Genually I wish people would stop drawing Sigyn as anything other than just white. I don’t understand why you want to draw a Nordic goddess of all things yet also want to erase our pantheons race and ethnicity. Like what do you get form it??? It is important to who they are. Like I should not have to say please but please stop participating in this erasure of culture or slapping it onto something that’s clearly your personal misrepresentation of our gods.
Wanting diversity is not a crime but your not being non racist, your being insensitive and culturally appropriate.
Personally, I see a lot of value in different interpretations of Sigyn and the diversity that comes from them. It’s genuinely exciting to see how people connect with her story through their own lenses. Especially when we’re talking about Marvel and comics, there’s already a ton of flexibility in design and interpretation.
There’s also no shortage of white, blonde Sigyns out there. Fanart is interpretation, not doctrine. Marvel does it. Writers do it. Artists do it. And especially in marvel’s case, which is where a lot of these arts come from to my knowledge, mythology is just the starting point. They’ve already changed core elements: Thor and Loki are brothers, Asgard is a sci-fi space realm, etc. So what we’re doing isn’t “misrepresentation”, it’s just a different one.
OOOWEEEE LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU'RE WRONG skuve!
-It's perfectly appropriate to represent many races in norse mythology and in modern media dealing with it.
-It's not insensitive or offensive in any way to Norse/ Scandinavian/ Germanic culture.
-Oðinn was mixed race, and so is Thor, Frigga, Freyja, Baldr, Freyr, Hoðr, Njorðr, Loki, Skadi... etc.
-Some gods are explicitly described as being "fair" and in the context meant "extremely pale", and if that is a differentiating characteristic of the gods and goddesses, then that implies there are varying levels of melanin within the pantheon
-Many jötnar are described as being black, Hel is half-black, the dökkalfar are literally said to be "as dark as pitch"
Norse mythology is already incredibly diverse, there are 9 worlds. You're the one being insensitive and culturally inappropriate skuve
Im sick and mf tide of these nazi fucksticks trying to twist my culture around... our culture because we welcome all, read the Havamal again
- That is an idea sold by Western entertainment industry, It’s something made by westerners for westerners. a lot of times foreign productions, looove to not hire Nordic people to play Nordic characters or represent our own culture. which shouldn’t be something to celebrate.
Also Willfully ignoring me.
- this is entirely made up…like completely? Or an accidental misunderstanding of one’s own interpretation. if your talking about some ásir being mixed with jötun , that’s not mixed race, that’s mixed species. There’s no different races in our mythologies? Also any nordic or scandi would know those names aren’t all spelled right.
- Being complemented for being extremely pale is an old white centrist beauty standard. We come in different shades too? Why purposefully ignore this? We even come In pink and orange apparently lol.
- This is where I totally understand where the misconception is coming from. Dökkálfar/ Myrkvaálfar. Referencing to their nature being something negative or unkind. That is the original Nordic meaning of “myrkva or dökk” — even magic is referred to in this way. “ Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion - for they live in the ground where they’re covered in liquid hydrocarbon, an organic compound that forms oil. It’s not referencing them being from a different race at all.
Because describing race by color was coined between the 16th and 17th century. The pros Edda’s were written in the 13th century…
- I am not. Because out of the different mythologies from all around the world that I’m a fan of, I would never feel entitled enough to self insert my identity into something I have no background in. I don’t need to see myself in every other culture that is not mine. No one needs to or should.
- yes, that did happen. But It’s a slippery slope even trying to state how much of the interactions were trade and what were raids and theft on other countries. Let’s not act like taking a wife was done with sunshine and rainbows now.
- Do not compare me to the other people that love to culturally appropriate us and attack vulnerable minorities with unnecessary hate and unjust violence.
Theres so many inaccuracies and hypocritical statements in this response but i'm not going to let you backtrack your racism so here we go bucko:
Someone playing a Nordic character isn't erasing anything there, fragile lil snowflake. That's still representation. Tell me you were mad at Ragnar being played by an Aussie, i'll fuckin laugh at you.
I was born in Sweden. I'm half Nordic, I wasn't trying to spell out each umlaut correctly I do not have time for your dumbass. So mixed species from different realms means they were all white Nordic people? You're fucking stupid. I brought up the "fair" thing being a beauty standard. If they could be fair, that means they could be dark as well, you dumb shit. Not mixed race? Mixed species isn't mixed race? As in the "human race" obviously.
""Svartir sem bik (jarðbik)” meaning“ as dark as pitch” is a reference to their complexion"" yeah exactly you stupid bastard. How is that not describing their skin color? There are black elves. In Nordic culture. From a different species, or "race" of beings. From a different realm. Immigrants if you will. Because there are 9 different worlds and obviously they will look different.
You only want to see Sigyn as white because you are racist. It isn't about you not wanting to see yourself in other cultures. You only want to see Sigyn as white because you're a coward ass nazi that thought norse mythology was all about Odin and Thor committing genocide and raping women. You could've just said nothing and not made a fool of yourself. You haven't brought up a single piece of evidence that shows our culture was strictly white because it never was. You're entitled enough to be a racist piece of shit.
No it's really not a slippery slope. There is abundance archeological and anthropological evidence of vikingr and later rus settling peacefully all along the volga river leading down to the silk road. Some vikingr served sultans and kings as bodyguards. There were raids and violence of course, but many of the more violent raiders were actually niðing and banished from Norse society entirely.
I'll stop calling you a piece of shit nazi when you stop saying Sigyn should have "white" skin. That's unnecessary. Your mentality is the cause of the unjust violence. If you truly care about cultural appropriation and minorities, you'll be going at the nazis for trying to steal the Sowilo rune, or the Algiz rune. Or the solar cross. Pick any other fucking hill to die on idiot
No one’s who’s right would ever be so aggressive 🙂
says the white fucking "supremacist" who's actively trying to uphold the "white supremacy" and "keep their culture pure". You fucking nazi.
Accept my challenge to holmgang or you're a niðing according to our culture and you should be banished
Why is it always the crazy’s that come my way
because you say stupid racist shit. Talk shit get hit its a simple equation ask Charlie Kirk
You also say violent racist shit. And Charlie got what he deserved.
Im not shivering my timbers over someone that’s clearly not well in the head.
