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I've been off of Tumblr since the finale for tvl came out bc I needed to touch some grass bc I was very upset by the final episode. When I first watched it I enjoyed parts of it but the more I think about the Armand stuff the more upset I am. Before I get into it I think Assad and Jacob did a great job with what they were given and are the only reason the scene was watchable.
I think it is out of Armand's character to torture and demand an apology out of Louis. Particularly the apology part. I think you can argue for Armand being a vengeful person. He is very clearly underdeveloped emotionally. However, I just can't understand why Armand would demand an apology from Louis. Does he deserve an apology from him maybe But that's not the point. I don't think that Armand has the self-awareness to understand the levels of very subtle abuse that was in that relationship. Armand is somebody who struggles to see himself as a victim and constantly blames himself for the situations he ends up in. Now does he pull the victim card to manipulate people yes however, he knows that he's manipulating them he doesn't actually think of himself as a victim.
The biggest example of this is Maruis. Armand does not see himself as a victim of Marius. He consistently thinks of Marius as his savior not his abuser. They might be changing this for the show however, what they've given us so far seems like they're going on a similar path of him defending Marius. So I don't know why Armand would understand that He's a victim of Louis if he doesn't understand that he was a victim of Marius Who is very clearly an abuser!!
Did Louis treat Armand the best during the relationship not exactly But he doesn't even come close to the abuse that Armand faced with Marius!!what Louis does to Armand falls into him just being a horrible partner / A deeply traumatized person who is (mostly accidentally) hurting another deeply traumatized person.
On top of all the mischaracterization, the scene brutalizes Louis severely which is so fucked. (Before I go into this topic more I am a white person all of what I am saying has already been said by black people in this fandom!) The show has consistently brutalized Louis and Claudia compared to other characters. They are the center of most violent scenes in the show which is very upsetting and racist. And this is just another scene that perpetuates and exploits violence against black characters. Especially when you consider that we don't even see Lestat's severed head. We see practically no violence done to Lestat's body but we see a lot done to Louis.
This scene overall is racist, fucked up, out of character and has no build up which is just bad writing. It feels like the scene was done for shock value alone with very little consideration for the characters involved.
I really tried to give this season grace and I think it has some good parts but the finale truly ruined it.
doctors hate when you have a cursory question about any single chronic illness or pain but they also hate when you have any level of knowledge about anything medical ever. interesting
I need my weird alone time or I will explode
the reason i need the weirdo armand who blends drinks based on nothing but colour and feeds garbage disposals and makes weird home movies in the show is because as much as i talk about armand and the cycles of amadeo and marius they're like...the ultimate proof that he is not what anyone has tried to make him. he's not an eternal sex slave or child bride or cult leader or abusive figure. he tries to be all these things because they're how he experienced the world in his most formative years but at the end of the day he has a big heart and he wants to be loved and he wants to experience the world as it is and he wants to watch the same movie over and over again and he wants to protect those he cares about and he wants to ride jet skis and he wants to make a human boy coffee in the mornings and he wants to build a terrible consumerist island and and he wants to be a good father and
watching this post gain notes the past few days is a recession indicator
not only does “lestat doesn’t wanna talk about it” not work when the entire show relies on your character being willing to talk about their life it works even less when you remember that lestat is recording all of this shit WAAAYY into the future.. like he’s gone thru all the events of s3 plus presumably the events of s4 and he’s still unwilling to talk about nicki or armand or his time with louis when he’s reflecting on what led him to the almost-destruction of the fucking planet and knowing he’s saying all this in retrospect makes the unreliable narrator thing even worse because you’re telling me he’s woken up akasha and damn near destroyed the planet but still calls louis a whore and a cancerous jackal and a pimp who slit his throat in his narration with no sense or remorse or hesitation or regret? cause this is his future self telling all of this to us and we don’t get any indication he regrets speaking of him or thinking of him that way. and it makes the seance scene even worse!!! either lestat is still lying THIS FAR INTO THE FUTURE and saying claudia tore into louis calling him a nappy headed slave but praised lestat for getting his revenge on them or they completely butchered claudia’s character and her relationships with her caregivers for the sake of knocking louis down and uplifting lestat. again. like this season is so incoherent it’s crazy
why did they give louis and claudia sa traumas so they can relate it to lestat when armand was right there (not to mention how louis’ was a one off line and immediately brushed off). why did they make incestual/parental abuse a huge theme in the same season marius gets introduced and not expand upon that with marius and armand to show another interesting parallel between lestat and armand. why was armand not in the round table of characters who had significant relationships with lestat. why did they have lestat mock armand being a child sex slave in a concert and armand post revenge porn of lestat and his mother only to never expand upon the repercussions or the characters’ feelings about it except for lestat having a panic attack and getting consoled by louis. why did the one time someone acknowledge armand’s csa and slavery without making a quip about it have to be the result of armand brutally torturing someone he’s abused and being used as a mouthpiece for the writers’ antiblackness and victim-blaming rhetoric while the character who made a humiliating spectacle out of his being a child sex slave in a concert gets not even a confrontation about it. why do they not gaf about lesmand and armand for that matter so much that they badly fumbled what could’ve been the narrative foils of all time and clarity on why lestat and armand feel the way they do about it each other
omg it cracks me up everytime i see reductive posts going “they’re monsters, your mad about the monster show, where monstrous things happen.”
lol no, i think people are more upset by what they feel like is balant south asian and anti black racism on screen and in the writers room. they’re also upset by poor pacing, a poorer quality of writing and production as well as character assassination.
people are upset that a show they loved that tackled issues of race now seems hellbent glorifying and uplifting those issues. Merrick and her grandfather loving the racist bigot tom anderson and thinking he was funny. Daniel calling Louis “louisiana fried chicken.” Lestat calling Louis a “cancerous jackal.” The list goes on and on.
to take valid criticisms individuals hold for this season regarding its handling of race and reduce it to “not being able to handle the monsters being monsters.” Is so fucking obnoxious and insulting to all the reasonable gripes people have with this season. you enjoyed okay. but when other people are listing their reasons for disliking something you can either ignore entirely or take the actual time to understand their perspective instead of immediately getting on the defensive.

armand's first words to louis: "I will not harm you"
"and i never have"
watching s2 is like an entirely different show. what are they doing
Mentioning Louis was a pimp a million fucking times with no mention that Lestat MURDERED A SEX WORKER just because she she was a genuine friend to Louis and he wanted Louis all to himself.
Lestat was a john before that!!! and then bought the damn brothel I really can’t!!!
I’m going to try to make thoughts clear on these issues within TVL since there’s a lot of discourse right now:
“This season has a lot of racist, anti-black moments and would have benefitted from having black writers in the writers room who would have handled these issues way better.” I agree. This is genuine, undeniable criticism that identifies the core problem at hand and offers a clear solution, and I think hounding AMC about this benefits the series. Very clear and straightforward, not much to add here.
“Claudia would never say she hates Louis, likes Lestat more, and would never go that far to manipulate Louis into helping her, this is out of character.” That is literally exactly what she tells him in the book Merrick and this feels like an issue of cognitive dissonance between fanon and canon (which is a problem that happens in every fandom and is driven by the long wait time between seasons) The Regina plot line is also from Merrick, as it incorporates the part about Louis being magically seduced by Merrick (abeit in a fatherly way with Regina rather than the romantic plot in the book)
“Louis’ character arc is ruined forever and this season was character assassination.” Louis had one of the clearest character arcs in the season: he starts out as a shrewd capitalist who uses people but has a lot of guilt underneath > he tries to rectify that guilt by avenging Claudia > when that doesn’t work he tries to undo past mistakes by financially supporting Regina > Claudia gives him the reality check that nothing he’s done will undo what happened to her and it’s all been to make himself feel better > Louis reflects on his actions and selfishness > Louis apologizes to Armand for taking advantage of his trauma as a sex-slave during their companionship and saves Regina’s life where he couldn’t save Claudia’s. This is not character assassination, they are tying up loose ends with his character that the books never even bother addressing. I liked Louis before this season and I still like him now.
I also find it so odd that in a season with a clear underlying theme of women suffering under men (via Gabriella, Akasha, Claudia, and Regina) that people expect Louis of all people (a former pimp, which is a stand in for being a slave owner as he was in the books) to be coddled by the story and just let his past be swept under the rug because Lestat and Armand were shitty to him. Claudia does not want Louis’ apology, she wants nothing to do with him or Lestat. Allow Claudia to be mad at him, allow him to atone for his actions elsewhere. Let them be a morally gray vampires in the morally gray vampire show.
It is true racism in the writing bleeds into the overall story and it is not confined to the word choices. It is also true that fandoms are prone to both idealization and catastophizing. A show with black characters needs black writers. Saying this season ruined Louis and Claudia forever based on shit that canonically happens in the source material is super reductive to the both of them. Storylines on their own can be good and also be part of a problematic pattern. These two things do not conflict with one another.
with few exceptions we have only seen black characters graphically get brutalized. they had closeups of louis’s body and face after lestat tried to murder him showing the extent of what was done, we saw just how burned and disfigured he was after her suicide attempt, claudia’s death is one of the most graphic i’ve seen on any tv show, we got closeups of their ankles slashed and shots of louis being kicked in the head and claudia being shoved into a box of live rats by the coven members. the majority of louis’s scenes in episode 7 were of his decapitated head on a pike, forced to look at his body as it flailed, begging to die, forced to apologize in something so close to a saw trap that it was bordering on copyright infringement while being painted as cruel and deserving of the abuse and then branded by armand.
we didn’t see any shots of lestat’s head in the bowling bag. we saw him burn, but it was portrayed as comical. we did not see bruce as he died, we did not see lestat get torn up by the wolves, we did not watch nicki die. in the majority of the scenes where a white character is injured, the action is cut away, out of frame, out of focus, mostly implied.
the extent of what we saw of the brutality of black characters now feels almost fetishistic. at the end of episode 105, lestat is floating in the air looking dreamy and louis is beaten to a pulp on the ground; episode 207, lestat is put together in a suit with his hair done and louis and claudia have been severely beaten. like, after this season, the rest of the show just looks weird.
not them just giving up
have you reopened the wound? will you reopen the wound? when will you reopen the wound?
💬 13 🔁 214 ❤️ 675 · with few exceptions we have only seen black characters graphically get brutalized. they had closeups of louis’s body a
Needed to put these in a full screenshot because this nails it. It’s not at all the content; it’s the narrative framing. This is the fourth time in which Louis is physically maimed or tortured by his significant other (firsthand or by a mob) to the extent of black and blue, visceral on-screen gore. To add insult to injury, this is the third time that this abuse is framed as retaliatory for Louis' actions.
Most of which, if you may have forgotten, DID NOT come with a trigger warning beforehand until massive backlash.
All of which have now become retroactively justified as “provoked” by Louis emotional manipulation or protective treatment of Claudia. We reframed the drop in the Trial as an attack that Louis verbally and physically escalated by fighting back and verbally taunting Lestat after Lestat physically attacked Claudia. We framed the torture of Louis in Episode 5 of Season 2 as Louis' learning not to test Armand's patience. (Again, the framing of good vs bad or proportionate is irrelevant, I'm questioning the framing of there being a lesson to be learned at all). The cast and the characters physically attack Louis to teach him a lesson.
This finale now marks the fourth and third, respectively.
And again, it is not about framing these abusive actions as right or wrong when, generally, Louis senselessly seems to be flogged with physical violence in pursuit of a “greater lesson” constantly. No other character has to learn their lesson; they simply ARE, and they can BE. Their evils are often tightly wound into their identities and flaunted as a matter of pride. To others, evil is a character trait that makes them interesting; to Louis, it's something he has to crawl out of or die trying. Even when his evils are significantly less or more sympathetic than the larger cast. (Again, no issue with this being part of Louis' self-flagellation, but the writers and showrunners themselves seem to uncritically target him with this framing IN REALITY without making this clear)
It’s a pattern FROM THE WRITERS (not the characters) for Louis to be physically abused in the pursuit of altering his thinking or treatment of others. This appears uncritically in this text, which is shockingly absent in the source material of the books.
Louis’ pain is intrinsically linked in the narrative to “Learning a lesson”, “humbling”, and apologizing. While others in the narrative, despite their wrongdoings, do not have their victimization framed as such. Again, my issue isn't with the presence of the violence, but rather its framing as Karmic justice while other vampires of all shades of morality do not seem to be punished narratively by the other characters. Their victimhood is seen as extraneous to their morality.
Abuse towards Armand and Lestat in their pasts is framed as something that cannot be justified. Rightfully so. The narrative, in fact, spends several episodes setting this up for Gabriella’s incestuous abuse. That is not to say it's always handled kindly and with sensitivity; I have many issues with how they handled the gratuitous on-screen incest of Gabistat and the way characters seem to throw Armand's abuse in his face.
However, there's this addiction to treating Louis' abuse as a simple cause and effect in interviews that is incredibly anti-victim and makes the gratuitous violence faced by Louis read as carceral. The same way one would justify beating their own children. In fact, it's a common Jim Crow-era trope. The insistence in both fiction and reality that a Black person must be threatened or punished with physical violence like a slave or an animal to learn their lesson. It's the same reasoning used to justify overpolicing, the same reasoning used to justify families beating black children. The idea that physical violence can flip a switch in one's brain to somehow see reason.
It is particularly a Black man’s pain that is framed in this manner. That Louis could do something different to avoid being beaten, kidnapped, or threatened with murder. The double standards become very clear. And not a single character has afforded him the luxury or comfort that the physical violence inflicted on him isn't warranted. The closest we got was Lestat's retelling of the drop scene in the Trial, where he admits it was a disproportionate act of violence for which he takes grave responsibility. (Again, this season tries to undercut it with the Akasha plotline, and it brings the carousel of what I'm writing here back around.)
And again, the writers are telling you to your face that there is a lesson to be learned here. And I have to ask, why hasn't anyone else been beaten to learn a lesson? And why hasn't a single character LEARNED a lesson other than Louis and Claudia?
And again, I love Louis whump; it is not the content. It’s the narrative framing and retreading of physical abuse that staggeringly resembles racialized violence that the narrative fails to address (or intentionally acts oblivious to). For example, the lack of actual content this season about the Trial and Lestat's canonical level of involvement. It’s jarring how often it laughs at or skims over the previously central instances of domestic violence and betrayal this season. We are not expected to care about the trial, the drop, the death of Claudia, or the implications of Armand truly playing mind games with Louis since prior to the interview. Those things are glossed over because the narrative is trying to tell you that, from S3 onward, we should no longer see these events as important. Because Louis "learned his lesson". And I do not feel like the same people who wrote the first two seasons are here with us now. Either because they got anti-victim brain worms or because they have left the team along the line.
I simply cannot believe in good faith that the same people who said, and I quote, "But I want to be careful to say that Louis will never be not believable as a victim," would turn around and write this finale and walk into the After Dark with a smile on their faces and genuine light in their souls. Especially not when you turn around and pretend like this was about Louis "learning" a lesson.
And I hate the fact that the toxicity of the Maitre/Arun dynamic is now overshadowed by the narrative trying to retroactively use it to torture a Black character physically for the fifth time in fewer than 25 episodes. Never wanting to discuss your own partner's trauma in depth because you feel guilty about your own past wrongdoings is such an addictive substance. In fact, they both do this to each other constantly to endure in this relationship. Armand with Claudia's death and Louis with his past in pimping. They are forcing themselves to be together and yet alone for 77 years, unwilling to actually uncover their trauma until Daniel. They sit and stew in that resentment, while Armand has to suffer in silence about his own abuse, forced to be needled with it again and again by people he cares about when it's convenient. And yet the show had to sandwich that between a double standard of violence inflicted on him and Regina for the fifth time in the series.
Having the two of them actually grapple with that would’ve been so interesting if they hadn’t had to do the whole "he must break him to learn," thing. Louis is not an animal that needs to be trained, and I hate the fact that the show's finale and After Dark want to pretend like he is.
Imperfect victims do not need to learn a lesson from their abuse, and the idea that abuse can be karmic justice or a lesson for ANYTHING is already blowing my mind in many ways.
you know "where does the bullshit start, armand, amadeo, arun" should have been a warning sign
“Thank you for loving him. For loving him the way he needs to be loved” HE PHYSICALLY ABUSED LOUIS AND OPENLY ADMITTED TO TRYING TO PUNISH LOUIS VIA CHEATING AND THEN PARTICIPATED IN HIS LYNCHING