
-“not everyone values what you value, lots of people value other things.”
-“manners are subjective. My friends/group/other family members don’t have a problem with what I do, but you seem to.”
-“other people would consider me quite polite, actually.” (Usually 100% not true)
-“have you noticed that you cause other people problems when you act like this? And you claim to care about other people?”
Fi arguments:
-“I don’t value that and I don’t feel the need to value that.”
-“why do you take pleasure in conformity?”
-“I decide what manners are and you don’t.” (Hello high te)
-[not responding as if it’s not even worth a response]
-“you shouldn’t value that.”
-“it’s useless/inefficient to care about that.”
What do you notice? Even low FE frames it in terms of others (even if they REALLY mean just themselves). Fi frames it in terms of itself, and how others feel/react/think is unimportant.
what types are easiest or hardest to manipulate?
Long and seriously edgy answer, so bear with me:
To begin: how do we define manipulation? The common definition is “influencing another person to do something”. But then asinine things like telling a joke (to elicit laughter) could be counted as manipulative. So for purposes of this answer my definition will be as follows:
Manipulation: influencing another person to do an action for ones self benefit and no regard to the beneficial effects on the other person, usually subversive, negative or sly in nature.
With that said: it… depends. There are strategies for manipulating everyone.
So the answer is: the hardest to manipulate would be a 1, 5 or 8 sp dom low Fi user. The easiest to manipulate would be a 2, 3, or 6 high fe sp blind. Most people fall somewhere in the middle of that scale. Let me explain:
First: fe vs Fi.
Fi is naturally insulated against being manipulated due to main manipulation tactics being fe based. You know… guilt tripping about how it will affect other people? Most Fi users are purposefully or accidentally oblivious to these tactics, unless their Fi values other people (discussed in variants below). TLDR of that is: it’s possible to use Fi’s sx or so values to manipulate it, but generic fe “HOW WHILST THE OTHERS FEEL/REACT” cognitive strategies are mostly useless on their own. You can, however, use the values of an Fi user against them— they tend to dislike hypocrisy and have a harder time seeing nuance in moral situations. Pointing out their hypocrisy is a great way to either get them to adjust their values, or adjust their behaviour. Origin point of judgement is the self, after all. They don’t want to go against their own subjective values.
Most fe users respond to typical manipulation tactics, though the response may not be the best. The higher the Fe, the more likely it is that it will work. Fe thinks in terms of others, right? That’s how Fe cognition works. Origin point of judgement is others. Others will 100% be factored into the behaviour of an Fe user, though this can be notably negative (like tert fe’s using other people’s problems and flaws against them for Funny Points or inf fe’s tendency to do that for More Logic Than Thou points or high fe using people, period). But when trying to manipulate an fe user, even if it doesn’t work, they WILL REALIZE what you’re doing (at least eventually if not immediately), and react accordingly, where Fi does not react accordingly— it acts on its own. The flash of realization in the eyes of an Fe user can be seen regardless of whether or not what you’re doing works. With Fi users? Decent chance it goes in one ear and out the other (enneagram provides nuance to this, discussed below). Fe users are just naturally attuned to both thinking this way, and paying attention to and sifting through information this way (F functions being judging functions). Fe can and will go against its own moral evaluations for the sake of others— and not always for reasons beneficial or selfless. an Fe user could make a “negative exception” and treat someone horribly with absolutely zero cognitive dissonance, where Fi users will experience at least some discomfort/cognitive dissonance. This is where fe users being “actors”, “fake”, “two faced”, “hypocrites”, etc comes from. Nothing is truly sacred… that’s why Fe doms are as threatening to people as they tend to be. They’re the definition of two faced, manipulative and unreliable. I say this with the utmost affection though— I love them, and they have a lot of positive traits too/I don’t personally see this behaviour as inherently bad (probably because I also have fe).
Enneagram time! Types naturally insulated against manipulation: 1, 8, 5, 7Types naturally vulnerable to it: heart triad, 9, 6
Ones: have such a set in steel value system that they often just aren’t hypocritical. Even the Fe doms are predictable and reliable (unless their 1 doesn’t value that, which is possible. Some ones value some stereotypically “evil” stuff tbh). It’s hard to use the values of a 1 against them because they are THAT well thought through. Ones are hyper critical of themselves enough, you can’t really say anything to a one that they haven’t thought of themselves already. The only way to manipulate a one is to try to pick at their conception of perfection, but for ones “perfection” is usually dependent on other factors(fe vs Fi, variants, tritype) that it honestly is just not worth trying to manipulate them for the most part. Avoid.
Twos and threes: I don’t really need to explain this, do I? Both are naturally people pleasing for different reasons, and the ways to manipulate both are obvious. They’re both pretty manipulative themselves, too. Behaviour is similar in this regard. Expect with complete certainty that, especially if they have fe, they’re manipulating you as much as you are them. Sorry twos and threes, but it’s the truth.
Fours: also inclined to vulnerability, but not for people reasons. For “the self” reasons. There emotionally sensitive, and playing on their weaknesses is a simple strategy. Sp 4 is notably harder, use their aux variant or just don’t bother. Or just accuse them of being shallow or ingenuine.
Fives and sevens: too withdrawn or busy to generally bother with. Usually not even worthwhile to attempt imo. Maybe drawing on the fives fear of incompetency? But even then, getting them to adjust to competency threats in a way that gets them to do something is almost as difficult as ennea 1. And sevens are… sevens.
Sixes: p and cp, using their anxieties and fears is either going to work or get you punched. It’s almost a roulette as to whether or not you’ll be effective.
Eights are a special case. No type is the most insulated against, yet simultaneously prone to, manipulation. Most if not all typical tactics are things eights are immune to, and low F eights? Especially EXTJ sp dom eights? Fucking forget it, dude. With one exception, of course. It’s the little known makes-sense-if-you-think-about-it thing: using their anger against them, or to further whatever it is you want. It’s very, very easy to piss off an eight. Sometimes nothing will come of it, sometimes you’ll get the results you want and then some. Just don’t try to control them, actively or subtly. Ever. Pick at their anger. Provoke them. If you need an eight angry for some reason, you’ve got your easiest target. Otherwise? No chance in hell. Oh, and if you do this? They’ll realize it eventually and you better move to another continent, pronto.
Nines: again, obvious reasons here. Easy to get them to do things to keep themselves and others on the same… vibration, so to speak.
As for variants, they’re more or less ways to get to someone. Sp doms are hardest to “get to”, since they still above all value the self. You can only really get to them materially or through their cognitive functions rather than trying to use others against them. Sx and so are value sets and strategies to use with those types, respectively. Don’t try to manipulate an sxsp by using their reputation, don’t try to influence an sosp using the myriad ways their connections to others function. Use your brain.
But now we must look cohesively. Would an sosp 3 infp be easier or harder to influence than a sxsp infj 2? An istj 8 spsx or an entj 1 sxsp? That’s up to each person to determine, and it’s possible to manipulate everyone using strategies above. It’s just easier with some types than others.
So that’s my answer. It’s really sort of a complex set of “how do these things work together” thing.
Reblog with ur enneagram + Mbti and what type of kid u were
I will start:
Isfp 9 - shy, clingy kid
With kid i meant like grade school btw. Idk if some of you didn’t understand it or not lol.
ENFP 4w3 - huge daydreamer who always argued with the teachers but also only was friends with the teachers, also the creepy kid who'd ask philosophical questions out of nowhere
I would like a moodboard. ENFP 4w3 487 sp/sx please
Posted!
ENFP | 4w3 | 487 | sp/sx
Song: Happy (Mother Mother)
Ask me if I’m happy What does it mean? I’ll tell you that I am if you tell me I’m dreaming Wake up in a place I’ve never been Wake up to a face I’ve never seen Wake up with the purest sense of being Wake up to a woman that isn’t screaming